Why does SW hate on BioShock (the game)?

I am really confused about this. Now I know alot of games get hate around here, mostly the popular exclusive ones (Halo 3, MGS4, etc), but BioShock isnt exactly one of those games since it is a multiplat available on all platforms except Wii. So, BioShock was one of the biggest and bestsurprises of 2007 to me, in a year where we had Halo 3, Orange Box, Crysis, Uncharted etc. And I am confused as to why some people refer to this game as horrible. I mean, fundamentally the game is sound. The atmosphere was great, and the combat was fun and fluid. So is it people are just jaded because it was different from System Shock 2, or is it just simply the most overrated game of all time?

P.S. Im looking for legitimate reasons here. Not just that you didnt like it because it wasnt long enough or some crap. Give me some real reasons why the gameplay was broken.

Gunplay was pretty bad and the game itself didn't motivate me enough to finish it.

Apparently it's an inferior rip-off of System Shock 2. I haven't played it so I wouldn't know. That seems to be the biggest reason aside from the janky shooting mechanics and it's dissapointing RPG elements.

the guns sucked it was too easy and the choices boiled down to yes or no with a similarly derivative ending for said choices also the rpg elements were pointless and the pipe maze hacking game was lame and boring after the 50th timeJandurin

Don't forget how there was no point to using any weapon other than the wrench, which did more damage than the guns.

What these guys said.....Not so great weapons, hacking was crappy after a while and I wasnt engaged enough to finish it

the guns sucked it was too easy and the choices boiled down to yes or no with a similarly derivative ending for said choices also the rpg elements were pointless and the pipe maze hacking game was lame and boring after the 50th timeJandurin

I'll also add to that, the 'moral' choices don't effect anything in the game, other then if you get a bad ending or not (and some extra items).

The storyline twists were completely predictable and cliche.

The Vita Chambers ruined any challenge the game could have.

Plasmids were boring to use, and the wrench is overpowered.

Tons of useless back tracking to increase the gameplay time.

Horrible boss fights, not memorable at all.

No replay value.

Etc.

I like it so far, it's a fun game.

Didn't realize I was in the minority. :?

I like it so far, it's a fun game.

Didn't realize I was in the minority. :?

Chutebox

I like it so far, it's a fun game.

Didn't realize I was in the minority. :?

Chutebox

You probably are the majority :P

The atmosphere in the game was terrific, it was the best part in the game. But other than that, everything else about the game was "meh" to me. It seemed more like a chore to get through the game than that I was excited about a new area or anything. The gunplay was mediocre which is something that really upsets me when I play shooters.

I don't know what else. I just didn't find it as great as some reviewers said.

the guns sucked it was too easy and the choices boiled down to yes or no with a similarly derivative ending for said choices also the rpg elements were pointless and the pipe maze hacking game was lame and boring after the 50th timeJandurin

I don't hate it, I just don't think it's amazing. I thought the gunplay was poor and the moral choices turned out to be lame.

The game's atmosphere is fantastic, though.

the guns sucked it was too easy also the rpg elements were pointless and the pipe maze hacking game was lame and boring after the 50th timeJandurin

There's a lot of people who just love to hate on popular things. The same kind of people that like to be "rebels" :) It's kind of cute, actually.jonnyt61

I loved it, great story, great graphics, really atmospheric , gun play was a bit weak, people here hate everything now matter what the score or qualityLuigi_The_Pimp

Because both of those are opinionated.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]There's a lot of people who just love to hate on popular things. The same kind of people that like to be "rebels" :) It's kind of cute, actually.Jandurin

Agreed. I love the Halo series, I have a lot of fun with Fable, and two of my favorite franchises are Final Fantasy and The Legend of Zelda.

See? I like popular things. I just didn't like Bioshock as much as some people. Nothing "cute" about it really.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]the guns sucked it was too easy and the choices boiled down to yes or no with a similarly derivative ending for said choices also the rpg elements were pointless and the pipe maze hacking game was lame and boring after the 50th timeYandere

I'll also add to that, the 'moral' choices don't effect anything in the game, other then if you get a bad ending or not (and some extra items).

The storyline twists were completely predictable and cliche.

The Vita Chambers ruined any challenge the game could have.

Plasmids were boring to use, and the wrench is overpowered.

Tons of useless back tracking to increase the gameplay time.

Horrible boss fights, not memorable at all.

No replay value.

Etc.

[QUOTE="Luigi_The_Pimp"]I loved it, great story, great graphics, really atmospheric , gun play was a bit weak, people here hate everything now matter what the score or qualityYandere

Because both of those are opinionated.

Dead Space did everything Bioshock set out to do but better.

Sure, there were no plasmids, but it offered a more interesting story with better twists, better weapons, better atmosphere, and better fights against the monsters. Also, it was actually challenging, unlike Bioshock, which held your hand the entire game and completely removed the penalty of death. You can beat the entire game just by constantly reviving and using the wrench.

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[QUOTE="Luigi_The_Pimp"]I loved it, great story, great graphics, really atmospheric , gun play was a bit weak, people here hate everything now matter what the score or qualityLuigi_The_Pimp

Because both of those are opinionated.

