[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]So we are going to judge the quality of a game by its advertising budget now?cakeorrdeath
Movies and the Music industry does it. Why can't video games?
No they don't
Oscars aren't dependant on ticket sales neither are 90% of music awards. Not talking about award shows. Award shows don't count for the masses. How many times you disagreed with a award show? Does that make them right and you wrong?
50 Cent Bulletproof... critically poor but sold crazy
Okami... critically acclaimed game but sold poor
Thats why :|
A_zombie
Well if more people enjoy 50 cent than Okami who is to say they are wrong? I used it as example of why we should use review at the beginning of the thread but now I'm starting to think it's kind of arrogant and elitist to say such things. Also I haven't even played 50 cent bulletproof so for all I know I might be one of those people who prefer it to Okami... although given the theme and the fact I don't like the GTA series at all i doubt it.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"] Not talking about award shows. Award shows don't count for the masses. How many times you disagreed with a award show? Does that make them right and you wrong? What is the point of your thread, here? What are you trying to prove? I'm confused.
Me too! What are you talking about? Who determins the quality of movies and music by sales? I garuntee the people who really into either don't.
[QUOTE="Spartan070"]So 50 Cent: Bulletproof is a better game than Ninja Gaiden?shungokustasu
like I said it's not the best system to judge, but Someone might think 50 cent is better than Ninja Gaiden. I mean it sold more than Ninja Gaiden than obviously it had something Ninja Gaiden didn't. no it didnt, your just dumb.
[QUOTE="Spartan070"]So 50 Cent: Bulletproof is a better game than Ninja Gaiden?shungokustasu
like I said it's not the best system to judge, but Someone might think 50 cent is better than Ninja Gaiden. I mean it sold more than Ninja Gaiden than obviously it had something Ninja Gaiden didn't.
Ok an example. Lemmings say Gear of Wars is the best game ever. Cows say Final Fantasy XII is the best ever. how would you settle this? ratings or sales?
Ok an example. Lemmings say Gear of Wars is the best game ever. Cows say Final Fantasy XII is the best ever. how would you settle this? ratings or sales? shungokustasu
Ok an example. Lemmings say Gear of Wars is the best game ever. Cows say Final Fantasy XII is the best ever. how would you settle this? ratings or sales? shungokustasu
They use both...or anything that will make their game look uber.
Ok an example. Lemmings say Gear of Wars is the best game ever. Cows say Final Fantasy XII is the best ever. how would you settle this? ratings or sales? shungokustasu
Neither. When you are moving beyond Excellent it all becomes too subjective.
[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Ok an example. Lemmings say Gear of Wars is the best game ever. Cows say Final Fantasy XII is the best ever. how would you settle this? ratings or sales? natrone06
There is no way to settle it I'll take that. My honest opinion is no way to settle it. However, if I had to say which is better how would an opinionated rating justify that?
Here's the point. Many people buy games that they see advertised on TV or games that have brand name recognition. I believe the majority of people don't look to Gamespot, IGN, or other gaming sites for feedback on a particular game. Red Steel sold well because of their TV commercials. I can't recall seeing an Okami or Viva Pinata commercial. 50 Cent: Bulletproof has name recognition. 50 Cent fans bought the game. This also explains Happy Feet, Cars, Open Season, and the numerous games based on animated movies. People see the movie and loved it so the game must be just as good, right? No, but some people think that way. Sales isn't a good indicator of quality.
[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Ok an example. Lemmings say Gear of Wars is the best game ever. Cows say Final Fantasy XII is the best ever. how would you settle this? ratings or sales? cakeorrdeath
Neither. When you are moving beyond Excellent it all becomes too subjective. This is where I go and you people are now on my level of thinking. You say it's too subjective, but you don't want to think deeper into the matter. Of course we can set a standard on what is best. Do we not say the best horse is the fastest? Do we not say the best mule is the strongest?
