Why don't people realise that Nintendo doesn't care about it's fans?

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

There are some parts that are in First Person, but you still shoot stupid aliens. So it's not really a first person shooter, but it does have some elements ot it, which isn't surprising because there is no way the Wii could handle a real FPS game.

ShadowMoses900

I have played Other M, I bought it when it came out for full price. I sold it the next day because it was SO boring! Just walk around jumping and shooting, that's it. I know Metroid Other M isn't in 1st person, but there are some parts like when your in the elevator. And the Wii has so bad graphics and controls that it could never be a good system for the REAL 1st person shooters. It also has no online mode either so that means it has no chance

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

There are some parts that are in First Person, but you still shoot stupid aliens. So it's not really a first person shooter, but it does have some elements ot it, which isn't surprising because there is no way the Wii could handle a real FPS game.

ShadowMoses900

I have played Other M, I bought it when it came out for full price. I sold it the next day because it was SO boring! Just walk around jumping and shooting, that's it. I know Metroid Other M isn't in 1st person, but there are some parts like when your in the elevator. And the Wii has so bad graphics and controls that it could never be a good system for the REAL 1st person shooters. It also has no online mode either so that means it has no chance

Bad graphics do not matter, the Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube had tons of shooters with 'bad' graphics, didn't they? The Wii, btw, has an online mode, so there goes that out the window. Finally, the Wii's controller is the best suited (in theory) to FPS's out of all consoles' controllers.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] a) It has portions where you can switch to first person mode to scan the environment (I don't mean scan like the Prime games)
b) So, shooting aliens makes it a first person shooter comparable to Killzone and Halo? :lol:
c) Of course it could handle an FPS. Have you played Metroid Prime 3, for instance?
d) You have not played Metroid: Other M. In fact, I doubt you have played ANY Wii game except for maybe Brawl. I suspect you're just making things up to validate your irrational hate for Nintendo.

charizard1605

I have played Other M, I bought it when it came out for full price. I sold it the next day because it was SO boring! Just walk around jumping and shooting, that's it. I know Metroid Other M isn't in 1st person, but there are some parts like when your in the elevator. And the Wii has so bad graphics and controls that it could never be a good system for the REAL 1st person shooters. It also has no online mode either so that means it has no chance

Bad graphics do not matter, the Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube had tons of shooters with 'bad' graphics, didn't they? The Wii, btw, has an online mode, so there goes that out the window. Finally, the Wii's controller is the best suited (in theory) to FPS's out of all consoles' controllers.

Doesn't matter if you don't think I played other M or not, it doesn't change the fact that there are better shooters out there. Both 1st person and 3rd person.

Grpahics do matter, they show how powerful the game is, and if it looks great it's more immersive. If a game doesn't look like Uncharted 2 than I reconsider buying it. They do matter end of story and everyone wishes the Wii was better. And the Wii online is a joke compared to EVERY other online service out there. And no, the Wii mote is no where near as good as the PS3 dual shock or any other controller out there in FPS.

I know, I did a study....

Doesn't matter if you don't think I played other M or not, it doesn't change the fact that there are better shooters out there. Both 1st person and 3rd person.

Grpahics do matter, they show how powerful the game is, and if it looks great it's more immersive. If a game doesn't look like Uncharted 2 than I reconsider buying it. They do matter end of story and everyone wishes the Wii was better. And the Wii online is a joke compared to EVERY other online service out there. And no, the Wii mote is no where near as good as the PS3 dual shock or any other controller out there in FPS.

I know, I did a study....

ShadowMoses900

But ShadowMoses, Other M isn't either a FPS or a TPS :lol:

And graphics are a dealbreaker for you? How could you have ever gamed in the earlier generations? You have been spoiled by the greatest gimmick of all.

This thread is too much.:lol:

Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank are platformers? Heck no.Then you go on saying that Little Big Planet (which isn't a good platformer BTW) is better thengame you said you haven't played.:lol: Kirby might not be a hard series (at least from the ones I played)but most of the games you can die and they still offer a simple and fun platformer, a lot better then LBP.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Doesn't matter if you don't think I played other M or not, it doesn't change the fact that there are better shooters out there. Both 1st person and 3rd person.

