Why does Bioware get a free pass? Fable III doesn't?

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

I always forget the DLC and consider what i pay for initially to be the game that i get.
Cause that's how it really is.
Dragon Age is a brilliant game without the DLC i heard, so the game itself is not a rip-off.

However, dear developers: If You use DLC, then create AND implement the DLC with respect for Your game, and don't make it something that improves how the game works. (In this case the inventory space is an example imo.)

It's still despicable how marketing and ecognomes are increasingly getting their hold on gaming... AND GAMERS. I see more and more activision schemes appearing.
On this forum there are some of the most hardcore people and what You read on here sometimes, about people defending these practises, is unbelievable.
I certainly by no means give Bioware a free pass.
This goes for all companies.
DLC can be great, can be done right.
It can also mislead and detract.

InsaneBasura

I completely agree. It's just absolutely baffling how there are people willing to stand up for publishers' right to screw them over. I just don't ****ing understand it.

A grain of sand sinks the same as a stone. So, bend over and take it. What about when the game makes you pay of a major plot point? Or god forbid an ending. It's the little things that show someones honesty. We can all handle the big stuff, easy. It's the little things.

Bioware was a great company that used to talk about the art form of games. It would be like listening to a song but you have to pay more to hear all the notes.

Kiyobear

Wow, that is what Warden's Keep is? I thought it was just a place to collect new weapons...hmm, I have already had to destroy 20 items in my inventory due to lack of space, I need to find a better backpack because I am never going to pay more than $1 for Warden's Keep.

Wow, that is what Warden's Keep is? I thought it was just a place to collect new weapons...hmm, I have already had to destroy 20 items in my inventory due to lack of space, I need to find a better backpack because I am never going to pay more than $1 for Warden's Keep.

Kahuna_1

No that's not what warden's keep is.. it actually has a story behind it.....

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Wow, that is what Warden's Keep is? I thought it was just a place to collect new weapons...hmm, I have already had to destroy 20 items in my inventory due to lack of space, I need to find a better backpack because I am never going to pay more than $1 for Warden's Keep.

Espada12

No that's not what warden's keep is.. it actually has a story behind it.....

Well I know about Soldier's Peak(is that what it is called?) that is why I wanted to go, I wanted to look for new weapons.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Just get the free stuff and ignore the pay stuff. It's not shady to want to make more money off their game. Their is a crapload of content in the game already. The real fact of the matter is that people don't appreciate anything anymore. They expect everything to be free and if it isn't, they are getting ripped of. It's dumb beyond words.

They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up. You don't automatically have the rights for every piece of content that was made for the game. People really need to get over it. What 40-60 hours of gameplay isn't enough for you?

Kiyobear

Storage space, STORAGE, was cut from the game. You think making people pay for storage space in an RPG is legit? You think leaving that quest arrow over a dudes head in your camp is legit? They know many gamers complete every last little thing.

But again, FREAKING STORAGE SPACE!

Welcome to life 101, nothing you said is new in video gaming or in life.

Don't expect to get every dime for your buck on everything you pay for in life whether it's a game or a cheese burger and fries that was under cooked.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]That's weird, because I HAVEN'T BOUGHT ANYTHING BUT THE GAME.

I ask again, Have you played the game or are you just into complaining about something you can just ignore?

And I repeat you can upgrade your inventory with backpacks that you find ingame. It's to bad you choose to ignore that because it just makes your "argument" invalid.

"Oh, poor me, somebody tried to charge me for something and I didn't like it. Why should I ignore it when I can draw attention to myself on a message board?"

Like I said, spare me.verbalfilth

Calm down there. I own the game and I haven't bought the DLC either...but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to be pissed at the choices made to make a profit.

We all know you can increase your character's load equip, but the problem is that it gradually adds up as you find equipment you don't want to get rid off but can't use...which will eventually force you to get rid of things before you even get the chance to use them..

A storage chest where you can store items is a no-brainer in any good rpg .It provides you with a place to store all of your valuable items and come back later when you've leveled up enough to use them.

If you don't fork that $7 you're basically denied that new campsite with a storage chest which forces you to sacrifice big time...

