Why does Mario and Zelda generally have the same storyline?

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"]

Fire Emblems usually have good stories.

Vandalvideo

Congratulations, you picked out the FE game with the worst storyline. Now lets ignore the fact that he said "most" and then lets ignore all the other FE games ever released.

Path of Radiance had an awesome story. Something that most reviewers also pointed out.

[QUOTE="Marth6781"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Disagree about Mass Effect. It was an entirely new universe with tons of backstory. You strike me as the type of person who would say that WoW has very little to no storyline.Just because its not shoved down your throat like a sunday morning cartoon doesn't mean its not there.Vandalvideo

I was talking about WoW, im sorry I come off as the type, but I dont think that mass effect's story>KOTOR.

Your generalizations wont work.

And? Either way KOTOR>mass effect, also KOTOR is before the starwars story line, meaning ALOT of the stuff that happens came from scrtach or they made up.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]To answer your question, a combination of extreme laziness and the fact that people are going to buy the game by the millions regardless.RurouniSaiyajin

Lol did you just call Nintendo lazy? Their games are the best in the industry. (Ya I know Blizzard, Valve etc. For me it's Nintendo!)

Even if their games are the best in the industry, how does this stop them from being lazy in an area of game development?

Because they aren't? If they were lazy how would they make such games.

And? Either way KOTOR>mass effect, also KOTOR is before the starwars story line, meaning ALOT of the stuff that happens came from scrtach or they made up.Marth6781

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]To answer your question, a combination of extreme laziness and the fact that people are going to buy the game by the millions regardless.RurouniSaiyajin

Lol did you just call Nintendo lazy? Their games are the best in the industry. (Ya I know Blizzard, Valve etc. For me it's Nintendo!)

Even if their games are the best in the industry, how does this stop them from being lazy in an area of game development?

Delaying games for years isnt lazy, polishing games isnt lazy, having the best games means you cant be lazy, what you're saying is an oxymoron.

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]To answer your question, a combination of extreme laziness and the fact that people are going to buy the game by the millions regardless.locopatho

Lol did you just call Nintendo lazy? Their games are the best in the industry. (Ya I know Blizzard, Valve etc. For me it's Nintendo!)

Even if their games are the best in the industry, how does this stop them from being lazy in an area of game development?

Because they aren't? If they were lazy how would they make such games.

By not being lazy in the other areas of development?

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]To answer your question, a combination of extreme laziness and the fact that people are going to buy the game by the millions regardless.RurouniSaiyajin

Lol did you just call Nintendo lazy? Their games are the best in the industry. (Ya I know Blizzard, Valve etc. For me it's Nintendo!)

Even if their games are the best in the industry, how does this stop them from being lazy in an area of game development?

Because they aren't? If they were lazy how would they make such games.

By not being lazy in the other areas of development?

They aren't lazy at all.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]To answer your question, a combination of extreme laziness and the fact that people are going to buy the game by the millions regardless.RurouniSaiyajin

Lol did you just call Nintendo lazy? Their games are the best in the industry. (Ya I know Blizzard, Valve etc. For me it's Nintendo!)

Even if their games are the best in the industry, how does this stop them from being lazy in an area of game development?

Because they aren't? If they were lazy how would they make such games.

By not being lazy in the other areas of development?

Makes sense. By not investing time in game development, they make great games.

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="APOLLOCJD"]

It pains me that this is true, but Nintendo does not care about storylines. They sacrifice "story depth" for "casual fun".

Compare Metroid 3 to Mass Effect.

Play both and you'll see how much Nintendo cares about storylines. Worst part is, Metroid 3 is the deepest Nintendo storyline there is.

APOLLOCJD

Actually nintendo does care about story lines, TP actually had a well written storyline, masseffects story fails compared to KOTOR.

Each zelda has different characters, but the same ganon, link, zelda becaue of the triforce.

KOTOR and Mass Effect are both made by Bioware, my point still stands.

If Zelda is Nintendo's best storyline, there is a problem.

Especially the back story of hyrule being flooded

Makes sense. By not investing time in game development, they make great games.

Can-o-Mark

Game Development much like all development in general has many components to it.

[QUOTE="Marth6781"]And? Either way KOTOR>mass effect, also KOTOR is before the starwars story line, meaning ALOT of the stuff that happens came from scrtach or they made up.Vandalvideo

When did I ever say mass effect doesn't have a deep story line?

All your doing is assuming, all I said was KOTOR>mass effect, yet somehow you come the fact that I think its story sucks.

Just stop.

[QUOTE="APOLLOCJD"][QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="APOLLOCJD"]

It pains me that this is true, but Nintendo does not care about storylines. They sacrifice "story depth" for "casual fun".

