"Why Dota Sucks" - A dismemberment of the Dota genre

Are you suggesting that "Multiplayer online battle arena" is descriptive enough to distinguish League of Legends from Quake 3: Arena? How so?

The genre is called MOBA, stupid article writer

Also Heroes of the Storm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LoL and Dota 2

Heroes of the Storm is terrible, lol. I can easily see it being another Diablo 3-tier flop for Blizzard.

Heroes of the Storm is terrible, lol. I can easily see it being another Diablo 3-tier flop for Blizzard.

What arguments?

As we have already mentioned, modifications of the game and the game engine could not be disseminated for use on Battle.net. This meant that most custom maps were standardized around the user interface, control scheme, and game concepts in Warcraft III. Most damningly, the Warcraft III game engine does not provide native access for the “mouselook”34 mechanics now synonymous with first- and third-person action games on personal computers.35 But in addition, the peer-to-peer networking technology used for online play in most RTS games is designed for a game model with a large number of moving parts. Action games with fewer moving parts use a client-side prediction model to minimize the effects of networking latency, and not only could Battle.net not provide this benefit, the service (as designed for Warcraft III) uses a quarter-second hard-coded internet delay. While this was intended to prevent players from gaining a substantial advantage with a better internet connection, it discouraged the adoption of the concepts that are a mainstay in other excellent action games. And while the Warcraft III game engine has hosted concepts ranging from first-person shooters to Diablo-style action games, custom keyboard layouts (and the maps that used them) never caught on because they generate substantial input latency.36

So hopefully, you understand where I am going with this. It didn’t matter what game it was: Warcraft II, StarCraft,Warcraft III. Blizzard mapmakers were influenced by incredible restrictions at every step of the way, and not the kind we typically associate with the design of videogames, where designers attempted to overcome the technical limitations presented by limited hardware. Things that were considered common in other genres were impossible to distribute through Battle.net and impossible to perform in the various Blizzard RTS game engines. The result is that dota is a rarity and oddball within videogames. It is one of only two genres whose rules were foremost defined by software limitations—the limitations of Blizzard game engines and their content creation tools—instead of hardware limitations.37 Every time that Blizzard custom maps made their grand leap, there was simply another set of barriers that got in the way of “building the best game possible”.

The beginning of chapter 2 provides needed historical context. Chapter 1 addresses the barriers placed on critiquing the dota genre (i.e how skilled do you need to be and how much playtime is necessary before you can critique Dota 2), and the role of esports in placing that barrier.

Except people actually like the HotS beta and people want it to go to open beta XD

ofcourse they do.... I'm not wrong in remembering you as a massive blizzard fanboy am I ? your like apple fans... blizzard could show you a turd at blizzcon and it would be a winner.

hell, they managed to make one of the most shallow money grubbing card games with a ridiculous RNG mode and its played in the thens of thousands at a time. (note, not saying its a bad gaming... but as far as card games go its friggin shallow.).

I dont see it being a patch on DoTA 2 or even LoL at this point.

It's an identifier, nothing more. Just like 99% of video games in the RPG genre that are hilariously shallow and undeserving compared to a tabletop RPG like Pathfinder or Dungeons and Dragons.

This in no way explains "Why Dota Sucks" or has anything to do with the gameplay itself. It's merely a weak placeholder for the lack of a substantial argument. Why you would choose to link an incomplete critique is beyond me.

did it ever occur to you.... that despite those limitations people enjoyed it? and to dumb down/simplify it further would of taken away that "spark" that came with the whole concept?

yes its hard to deny that some of DoTA's gameplay only exists because there were no good design-work arounds.... but again, part of its charm in the long run, better design often leads to simplification.... not everything needs to be simplified especially when the whole Idea is to challenge the player.

The overall game design concept was fantastic and has stuck... and is now what the biggest genre in gaming... time to accept reality. his crap about "oh these modders somehow made something more popular than a massive games company IS WRONG" attitude is pathetic....

DOTA is a very specific type of MOBA. There are MOBAs like SMITE and BLC that have nothing to do with lane defense.

True. I don't understand why we need fancy utilities such as multiple unit select, build queues, and waypoints in RTSes. Someone get Icefrog to develop the next LOLESPORT RTS Dune II clone. You clowns would eat that shit up.

We call them jRPGs because they share fundamental components of roleplaying games, regardless of how "shallow" they are. How about this for an identifier: MONCF (Multiplayer Online Nursery Cesspool Frolicking).

It's easier to digest and comment on each chapter one at a time, as opposed to all thirteen at once. It was misleading for me to refer to them as articles, but taking a look at the book format should clarify this.

Is this really necessary? Anyone with half a brain knows Dota, and the rest of the moba genre are complete and utter crap.

Then why was Mr.twit defending that ARTS was not an appropriate name for the genre? When clearly it shares far more aspects to RTSs, then RPGs do to eachother.

I can't believe you're still trying to argue at all, you're just making a fool of yourself.

Because MOBA games are too distinct (and degenerate) to be considered ARTS. Take the ARTS game, Sacrifice, for example. You control a hero (in the appropriate third-person camera) and various fighting/support units, which you spawn by harvesting souls and capping zones. It's a similar map-controlling mechanism to Wargame's command zones, even when there is no former base building in either games. Remember that you aren't capturing steady resource-producing zones in dota. You don't spawn units other than your hero. There's effectively no micro-management. The income you gain is spent only on items.

I can't even begin to answer your previous questions if you don't have a basic understanding of the RTS genre.

Don't you have an article that you have to be writing?

