Why Gran Turismo 6 on PS3 Makes Perfect Sense

I accept the comparison challenge,

Cars- Forza wins. GT5's premium cars look just a tad better than Forza's but not all of them are premium. And the one's that are not are ugly as hell. Forza wins for consistancy.

Tracks- Again. Forza wins. Every racer has real world tracks but the ones that are not real world tracks on GT have been there since GT1. The tracks are old and tired and they look it. It almost seems like Polyphony just up-rezzed the PS2 versions. Look at the grass textures and tree coloring. It is the same on every course. Even the new tracks like the kart tracks, and rally tracks are ugly and have lots of pop in even though they are some of the least impressive course. Forza's tracks feel fresher and just newer. Plus a lot of the tracks like Ladera, Iberia, and Bernese are way ahead in graphics and fun factor than GT's. I can go the rest of my life with racing on the high speed ring, Deep Forest, or Grand Valley again....

I don't think it's a good idea. From a business point of view, aiming a GT game for the launch year would be a massive deal. These games are system sellers, and no offence but most exclusives on any console are not system sellers.

There are maybe a couple games that would make me buy any console. Even the PC which has sh*t tons of exclusives, they are not all good enough that i'd automatically switch to PC gaming, maybe a few.

I think Sony misused their ace card. And we all know another GT game wont come out for a further 3 years after that.

What makes this worse is that the PS4 will not have BC with PS3 games. Really seems like a pointless move to me. And I doubt this other driving game the PS4 has coming will be on the same scale as a Forza or a GT game.

Extras- Forza has better online, the showroom, Livery system, Jeremy May, a much better season mode, better structure on obtaining cars for your career, and the auction. GT5 has a car wash and horrible menus with crappy load times......next.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="Desmonic"] Yeah, spin away lembot. Perhaps one day you'll win one argument on SW......not :lol: Poor, poor lems. Desmonic

Yeah, shame that the real world talks with sales. You know...that thing that proves that the GT franchise is still (and will continue) to be relevant in the real world? That's why they keep making them and that's why they keep outselling by far and away each and every Forza title. Real world relevance. Which is what you asked about in the first place. Deal with it. No amount of spinning can deny the fact that GT is still a lot more relevant that the "other series".

And it's a shame that you, my little idiot lembot, bring in quality when I didn't even question it at any given point. I didn't claim GT or Forza were better or worse than each other. Ah well... you tried to grab some straws, like always. I understand.

Tracks- Again. Forza wins. Every racer has real world tracks but the ones that are not real world tracks on GT have been there since GT1. The tracks are old and tired and they look it. It almost seems like Polyphony just up-rezzed the PS2 versions. Look at the grass textures and tree coloring. It is the same on every course. Even the new tracks like the kart tracks, and rally tracks are ugly and have lots of pop in even though they are some of the least impressive course. Forza's tracks feel fresher and just newer. Plus a lot of the tracks like Ladera, Iberia, and Bernese are way ahead in graphics and fun factor than GT's. I can go the rest of my life with racing on the high speed ring, Deep Forest, or Grand Valley again....

timbers_WSU

Graphics- Well. GT5 has the premium cars and the lighting is more realistic. GT5 has night racing and weather effects but they are behind the times on a technical level. Even PGR4 did it better. GT's textures on the cars and some of the enviroments are amazing but seeing the tree's and the same grass on most circuits makes the game look uneven and unfinished. Does not help the tracks are boring to look at. Looks good but not great.

Forza's cars look like toys but at least they all look good. The lighting looks a tad overdone. The courses look great. Funny enough the real world courses look about the ame as GT's and thanks to the lighting some of them look better than the ones on Forza. Forza does not have night racing but you can pick different times a day to race on each track and I actually like that better.Forza wins because of consistancy, less card board cut-outs, and the fantasy tracks are head and sholders better than GT's. GT's city tracks look great though....

Also frame-rate- Both games have decent frame rates but GT's shadows ae a joke.