Grpahics do matter, they show how powerful the game is, and if it looks great it's more immersive. If a game doesn't look like Uncharted 2 than I reconsider buying it. They do matter end of story and everyone wishes the Wii was better. And the Wii online is a joke compared to EVERY other online service out there. And no, the Wii mote is no where near as good as the PS3 dual shock or any other controller out there in FPS.

I know, I did a study....

mmmwksil

But ShadowMoses, Other M isn't either a FPS or a TPS :lol:

And graphics are a dealbreaker for you? How could you have ever gamed in the earlier generations? You have been spoiled by the greatest gimmick of all.

What do you do in Other M exactly? Oh that's right you SHOOT aliens! And in what perspective do you do it in? Oh that's right BEHIND the person! And in some parts 1st person! That makes it a TPS and in some parts a FPS. But it's terribly done....

Graphics arn't the end-all-be-all, great games are still fun to play like the old Nintendo games. Back when you know, Nintendo was ACTUALLY good and listened to thier fans! But graphics do matter, sorry they do.

This thread is too much.:lol:

Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank are platformers? Heck no.Then you go on saying that Little Big Planet (which isn't a good platformer BTW) is better thengame you said you haven't played.:lol: Kirby might not be a hard series (at least from the ones I played)but most of the games you can die and they still offer a simple and fun platformer, a lot better then LBP.

Wanderer5

Like I said I did a study that shows otherwise, you can deny all you want....

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

This thread is too much.:lol:

Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank are platformers? Heck no.Then you go on saying that Little Big Planet (which isn't a good platformer BTW) is better thengame you said you haven't played.:lol: Kirby might not be a hard series (at least from the ones I played)but most of the games you can die and they still offer a simple and fun platformer, a lot better then LBP.

ShadowMoses900

Like I said I did a study that shows otherwise, you can deny all you want....

WHeres this study?! Was it created on SW's?!

WHeres this study?! Was it created on SW's?!

Dibdibdobdobo

Yes and with a sony fanboy pen.:P

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Doesn't matter if you don't think I played other M or not, it doesn't change the fact that there are better shooters out there. Both 1st person and 3rd person.

Grpahics do matter, they show how powerful the game is, and if it looks great it's more immersive. If a game doesn't look like Uncharted 2 than I reconsider buying it. They do matter end of story and everyone wishes the Wii was better. And the Wii online is a joke compared to EVERY other online service out there. And no, the Wii mote is no where near as good as the PS3 dual shock or any other controller out there in FPS.

I know, I did a study....

ShadowMoses900

But ShadowMoses, Other M isn't either a FPS or a TPS :lol:

And graphics are a dealbreaker for you? How could you have ever gamed in the earlier generations? You have been spoiled by the greatest gimmick of all.

What do you do in Other M exactly? Oh that's right you SHOOT aliens! And in what perspective do you do it in? Oh that's right BEHIND the person! And in some parts 1st person! That makes it a TPS and in some parts a FPS. But it's terribly done....

Graphics arn't the end-all-be-all, great games are still fun to play like the old Nintendo games. Back when you know, Nintendo was ACTUALLY good and listened to thier fans! But graphics do matter, sorry they do.

Wrong, pal. The perspective isn't from behind Samus 99% of the time. It's done at various angles because the primary gameplay is exploration and platforming.

Graphics are far below the other parts that make up a game. When you put graphics on top, you end up with lower quality products. More polish, but less substance. *coughUnchartedcough*

If a game doesn't look like Uncharted 2 than I reconsider buying it.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

WHeres this study?! Was it created on SW's?!

Wanderer5

Yes andwith a sony fanboy pen.:P

Do they sell these pens in stores?

I looked online, but this is all I could find.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

No company cares about its fans...just sometimes what makes them money benefits the fans.

peterw007

exactly. you're forgetting how this relationship works. Nintendo (like all companies) wants to make gobs and gobs of money. They are making said gobs of money, however they aren't making it off of you at the moment. The "casuals" are making them that money so they are focusing on them. When (or if) that well dries up they will return. For your money (like businesses want).