[QUOTE="TDLlama"]Here's the point. Many people buy games that they see advertised on TV or games that have brand name recognition. I believe the majority of people don't look to Gamespot, IGN, or other gaming sites for feedback on a particular game. Red Steel sold well because of their TV commercials. I can't recall seeing an Okami or Viva Pinata commercial. 50 Cent: Bulletproof has name recognition. 50 Cent fans bought the game. This also explains Happy Feet, Cars, Open Season, and the numerous games based on animated movies. People see the movie and loved it so the game must be just as good, right? No, but some people think that way. Sales isn't a good indicator of quality. no quality is determine by it's price.
[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Ok an example. Lemmings say Gear of Wars is the best game ever. Cows say Final Fantasy XII is the best ever. how would you settle this? ratings or sales? shungokustasu
Neither. When you are moving beyond Excellent it all becomes too subjective. This is where I go and you people are now on my level of thinking. You say it's too subjective, but you don't want to think deeper into the matter. Of course we can set a standard on what is best. Do we not say the best horse is the fastest? Do we not say the best mule is the strongest?
Do we have a way of saying which song is the greatest? which painting is the best?
Your comparisons involve things with a specific task they are not subjective at all.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"] This is where I go and you people are now on my level of thinking. You say it's too subjective, but you don't want to think deeper into the matter. Of course we can set a standard on what is best. Do we not say the best horse is the fastest? Do we not say the best mule is the strongest? So... you want to develop a way of making games... compete? Like, not from a person's point of view, but an actual competition? How could you possibly do that? I think sales is the best indicator for that. What is the purpose of a video game? enjoyment. How can we determine which game is more enjoyment than others? If 3 million people bought A, and 1 million people bought B, then A has to be the most enjoyed game. Now, like Casey said earlier Not all 3 million people will like the A game, but can't you say the same for the 1 million people who got B game too?
[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"] This is where I go and you people are now on my level of thinking. You say it's too subjective, but you don't want to think deeper into the matter. Of course we can set a standard on what is best. Do we not say the best horse is the fastest? Do we not say the best mule is the strongest? So... you want to develop a way of making games... compete? Like, not from a person's point of view, but an actual competition? How could you possibly do that? I think sales is the best indicator for that. What is the purpose of a video game? enjoyment. How can we determine which game is more enjoyment than others? If 3 million people bought A, and 1 million people bought B, then A has to be the most enjoyed game. Now, like Casey said earlier Not all 3 million people will like the A game, but can't you say the same for the 1 million people who got B game too?
What if people enjoyed game B in less numbers but greater levels than game A?
[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"] This is where I go and you people are now on my level of thinking. You say it's too subjective, but you don't want to think deeper into the matter. Of course we can set a standard on what is best. Do we not say the best horse is the fastest? Do we not say the best mule is the strongest? So... you want to develop a way of making games... compete? Like, not from a person's point of view, but an actual competition? How could you possibly do that? I think sales is the best indicator for that. What is the purpose of a video game? enjoyment. How can we determine which game is more enjoyment than others? If 3 million people bought A, and 1 million people bought B, then A has to be the most enjoyed game. Now, like Casey said earlier Not all 3 million people will like the A game, but can't you say the same for the 1 million people who got B game too?
What if people enjoyed game B in less numbers but greater levels than game A? This is where the flaw of the system comes in. However, it's a flaw that made the masses win instead of 1 man's opinion. See what I mean?
Well, why tune out the games that were amazing, but lacked the sells, such as Psychonauts, Gunstar Super Heroes, Okami, etc.? No way should those game get tuned out for games that aren't even that good, such as Red Steel or Jaws Unleashed; it's simply injustice for games like that. Sometimes, sales can be covered by movie or entertainment licenses, just trying to make a few dollars to make a quickie game. It's simply not fair for the games that try a new innovation and license be not noticed as well. Which is why people should start reading reviews. Games are like books and movies: they might be good, but you want to hear what critics have to say. It's their job, they professionalize at this sort of thing. Opinions should be heard because, frankly, the majority could think wrong about a game. Don't opinions sometimes help with sales, anyways? Â
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