Why does FPS continue to be the most popular genre?

@TigerSuperman said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

FPS genre is great but almost no one took advantage of it last gen post 2007. It is just yearly rehashes of Modern Military Shooters that are super famous not high skill based one, if they even exist in the first place in this day and age (except few old timers from Valve). And they are famous because they are targeted for lowest common denominator.

Actually for quite a few years after 2007 we had quite a few FPS outside of military shooters, and some unique atempts as well. it was the end of 2010 during the holiday season did we see those games kind of become more and more limited.

That's true but those FPS were overshadowed by Military Shooters. That's why I said "Almost no one" instead of "No one". There were non military FPS but most of them were suffering from Cinematic syndrome and chasing COD money.

Yep I can't use steam anywhere else but PC, but yet it's not it's own Platform.

It's a part of PC gaming, it is not PC gaming. I'm not bending any rules at all, its the same stupid argument people do with Android game platform and different phone manufactureres. No rules are bent, they have their own library, and it's separate. It's so very very simple. It's valves own platform that is used to distribute games on hardware. But again by have fun, keep believing what even valve themself said, ignore that steam is not just on PC and ignore steam machines, and have fun with yourself.

You're delusional if you ask me, thread is moving without you bye.

@Cloud_imperium said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

FPS genre is great but almost no one took advantage of it last gen post 2007. It is just yearly rehashes of Modern Military Shooters that are super famous not high skill based one, if they even exist in the first place in this day and age (except few old timers from Valve). And they are famous because they are targeted for lowest common denominator.

Actually for quite a few years after 2007 we had quite a few FPS outside of military shooters, and some unique atempts as well. it was the end of 2010 during the holiday season did we see those games kind of become more and more limited.

That's true but those FPS were overshadowed by Military Shooters. That's why I said "Almost no one" instead of "No one". There were non military FPS but most of them were suffering from Cinematic syndrome and chasing COD money.

Post 2007 were amazing. even 2007 was great year for FPS. then things going downhill because of picture above.

but in future we are getting PC centric shooters once again more like UT, Doom, Overwatch, Shadow warrior 2, next 4A game, and if it count then next deus ex as well.

but why is that a good measure of popularity?

... you would have a point if android phones couldn't all run play store, or install apps without playstore ... or be rooted to run every store.

PC's on the other hand... don't need workarounds.

What is a Steam Machine? Oh right... its a PC pre-loaded with an operating system... that you can freely change to Windows, or boot as many as you like. It's a friggin rebranded media centre PC with gaming class hardware.

Ofcourse, if your stupid enough to think that simply rebranding of devices here counts, then your on the wrong forum and your s*itty dellusional rules will never be accepted.

I think you meant "Pre/before 2007" . But yeah, that's true... There were some good FPS games (not many) but mostly those were overlooked. 2007 was a great year,,, Portal, Half Life 2 Ep 2, Crysis, STALKER etc.

Because the more game releases a genre has the more it concludes devs see value in the genre, and it also shows people keep buying them, so by having 65 FPS games which is more than double the runner up, that means FPS is the most popular, most brought, and a genre of developers choice. Devs thinking FPS is a safe bet outside of other genres pretty much speaks for itself.

Another example of the reverse, Sports games, we would have more, but sports games that are "arcade like" that we used ot have i big number before, barely exist now, because there's no demand for them, devs aren't interested in pursuing them, people aren't buying them.

For another example, an individual MOBA may have just made more money than 3 FPS made by devs, and together those shooters sold 2 million. However if you're a dev and you want to make money, or want to try and get into the gaming/console/whatever market, most likely you'll go with an FPS if you had a decision that came down to making an FPS or MOBA. The risk reward system is in FPS favor.

@ghosts4ever said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

FPS genre is great but almost no one took advantage of it last gen post 2007. It is just yearly rehashes of Modern Military Shooters that are super famous not high skill based one, if they even exist in the first place in this day and age (except few old timers from Valve). And they are famous because they are targeted for lowest common denominator.

Actually for quite a few years after 2007 we had quite a few FPS outside of military shooters, and some unique atempts as well. it was the end of 2010 during the holiday season did we see those games kind of become more and more limited.

That's true but those FPS were overshadowed by Military Shooters. That's why I said "Almost no one" instead of "No one". There were non military FPS but most of them were suffering from Cinematic syndrome and chasing COD money.

Post 2007 were amazing. even 2007 was great year for FPS. then things going downhill because of picture above.

but in future we are getting PC centric shooters once again more like UT, Doom, Overwatch, Shadow warrior 2, next 4A game, and if it count then next deus ex as well.

What is "PC centric" since the Xbox came out in 2001?

doesn't the sports game thing have partly to do with exclusive licensing?

No, that just means that there are more FPS games. You'd have to actually come up with more data to prove those other claims

I mean if there are 65 FPS games with only 20 million players, while there are only say 5 MOBAs with 100 Million players (i made these numbers up). Are you really going to say that FPS games are more popular? And do we take into consideration like twitch viewership in terms of popularity? or E-sports participation?