Realisn and fun factor- Several sites have drivers claiming how realistc each series is but lets be honest. Neither are true sims. And at the end of the day I do not care which one is more accurate on time trials done by a real race car driver. They are both casual sim and that is that. So fun factor is where the imortance is. Truth be told neither is a blast to play on single player. But at least Forza's career structure is not grating. GT has the lisence stuff but I swear it is the same as GT3's. Forza has the challenges but honestly multiplaer is where it is at. GT has more cars on the track but since I prefer Forza's handling and community aspects I like Forza.

This is the only thing GT is equal to Forza. But in the end. Forza is still better thanks to the community options.

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Tracks- Again. Forza wins. Every racer has real world tracks but the ones that are not real world tracks on GT have been there since GT1. The tracks are old and tired and they look it. It almost seems like Polyphony just up-rezzed the PS2 versions. Look at the grass textures and tree coloring. It is the same on every course. Even the new tracks like the kart tracks, and rally tracks are ugly and have lots of pop in even though they are some of the least impressive course. Forza's tracks feel fresher and just newer. Plus a lot of the tracks like Ladera, Iberia, and Bernese are way ahead in graphics and fun factor than GT's. I can go the rest of my life with racing on the high speed ring, Deep Forest, or Grand Valley again....

kuraimen

GTs tire physics are out of date by now, Turn 10 completely threw the Forza 3 Tire Physics out and updated it for Forza 4. It's quite an important factor. So don't think GT5 is automatically better at sim racing.

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Tracks- Again. Forza wins. Every racer has real world tracks but the ones that are not real world tracks on GT have been there since GT1. The tracks are old and tired and they look it. It almost seems like Polyphony just up-rezzed the PS2 versions. Look at the grass textures and tree coloring. It is the same on every course. Even the new tracks like the kart tracks, and rally tracks are ugly and have lots of pop in even though they are some of the least impressive course. Forza's tracks feel fresher and just newer. Plus a lot of the tracks like Ladera, Iberia, and Bernese are way ahead in graphics and fun factor than GT's. I can go the rest of my life with racing on the high speed ring, Deep Forest, or Grand Valley again....

kuraimen

Realisn and fun factor- Several sites have drivers claiming how realistc each series is but lets be honest. Neither are true sims. And at the end of the day I do not care which one is more accurate on time trials done by a real race car driver. They are both casual sim and that is that. So fun factor is where the imortance is. Truth be told neither is a blast to play on single player. But at least Forza's career structure is not grating. GT has the lisence stuff but I swear it is the same as GT3's. Forza has the challenges but honestly multiplaer is where it is at. GT has more cars on the track but since I prefer Forza's handling and community aspects I like Forza.

This is the only thing GT is equal to Forza. But in the end. Forza is still better thanks to the community options.

timbers_WSU

I have to say, having more cars makes it less enjoyable for me. I'm not a pro driver and I don't have the patience of one. GRID turns into a destruction derby from the off and in the races on Forza which have 12 cars or so, it just gets a bit tedious for me. 8s perfect imo.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Yeah, shame that the real world talks with sales. You know...that thing that proves that the GT franchise is still (and will continue) to be relevant in the real world? That's why they keep making them and that's why they keep outselling by far and away each and every Forza title. Real world relevance. Which is what you asked about in the first place. Deal with it. No amount of spinning can deny the fact that GT is still a lot more relevant that the "other series".

 

And it's a shame that you, my little idiot lembot, bring in quality when I didn't even question it at any given point. I didn't claim GT or Forza were better or worse than each other. Ah well... you tried to grab some straws, like always. I understand.

Desmonic

Also. UC2, Journey and MGS4 >> Any 360 game in critical acclaim. Again, keep trying to spin it though. :cool:

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="Desmonic"] Jebus, you are thick. Sales=Relevance. Relevance=/=Quality. Which all I've been saying. Keep trying to spin it though. Your question was "why is this series still relevant?" Answer: Because it sell a sh!t load of copies with every release. That's why you idiot.