Just look at recent RPG games:

Oblivion allowed you to store items in chests (in your houses)

Same thing applies for Fallout

Demon's Souls (which has significantly less items than DA:O) has Stockpile Thomas who holds items for you

and so on and so forth...

I think you can understand why people find this omition annoying.

That's all I've been trying to say.Sometimes I may not convey what I mean successfully and I apologize. I am not defending the decision as people mistakenly assume, I just feel that not giving them your money conveys a far more effective message than crying on a message board.

Bunch of Bioware fanboys here is why. But there are some that recognize the shadiness.

Chutebox

Im a BioWare "Fanboy" and I could care less... show me the bioware game that doesnt warrent a 60 dollar day one purchase and Ill start complaining. deal?

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]That's weird, because I HAVEN'T BOUGHT ANYTHING BUT THE GAME.

I ask again, Have you played the game or are you just into complaining about something you can just ignore?

And I repeat you can upgrade your inventory with backpacks that you find ingame. It's to bad you choose to ignore that because it just makes your "argument" invalid.

"Oh, poor me, somebody tried to charge me for something and I didn't like it. Why should I ignore it when I can draw attention to myself on a message board?"

Like I said, spare me.heretrix

Calm down there. I own the game and I haven't bought the DLC either...but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to be pissed at the choices made to make a profit.

We all know you can increase your character's load equip, but the problem is that it gradually adds up as you find equipment you don't want to get rid off but can't use...which will eventually force you to get rid of things before you even get the chance to use them..

A storage chest where you can store items is a no-brainer in any good rpg .It provides you with a place to store all of your valuable items and come back later when you've leveled up enough to use them.

If you don't fork that $7 you're basically denied that new campsite with a storage chest which forces you to sacrifice big time...

Just look at recent RPG games:

Oblivion allowed you to store items in chests (in your houses)

Same thing applies for Fallout

Demon's Souls (which has significantly less items than DA:O) has Stockpile Thomas who holds items for you

and so on and so forth...

I think you can understand why people find this omition annoying.

That's all I've been trying to say.Sometimes I may not convey what I mean successfully and I apologize. I am not defending the decision as people mistakenly assume, I just feel that not giving them your money conveys a far more effective message than crying on a message board.

This is truth, but I wish the TC wouldn't have made it sound like you can't increase your storage space in-game without buying anything and also the fact that warden's keep is a decent side story.. I am on my second play-through (yes I stopped my life for this game :lol: ) you get way more than 60 hours out of this game, the ending alone will want you to play the game many many times, which I am going to do. This game is worth more than the 50US I payed for considering I've payed more for worse and shorter games, I don't mind shelling the 7 bucks for warden's keep and I don't understand why games can't differentiate good DLC from crap DLC, it's as though in their minds.. all DLC is crap, which isn't true.

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]That's weird, because I HAVEN'T BOUGHT ANYTHING BUT THE GAME.

I ask again, Have you played the game or are you just into complaining about something you can just ignore?

And I repeat you can upgrade your inventory with backpacks that you find ingame. It's to bad you choose to ignore that because it just makes your "argument" invalid.

"Oh, poor me, somebody tried to charge me for something and I didn't like it. Why should I ignore it when I can draw attention to myself on a message board?"

Like I said, spare me.heretrix

Calm down there. I own the game and I haven't bought the DLC either...but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to be pissed at the choices made to make a profit.

We all know you can increase your character's load equip, but the problem is that it gradually adds up as you find equipment you don't want to get rid off but can't use...which will eventually force you to get rid of things before you even get the chance to use them..

A storage chest where you can store items is a no-brainer in any good rpg .It provides you with a place to store all of your valuable items and come back later when you've leveled up enough to use them.

If you don't fork that $7 you're basically denied that new campsite with a storage chest which forces you to sacrifice big time...

Just look at recent RPG games:

Oblivion allowed you to store items in chests (in your houses)

Same thing applies for Fallout

Demon's Souls (which has significantly less items than DA:O) has Stockpile Thomas who holds items for you

and so on and so forth...

I think you can understand why people find this omition annoying.

That's all I've been trying to say.Sometimes I may not convey what I mean successfully and I apologize. I am not defending the decision as people mistakenly assume, I just feel that not giving them your money conveys a far more effective message than crying on a message board.

