Why Gears 4 and 5 got average reviews ???

Gears 4 and 5 are epic awesome in both sp and mp. Enjoyed both like Gears of War 1-3 ( Yet trilogy series are Editors Choice , not 4 and 5). Judgement was good also.

Is it because Marcus, Cole, Dom are not in the leads? Or is it because critiques love bashing ONE?

Well?

I think gears 4 was arguably a 7. Gears 5 however is a solid 9, if a 10 buck fmv interactive video on PS4 gets an 8.

There's long been silly accusations of bias on GS, but giving g5 a 7 doesn't help....not sure how much better it could be actually.

Huh. Interesting. Now I'm interested to see what I would think. I wasn't sure I was even going to play it, but because I have it on that Game Pass thing I'll give it a whirl. September is jam packed with games though, it'll have to wait a little bit.

They are generic shooters without a good story or great characters. The mechanics are feeling a bit dated. Nobody likes the multiplayer except some of the die-hard Xboners who seldom play it as much as they brag about it. It gets by on graphics , violence , and enough modes to fill a value checklist.

Gears 5 is broken.

My post got deleted I think. Series is stale. Judgement was the worst and they never recovered from that trash game.

For what Gears is, I can't think of anything else they could have done without selling out 100% and undoing everything the game is like other pussy wagons like God of War.

I do believe that not only are people very biased to Xbox and is gotten so political that for most part can't love or hate their games without blow back. I also believe that gamers in general have grown accustom to Sony's brand of story, I have my own theories on why, but won't say cause will turn this from mildly interesting, to people wondering why I think PS4 users are creeps.

Honestly I'm so over it, cause I have PC Game Pass, so I could care less if it plays on Xbox. This is the best PC port of all-time, so I'm in hog heaven as PCMR guy.

@ajstyles: You finished the sp campaign already?

@jcrame10: Do please elaborate.

@sealionact: glitched out mess for me towards the beginning of Act II. I can no longer progress through the game. It’s stuck.

@sealionact: and I guess I’m not the only one

https://forums.gearsofwar.com/t/the-campaign-is-a-glitch-and-bug-filled-mess/23288

The campaign is great, but holy shit, it's buggy. There hasn't been a Gears as buggy as this one.

@jcrame10: I had that as well, but it saved fine the next time. Considering the game isn't actually on general release yet, I'm pretty sure a day one patch will help....calling it broken is a bit of an exaggeration.

@saltslasher: thats a great conspiracy story, do you have more?

@sealionact: I can’t even keep playing the game because of a glitch and you don’t wanna call it broken? Wow lol

@jcrame10: Meh, I'll call it broken if it is...but that's not my experience. I told you, I had the same issue once, and on the next reboot it was fine. It's a big which will get fixed, most probably before it hits the shelves.

@sealionact: I tried reloading the checkpoint 10 or 15 times and nothing changed

Days Gone got a 5.

Where is the bias there?

@Ant_17: My point is that the reviewer stated that 5 was much improved in every way over 4, then still gave it the same middling score. The reviewer who scored Days gave his reasons for scoring it so low.

@sealionact: Seems the negatives are all for the story, so the improvements can't fix bad writing.

Gamespot has made statements several times in the past that when a running series climbs through its inevitable sequels and resonates with the same/similar quality of the first game(s) yet remains stagnant without any evolution or growth as a series, Gamespot will default knock any rating of such a game down a point.

@sealionact: Two different people reviewed 4 and 5. The girl who rated DG low here did it because of ideological reasons that she later revealed on her twitter.

@jaydan: ....and yet the review acknowledged the evolution and growth.

@Ant_17: Welp, I'm only halfway through...but so far the story is engrossing me. It may not be for everybody, but most reviewers and gamers love the game...this reviewer didn't, and that's fine. I certainly wouldn't waste my time with the FMV game that scored higher on PS4...so at the end of the day, it's unimportant what the actual score was here, because the vast majority are enjoying the game. Annoying save bug aside.

In the Gamespot review, it says:

"A lot of the campaign feels like a rehash of earlier Gears games"

So there you go.

Gears 5 is great when I'm shooting enemies. Frustrating af with the Dave bs or having to work out where to go.

So if you don't care for the score, why do you have an issue with the score being 7 or the PS4 game having an 8?

It's a solid game, fun, but it feels dated; controls and cover mechanic are not fluid or dynamic. Compared to the cover mechancis in The Division 2, Gears is a bulky, blundering brute. This is why...

...you knock off a point, even if the game is quality. Not that a game has to be some huge evolution, but it still needs to improve upon (and not just add to) the original. If it does not, well, then it's not really better than preceding games.

Besides, a 7 is a good score. I actually prefer 7's, it means the game might have an endearing quirk or two. I am suspicious of 9's, truth be told.

Hey, I am not the one that makes up the rules for the Gamespot review metric. I can't specifically pull up any articles or interviews where their staff said this, but it is something I've heard them say numerous times over the years.