• They are accessible in that they rarely require you to learn deep gameplay mechanics
• Instant satisfaction by focusing on shooting over slower paced puzzle-solving, exploration-based gameplay.
• Linear, guided gameplay that guarantees you will never get stuck bc you dont know where to go or what to do.
• Standardized controls and/or gameplay. If you play one of these games, you already understand the basics of almost the entire genre.
• They appeal to the macho/badass lifestyle most of its demographic want to be related to
• Online MP FPS shooting with instant respawn. Perfect for short attention span entertainment

my mistake.

i meant pre 2007

1. No, even EA doesn't put out those games.

2. Negative, it has been the same for many years. FPS having a larger number, and devs have come out with tons of good selling FPS games. How many times have you heard about an FPS selling well? A lot. How many times have you heard multiple racing games selling well? uhhhhhhhhh. Ad of course, devs keep putting these games out for the LAST ALMOST 2 Decades, because they sell. If only meant more FPS games by itself, why are people still making them? that doesn't add up, you can't have more FPS games in such large numbers without devs thinking its a good idea to pursue making an FPS game and that the market wants them.

3. You're using a broken version of popularity, ok say 65 FPS games only had 20 million, and 5 MOBAs had 100 million ok. So I ask you this, if that's the case, why are there only 5 MOBA's and 65 FPS games? Because it's the genre the market will get. A dev isn't just going to release an fps to release an FPS. We have a LARGE number of FPS games across multiple devs, there's clearly a reason for doing that, they think (devs) it's a good idea to pursue? Why? Money and marketshare.

You have 5 Mobas making 100 million, and the rest barely making over 500,000, and then have 65 FPS almost half of those selling over 500,000. Ad it usually doesn't cost that much to invest in? Why would you choose MOBA instead of FPS? It's the popular choice, it has a higher adoption rate, and a higher attach rate.

Well, that's a big part of it. :P

I'm not saying they're not popular. But rather why it is that the number of games is what determines overall popularity. Shouldn't it be measured by a number of stats including the number of players.

Maybe American gun-culture, game marketing and Hollywood's worldwide presence?

.or people just like first person perspective games and blowing things up.. something more primal from human genetics? IDK.

IDK if fps is actually the most pop game genre tho.

@Bruin1986 said:

@Legend002 said:

In America kids love shooting things. Also this.

And in Japan, adults love movies and cartoons and video games about raping 12-year olds.

Look, I can be grossly reductionist as well.

lol, Bruin1986, you're alright with me.

@Cloud_imperium said:

FPS genre is great but almost no one took advantage of it last gen post 2007. It is just yearly rehashes of Modern Military Shooters that are super famous not high skill based one, if they even exist in the first place in this day and age (except few old timers from Valve). And they are famous because they are targeted for lowest common denominator.

Looks like I'm not the only one who feels that 2007 was the last year of the good old days of fps. We had HL2:Episode 2 and Crysis but it was also the year that started the current shooters of today with Call Of Duty 4. Since then so many fps are a copy of Call Of Duty and they are very short with easy hand holding gameplay with boring linear shooting gallery style, and more focus on multiplayer then single player. The fact that some modern shooters that try not to be COD clones such as the reboot of Shadow Warrior games and Wolfenstein The New Order are known as modern "old school" shooters makes me feel sad since back then that word didn't exist. I really hope that the new Doom game brings back what an actual traditional fps use to be like.

@remiks00 said:

@Bruin1986 said:

@Legend002 said:

In America kids love shooting things. Also this.

And in Japan, adults love movies and cartoons and video games about raping 12-year olds.

Look, I can be grossly reductionist as well.

lol, Bruin1986, you're alright with me.

Cheers, mate :)

Guns are fucking cool, that's why. So is the military and space.

its the easiest genre to pick up and play....and it gives instant gratification online.

other single player games requires too much time

fighting games require too much skill.

not sure about racers.... too boring?

It's the fetishization of weaponry and guns too.

Because it is fun to blow up things and shoot people in the face, and also easy to get in to. Some people dont have time with 100-200hrs games like Witcher

Totally agree. I am also hoping for games like Shadow Warrior 2 and Doom to spark interest in Old School shooters.

It's not enough to just say "it's fun". You can derive some form of enjoyment out of almost any game in existence. We should at least come up with reasons and arguments to add to the discussion at hand. For example people like shooters because it's instant gratification.

Nothing wrong with enjoying FPS..

No brain required instant gratification with flashy lights and bangy noises. The perfect tonic for the ADHD generation.

I would be suprised if even a single person uses the term "Dudebros" for the reason you describe - and you'd have no way to know if they did.

Now I have read some pretty stupid posts on system wars, but never have I read something with such irony.

Because they're fun....at least in my opinion.

Even if that were the case, why is that bad?