Why doesn't GS deduct points from Wii games for bad graphics?

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#101 Silverbond
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I'm sure they do when graphics are bad by Wii standards.

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#102 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"]

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Why don't HD console shooters get points deducted for having imprecise controls?

See, I can do it too.

Are you implying that Wii has precise controls... ?

Yes it does. For motion just use Wii Motion + and it's perfect, but even so reducing gameplay to one swipe with the remote or using the buttons gives sharp controls. Although asking why they don't get deducted is strange, they do when they are precise. I mean you don't get deducted for things obviously, but with Sonic Unleashed the PS3 and 360 versions got 3.5s while the Wii version got a 7.0. They said that the PS3 and 360 had control issues while the Wii had precise, sharp controls. So it can make a difference, but only when it's significant enough to be relevant, just like with the Wii.

And how many Wii games on the market actually support M+? A lot of games without it have very unreliable gesture based controls at times.
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#103 EdenProxy
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Different standards which is why we cant compare wii to 360 /ps3. Cus it has lower standards.
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#104 dommeus
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imagine mario galexy was on the 360 in its current state. it would be an XBLA game. shabab12
If SMG 1 & 2 were on the 360 I'd be ****ing well happy!
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#105 Mr_Cumberdale
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This makes no sense. If anything, the graphics should be determined by the console's capabilities.
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#106 edo-tensei
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Different standards for the Wii. Same reason a fairly bad (by 360/PS3 standards) online mode will get praised on Wii.locopatho
Then why do sheep keep insisting in pitting the wii against the ps3 and 360 if it obviously has different standards? Why do you think hermits keep out of this place(excluding the scenario where a cow declares a ps3 game > than crisis). I see sheep all the time claiming and trying to rub it in other people that the wii has a lot more exclusives; to suggesting that it has better games as well. I own a wii and I just find that silly, not a lot of people in sw mention this point.
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#107 Thunderdrone
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]Different standards for the Wii. Same reason a fairly bad (by 360/PS3 standards) online mode will get praised on Wii.edo-tensei
Then why do sheep keep insisting in pitting the wii against the ps3 and 360 if it obviously has different standards? Why do you think hermits keep out of this place(excluding the scenario where a cow declares a ps3 game > than crisis). I see sheep all the time claiming and trying to rub it in other people that the wii has a lot more exclusives; to suggesting that it has better games as well. I own a wii and I just find that silly, not a lot of people in sw mention this point.

I can perfectly compare the offerings of the PC, Wii, PS3, 360, DS and PSP libraries to determine which system is the best (for me), because games are (or should be) qualitatively measured by how much fun i'm having with them, and not by how super amazing that shader on that high-poly HD rock is.

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#108 Senor_Kami
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The same reason that they don't deduct points from PS3 and 360 games because the graphics are lackluster compared to a top of the end PC.
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#109 DraugenCP
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[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Why don't HD console shooters get points deducted for having imprecise controls?

See, I can do it too.

mmwmwmmwmwmm

Are you implying that Wii has precise controls... ?

Wii (and DS) shooters have superior controls to 360 and PS3 shooters, yes. IR pointer is second best only to KB+Mouse. Dual Analog shooting feels clunky and ancient now.

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#110 Cruxis27
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Yeah... *Leaves*

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#111 nintendo-4life
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same reason why mediocre FPS controls are praised on X360.
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#112 SpinoRaptor24
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Because scores don't start at a perfect 10 and are deducted from there.

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#113 edo-tensei
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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Different standards for the Wii. Same reason a fairly bad (by 360/PS3 standards) online mode will get praised on Wii.Thunderdrone

Then why do sheep keep insisting in pitting the wii against the ps3 and 360 if it obviously has different standards? Why do you think hermits keep out of this place(excluding the scenario where a cow declares a ps3 game > than crisis). I see sheep all the time claiming and trying to rub it in other people that the wii has a lot more exclusives; to suggesting that it has better games as well. I own a wii and I just find that silly, not a lot of people in sw mention this point.