If you don't see this for what it is nobody can draw you a map. Lay down and take it. I don't want salesman in my games and basic features being cut and called premium content.

I can't believe some people will sucker up to this and look the other way. Apathy gets us no place and this is the perfect board to complain on. A well traveled board populated by gamers? Hell, yeah. If you want to start people thinking about DA and it's DLC this is a perfect place to do it. Clrealy Bioware can lie right to your face and you can't see the forest for the trees. They don't care if people complain when they lie and get away with it.

Take it the people, take it to the gamers.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]

Calm down there. I own the game and I haven't bought the DLC either...but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to be pissed at the choices made to make a profit.

We all know you can increase your character's load equip, but the problem is that it gradually adds up as you find equipment you don't want to get rid off but can't use...which will eventually force you to get rid of things before you even get the chance to use them..

A storage chest where you can store items is a no-brainer in any good rpg .It provides you with a place to store all of your valuable items and come back later when you've leveled up enough to use them.

If you don't fork that $7 you're basically denied that new campsite with a storage chest which forces you to sacrifice big time...

Just look at recent RPG games:

Oblivion allowed you to store items in chests (in your houses)

Same thing applies for Fallout

Demon's Souls (which has significantly less items than DA:O) has Stockpile Thomas who holds items for you

and so on and so forth...

I think you can understand why people find this omition annoying.

Espada12

That's all I've been trying to say.Sometimes I may not convey what I mean successfully and I apologize. I am not defending the decision as people mistakenly assume, I just feel that not giving them your money conveys a far more effective message than crying on a message board.

This is truth, but I wish the TC wouldn't have made it sound like you can't increase your storage space in-game without buying anything and also the fact that warden's keep is a decent side story.. I am on my second play-through (yes I stopped my life for this game :lol: ) you get way more than 60 hours out of this game, the ending alone will want you to play the game many many times, which I am going to do. This game is worth more than the 50US I payed for considering I've payed more for worse and shorter games, I don't mind shelling the 7 bucks for warden's keep and I don't understand why games can't differentiate good DLC from crap DLC, it's as though in their minds.. all DLC is crap, which isn't true.

I got a bag, it inrcreased my storage by 10. I still either do not loot or destroy stuff on a need most basis. Don't let them fool you, it's pure milkage complete with a saleman in your game. To download the content is a dialog option.

You are really going to stand behind something as basic as storage space delivered as DLC? Well, it worked, you payed more for the full game.

I got a back, it inrcreased my storage by 10. I still either do not loot or destroy stuff on a need most basis. Don't let them fool you, it's pure milkage complete with a saleman in your game. To download the content is a dialog option.

Kiyobear

I know that.. but they inform you of this before hand.. it's the same with stone prisoner even though retail copies get that one free.

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

I got a back, it inrcreased my storage by 10. I still either do not loot or destroy stuff on a need most basis. Don't let them fool you, it's pure milkage complete with a saleman in your game. To download the content is a dialog option.

Espada12

I know that.. but they inform you of this before hand.. it's the same with stone prisoner even though retail copies get that one free.

I hate this idea that because something like this can be done means it should be done. Are we all not sick of advertizing? Companies being unethical? Yeah, it's a grain of sand; but like I said, a grain of sand sinks like a stone.

I see a bunch of people with Axe body spray and Halo soda watching and absorbing ever little add they see thinking this kind of thing is legit.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

I got a back, it inrcreased my storage by 10. I still either do not loot or destroy stuff on a need most basis. Don't let them fool you, it's pure milkage complete with a saleman in your game. To download the content is a dialog option.

Kiyobear

I know that.. but they inform you of this before hand.. it's the same with stone prisoner even though retail copies get that one free.

I hate this idea that because something like this can be done means it should be done. Are we all not sick of advertizing? Companies being unethical? Yeah, it's a grain of sand; but like I said, a grain of sand sinks like a stone.

I see a bunch of people with Axe body spray and Halo soda watching and absorbing ever little add they see thinking this kind of thing is legit.

You should go to the Bioware forums and raise hell if it bothers you so much. If you aren't willing to do that then this dog and pony show is a waste of time.That's not to say that it shouldn't be discussed here, but they way you are going about it is wrong.You don't seem to want to discuss it, you just want to throw around a bunch of accusations. Everyone is wrong or supporting this kind of DLC if they don't agree with you.

