Why doesn't Sony think about players who like co-op and multiplayer?

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#1 Salt_The_Fries
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There are a lot of types of gamers. Some of them like single player cinematic experiences and want to be immersed in stories, some of them love the social or competitive aspect of games. And some of them do enjoy both.

Why the hell does Sony NOT think about gamers who like multiplayer? It's like assuming everybody is the same and likes the same thing. And if you condone that, YOU ARE A GIGANTIC EGOISTIC JERK. And don't give me this generic reply about MP being shoehorned into so many games. Sony has none (or next to none, YOU BARGAINING AND MISSING THE POINT JERK) in their upcoming ones.

As I had sad a year and a half ago here (but as usual with unpopular or novel ideas, my topic was largely ignored), the history repeats itself. No upcoming games by Sony that were shown on E3 have multiplayer or co-op (from what we know) nor are there any dedicated multiplayer-only games from them. MS on the other hand features co-op in most of them (bar ReCore) or specifically build some titles for multiplayer (Sea of Thieves) in a way that it's arguably guaranteed not to harm the single player experience. I can't see any of those games suffering in quality b/c of co-op inclusion.

What's the justification here? Why is ignoring players' needs acceptable? Why can't they TRY to include co-op in AT LEAST ONE game?

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#2 Kruiz_Bathory
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You'd still complain about it even if they had shown something. With that said, I'm glad I have all consoles and don't have to miss anything or complain about why x doesn't have what y had.

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#3 Junky-trunk
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Do you do anything else in life aside from Sony bashing?

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That's probably the biggest reason I don't care about Sony franchises. I like good multiplayer games and Playstation has always had very very few of those

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#5 Salt_The_Fries
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@junky-trunk: Don't shallow down the topic, beeyatch, you suka blyadth.

Anyhow, if you call constructive criticism bashing, then I dunno....

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#6 jcrame10
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@Salt_The_Fries: i always thought of the third party games as being the big multiplayer experiences.

But Sony has offered mp before: Killzone series, Resistance series, Motorstorm series, Littlebigplanet series, Uncharted 2, 3 and 4 has great multiplayer, Last of Us has one of the best third person shooter tactical multiplayers ever, shit even Knack had co op

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#8  Edited By adsparky
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Is underwhelming indeed; but for most of them even when we watched gameplay we don't know a lot; We know that Horizon Zero Dawn won't have multiplayer in any way but Days Gone and Gravity Rush 2 could have. So wait, there were several exclusives that Sony didn't include in its conference but just for that doesn't mean they don't exist.

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#9  Edited By Slashkice
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Sony not forcing their devs to include multiplayer for the sake of it is a good thing. Developers should make their games as they envision them.

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@Slashkice said:

Sony not forcing their devs to include multiplayer for the sake of it is a good thing. Developers should make their games as they envision them.

/thread.

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#11 logicallizard07
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When it comes to coop and gaming with my family, nothing is better than Mario Kart/Smash/Mario/Pokken Tournament etc.. The Wii U is my number 1 console to game with my family on. When I am by myself and want a more single player experience I turn torwards my PS4 for Uncharted and The Witcher at the moment

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#12 gago-gago
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And when they do try to add them, they feel tacked on last minute.

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This is one of the biggest reasons why Sony is my least favorite of the 3; I like multiplayer games and Sony has always been the weakest on multiplayer gaming going all the way back to the PS1 days.

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@mems_1224 said:

That's probably the biggest reason I don't care about Sony franchises. I like good multiplayer games and Playstation has always had very very few of those

same to me all this sp games are waste of money $60 for 1 day fun 2 days if you have to work that day

#1 reason I like xbox I Play gears sp or coop its 3x longer then go mp or Horde mode for weaks if not more Halo the same way 4p coop story then you get options like forge world or Spec ops 4p coop or MP I wold never understand why Sony fans use $60 on untildawn or the order sure good story but for what few hrs of game FK that

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#15 Bigboi500
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There's Xbox and PC for that stuff, and plenty of it in the form of third party on PS4. The industry is becoming flooded with it.

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#16  Edited By ConanTheStoner
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So basically, Sony doesn't create multiplayer games... that is, as long as you don't count their multiplayer games. Because if you do then you're missing the point and you're a jerk. Gotcha.

I think you'd have a better argument for saying Sony doesn't do good multiplayer games.

Honestly man, you could come up with these kinds of stipulations to make any of the big 3 look bad. Neither of them cover all bases. It would be especially easy to do with MS.