Compare Metroid 3 to Mass Effect.

Play both and you'll see how much Nintendo cares about storylines. Worst part is, Metroid 3 is the deepest Nintendo storyline there is.

Marth6781

Actually nintendo does care about story lines, TP actually had a well written storyline, masseffects story fails compared to KOTOR.

Each zelda has different characters, but the same ganon, link, zelda becaue of the triforce.

KOTOR and Mass Effect are both made by Bioware, my point still stands.

If Zelda is Nintendo's best storyline, there is a problem.

When did I ever say Zelda was the best story?

What about halo, thats microsofts, is that a problem, or maybe be kameo its first party. Stop being a fanoby, nintendo actually has franchises that are story heavy(baten kaitos), fire emblem, golden sun, advance wars, etc.

Delaying games for years isnt lazy, polishing games isnt lazy, having the best games means you cant be lazy, what you're saying is an oxymoron.

Marth6781

So the lack of laziness in other areas makes the laziness in one area non-existent?

When did I ever say mass effect doesn't have a deep story line?All your doing is assuming, all I said was KOTOR>mass effect, yet somehow you come the fact that I think its story sucks.Just stop.Marth6781

Why do you care? Better gameplay than almost any other games out there.SSCyborg

exactly, and that's the most important thing

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]I agree except its not generally same storyline it is EXACTLY the same storyline over and over and over and over and over again SMG, and Twilight princess we're the only ones that we're a lot more different then the originals then past versions. other then that its really the same Exact storyline over and over.Can-o-Mark

Yeah! Remember the parts in Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask in which Link talked to Zelda? If so, could you please point out where, because I must have missed that part.

When Link gets his Ocarina for the first time, doesn't he remember Zelda? (MM)

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="APOLLOCJD"][QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="APOLLOCJD"]

It pains me that this is true, but Nintendo does not care about storylines. They sacrifice "story depth" for "casual fun".

Compare Metroid 3 to Mass Effect.

Play both and you'll see how much Nintendo cares about storylines. Worst part is, Metroid 3 is the deepest Nintendo storyline there is.

jasonharris48

Actually nintendo does care about story lines, TP actually had a well written storyline, masseffects story fails compared to KOTOR.

Each zelda has different characters, but the same ganon, link, zelda becaue of the triforce.

KOTOR and Mass Effect are both made by Bioware, my point still stands.

If Zelda is Nintendo's best storyline, there is a problem.

When did I ever say Zelda was the best story?

What about halo, thats microsofts, is that a problem, or maybe be kameo its first party. Stop being a fanoby, nintendo actually has franchises that are story heavy(baten kaitos), fire emblem, golden sun, advance wars, etc.

No it wasnt, TP's story was pretty different, more mature, and more focus on character development. Baten kaitos appears on nintendo systems, im just using it as an example and if I cant use it, then what amazing stories does microsoft have for its first party? Sony?

[QUOTE="Marth6781"]When did I ever say mass effect doesn't have a deep story line?All your doing is assuming, all I said was KOTOR>mass effect, yet somehow you come the fact that I think its story sucks.Just stop.Vandalvideo

Once again, when have I said half the things your assuming. Mass effect has a great story, but TO ME its fails to KOTOR, end of story im not dissing the story, nor disrespecting it. If you cant see that with all the "whimsical charm" you spew, then im sorry.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Marth6781"]When did I ever say mass effect doesn't have a deep story line?All your doing is assuming, all I said was KOTOR>mass effect, yet somehow you come the fact that I think its story sucks.Just stop.Marth6781

Once again, when have I said half the things your assuming. Mass effect has a great story, but TO ME its fails to KOTOR, end of story im not dissing the story, nor disrespecting it. If you cant see that with all the "whimsical charm" you spew, then im sorry.

[QUOTE="Marth6781"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Marth6781"]When did I ever say mass effect doesn't have a deep story line?All your doing is assuming, all I said was KOTOR>mass effect, yet somehow you come the fact that I think its story sucks.Just stop.Vandalvideo

Once again, when have I said half the things your assuming. Mass effect has a great story, but TO ME its fails to KOTOR, end of story im not dissing the story, nor disrespecting it. If you cant see that with all the "whimsical charm" you spew, then im sorry.

Isn't everything?

It pains me that this is true, but Nintendo does not care about storylines. They sacrifice "story depth" for "casual fun".

Compare Metroid 3 to Mass Effect.

Play both and you'll see how much Nintendo cares about storylines. Worst part is, Metroid 3 is the deepest Nintendo storyline there is.

APOLLOCJD

lol... and Prime 3 plays a thousand times better. Neither game is comparable.