I can perfectly compare the offerings of the PC, Wii, PS3, 360, DS and PSP libraries to determine which system is the best (for me), because games are (or should be) qualitatively measured by how much fun i'm having with them, and not by how super amazing that shader on that high-poly HD rock is.

Didn't we state that games for x console is viewed with different standards than x console? If that's true then personal opinion shouldn't factor here either. I too like wii games, but to put it next to a 360 game in terms of quality doesn't make sense since like we said the are reviewed with different takes on it.
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#114 Crotazoa8
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Then everything but the PC would get deducted for "bad graphics".siLVURcross
Lol this is true.
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#115 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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I always thought of handhelds, consoles, and PC's to be their own thing. So handhelds should be compared to the handhelds they are competing with, consoles should be compared to consoles they are competing with, and PC's should just do whatever.
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#116 Brainhunter
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I've seen a fair amount of ps3/360 games that have comments in "the bad" section of their reviews about bad graphics, which implies that the graphics are responsible for points being taken off from the game's score. Since no Wii game lives up to the standard set by its direct competitors on the ps3/360, why aren't bad graphics taken into account for those games?

mmwmwmmwmwmm
Because if bad graphics were an overall view of the entire gaming industry, the PC platform would win. Every. Single. Time.
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#117 Half-Way
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I've seen a fair amount of ps3/360 games that have comments in "the bad" section of their reviews about bad graphics, which implies that the graphics are responsible for points being taken off from the game's score. Since no Wii game lives up to the standard set by its direct competitors on the ps3/360, why aren't bad graphics taken into account for those games?

mmwmwmmwmwmm

let me answer that with a question.

Why doesn't GS deduct points from PS3/Xbox360 games for bad graphics? Compared to PC games

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#118 kweeni
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Because of different standards, bro.
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#119 Half-Way
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Then why do sheep keep insisting in pitting the wii against the ps3 and 360 if it obviously has different standards? Why do you think hermits keep out of this place(excluding the scenario where a cow declares a ps3 game > than crisis). I see sheep all the time claiming and trying to rub it in other people that the wii has a lot more exclusives; to suggesting that it has better games as well. I own a wii and I just find that silly, not a lot of people in sw mention this point.edo-tensei

I can perfectly compare the offerings of the PC, Wii, PS3, 360, DS and PSP libraries to determine which system is the best (for me), because games are (or should be) qualitatively measured by how much fun i'm having with them, and not by how super amazing that shader on that high-poly HD rock is.

Didn't we state that games for x console is viewed with different standards than x console? If that's true then personal opinion shouldn't factor here either. I too like wii games, but to put it next to a 360 game in terms of quality doesn't make sense since like we said the are reviewed with different takes on it.

well your mistake is that Diffrent standards dont make console X better then console Y.

simply because Console Y might have lower standards for graphics, but not for the overall software.

because the end product is still based on opinion, no matter how diffrent the standards are.

For example Litle Big Planet might have scored lower on the wii because the wii has an higher standard for platforming games, unlike the ps3.

But that dosent mean that people cant like LBP more then Mario Galaxy. They both offer diffrent things, so it would be like comparing the wii to the ps3.

What ever suits your own taste.

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#120 edo-tensei
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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] I can perfectly compare the offerings of the PC, Wii, PS3, 360, DS and PSP libraries to determine which system is the best (for me), because games are (or should be) qualitatively measured by how much fun i'm having with them, and not by how super amazing that shader on that high-poly HD rock is.

Didn't we state that games for x console is viewed with different standards than x console? If that's true then personal opinion shouldn't factor here either. I too like wii games, but to put it next to a 360 game in terms of quality doesn't make sense since like we said the are reviewed with different takes on it.

well your mistake is that Diffrent standards dont make console X better then console Y.

simply because Console Y might have lower standards for graphics, but not for the overall software.

because the end product is still based on opinion, no matter how diffrent the standards are.

For example Litle Big Planet might have scored lower on the wii because the wii has an higher standard for platforming games, unlike the ps3.