Just about. I just had to show your mother the way to the bathroom. I'll remind her to pick you up at the nursery after she's done cleaning up.

We call them jRPGs because they share fundamental components of roleplaying games, regardless of how "shallow" they are. How about this for an identifier: MONCF (Multiplayer Online Nursery Cesspool Frolicking).

It's easier to digest and comment on each chapter one at a time, as opposed to all thirteen at once. It was misleading for me to refer to them as articles, but taking a look at the book format should clarify this.

I digress... The popularity of "MOBA"'s as a genre is just a sign and titillation of the downfall of the modern day PC gaymer. When once the PC gamer was a more discerning user.. in fact you could state that the PC gamer was the creme ala cream of the gaming universe personality and population. And now it's obvious that the PC user is but a chum of everyday novelty and sobriety. To put this into more specifics, I shall give sum demonstrations... and examples.

In 1995 the PC gamer was the type of user who was a technological enthusasitic. The type of person who didn't mind blowing quite a lot of money on a nice shiny personal computer.. in a time and era when personal computers in the home were not very personal.. or common. The PC games made for this user were made to match the idea that the user themselves was a gaming enthusiast with a forward thinking mind. Hell the PC gamer would play games with a mouse and keyboard, and even had to potentially know some programming to make a boot disk to make the video game load.

2014.. Everyone has a PC.. everybody. Your grandma, your dad.. your mother.. your sister.. your kids.. and the neighboors.. people in cyber cafes as well. And so the user base for the PC database has influatuated to grand schemes. And with the inflation of the populace of the PC gamer the dumbification of the products which hit the PC market have followed suit.

In my final digressation I would state that the "MOBA" Genre is here to serve the masses of the new generation of dumbed down PC users. No longer shall we see great intelligently made games such as .. DIablo 1, Baldur's Gate etc. Because these types of titles do not fit the user bases mentality. MOBA is a great example representation of the downfall of the PC gaming market and how the PC user base has gone from playing advanced strategy games such as Command and Conquer Red Alert to league of legends..

I digress... The popularity of "MOBA"'s as a genre is just a sign and titillation of the downfall of the modern day PC gaymer. When once the PC gamer was a more discerning user.. in fact you could state that the PC gamer was the creme ala cream of the gaming universe personality and population. And now it's obvious that the PC user is but a chum of everyday novelty and sobriety. To put this into more specifics, I shall give sum demonstrations... and examples.

In 1995 the PC gamer was the type of user who was a technological enthusasitic. The type of person who didn't mind blowing quite a lot of money on a nice shiny personal computer.. in a time and era when personal computers in the home were not very personal.. or common. The PC games made for this user were made to match the idea that the user themselves was a gaming enthusiast with a forward thinking mind. Hell the PC gamer would play games with a mouse and keyboard, and even had to potentially know some programming to make a boot disk to make the video game load.

2014.. Everyone has a PC.. everybody. Your grandma, your dad.. your mother.. your sister.. your kids.. and the neighboors.. people in cyber cafes as well. And so the user base for the PC database has influatuated to grand schemes. And with the inflation of the populace of the PC gamer the dumbification of the products which hit the PC market have followed suit.

In my final digressation I would state that the "MOBA" Genre is here to serve the masses of the new generation of dumbed down PC users. No longer shall we see great intelligently made games such as .. DIablo 1, Baldur's Gate etc. Because these types of titles do not fit the user bases mentality. MOBA is a great example representation of the downfall of the PC gaming market and how the PC user base has gone from playing advanced strategy games such as Command and Conquer Red Alert to league of legends..

I digress... The popularity of "MOBA"'s as a genre is just a sign and titillation of the downfall of the modern day PC gaymer. When once the PC gamer was a more discerning user.. in fact you could state that the PC gamer was the creme ala cream of the gaming universe personality and population. And now it's obvious that the PC user is but a chum of everyday novelty and sobriety. To put this into more specifics, I shall give sum demonstrations... and examples.

In 1995 the PC gamer was the type of user who was a technological enthusasitic. The type of person who didn't mind blowing quite a lot of money on a nice shiny personal computer.. in a time and era when personal computers in the home were not very personal.. or common. The PC games made for this user were made to match the idea that the user themselves was a gaming enthusiast with a forward thinking mind. Hell the PC gamer would play games with a mouse and keyboard, and even had to potentially know some programming to make a boot disk to make the video game load.

2014.. Everyone has a PC.. everybody. Your grandma, your dad.. your mother.. your sister.. your kids.. and the neighboors.. people in cyber cafes as well. And so the user base for the PC database has influatuated to grand schemes. And with the inflation of the populace of the PC gamer the dumbification of the products which hit the PC market have followed suit.

In my final digressation I would state that the "MOBA" Genre is here to serve the masses of the new generation of dumbed down PC users. No longer shall we see great intelligently made games such as .. DIablo 1, Baldur's Gate etc. Because these types of titles do not fit the user bases mentality. MOBA is a great example representation of the downfall of the PC gaming market and how the PC user base has gone from playing advanced strategy games such as Command and Conquer Red Alert to league of legends..

what I'm laughing at is that only one single person in this entire forum has brains the proper size.. sorry to say but dota 2 sucks. If you guys like the game and want to keep continuing the delusion and keep sucking blizzards dicks then that's fine with me. What I do have a a problem with is your massive quantities of stupidity that are lowering the IQ rating of all the intelligent people here, however few there are. I applaud soci for trying to tell the truth to ignorant people. I agree with you completely.