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]I agree except its not generally same storyline it is EXACTLY the same storyline over and over and over and over and over again SMG, and Twilight princess we're the only ones that we're a lot more different then the originals then past versions. other then that its really the same Exact storyline over and over.SSCyborg

Yeah! Remember the parts in Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask in which Link talked to Zelda? If so, could you please point out where, because I must have missed that part.

When Link gets his Ocarina for the first time, doesn't he remember Zelda? (MM)

Very possible, and they also talk about Zelda in Link's Awakening. Doesnt mean the story is the same though. Actually, it means they are entirely different.

whether or not a great storyline is needed really depends on the type of game

RPG's, for example, require engaging storylines

but other genres, like sports games and platformers, never have required great storylines.

thats why you guys look silly when trying to compare Mass Effect and Bioshock storylines to mario galaxy's....they are COMPLETELY different games in different genres

does chess suck now because it doesn't have a great storyline? ah man i can't play poker anymore, its storyline is non existant. NBA 2k8 too, some ol storyline everytime.

people need to get it in their heads that video games are GAMES....just like chess is a game, just like poker is a game.....they are games, not storybooks. games come in all different forms and not all are made to have storylines. for some games, having a serious storyline would be downright ridiculous and corny. this would be the case for a game like mario galaxy.

[QUOTE="APOLLOCJD"]

It pains me that this is true, but Nintendo does not care about storylines. They sacrifice "story depth" for "casual fun".

Compare Metroid 3 to Mass Effect.

Play both and you'll see how much Nintendo cares about storylines. Worst part is, Metroid 3 is the deepest Nintendo storyline there is.

kansasdude2009

lol... and Prime 3 plays a thousand times better. Neither game is comparable.

actually they are compareable in a way, they are both sci fi, they both involve aliens. and both (imo) have an intresting story

Any gamer knows that nintendo isn't about storylines, they are about gameplayAxel_rocks14

look at no more heroes, thats a story type game....but a horrible one for that matter, i mean come on a kid buys a "beam sword" from ebay??

op : name me a platformer with a good storyline...

well?

op : name me a platformer with a good storyline...

well?

Wahoo2k

gears of war :) its being produced into a movie, a trilogy, and a novel., i would have said halo, but i quite frankly don't understand the story myself.

[QUOTE="Wahoo2k"]

op : name me a platformer with a good storyline...

well?

SaintsRowSam

gears of war :) its being produced into a movie, a trilogy, and a novel., i would have said halo, but i quite frankly don't understand the story myself.

he said a "PLATFORMER"

gears of war is not a platformer :lol:

[QUOTE="Axel_rocks14"]Any gamer knows that nintendo isn't about storylines, they are about gameplaySaintsRowSam

look at no more heroes, thats a story type game....but a horrible one for that matter, i mean come on a kid buys a "beam sword" from ebay??

he said "NINTENDO"

no more heroes isn't made by nintendo :lol:

[QUOTE="Axel_rocks14"]Any gamer knows that nintendo isn't about storylines, they are about gameplaySaintsRowSam

look at no more heroes, thats a story type game....but a horrible one for that matter, i mean come on a kid buys a "beam sword" from ebay??

I was not aware NMH was made by Nintendo :roll: So you fail there.... Also buying a working lightsaber off ebay = deh win :D

[QUOTE="Axel_rocks14"]Any gamer knows that nintendo isn't about storylines, they are about gameplaySaintsRowSam

look at no more heroes, thats a story type game....but a horrible one for that matter, i mean come on a kid buys a "beam sword" from ebay??

That's NOT a Nintendo game.

[QUOTE="Axel_rocks14"]Any gamer knows that nintendo isn't about storylines, they are about gameplaySaintsRowSam

look at no more heroes, thats a story type game....but a horrible one for that matter, i mean come on a kid buys a "beam sword" from ebay??

[QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"][QUOTE="Wahoo2k"]

op : name me a platformer with a good storyline...

well?

JB730

gears of war :) its being produced into a movie, a trilogy, and a novel., i would have said halo, but i quite frankly don't understand the story myself.

he said a "PLATFORMER"

gears of war is not a platformer :lol:

i owned myself :cry: well their aren't really any great platformers. look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_platform_games

some of those games dont even have a story.

[QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"][QUOTE="Wahoo2k"]

op : name me a platformer with a good storyline...

well?

JB730

gears of war :) its being produced into a movie, a trilogy, and a novel., i would have said halo, but i quite frankly don't understand the story myself.

he said a "PLATFORMER"

gears of war is not a platformer :lol:

:lol:

Sometimes I feel bad being a shemming.

op : name me a platformer with a good storyline...

well?

Wahoo2k

Sly Cooper is awesome. Although I guess that's more the styIe than the story...