That's why they hate it, because it doesn't fall under their taste.. Scores don't prove the quality of games to me.

the atmosphere and environment were like nothing before it and I loved it. I really wanted to like this game so bad but after getting farther into it, I couldn't. As already stated, the game felt clunky. The gunplay wasn't that great. The ai was pretty horrible. The game was WAY too easy, and the last boss fight was a joke. I didn't think the last boss fight would be so short + easy + uneventful. The game started off extremely strong, and it just couldn't stay that way. Hopefully they fixed everything wrong with bioshock in bioshock 2.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]the guns sucked it was too easy and the choices boiled down to yes or no with a similarly derivative ending for said choices also the rpg elements were pointless and the pipe maze hacking game was lame and boring after the 50th timeh575309

I'll also add to that, the 'moral' choices don't effect anything in the game, other then if you get a bad ending or not (and some extra items).

The storyline twists were completely predictable and cliche.

The Vita Chambers ruined any challenge the game could have.

Plasmids were boring to use, and the wrench is overpowered.

Tons of useless back tracking to increase the gameplay time.

Horrible boss fights, not memorable at all.

No replay value.

Etc.

Yes, the first time I fought a 'big daddy' was interesting, but like spark said it got tiresome.. Anyways, the 'big daddy' isn't a boss.

[QUOTE="h575309"]The guns sucked? Well I would have to disagree. I thought they were satisfying. The game was about using your powers and guns together anyway, I found no problems with the guns. The choices you made affecting plot is done in a ton of games like Fallout 3 and Fable 2 so I guess theyre broken as well? I never did the pipe maze hacking thing, it wasnt necessary and didnt detract from the game at all. And are you talking about the plasmids and tonics being worthless? I dont really see how they were worthless, it made you more powerful and made playing through the game more enjoyable...Jandurin

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]There's a lot of people who just love to hate on popular things. The same kind of people that like to be "rebels" :) It's kind of cute, actually.Jandurin

It's not teh System Shock 2 sequel!

Unless you're so self-important you can class yourself as a "people" :)jonnyt61

Dead Space did everything Bioshock set out to do but better.

-TheSecondSign-

Dead Space did everything Bioshock set out to do but better.

Sure, there were no plasmids, but it offered a more interesting story with better twists, better weapons, better atmosphere, and better fights against the monsters. Also, it was actually challenging, unlike Bioshock, which held your hand the entire game and completely removed the penalty of death. You can beat the entire game just by constantly reviving and using the wrench.

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

I'll also add to that, the 'moral' choices don't effect anything in the game, other then if you get a bad ending or not (and some extra items).

The storyline twists were completely predictable and cliche.

The Vita Chambers ruined any challenge the game could have.

Plasmids were boring to use, and the wrench is overpowered.

Tons of useless back tracking to increase the gameplay time.

Horrible boss fights, not memorable at all.

No replay value.

Etc.

Yes, the first time I fought a 'big daddy' was interesting, but like spark said it got tiresome.. Anyways, the 'big daddy' isn't a boss.

Dead Space did everything Bioshock set out to do but better.

Sure, there were no plasmids, but it offered a more interesting story with better twists, better weapons, better atmosphere, and better fights against the monsters. Also, it was actually challenging, unlike Bioshock, which held your hand the entire game and completely removed the penalty of death. You can beat the entire game just by constantly reviving and using the wrench.

BioShocks not a horror title.h575309

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Dead Space did everything Bioshock set out to do but better.

Sure, there were no plasmids, but it offered a more interesting story with better twists, better weapons, better atmosphere, and better fights against the monsters. Also, it was actually challenging, unlike Bioshock, which held your hand the entire game and completely removed the penalty of death. You can beat the entire game just by constantly reviving and using the wrench.

h575309

Telling you where to go =/= completely removing ANY penalty of death. You lose nothing for losing in Bioshock. You don't lose items, health, progress, nothing. You can literally go through the whole game, without ever suffering from any penalty. They don't even BEGIN to compare.

And I didn't really find the story in Bioshock that great. Sure, it had its atmosphere, but Dead Space had just as good of an atmosphere.

Besides, Dead Space is hardly frightening, and I found myself CONSTANTLY thinking "Gee, this is a lot like Bioshock, but way better" while playing Dead Space.

Besides, Dead Space is hardly frightening, and I found myself CONSTANTLY thinking "Gee, this is a lot like Bioshock, but way better" while playing Dead Space.

-TheSecondSign-

[QUOTE="h575309"] BioShocks not a horror title.Jandurin

Edit: Ill take back the metroid prime thing, cause its not really like that either. But it is an adventure FPS,

[QUOTE="h575309"] BioShocks not a horror title.Jandurin

Nah, not really. Dead Space was a horror game filled with monster closet moments. BioShock is more of a screwed up world with a lot of social/political commentary.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="h575309"] BioShocks not a horror title.h575309

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] bioshock is as much a horror title as dead space and vice versaJandurin