You do realize that there are developers out there who actually make games...because they love making games?

Not everybody who works at Nintendo is a money-oriented corporatist.

A lot of top Nintendo designers, (Miyamoto, Shigesato Itoi to name a few) actually think of making games as a hobby, not an obligation.

Satoru Iwata (the CEO of Nintendo) is the executive producer on almost all Nintendo-made games in the last few years... not just another guy in a suit.

Can't say the same thing about Kotick or Riccitello.

If Nintendo owns the IP and publishes/develops it then Iwata will always be the last name you see in the Credits.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

WHeres this study?! Was it created on SW's?!

peterw007

Yes andwith a sony fanboy pen.:P

Do they sell these pens in stores?

I looked online, but this is all I could find.

I wannabe a Sony Fanboy but only if i get a keyring.

I got a Yoshi Keyring for being a Nintendo Fanboy.

MS Dont give me anything :-(

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

WHeres this study?! Was it created on SW's?!

Wanderer5

Yes and with a sony fanboy pen.:P

No, I did it on my college campus if you must know. I simply asked a bunch of people to an undergroundplaystation"party" (really a scientific observation) in one of the crowded areas of the campus. I asked people what system they played and I wrote down and calculated all the numbers, and Wii players couldn't get to the party like the other groups could because they couldn't navigate the crowds. If they had better training than they would have been able to control themselves and navigate the crowd. But alas only 12%! of Wii players made it! The Wii didn't "train" them for that situation... unlike everyone else.

My findings were indisputable too btw, I even did it as a presentation in my science class and I think I passed!

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

But ShadowMoses, Other M isn't either a FPS or a TPS :lol:

And graphics are a dealbreaker for you? How could you have ever gamed in the earlier generations? You have been spoiled by the greatest gimmick of all.

mmmwksil

What do you do in Other M exactly? Oh that's right you SHOOT aliens! And in what perspective do you do it in? Oh that's right BEHIND the person! And in some parts 1st person! That makes it a TPS and in some parts a FPS. But it's terribly done....

Graphics arn't the end-all-be-all, great games are still fun to play like the old Nintendo games. Back when you know, Nintendo was ACTUALLY good and listened to thier fans! But graphics do matter, sorry they do.

Wrong, pal. The perspective isn't from behind Samus 99% of the time. It's done at various angles because the primary gameplay is exploration and platforming.

Graphics are far below the other parts that make up a game. When you put graphics on top, you end up with lower quality products. More polish, but less substance. *coughUnchartedcough*

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"] If a game doesn't look like Uncharted 2 than I reconsider buying it.Stringerboy

This must be a troll topic, it has to be.

No, how does giving your opinion mean someone is trolling?

Let's get one thing straight: Nintendo is a Japanese company, meaning that it cares about and caters way more to the fans in the Asian market than it does to those in the western world. Because the culture over there is very based around sequels to its games, that is the primary reason that it chooses not to experiment very often w/new IPs. Instead, that is almost 99% of the time left up to 3rd party publishers and developers. Likewise, Tecmo, Namco, Capcom, SEGA, SE, etc. are all about flooding the market with sequels. Sure, western game developers and publishers do this, too, but not as frequently as the Japanese do. In a sense, Nintendo DOES listen to its fans because a lot of those kids like familiar games a lot, as do many Japanese gamers. And, of course, there are some gamers who like playing a Nintendo game, here and there, possibly to instill some nostalgia into their minds. However, the primary point is that it works. There is a huge enough appeal to these games that Nintendo will never really ever need to do much w/its 1st party lineup to beat out its competition.Mawy_Golomb

Yes...people seem to forget that at the end of the day, Nintendo's Japanese dev. studios don't care about America in the slightest.

They make what games they feel epitomize fun for all ages. Does it really have to be any more complicated than that?

When Japanese developers get deluded by Western ideas (see Other M), the results are disastrous.

Honestly, the Japanese are best telling either Japanese-styled stories (Yakuza, Persona) or none at all.