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#17  Edited By SolidTy
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@Salt_The_Fries: Because then they would be catering to you and your ilk and getting their ass kicked worldwide in sales.

Should Sony follow your set out plan for them?

Besides, they actually do have MP games (TLOU is an incredibly MP experience, not that you'd know as it's on PS), but you simply aren't looking at them.

Also, and most importantly:

@Slashkice said:

Sony not forcing their devs to include multiplayer for the sake of it is a good thing. Developers should make their games as they envision them.

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#18 Syn_Valence
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Big surprise everyone sayin they need to is a lemming in this thread. Why do you even bother, no one takes what you say seriously. Not like murder, now thats serious buisness.

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#19 Salt_The_Fries
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@SolidTy said:

@Salt_The_Fries: Because then they would be catering to you and your ilk and getting their ass kicked worldwide in sales.

Should Sony follow your set out plan for them?

Besides, they actually do have MP games (TLOU is an incredibly MP experience, not that you'd know as it's on PS), but you simply aren't looking at them.

Also, and most importantly:

@Slashkice said:

Sony not forcing their devs to include multiplayer for the sake of it is a good thing. Developers should make their games as they envision them.

Leave me alone.

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#20 HitmanActual
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TC wishes Sony had more of his type of MP games because he wants to defect and change sides.

If he doesn't want to change sides then why the **** would it matter to him what types of games Sony has?

Lol Lemmings.

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#21 chocolate1325
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I love playing multiplayer games like Mario Kart,Street Fighter and Smash but I love Single Player games more than any for the experience. Love me some Mass Effect,Witcher 3,Uncharted 4,Legend of Zelda.

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#22 MonsieurX
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@panda30 said:
@mems_1224 said:

That's probably the biggest reason I don't care about Sony franchises. I like good multiplayer games and Playstation has always had very very few of those

same to me all this sp games are waste of money $60 for 1 day fun 2 days if you have to work that day

#1 reason I like xbox I Play gears sp or coop its 3x longer then go mp or Horde mode for weaks if not more Halo the same way 4p coop story then you get options like forge world or Spec ops 4p coop or MP I wold never understand why Sony fans use $60 on untildawn or the order sure good story but for what few hrs of game FK that

Because there are no SP games on the X1

lol Quantum Break

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#23 SecretPolice
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Because Sony fans require much handholding. lol :P

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#24 loe12k
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With open world story telling games they can get away with leaving multiplayer out. I don't think most PS4 fans mind that much, third party saves them.

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#25  Edited By casharmy
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Ironically, Sony has more multiplayer focused games on PS4 than MS does with xbone (much like PS4 has more of every other type of game as well)

This thread is a false claim based on fanboy arguments for last gen. The argument in this thread does not hold up to reality and it can easily be proven.

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#27 Alucard_Prime
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@spicymeatball27: Holy shit State of Decay 2 has coop too?!...looks like you're right I just checked its 4 players coop! That was the biggest thing missing from first game, it needed coop and was still great solo but thats awesome I didn't even bother to check I just assumed it was solo like first game.

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#28  Edited By loe12k
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@sts106mat said:
@hitmanactual said:

TC wishes Sony had more of his type of MP games because he wants to defect and change sides.

If he doesn't want to change sides then why the **** would it matter to him what types of games Sony has?

Lol Lemmings.

because they started charging for online play but are relying on multiplats for the online modes.

imagine an online SOCOM game again.

where is the Ace Combat we were promised? AC was a playstation exclusive at one time, yet last gen the x360 got an exclusive ace combat with multiplayer mode too!

Uncharted 4 MP mode definitely feels tacked on and i'd had enough of it after about 3 hours.

Meanwhile xbox gamers have games like halo, gears, forza MS / Horizon all of which have superb MP modes. there are of course other games with MP too. but Fact is most of the MS games shown at E3 were shown to have MP modes and some even cross play with other several systems. yet the sony ones concentrated on SP types. I personally prefer SP games, but i do enjoy games with Good online modes.

@Salt_The_Fries is absolutely right to wonder wtf they are playing at.

I hate single player only games after 8 hours you finished, what next? Games cost a lot i want value. I don't care how good the single player experience is i prefer a game that i can play for months on end.

Quantum Break suffered by not having an online experience.

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#30 badtaker
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@SecretPolice said:

Because Sony fans require much handholding. lol :P

rofl

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#31  Edited By loe12k
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@sts106mat said:
@loe12k said:
@sts106mat said:
@hitmanactual said:

TC wishes Sony had more of his type of MP games because he wants to defect and change sides.