Borderlands only gives you 42 slots with no storage choice at all.It's annoying but not the end of the world. I've somehow found a way to enjoy the game anyway.If they added storage for a cost I'd tell Randy Pitchford to kiss my ass by not buying it.And I'm doing the same to Bioware.

I saw a thread on this forum talking about future DLC plans for Fable; it sparked many pages of outraged gamers saying they will never stand for this.

Well, Bioware not only does it, they set you up for it.

1) Limit players bag space and give them free DLC armor they have to carry because you need to be higher level to use it.

2)make the DLC content you need to buy offer up a storage option.

3)place the quest marker for the DLC Over the guys head, in your camp, and include the dialog option to DL additional content.

It has two new abilities and a dungeon. Does anyone believe this was not stuff cut from the game?

The gamers on this board get all high and mighty but if Blizzard or Boiware do anything like this they pretend it doesn't exist and bite the pillow. How can gamers totally ignore it like Bioware and EA are not doing this?

I absolutely stand by this. A game is a product, nothing more. You have the right to buy it or not.How a company decides to sell it is up to them. I believe this to the core, as I often excersise my right to buy or not to buy. I don't see a problem. MW2? I don't like Activision or what they are doing with the product, so I'm not buying it. I really don't need to sing a sad song about it. I don't have a problem with people complaining as I do with the way people complain. It's as if someone is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to make a life changing decision. It's a goddamn game.

heretrix

Judging by your more recent posts you actually seem to not stand by those foolish remarks. But still, complaining about people complaining for completely justified reasons is counter-intuitive to your own interests as well. You say we should complain at the Bioware forums instead. How would that be preferable? They're not interested in our words, they're interested in our money. What does help is making people aware so that they may also vote with their wallet.

You are exactly the problem that I'm talking about. Instead of making good points as to why this is a bad practice as others have done (and I to apoint agree with) you decide to go overboard with a bunch of ridiculous nonsense. You seem to like the "squeaky wheel" approach. I like to "vote with my money" I get far more satisfaction that way.

heretrix

And I don't think he's actually planning on buying the DLC either.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Just get the free stuff and ignore the pay stuff. It's not shady to want to make more money off their game. Their is a crapload of content in the game already. The real fact of the matter is that people don't appreciate anything anymore. They expect everything to be free and if it isn't, they are getting ripped of. It's dumb beyond words.

They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up. You don't automatically have the rights for every piece of content that was made for the game. People really need to get over it. What 40-60 hours of gameplay isn't enough for you?

Kiyobear

Storage space, STORAGE, was cut from the game. You think making people pay for storage space in an RPG is legit? You think leaving that quest arrow over a dudes head in your camp is legit? They know many gamers complete every last little thing.

But again, FREAKING STORAGE SPACE!

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I know that.. but they inform you of this before hand.. it's the same with stone prisoner even though retail copies get that one free.

heretrix

I hate this idea that because something like this can be done means it should be done. Are we all not sick of advertizing? Companies being unethical? Yeah, it's a grain of sand; but like I said, a grain of sand sinks like a stone.

I see a bunch of people with Axe body spray and Halo soda watching and absorbing ever little add they see thinking this kind of thing is legit.

You should go to the Bioware forums and raise hell if it bothers you so much. If you aren't willing to do that then this dog and pony show is a waste of time.That's not to say that it shouldn't be discussed here, but they way you are going about it is wrong.You don't seem to want to discuss it, you just want to throw around a bunch of accusations. Everyone is wrong or supporting this kind of DLC if they don't agree with you.

Borderlands only gives you 42 slots with no storage choice at all.It's annoying but not the end of the world. I've somehow found a way to enjoy the game anyway.If they added storage for a cost I'd tell Randy Pitchford to kiss my ass by not buying it.And I'm doing the same to Bioware.

For every one person who bends over another 100 need to step up and it just never happens with gamers. Even if you don't care as you say you do the fact that you choose to show solidarity with this practice and not speak out against it, which would pain you nothing to do so, sucks.