Let's get one thing straight: Nintendo is a Japanese company, meaning that it cares about and caters way more to the fans in the Asian market than it does to those in the western world. Because the culture over there is very based around sequels to its games, that is the primary reason that it chooses not to experiment very often w/new IPs. Instead, that is almost 99% of the time left up to 3rd party publishers and developers. Likewise, Tecmo, Namco, Capcom, SEGA, SE, etc. are all about flooding the market with sequels. Sure, western game developers and publishers do this, too, but not as frequently as the Japanese do. In a sense, Nintendo DOES listen to its fans because a lot of those kids like familiar games a lot, as do many Japanese gamers. And, of course, there are some gamers who like playing a Nintendo game, here and there, possibly to instill some nostalgia into their minds. However, the primary point is that it works. There is a huge enough appeal to these games that Nintendo will never really ever need to do much w/its 1st party lineup to beat out its competition.Mawy_Golomb

Although Nintendo had more New IPs this gen then any other Publisher.

Just about 50% of them were Japan-only and the ones that actually released in the West 25% of the New IPs were Casual friendly titles. But Nintendo did release a lot of Core New IPs.

Most of them are on the Handhelds and no body really pays attention to Handhelds on System Wars.

Fun Fact: Nintendo has published games for the with a better Metacritic avg. than the games they published last gen for the Gamecube with the count being

50 GC games = 74.66 MC AVG.

to

48 Wii games = 74.93 MC AVG.

So yes, nintendo is giving me what I want by releasing these great games.

[QUOTE="Mawy_Golomb"]Let's get one thing straight: Nintendo is a Japanese company, meaning that it cares about and caters way more to the fans in the Asian market than it does to those in the western world. Because the culture over there is very based around sequels to its games, that is the primary reason that it chooses not to experiment very often w/new IPs. Instead, that is almost 99% of the time left up to 3rd party publishers and developers. Likewise, Tecmo, Namco, Capcom, SEGA, SE, etc. are all about flooding the market with sequels. Sure, western game developers and publishers do this, too, but not as frequently as the Japanese do. In a sense, Nintendo DOES listen to its fans because a lot of those kids like familiar games a lot, as do many Japanese gamers. And, of course, there are some gamers who like playing a Nintendo game, here and there, possibly to instill some nostalgia into their minds. However, the primary point is that it works. There is a huge enough appeal to these games that Nintendo will never really ever need to do much w/its 1st party lineup to beat out its competition.peterw007

Yes...people seem to forget that at the end of the day, Nintendo's Japanese dev. studios don't care about America in the slightest.

They make what games they feel epitomize fun for all ages. Does it really have to be any more complicated than that?

When Japanese developers get deluded by Western ideas (see Other M), the result is disastrous.

Honestly, the Japanese are best telling either Japanese-**** stories (Yakuza, Persona) or none at all.

Please tell me you did not just go there. First of all, the Metroid Series hit its renaissance when Nintendo handed it off to a developer based out of TEXAS (Retro Studios). Other M is probably the least Western-influenced Metroid game ever made, which is part of why it is so highly criticized! Other M was basically a dumbed down version of Devil May Cry (which I remind you, is a VERY Japanese game) with lots of long, linear gameplay progression with unskippable pre-rendered cutscenes (Final Fantasy), a shy heroine with co-dependency issues (90% of anime), and a convoluted storyline full of loose ends, plot holes and random twists (Metal Gear Solid). That does not sound at all like chasing after Western trends-- if anything, it's the exact opposite!

I'd argue that Metroid: Other M is the MOST Japanese Metroid game ever made. I think ignoring that most Metroid fans are from the west was Nintendo's biggest mistake with Other M. Sakamoto wanted to make a Metroid game that would establish Metroid's popularity in Japan, because that would mean less pandering to the West and more control over the franchise for himself. The game was a sales dud though, so it seems quite likely that Nintendo will hand it over to a western studio again when it comes time to do another console-based iteration, be it a return to Retro Studios or another Western studio.