If he doesn't want to change sides then why the **** would it matter to him what types of games Sony has?

Lol Lemmings.

because they started charging for online play but are relying on multiplats for the online modes.

imagine an online SOCOM game again.

where is the Ace Combat we were promised? AC was a playstation exclusive at one time, yet last gen the x360 got an exclusive ace combat with multiplayer mode too!

Uncharted 4 MP mode definitely feels tacked on and i'd had enough of it after about 3 hours.

Meanwhile xbox gamers have games like halo, gears, forza MS / Horizon all of which have superb MP modes. there are of course other games with MP too. but Fact is most of the MS games shown at E3 were shown to have MP modes and some even cross play with other several systems. yet the sony ones concentrated on SP types. I personally prefer SP games, but i do enjoy games with Good online modes.

@Salt_The_Fries is absolutely right to wonder wtf they are playing at.

I hate single player only games after 8 hours you finished, what next? Games cost a lot i want value. I don't care how good the single player experience is i prefer a game that i can play for months on end.

Quantum Break suffered by not having an online experience.

80hours in witcher 3, still not finished.

200 hours in skyrim / oblivion etc. not all SP games are short.

though many are of course.

QB would have had a terribly shit tacked on MP mode.

All games that don't require multiplayer not good examples to be honest. Open world games is the one exception i think to the rule.

Still could have Co-op modes maybe?

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#32 Heil68
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@Douevenlift_bro said:
@Slashkice said:

Sony not forcing their devs to include multiplayer for the sake of it is a good thing. Developers should make their games as they envision them.

/thread.

not to mention AAAAE 10/10 most recent excluive Uncharted 4 is coming out with coop!

SONY wins again.

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#33 Zero_epyon
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@SolidTy said:

@Salt_The_Fries: Because then they would be catering to you and your ilk and getting their ass kicked worldwide in sales.

Should Sony follow your set out plan for them?

Besides, they actually do have MP games (TLOU is an incredibly MP experience, not that you'd know as it's on PS), but you simply aren't looking at them.

Also, and most importantly:

@Slashkice said:

Sony not forcing their devs to include multiplayer for the sake of it is a good thing. Developers should make their games as they envision them.

Both of these and I'd like to add that Uncharted 4, their biggest exclusive this gen, has MP and is getting Co-Op in a few months.

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#34  Edited By casharmy
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*see all lemmings eager to agree and spam on false claim of OP*

Ok guys, this is you're claim...but I don't see any evidence to back this up, however I see tons of fanboy followers patting themselves on the back in agreement.

why don't you guys agreeing with the TC's argument put your money where your mouth is and list the co-op and multiplayer focused games on xbone that aren't available on PS4 to see if you guy can actually support your claims or if you guys are just talking baseless nonsense again trying to spread misinformation due to your fanboyism.

Balls in your court TC (or any xbox dude who agreed with the OP with no evidence to support his claim)

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#35 BigBadBully
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It doesn't really matter anymore. Ps4 lack of multiplayer and co-op was a huge deterrent at launch. Now it's cheap and I can do all my multiplayer/co op gaming on xbox one and not worry about buying a Playstation plus fee and enjoy the single player games.

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#36 Zero_epyon
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@BigBadBully said:

It doesn't really matter anymore. Ps4 lack of multiplayer and co-op was a huge deterrent at launch. Now it's cheap and I can do all my multiplayer/co op gaming on xbox one and not worry about buying a Playstation plus fee and enjoy the single player games.

Are you saying you need PS+ to play single player games?

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#37 Chutebox
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Why do you care about them? You'd just find something else to bitch about that doesn't concern you.

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#38 casharmy
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@Heil68 said:
@Douevenlift_bro said:
@Slashkice said:

Sony not forcing their devs to include multiplayer for the sake of it is a good thing. Developers should make their games as they envision them.

/thread.

not to mention AAAAE 10/10 most recent excluive Uncharted 4 is coming out with coop!

SONY wins again.

Here is something else that is cool that xbox fanboys didn't know...that game also has multiplayer.

It's not their fault though, xbox fanboys aren't really gamers, as corporate shill we have to forgive lemmings for being completely ignorant about anything factual concerning games. We just have to get used to dealing with idiotic threads like this because the users making the arguments make posts based on what they want and feel and not reality.

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#39 Zero_epyon
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Here's a small list of games that include multiplayer and/or coop

Killzone Shadowfall

Little Big Planet 3

Bloodborne

The Last Of Us

Uncharted 4

No Mans Sky

Drive Club

Planetside 2

Street Fighter 5

These are just a few I can think of.

