Why doesn't GS deduct points from Wii games for bad graphics?

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#1 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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I've seen a fair amount of ps3/360 games that have comments in "the bad" section of their reviews about bad graphics, which implies that the graphics are responsible for points being taken off from the game's score. Since no Wii game lives up to the standard set by its direct competitors on the ps3/360, why aren't bad graphics taken into account for those games?

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#2 locopatho
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Different standards for the Wii. Same reason a fairly bad (by 360/PS3 standards) online mode will get praised on Wii.
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#3 CDUB316
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how can you deduct points for bad graphics when the console isn't capable of it?

you judge games based on THAT consoles power, not based on what other consoles can do

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#4 shutdown_202
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You've got it wrong, scores dont start at a 10 and go down with each criticism. Its the sum of how the review felt with the whole experience.

And Wii games with bad graphics do get criticised heavily. Unless you're trying to same games like SMG2, MP3, TvC etc. have bad graphics. People need to get the idea out of their head that if its not number 1, its crap.

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#5 KungfuKitten
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Different audience. People don't buy a wii for HD.

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#6 Animal-Mother
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Well points don't A) Get deducted from 10 and go down.

and B) Why would you even score a wiii game less for graphics due to that being what the system is capable of

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#7 goblaa
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Then wouldn't the DS and PSP get even worse reviews?

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#8 osan0
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so all wii games..without exception..should have points knocked off for alleged bad graphics?
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#9 DethSkematik
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Remember that old saying, "people don't care about graphics for the Wii?" Quoted by Nintendo, and by the look of things, they're right on the money.
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#10 Twin-Blade
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MH3 already scored an 8, & it's one of the best games this year. Graphics shouldn't be a fault as long as they are decent.

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#11 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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so all wii games..without exception..should have points knocked off for alleged bad graphics?osan0
Yeah

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#12 foxhound_fox
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Because it would be like deducting points from DS games because they don't look like their console counterparts. And if this is the case, why don't they deduct points from 360/PS3 games for not looking as good as PC games? I'll tell you. All these different platforms have different capabilities, and there is no way a reviewer is going to expect a DS to be capable of what a 360 is capable of, or expect the Wii to be capable of what the PC is capable of.

That is not how GS reviews games, they even blatantly say that in their review guidelines (if you took the time to read them before assuming). I personally don't hold any standard at all for graphics (I'll give anything a try so long as it appeals to both my technical and artistic preferences), but tend to prefer greater fidelity from modern games, which is one of the reasons why I dislike the Wii (aside from the few games whose artstyIes I like)... it could have been so much more with more hardware power, but ended up being an overclocked Gamecube.

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#13 legol1
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we have to be fair if we cant compare wii graphics to ps360 graphics maybe we souldnt compare wii AAA to ps360 AAA either.
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#14 osan0
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[QUOTE="osan0"]so all wii games..without exception..should have points knocked off for alleged bad graphics?mmwmwmmwmwmm

Yeah

right.....and what defines good graphics? because my fav looking game this gen on any platform is a wii game....and a PS2 port for that matter. okami. i think its absolutely gorgeous. yes i have played crysis and GOW 3 and gears 2 and uncharted and all that good stuff and they look great. but imho okami looks better. others will of course disagree because at the end of the day graphics come down to OPINION! unless you just want to argue graphics: technical.....but that would be both a completly pointless and counter productive way of measuring and scoring graphics.
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#15 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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we have to be fair if we cant compare wii graphics to ps360 graphics maybe we souldnt compare wii AAA to ps360 AAA either.legol1
sure if your one of those people who only care about graphics
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#16 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Then everything but the PC would get deducted for "bad graphics".
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#17 shabab12
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imagine mario galexy was on the 360 in its current state. it would be an XBLA game.
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#18 legol1
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what about physic ai online those feature make ps360 AAA better too.
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#19 osan0
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imagine mario galexy was on the 360 in its current state. it would be an XBLA game. shabab12
and still one of the best games available on the 360 if it happened.
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#20 darthogre
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I've seen a fair amount of ps3/360 games that have comments in "the bad" section of their reviews about bad graphics, which implies that the graphics are responsible for points being taken off from the game's score. Since no Wii game lives up to the standard set by its direct competitors on the ps3/360, why aren't bad graphics taken into account for those games?