Seems like this thread has turned into, it sucks unless it has the best graphics I have ever seen. What a sad world where it doesn't matter if you are having fun becuase you better forget all that fun and block it out if it isn't beautiful. And to keep saying that the majority of people think galaxy 2 isn't all that good when it is the highest rated platformer is really showing that you might be making a mistake somewhere

You want a game that is all polish and no substance? Look no further than Other M. You can run through a series of admin-controlled hamster tubes and mash away on the attack button and d-pad, or clumsily twist your wrist to fire missiles at the screen. It's more like playing a dumbed-down version of Ninja Gaiden with the Smash Bros. version of Samus than it is like playing an actual Metroid game, which is why I think Uncharted is leagues better. Metroid Prime is the adventure game king, but Other M is a pretty darned easy game to top-- it's really not even in the adventure game genre anyway, since as mentioned previously it's a clone of Ninja Gaiden where you play as Samus.

Timstuff

You're welcome to think that of Other M. You're also welcome to prefer Uncharted over it.

I was pointing out how Other M was not a TPS, nothing more. And my opinion is that Uncharted is all flash, no substance. It receives praise for lifelessly mimicking Hollywood action junk cinema.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have played Other M, I bought it when it came out for full price. I sold it the next day because it was SO boring! Just walk around jumping and shooting, that's it. I know Metroid Other M isn't in 1st person, but there are some parts like when your in the elevator. And the Wii has so bad graphics and controls that it could never be a good system for the REAL 1st person shooters. It also has no online mode either so that means it has no chance

ShadowMoses900

Bad graphics do not matter, the Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube had tons of shooters with 'bad' graphics, didn't they? The Wii, btw, has an online mode, so there goes that out the window. Finally, the Wii's controller is the best suited (in theory) to FPS's out of all consoles' controllers.

Doesn't matter if you don't think I played other M or not, it doesn't change the fact that there are better shooters out there. Both 1st person and 3rd person.

Grpahics do matter, they show how powerful the game is, and if it looks great it's more immersive. If a game doesn't look like Uncharted 2 than I reconsider buying it. They do matter end of story and everyone wishes the Wii was better. And the Wii online is a joke compared to EVERY other online service out there. And no, the Wii mote is no where near as good as the PS3 dual shock or any other controller out there in FPS.

I know, I did a study....

Please tell me you did not just go there. First of all, the Metroid Series hit its renaissance when Nintendo handed it off to a developer based out of TEXAS (Retro Studios). Other M is probably the least Western-influenced Metroid game ever made, which is part of why it is so highly criticized! Other M was basically a dumbed down version of Devil May Cry (which I remind you, is a VERY Japanese game) with lots of long, linear gameplay progression with unskippable pre-rendered cutscenes (Final Fantasy), a shy heroine with co-dependency issues (90% of anime), and a convoluted storyline full of loose ends, plot holes and random twists (Metal Gear Solid). That does not sound at all like chasing after Western trends-- if anything, it's the exact opposite!

I'd argue that Metroid: Other M is the MOST Japanese Metroid game ever made. I think ignoring that most Metroid fans are from the west was Nintendo's biggest mistake with Other M. Sakamoto wanted to make a Metroid game that would establish Metroid's popularity in Japan, because that would mean less pandering to the West and more control over the franchise for himself. The game was a sales dud though, so it seems quite likely that Nintendo will hand it over to a western studio again when it comes time to do another console-based iteration, be it a return to Retro Studios or another Western studio.

Timstuff

I reckon you haven't played very many Japanese games then.

You're implying that all Japanese games have "shy heroines with co-dependency issues" and "convoluted storylines," and that only through "Westernization" was the Metroid franchise so great.

Contrary to popular opinion, genuine Japanese games (released in Japan only) rarely have any of the so-called issues you mention.

The Japanese hate convoluted storylines and plot holes just as much as we Americans do--the problem ultimately stems from Sakamoto and his team and their poor scripts.

Perhaps what I most hate is when people attempt to label the Japanese according to certain stereotypes, like their style of development is somehow fundamentally inferior to the west.

Sakamoto simply wanted Other M to be a more "story-based," "cinematic" game akin to those released in the west in high frequencies.

Obviously, he failed in the story department and caused a lot of mess.

What an original thread.