 

Also. UC2, Journey and MGS4 >> Any 360 game in critical acclaim. Again, keep trying to spin it though. :cool:

Desmonic

I have no idea why this series is still relevant. There are so many better racers out there.Miketheman83

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Tracks- Again. Forza wins. Every racer has real world tracks but the ones that are not real world tracks on GT have been there since GT1. The tracks are old and tired and they look it. It almost seems like Polyphony just up-rezzed the PS2 versions. Look at the grass textures and tree coloring. It is the same on every course. Even the new tracks like the kart tracks, and rally tracks are ugly and have lots of pop in even though they are some of the least impressive course. Forza's tracks feel fresher and just newer. Plus a lot of the tracks like Ladera, Iberia, and Bernese are way ahead in graphics and fun factor than GT's. I can go the rest of my life with racing on the high speed ring, Deep Forest, or Grand Valley again....

HalcyonScarlet

GTs tire physics are out of date by now, Turn 10 completely threw the Forza 3 Tire Physics out and updated it for Forza 4. It's quite an important factor. So don't think GT5 is automatically better at sim racing.

[QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]All of yall bashing Forza need to wake up. I've played Forza games and Gran Turismo games and Forza stomps all over GT. It's not a matter of fanboy-ism, it's a matter of reality. KillaCattle

Everything about GT is just antiquated now.

Forza, Shift, Grid. Al have better career structure, AI, and those little extras that make games fun. It is like Polyphony slept walked this gen. They release that Prolouge crap and sold basically a demo for $40. Then released a broken game that was not finished. Then came the XXL version or whatever it was and it still was an unfinished mess.

Meanwhile Turn 10 released 2 games every 2 years, each one being a big improvement over the last one in both quality and quanity. Polyphony should be embarressed.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Forza Horizon is better.KillaCattle

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="Desmonic"] Again bringing up quality. Saying something 100 times doesn't make it true you know? Even though it's a major spin by the likes you of you, yes, I do agree on relevance. If it sells more then it has more world relevance. Which is the case with the GT series. Simple as that lembot.Desmonic

Nope.

You are the only one that mentioned relevance == quality. CoD is relevant. Quality it has not. WiiFit was relevant. Quality it had not. You following me lembot?

Being relevant means being important, having an impact. Which GT has. Since it sells millions and millions of copies with each release. What is so hard to figure about that? What is so damn hard to accept about that? Why do you keep trying to spin it in such a blatant way? No one questioned the quality of any series, besides you.

The only argument I've been making is Sales==Relevance. Not sales=quality and not relevance=quality. You are the one only one trying to spin it that way :lol: Miserably might I add :lol:

Got it lembot? GT has worldwide relevance, like it or not. Is it good? I don't know, never played it nor own it, but it doesn't even matter to the discussion at hand. You tried to grab a straw. You failed. As always :lol: Poor, poor mike. Can't even grab proper straws!

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Tracks- Again. Forza wins. Every racer has real world tracks but the ones that are not real world tracks on GT have been there since GT1. The tracks are old and tired and they look it. It almost seems like Polyphony just up-rezzed the PS2 versions. Look at the grass textures and tree coloring. It is the same on every course. Even the new tracks like the kart tracks, and rally tracks are ugly and have lots of pop in even though they are some of the least impressive course. Forza's tracks feel fresher and just newer. Plus a lot of the tracks like Ladera, Iberia, and Bernese are way ahead in graphics and fun factor than GT's. I can go the rest of my life with racing on the high speed ring, Deep Forest, or Grand Valley again....

HalcyonScarlet

GTs tire physics are out of date by now, Turn 10 completely threw the Forza 3 Tire Physics out and updated it for Forza 4. It's quite an important factor. So don't think GT5 is automatically better at sim racing.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]All of yall bashing Forza need to wake up. I've played Forza games and Gran Turismo games and Forza stomps all over GT. It's not a matter of fanboy-ism, it's a matter of reality. meatgrinderz

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Tracks- Again. Forza wins. Every racer has real world tracks but the ones that are not real world tracks on GT have been there since GT1. The tracks are old and tired and they look it. It almost seems like Polyphony just up-rezzed the PS2 versions. Look at the grass textures and tree coloring. It is the same on every course. Even the new tracks like the kart tracks, and rally tracks are ugly and have lots of pop in even though they are some of the least impressive course. Forza's tracks feel fresher and just newer. Plus a lot of the tracks like Ladera, Iberia, and Bernese are way ahead in graphics and fun factor than GT's. I can go the rest of my life with racing on the high speed ring, Deep Forest, or Grand Valley again....