Yeah, I am saying you're wrong. From where I sit you just don't want to use your spine. What they hell is wrong with anger, anyway? Anger gets a bad rap. Hell yes I am going to cry about it; hell yes I am going to cry about it here; hell yes people who are not playing this game should know whats going and hell yes I think you should step up to the plate and not hope for a walk.

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Just get the free stuff and ignore the pay stuff. It's not shady to want to make more money off their game. Their is a crapload of content in the game already. The real fact of the matter is that people don't appreciate anything anymore. They expect everything to be free and if it isn't, they are getting ripped of. It's dumb beyond words.

They don't owe you any extra content and claiming that it was cut from is just silly when you have no proof to back it up. You don't automatically have the rights for every piece of content that was made for the game. People really need to get over it. What 40-60 hours of gameplay isn't enough for you?

jigglebilly1983

Storage space, STORAGE, was cut from the game. You think making people pay for storage space in an RPG is legit? You think leaving that quest arrow over a dudes head in your camp is legit? They know many gamers complete every last little thing.

But again, FREAKING STORAGE SPACE!

Does your inventory still have a cap? Yes. With storage you know it would be a big help in game and you know it should be a standard feature. Good lord, I wondered how they could get away with this and now I know. Many people are prue grade A suckers or are content to sit on their hands and keep silent.

Plus, try reading the thread, this was already addressed.

[QUOTE="jigglebilly1983"][QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

Storage space, STORAGE, was cut from the game. You think making people pay for storage space in an RPG is legit? You think leaving that quest arrow over a dudes head in your camp is legit? They know many gamers complete every last little thing.

But again, FREAKING STORAGE SPACE!

Kiyobear

Does your inventory still have a cap? Yes. With storage you know it would be a big help in game and you know it should be a standard feature. Good lord, I wondered how they could get away with this and now I know. Many people are prue grade A suckers or are content to sit on their hands and keep silent.

One thing I am happy about is the addition to DLC if you buy it new! ($15 if you buy it used you need to pay for DLC) I hate the used game market. It is worst then piracy. At least most pirates don't make money off of jiping the dev of money! Piracy = illegal so should buying used.

I hope other devs add in some premium for buying games new.

would you like to super size your extra value meal? it'll cost ya.

One thing I am happy about is the addition to DLC if you buy it new! ($15 if you buy it used you need to pay for DLC) I hate the used game market. It is worst then piracy. At least most pirates don't make money off of jiping the dev of money! Piracy = illegal so should buying used.

I hope other devs add in some premium for buying games new.

145ty

One thing I am happy about is the addition to DLC if you buy it new! ($15 if you buy it used you need to pay for DLC) I hate the used game market. It is worst then piracy. At least most pirates don't make money off of jiping the dev of money! Piracy = illegal so should buying used.

I hope other devs add in some premium for buying games new.

145ty

You do not get the Wardens Keep with the console premium edition, you still need to buy it. Used gaming is not worse then piracy, that's totally absurd. Those games at one point were purchased new. They become the property of the person who made the purchase and they can go back and sell them if the want.

You almost seem like a developer. Really, what is it with companies wanting people to pay them to rent their product and not buy it?

[QUOTE="145ty"]

One thing I am happy about is the addition to DLC if you buy it new! ($15 if you buy it used you need to pay for DLC) I hate the used game market. It is worst then piracy. At least most pirates don't make money off of jiping the dev of money! Piracy = illegal so should buying used.

I hope other devs add in some premium for buying games new.

jigglebilly1983

Get a clue. They cut content out and made the player pay for extra for the complete game. You know, I ignored this for a long time, too. It finally got me. Mark my words there will be a day not too far off when it's gonna hit you as well. Then, like me, you will wish you had taken notice and stood up earlier.

This is absurd and I can't believe you will lay down for it.

would you like to super size your extra value meal? it'll cost ya.

CaseyWegner

[QUOTE="145ty"]

One thing I am happy about is the addition to DLC if you buy it new! ($15 if you buy it used you need to pay for DLC) I hate the used game market. It is worst then piracy. At least most pirates don't make money off of jiping the dev of money! Piracy = illegal so should buying used.

I hope other devs add in some premium for buying games new.