I'm going to skip the obvious "Its a corporation". If Nintendo truly didn't care about core gamers, then games like Skyward Sword or Donkey Kong Country Returns wouldn't exist.meetroid8

I'm going to skip the obvious "Its a corporation". If Nintendo truly didn't care about core gamers, then games like Skyward Sword or Donkey Kong Country Returns wouldn't exist.meetroid8

Great job SW, you compared two random games and actually made it into a logical arguement. Though only one of you are correct.

They could be fans of the series themselves. Retro Studios is full of people that are huge Donkey Kong Country fans and they wanted to work on Donkey Kong Country Returns. The President of Retro wanted to work on that series again since he worked on it when he was at Nintendo of America.Nintendo_Ownes7

As far as Xenoblade blame operation rainfall who kept pushing and pushing for a game nobody was going to buy in Pandoras tower and made them look greedy asking for 3 games that are big risk to take anway

As far as not caring of course they dont none of them care.. I'd say microsoft cares the least out of any of them

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]I'm going to skip the obvious "Its a corporation". If Nintendo truly didn't care about core gamers, then games like Skyward Sword or Donkey Kong Country Returns wouldn't exist.JohnF111

[QUOTE="Mawy_Golomb"]Let's get one thing straight: Nintendo is a Japanese company, meaning that it cares about and caters way more to the fans in the Asian market than it does to those in the western world. Because the culture over there is very based around sequels to its games, that is the primary reason that it chooses not to experiment very often w/new IPs. Instead, that is almost 99% of the time left up to 3rd party publishers and developers. Likewise, Tecmo, Namco, Capcom, SEGA, SE, etc. are all about flooding the market with sequels. Sure, western game developers and publishers do this, too, but not as frequently as the Japanese do. In a sense, Nintendo DOES listen to its fans because a lot of those kids like familiar games a lot, as do many Japanese gamers. And, of course, there are some gamers who like playing a Nintendo game, here and there, possibly to instill some nostalgia into their minds. However, the primary point is that it works. There is a huge enough appeal to these games that Nintendo will never really ever need to do much w/its 1st party lineup to beat out its competition.Nintendo_Ownes7

But Nintendo did release a lot of Core New IPs.

Most of them are on the Handhelds and no body really pays attention to Handhelds on System Wars.

Why don't people realize that gaming is about playing good games and that Nintendo makes good games?

Corporations, specifically those who deal with consumer products care about market trends, new technology and making a profits. Nintendo fans are lucky that they continually make high quality games with well known characters. I could be happier with a new IP that wasn't along the Wii Sports line, but that's a small quibble.

plain and simple , you just said it in your topic.... Because they are fans. :)

If i had Wii i would be upset with the overall library AND with the early death of the system... period.

Its fact it is THE FIRST GENERATION SINCE ATARI 2600 that the first (wii) dies/will die first and has the worst multi and 3rd party support vs the dead third ( PS3 ). Never , ever happened before , im gaming since atari 2600 and i never seen such thing before.

So who wont see/face or even admit the truth or simple facts? Fans. There isnt worse thing to be a fan when it comes to system wars , or whatever '"war". Since you cant think clearly and be unbiased.

About 3DS i cant say nothing. Its too early to judge the system. Ill talk about it in a year or 2. I dont hear good things but lets wait .

Why don't people realize that gaming is about playing good games and that Nintendo makes good games?

Corporations, specifically those who deal with consumer products care about market trends, new technology and making a profits. Nintendo fans are lucky that they continually make high quality games with well known characters. I could be happier with a new IP that wasn't along the Wii Sports line, but that's a small quibble.

jimkabrhel

2nd analog stick and price cut shows they do care.

I don't think you can fault Nintendo necessarily for only having one Zelda game out this generation and no I'm not talking about Twilight but Skyward Sword, if the game is great it shouldn't matter how long it takes in the end. As for the HD experience as I can remember many Nintendo fans didn't care about it back in 2007. The Xenoblade thing, well it would have been nice for them to bring it but it made no financial sense, especially the way it's been selling in Europe. The 3DS? It's been a botched launch, nobody is disagreeing with that but at least they are trying to rectify that and have made it public how dumb they were and are sorry for it.greenskittles

I thought Xenoblade sold well at launch, almost selling out or something, not sure.