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#40  Edited By casharmy
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@Chutebox said:

Why do you care about them? You'd just find something else to bitch about that doesn't concern you.

His claim is factually false however, so this argument isn't even something he can bitch about.

Note there was nothing in his post to back up the OP claim and no one has taken the challenge of actually listing the co-op/multiplat games on xbone that aren't on PS4 to prove the point because they already know I am prepared to destroy another lie/myth xbox fanboys like to push out of fanboyism.

This is a last gen argument that lems are tying to lean on and it doesn't even come close to panning out. xbone barely has any games not also available on PS4 as it is so it's pretty easy to tell all the people who are trying to stand behind this argument are just as clueless and delusional as the TC.

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#41  Edited By BigBadBully
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@Zero_epyon: No, meant I can enjoy the singleplayer titles on PS4 without having to spend money on ps+ subscription. If I need co-op/multi then I can just do that on xbl. So really a non-issue that Sony doesn't have multiplayer/co-op centric exclusives/console exclusives. At launch it was but with prices coming down its not hard to own multiple consoles to get your fix on certain genres.

Co-op/Multi for xbox one:

RYSE

DEAD Rising 3

Titanfall

FORZA Horizon 2/Forza 5/6

Sunset Overdrive

Halo 5/MCC

Castle Crashers Remastered

So I guess it doesn't really come down PS4 not having multi/co-op games just what genres you like. Also in ps4 favor is Helldivers and alienation.

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#42 Zero_epyon
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@BigBadBully said:

@Zero_epyon: No, meant I can enjoy the singleplayer titles on PS4 without having to spend money on ps+ subscription. If I need co-op/multi then I can just do that on xbl. So really a non-issue that Sony doesn't have multiplayer/co-op centric exclusives/console exclusives. At launch it was but with prices coming down its not hard to own multiple consoles to get your fix on certain genres.

Ok gotcha.

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#43 Kruiz_Bathory
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I like the fact TC just ditched his thread. Just to reply "let me alone" instead of backing his first post.

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#44  Edited By AzatiS
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You talking to the company that brought MMORPGs on consoles first ? Shake your head salty !

@Kruiz_Bathory said:

I like the fact TC just ditched his thread. Just to reply "let me alone" instead of backing his first post.

He is a well known lem currently in damage control ... currently = the last 3 years

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#45 Heil68
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@Zero_epyon said:

Here's a small list of games that include multiplayer and/or coop

Killzone Shadowfall

Little Big Planet 3

Bloodborne

The Last Of Us

Uncharted 4

No Mans Sky

Drive Club

Planetside 2

Street Fighter 5

These are just a few I can think of.

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@sts106mat said:
@hitmanactual said:

TC wishes Sony had more of his type of MP games because he wants to defect and change sides.

If he doesn't want to change sides then why the **** would it matter to him what types of games Sony has?

Lol Lemmings.

because they started charging for online play but are relying on multiplats for the online modes.

imagine an online SOCOM game again.

where is the Ace Combat we were promised? AC was a playstation exclusive at one time, yet last gen the x360 got an exclusive ace combat with multiplayer mode too!

Uncharted 4 MP mode definitely feels tacked on and i'd had enough of it after about 3 hours.

Meanwhile xbox gamers have games like halo, gears, forza MS / Horizon all of which have superb MP modes. there are of course other games with MP too. but Fact is most of the MS games shown at E3 were shown to have MP modes and some even cross play with other systems.

yet the sony ones concentrated on SP types. I personally prefer SP games, but i do enjoy games with Good online modes. so whilst i pay sony for PS+ for the occasional game of star wars battlefront, i dont think i get my moneys worth and the free games from both have been lol at best.

@Salt_The_Fries is absolutely right to wonder wtf they are playing at

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#48 kvally
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@mems_1224 said:

That's probably the biggest reason I don't care about Sony franchises. I like good multiplayer games and Playstation has always had very very few of those

Yup, they are not very good in that regard, especially for competitive tournaments.

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#49  Edited By xGhostProtocolx
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there are plenty of MP exclusives on playstation. But what would you know? all you own is an xbox one, you poor bitch.

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#50 Marano94
Member since 2015 • 102 Posts

Recore has coop features? I think sony does better with single player experiences personally, that's why everyone's favorite sony games are single player focused games, no one seems to remember their multiplayer games all that much, and they have third parties to fill that void mostly.