mmwmwmmwmwmm
Because it has inferior hardware. I won't say different standards.....it's more like Wii games are competing graphcially with themselves. For instance all Wii games graphically will now be compared to Super Mario Galaxy 2.....not Uncharted 2 since it has no chance of ever producing graphics like that. Is it a bad way to do it......not really, I mean are we supposed to deduct points from handheld consoles because they can't match the graphics of the home consoles?
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#21 Silenthps
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the same reason FPS games on the 360 and PS3 don't get deducted points for bad controls because they don't measure up to the accuracy of the Wii's.
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#22 ExESGO
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You do know graphics don't count for everything or even half?
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#23 locopatho
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You do know graphics don't count for everything or even half?ExESGO
They do count for something tho.
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#24 ExESGO
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[QUOTE="ExESGO"]You do know graphics don't count for everything or even half?locopatho
They do count for something tho.

Did I ever say it never counted for anything? I don't think so.
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#25 SaltyMeatballs
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Let's deduct points from every console game because they don't match the highest PC.
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#26 shutdown_202
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imagine mario galexy was on the 360 in its current state. it would be an XBLA game. shabab12

:lol: oh wow.

You also say that as if XBLA games are naturally inferior. Games like Shadow Complex are superior than 97% of the 360s retail line-up.

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#27 anshul89
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The Wii has much lower standards.

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#28 CDUB316
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Let's deduct points from every console game because they don't match the highest PC.SaltyMeatballs

i can see it now...in the negative column for every game released from now on

Halo Reach "doesn't look as good as high end cyrsis"

KZ3 "doesn't look as good as high end crysis"

Uncharted 3 "doesn't look as good as high end crysis"

EVERY GAME "doesn't look as good as high end crysis"

lmao

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#29 shinrabanshou
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Hmm. While I don't really give a toss that points aren't deducted for "bad graphics" on the Wii.

There's a bit of a flaw in rating graphics based on a sliding scale for the Wii's technical limitations, in that as far as I'm aware a similar sliding scale doesn't seem to always be used for multiplats for the other systems which have their own degrees of technical limitations. Although it seems differences in graphics in multiplats are largely ignored now in scores anyway so it's moot I guess.

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#30 ExESGO
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Let's deduct points from every console game because they don't match the highest PC.CDUB316

i can see it now...in the negative column for every game released from now on

Halo Reach "doesn't look as good as high end cyrsis"

KZ3 "doesn't look as good as high end crysis"

Uncharted 3 "doesn't look as good as high end crysis"

EVERY GAME "doesn't look as good as high end crysis"

lmao

Cheers!
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#31 AzatiS
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I've seen a fair amount of ps3/360 games that have comments in "the bad" section of their reviews about bad graphics, which implies that the graphics are responsible for points being taken off from the game's score. Since no Wii game lives up to the standard set by its direct competitors on the ps3/360, why aren't bad graphics taken into account for those games?

mmwmwmmwmwmm

I kinda agree with this.

Thats why i love the oldschoold system.

Was like

Graphics

Sound/music

Gameplay

Value/ Replay value

and out of these scores we had the total score.

Though i can understand when people saying different standards and all but lets not forget Wii is on the same gen as PS3 and X360. Different standards though same gen should be judged equal imho.

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#32 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Let's deduct points from every console game because they don't match the highest PC.CDUB316

i can see it now...in the negative column for every game released from now on

Halo Reach "doesn't look as good as high end cyrsis"

KZ3 "doesn't look as good as high end crysis"

Uncharted 3 "doesn't look as good as high end crysis"

EVERY GAME "doesn't look as good as high end crysis"

lmao

Indeed. Though flawed logic there as MGS4 technical graphics beat Crysis Warhead (which looks better than normal Crysis) on GS.
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#33 Zophar87
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Anything that I would say has already been said by others.

However, since when do graphics make a game?