But that dosent mean that people cant like LBP more then Mario Galaxy. They both offer diffrent things, so it would be like comparing the wii to the ps3.

What ever suits your own taste.

When did I state that anything is better than anything?
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#121 ActicEdge
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Because its comparitive to what's realistic.

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#122 gangstaa9
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Wii has diffrent standards that does not mean wii games are bad though they just have less power. If SMG2 had better graphics and was put on any of the other consoles it still would have gotten a 10 because it was just that fun to play.

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#123 Blade8Aus
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The same reason they don't do the same thing on every other platform but PC. You scale to the platform.

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#124 antifanboyftw
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Then everything but the PC would get deducted for "bad graphics".siLVURcross
i think the point being made here is the wii released the last out of all 3 consoles and is by far the weakest. as always, you can't compare graphics to pc since it isn't fixed hardware. then again, i thought some pc games got bashed by certain reviewers for being too demanding to run (i think GT did that once)
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#125 Fumpa
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I agree that they should. I don't really read Wii game reviews but I'm kind of shocked that they don't consider the graphics.
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#126 TacticalDesire
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Different standards for the Wii. Same reason a fairly bad (by 360/PS3 standards) online mode will get praised on Wii.locopatho

Yep I've always said this. Games get graded differently on the Wii. Not just in the graphics department. Reviewers tend to have different expectations as to what they want coming out of a Wii game. Certain games on the Wii that score 8.0s and 8.5s would more than likely score 7.0s on the 360 or PS3 for various reasons.

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#127 Mario1331
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Different standards for the Wii. Same reason a fairly bad (by 360/PS3 standards) online mode will get praised on Wii.locopatho

no it doesnt if a wii game has bad online it has bad online thats why SSBB didnt get a 10 because it has bad online

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#128 DJ_Headshot
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Because a game can look visually appealing with weak tech and ugly with powerful tech. And rating graphics in an absolute comparing against all other system would be stupid by default and handheld game would get like 2 or 3 and any iphone game would get a 1.
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#129 TacticalDesire
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The Wii has much lower standards.

anshul89

In some situations yes...I prefer to say just different standards though. Like certain genres that would fail on PS3 or 360 succeed on the Wii for whatever reason, but yes if SMG2 had been the exact same game released on another console it would not have scored a 10.

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#130 goblaa
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Dual analogue worked fine before Wii controls, and works fine after. Whereas filth graphics are always bad.tomarlyn
Dual analog for precision shooting never worked "fine". And i didnt mention Wii controls. Dont need to compare it to anything to realize that DA shooting controls are terrible.

But they're not. The only thing thats terrible is the person using them.

No, they're simply bad. They have never been good. It's just that we have all learned to live with them because there was no alternative at the time.

Da will always be the most inferior way to control a shooter.

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#131 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Then everything but the PC would get deducted for "bad graphics".scoots9

This.

Also lower standards.

its lower standards because the hardwar is inferior you and some others are making it sound like its lower standards because people dont try when the hardware is not that great to begin with

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#132 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="anshul89"]

The Wii has much lower standards.

TacticalDesire

In some situations yes...I prefer to say just different standards though. Like certain genres that would fail on PS3 or 360 succeed on the Wii for whatever reason, but yes if SMG2 had been the exact same game released on another console it would not have scored a 10.

duh, certain aspects would be scaled but if you think it wouldn't score a 10 you were not reading the review and kevin v's comments and stop making tis statement like its provable, its a complete bs statement.

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#133 DarthBilf
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[QUOTE="anshul89"]

The Wii has much lower standards.

TacticalDesire

In some situations yes...I prefer to say just different standards though. Like certain genres that would fail on PS3 or 360 succeed on the Wii for whatever reason, but yes if SMG2 had been the exact same game released on another console it would not have scored a 10.

That's not necessarily true. MAYBE they would knock off half a point because of poor graphics, but the level design and gameplay would be no less superb. The only standard that varies between systems is graphics, not gameplay.