Kiyobear

You do notget the Wardens Keep with the console premium edition, you still need to buy it. Used gaming is not worse then piracy, that's totally absurd. Those gamesat one point were purchased new. They become the property of the person who made the purchase and they can go back and sell them if the want.

You almost seem like a developer. Really, what is it with companies wanting people to pay them to rent their product and not buy it?

[QUOTE="jigglebilly1983"][QUOTE="145ty"]

One thing I am happy about is the addition to DLC if you buy it new! ($15 if you buy it used you need to pay for DLC) I hate the used game market. It is worst then piracy. At least most pirates don't make money off of jiping the dev of money! Piracy = illegal so should buying used.

I hope other devs add in some premium for buying games new.

Kiyobear

Get a clue. They cut content out and made the player pay for extra for the complete game. You know, I ignored this for a long time, too. It finally got me. Mark my words there will be a day not too far off when it's gonna hit you as well. Then, like me, you will wish you had taken notice and stood up earlier.

This is absurd and I can't believe you will lay down for it.

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

[QUOTE="145ty"]

One thing I am happy about is the addition to DLC if you buy it new! ($15 if you buy it used you need to pay for DLC) I hate the used game market. It is worst then piracy. At least most pirates don't make money off of jiping the dev of money! Piracy = illegal so should buying used.

I hope other devs add in some premium for buying games new.

jigglebilly1983

You do notget the Wardens Keep with the console premium edition, you still need to buy it. Used gaming is not worse then piracy, that's totally absurd. Those gamesat one point were purchased new. They become the property of the person who made the purchase and they can go back and sell them if the want.

You almost seem like a developer. Really, what is it with companies wanting people to pay them to rent their product and not buy it?

That is all true but how does that change my right to do what I want with what I buy? Yeah, they will get fewer sales, but you can't change personal property rights because of it.

This DLC thing will get you, I am posative. This should have been in the final game or a last minute patch.

What I like are the people who come in and say "shut up and don't buy it then" yet they feel the need to come in here and tell me that. You know, same thing, I feel the need to speak out (loudly) against this.

It would be like reading a book and you come to a page that says "please add funds to your wallet yo read this page"

The NPC salesman you can't get rid of is just low class, period.

[QUOTE="145ty"]

One thing I am happy about is the addition to DLC if you buy it new! ($15 if you buy it used you need to pay for DLC) I hate the used game market. It is worst then piracy. At least most pirates don't make money off of jiping the dev of money! Piracy = illegal so should buying used.

I hope other devs add in some premium for buying games new.

jigglebilly1983

Don't tell me you just up and gulped down that kool-aid? The download code exists purely to stifle the used games market and has got nothing to do with giving you anything free of charge.

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

[QUOTE="jigglebilly1983"] me too, bioware went out of there way to give you the most expensive expansion for FREE, and people are whining about having to pay 7 bucks for wardens keep. next thing you know they are going to say that Bioware discriminates against the Poor. jigglebilly1983

Get a clue. They cut content out and made the player pay for extra for the complete game. You know, I ignored this for a long time, too. It finally got me. Mark my words there will be a day not too far off when it's gonna hit you as well. Then, like me, you will wish you had taken notice and stood up earlier.

This is absurd and I can't believe you will lay down for it.

Come on! Do you need to be knocked up side the head to see the truth? It's pure manipulation and a stuit in your game, directly in your game, trying to sale you something. It's so obvious that's the worst part. If they were honest it would be better.

Again, that's great you have not had inventory trouble, I have, even after purchasing bags. It's an RPG, RPG's feature loot as a major part of the game; any RPG. They know this, they give you free armor you can't use until later; they place the NPC and quest arrow right in the spot you will frequent most; it's pure manipulation and it's plain as day.

Wow, didn't realize there was no place to dump your rampant loot. Good thing I bought the deluxe edition, eh?mbrockway

Yeah, for the PC. That should be called the "Complete Game Edition"

I have no problem with premium content, as long as it's premium. Storage space does not premium content make.

Also, take your saleman out of the game Bioware.

I just have that quest hanging around and well, the imersion of being in a fantasy wrold was killed when the quest giver asked me to bust out my wallet in real life. I am playing a marketing scheme, not a fantasy game.