[QUOTE="JB730"][QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"][QUOTE="Wahoo2k"]

op : name me a platformer with a good storyline...

well?

SaintsRowSam

gears of war :) its being produced into a movie, a trilogy, and a novel., i would have said halo, but i quite frankly don't understand the story myself.

he said a "PLATFORMER"

gears of war is not a platformer :lol:

i owned myself :cry: well their aren't really any great platformers. look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_platform_games

some of those games dont even have a story.

:O You just said there aren't any real great platformers?!?! The original Mario Bros games, Super Mario 64, and Banjo Kazooie and Tooie aren't good? :(

[QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"][QUOTE="JB730"][QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"][QUOTE="Wahoo2k"]

op : name me a platformer with a good storyline...

well?

SSCyborg

gears of war :) its being produced into a movie, a trilogy, and a novel., i would have said halo, but i quite frankly don't understand the story myself.

he said a "PLATFORMER"

gears of war is not a platformer :lol:

i owned myself :cry: well their aren't really any great platformers. look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_platform_games

some of those games dont even have a story.

:O You just said there aren't any real great platformers?!?! The original Mario Bros games, Super Mario 64, and Banjo Kazooie and Tooie aren't good? :(

4/27? so 4 out of like 27 games is good?. and dont put words in my mouth i said "their arent REALLY any great platformers" i did not say "their arent any great platformers"

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4/27? so 4 out of like 27 games is good?. and dont put words in my mouth i said "their arent REALLY any great platformers" i did not say "their arent any great platformers"

SaintsRowSam

Mario, Mario 2, Mario 3, Mario World, Mario World 2, Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, Mario Galaxy. Banjo 1 + 2. Rayman 1, 2, 3. Sly 1, 2, 3. Sonic 1, 2, 3, Adventures. Crash, Spyro, Jak, Ratchet. Donkey Kong Country 1, 2, 3, DK64. Psychonauts.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="SaintsRowSam"][QUOTE="JB730"]he said a "PLATFORMER"

gears of war is not a platformer :lol:

SaintsRowSam

i owned myself :cry: well their aren't really any great platformers. look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_platform_games

some of those games dont even have a story.

:O You just said there aren't any real great platformers?!?! The original Mario Bros games, Super Mario 64, and Banjo Kazooie and Tooie aren't good? :(

4/27? so 4 out of like 27 games is good?. and dont put words in my mouth i said "their arent REALLY any great platformers" i did not say "their arent any great platformers"

Really great > Great

So by saying there are no great platformers, i thought you implied that there were no other platformers higher than the "great" caliber.

And you just lumped all of Mario's 2D platformers into one....:|

[QUOTE="Axel_rocks14"]Any gamer knows that nintendo isn't about storylines, they are about gameplaySaintsRowSam

look at no more heroes, thats a story type game....but a horrible one for that matter, i mean come on a kid buys a "beam sword" from ebay??

First off, its not a Nintendo game. Second, someone buying a lightsaber from ebay to become the greatest assassin in the world... Thats just plain awesome.

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="APOLLOCJD"]

It pains me that this is true, but Nintendo does not care about storylines. They sacrifice "story depth" for "casual fun".

Compare Metroid 3 to Mass Effect.

Play both and you'll see how much Nintendo cares about storylines. Worst part is, Metroid 3 is the deepest Nintendo storyline there is.

Vandalvideo

Actually nintendo does care about story lines, TP actually had a well written storyline, masseffects story fails compared to KOTOR.

Each zelda has different characters, but the same ganon, link, zelda becaue of the triforce.

have you ever noticed how mario and zelda's stories are always the same?

Mario- mario and peach are having a good time, then peach gets captured by Bowser

Zelda- Link and zelda are hanging out then zelda is captured by gannendorf (sp?)

generally its the same but just with different twists to cover it up.

SaintsRowSam

Mario isn't meant to have story, so that shoots down your Mario thing. Second, not all Zelda games have the same story. I don't remember that many times Link and Zelda were hanging out. Ever since LTTP, Zelda's been fairing well on her own. She didn't get captured until late in OoT, then only in the middle of WW. Phantom Hourglass has her captured from the beginning, but doesn't end when she's rescued. And quite a few Zelda games don't have Zelda at all. Oh, and just for the hell of it: Zelda's not captured in Zelda II.

Just asking a question here, possible spoilers for Twilight Princess

[spoiler] Do you ever have to save Zelda from anyone in TP? I remember meeting her at the beginning, and don't remember ever having to help her, nor do I remember her ever being kidnapped. Though, one of Link's village buddies was. I remember that much. [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]Why do you care? Better gameplay than almost any other games out there.Vandalvideo

Why?