It's reasons why games like Dark Souls 3 have an 8/10 and why Pokemon games tend to score safe 7-8/10 reviews, because these games are "more the same compared to previous entries in the series without taking serious leaps in its own growth."

It's reasons why Breath of the Wild and God of War score so highly - because they break conventions and make something new.

That's my main quibble with the game at the moment.

Yeah, totally agree with the rule/you.

I mean it makes sense. Sequels are often low-hanging fruit; the story and characters are already there, all you have to do is continue the journey. The enemies/antagonists are there as well. The game world, the art design, culture, all that stuff. Hell even the voice actors are pretty much cast already.

Half-Life 2 is another example of breaking this convention and being rewarded for it; it totally reinvented itself but still stayed reminiscent of the original game, and it is regarded as one of the best games ever made.

@Ant_17: Not really an issue, just answering the OP...

Got it

The series is derivative and doesn't take any risks with gameplay. It's always the same old thing every Gears game that comes out, and the story is underwhelming and lacks any relatable characters. There's a reason it only gets average reviews.

@sealionact: She gave her reasons. And looking at her Twitter account she was basically triggered you were playing as a white male biker. The Sony bias stuff is bullshit.

I sorely miss Marcus, Cole and Dom. I don't think Gears is the same without their funny dialogues. The protagonists in Gears 4 are uninspiring and uninteresting to listen to and play as, and the game gets repetitive and dull pretty fast. It is a 6/10 in my opinion. I haven't played Gears 5 yet, but I think I will replay Gears 1 and 2 before I try it.

Gears 4 just flat out sucked. Gears 5 is a buggy mess with poor level design. It's not hard to understand why these games got low scores.

@r-gamer: Fair enough, but Days didn't exactly get the critics moist. Think most critics gave it a 6.....

has there ever been an example of a good franchise being bought out by another development team and it going well? halo post bungie, gears post epic, fallout post obsidian, far cry post crytek, monkey island post lucasarts... all sucked to varying degrees.

gears 4 was genuinely terrible. was pretty stunned at how poor the campaign was and how far it had veered away from the qualities that made the original trilogy so memorable. expectations for 5 have been close to rock bottom ever since. i'll probably pick up the game pass beta for pc at £1 and try it, more so just to try game pass then for gears specifically though

Retro Studios with Metroid and Donkey Kong Country. (Originally Nintendo and Rare respectively)

EAD Tokyo with the Super Mario games. (Originally EAD Kyoto)

Christian Whitehead with Sonic Mania. (Originally Sonic Team)

Bandai Namco with Super Smash Bros. (Originally HAL Labs)

Next Level Games with Luigi's Mansion. (Originally EAD Kyoto)

@Macutchi: Would be genuinely interested to hear your opinion. Personally, I think it's the best in the series, and the best game anywhere since God of War.

Here's the problem as it seems why Gears hasn't been that good and getting raving reviews. Look at God of War from 1,2,3 & Ascension. Those series have been the same old, same old, Santa Monica at least went in a new direction with God of War 4, doing the same gameplay-wise wasn't gonna cut it, so Santa Monica took a risk and change God of War formula and look how God of War 4 got rave reviews, it even won GOTY, because it took a risk of doing something new.

Gears of War just been more the same and barely changing or evolving at all. Like @DragonfireXZ95 state above, it doesn't take risk and Coalition isn't trying to. I'm using God of War 4 as an example why it went on a new direction that got rave reviews vs Gears 4, 5 reviews. Reviewers are looking or hoping for God of War 4 like with a new direction Gears 5 should have been doing, it's why reviewers are giving Gears 4, 5 average scores but at least it's nowhere near as bad as Crackdown 3 which is a good thing. That said, I'm still enjoying Gears 5 despite the reviews, it doesn't change my opinion on the game itself.

Just finished act III, It's good, not great. Since the story falls around kate most of the originals are only seen here and there, hell even JD, Marcus son isn't in most of the game. Game play wise it's gears you know what to expect but they semi-open world it in the 3rd act for some reason. It should of been linear and had more levels and story to it. The actual story is so so too. It's pretty predictable the entire way. 6.5/10. Would only play again if I'm playing the whole series.

How is 86 on MC average?

It's the same formula, and it has grown stale for a lot of gamers. I'll still enjoy it, but I can totally see why the franchise has lost its luster.

CowShite strikes again. Yeah this site isn't bias at all. LOL

Its very strange to see people complain specifically about this game having the same formula but will tout other games that do the same. As far as I am concern people are in denial about the series as a whole.

Honestly I think Gamespot have been in Sony's pocket for years and have been downgrading MS games ever since.

@xhawk27: you predicted it was gonna be goty and blow everything out of the water.

It flopped on gamespot with a 7/10, sitting at 85 MC and once gamespot’s score gets averaged in, it’ll likely drop to an 84.

You still feeling confident?? It’s merely a typical gears game, nothing more.