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#34 xsubtownerx
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The Wii has lower standards.
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#35 FIipMode
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The Wii has lower standards when it comes to graphics.
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#36 hd5870corei7
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Different standards for the Wii. Same reason a fairly bad (by 360/PS3 standards) online mode will get praised on Wii.locopatho
Thank you for point out what I've been saying all a long :P
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#37 abuabed
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That's like comparing 360/PS3 to PC, different standards.
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#38 tomarlyn
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the same reason FPS games on the 360 and PS3 don't get deducted points for bad controls because they don't measure up to the accuracy of the Wii's. Silenthps
Right, so Killzone 3 will get extra points for Move support?
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#39 wooooode
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The Wii has no direct competitors and games are based on genere standards as well as platform limitations.
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#40 madsnakehhh
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They do deduct points when the game has bad Graphics :roll:

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#41 sonic0491
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I was thinking the same thing when the first reviews for this generation came out, but what everyone is saying is correct.

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#42 lundy86_4
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They're gonna rate it comparative to the Wii. Why would they rate it down if the system itself can't attain graphics even close to a PS3/360 game (unless the game looks **** awful).

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#43 Thunderdrone
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Different standards for the Wii. Same reason a fairly bad (by 360/PS3 standards) online mode will get praised on Wii.locopatho
And the same reason many reviewers highly-praise dual-stick shooter gameplay. Dont forget about that one. Also, PC graphics standards etc, etc...
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#44 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]Different standards for the Wii. Same reason a fairly bad (by 360/PS3 standards) online mode will get praised on Wii.Thunderdrone
And the same reason many reviewers highly-praise dual-stick shooter gameplay. Dont forget about that one. Also, PC graphics standards etc, etc...

Dual analogue worked fine before Wii controls, and works fine after. Whereas filth graphics are always bad.
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#45 subrosian
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For the last time. REVIEW SCORES ACROSS PLATFORMS ARE NOT COMPARABLE. You can compare a 360 score to a PS3 score only because the systems are similar. For the Wii, the scores are not comparable. The PC is in the same boat. The same game released on the 360 / PS3, were it directly ported to PC, would lose at least a point in scoring. This has been stated by GS' review policy, by the reviewers themselves and by the site's editors. The bottom line is that you can't just say a 9.5 is a 9.5 and a 7.0 is a 7.0. You can't say that "bad 360 graphics = good Wii graphics" either. It's more complex than that, otherwise even the best-looking Wii games would be getting judged by Metro 2033 PC standards and we'd be sitting around going "why the hell is GS comparing the Wii's graphics to high-end gaming PCs? Why is every DS game getting a 0 for graphics?"
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#46 brickdoctor
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That's like marking down Killzone 2 because the graphics aren't as good as Crysis because the PS3 is less powerful than the PC. The developers can't change the Wii, so they make the best out of what they got.

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#47 Thunderdrone
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Different standards for the Wii. Same reason a fairly bad (by 360/PS3 standards) online mode will get praised on Wii.locopatho
And the same reason many reviewers highly-praise dual-stick shooter gameplay. Dont forget about that one. Also, PC graphics standards etc, etc...

Dual analogue worked fine before Wii controls, and works fine after. Whereas filth graphics are always bad.

Dual analog for precision shooting never worked "fine". And i didnt mention Wii controls. Dont need to compare it to anything to realize that DA shooting controls are terrible.
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#48 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] And the same reason many reviewers highly-praise dual-stick shooter gameplay. Dont forget about that one. Also, PC graphics standards etc, etc...Thunderdrone
Dual analogue worked fine before Wii controls, and works fine after. Whereas filth graphics are always bad.

Dual analog for precision shooting never worked "fine". And i didnt mention Wii controls. Dont need to compare it to anything to realize that DA shooting controls are terrible.

But they're not. The only thing thats terrible is the person using them.
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#49 locopatho
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] And the same reason many reviewers highly-praise dual-stick shooter gameplay. Dont forget about that one. Also, PC graphics standards etc, etc...

Dual analogue worked fine before Wii controls, and works fine after. Whereas filth graphics are always bad.

Dual analog for precision shooting never worked "fine". And i didnt mention Wii controls. Dont need to compare it to anything to realize that DA shooting controls are terrible.

Maybe you suck with them :D Work fine for me as long as the game is good. How are people sniping headshots from across the map in COD if they are so terrible.
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#50 Thunderdrone
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"] But they're not. The only thing thats terrible is the person using them.

What a compelling argument. Let me just twirl my sticks to drag that aim cursor somewhere over the chest of that alien for a nice, clean headshot while i wait for you to write something else.