timbers_WSU

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Several Sim racing sites including insidesimracing have said that gt5 tracks are better and more accurate. Lol poor lems who only have their delusions to rely on.kuraimen

GTs tire physics are out of date by now, Turn 10 completely threw the Forza 3 Tire Physics out and updated it for Forza 4. It's quite an important factor. So don't think GT5 is automatically better at sim racing.

[QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Nice irrelevant opinion. Insidesimracing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.jessejay420

[QUOTE="jessejay420"][QUOTE="meatgrinderz"]Professional reviewers agree with me that Forza is better.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

GTs tire physics are out of date by now, Turn 10 completely threw the Forza 3 Tire Physics out and updated it for Forza 4. It's quite an important factor. So don't think GT5 is automatically better at sim racing.

jessejay420

Its pretty obvious that Forza is not a true racing sim...its a good game...I've played it on my friend's 360 but I dont consider it a pure racing sim..it's more of an open world arcade racer with improved mechanics. If you are not deep into sim racing then you won't get what makes GT5 so appealing.

Also I find it amusing that since I've signed up for this site I've been called an alt for mulipliple users here. 

GT6 another of the many PS3 games also headed for PS4. I will buy the superior PS4 version.

Its pretty obvious that Forza is not a true racing sim...its a good game...I've played it on my friend's 360 but I dont consider it a pure racing sim..it's more of an open world arcade racer with improved mechanics. If you are not deep into sim racing then you won't get what makes GT5 so appealing.

 

Also I find it amusing that since I've signed up for this site I've been called an alt for mulipliple users here. 

KillaCattle

Forza 4 is just as good, if not better than GT5 in terms of simulation and physics.

Let me know when GT5 has proper grip progression, side-step (take off in a powerful RWD car in Forza 4 and GT5 and the car will eventually step out to one side or another in Forza while remaining perfectly straight in GT5 every time, IE not realistic), and actually simulates damage both in more than two modes (practice and multiplayer) as well as properly (Even with damage turned up to max in GT5 you can't render your car nearly undrivable like in Forza and the damage eventually wears off to a degree).

I'm thoroughly convinced all the people here who say Forza 4 isn't as good a sim as GT5 haven't played it.

Its pretty obvious that Forza is not a true racing sim...its a good game...I've played it on my friend's 360 but I dont consider it a pure racing sim..it's more of an open world arcade racer with improved mechanics. If you are not deep into sim racing then you won't get what makes GT5 so appealing.

 

Also I find it amusing that since I've signed up for this site I've been called an alt for mulipliple users here. 

KillaCattle

with gran turismos game design what makes the most sense is it being on ps1.

Everything about GT is just antiquated now.

Forza, Shift, Grid. Al have better career structure, AI, and those little extras that make games fun. It is like Polyphony slept walked this gen. They release that Prolouge crap and sold basically a demo for $40. Then released a broken game that was not finished. Then came the XXL version or whatever it was and it still was an unfinished mess.

Meanwhile Turn 10 released 2 games every 2 years, each one being a big improvement over the last one in both quality and quanity. Polyphony should be embarressed.

timbers_WSU

Its pretty obvious that Forza is not a true racing sim...its a good game...I've played it on my friend's 360 but I dont consider it a pure racing sim..it's more of an open world arcade racer with improved mechanics. If you are not deep into sim racing then you won't get what makes GT5 so appealing.

 

Also I find it amusing that since I've signed up for this site I've been called an alt for mulipliple users here. 

KillaCattle

As someone who recently bought a PS3 and has no plan on getting a PS4 untill well over a year after it's release, I really hope PS3's support remains strong.

[QUOTE="KillaCattle"]

Its pretty obvious that Forza is not a true racing sim...its a good game...I've played it on my friend's 360 but I dont consider it a pure racing sim..it's more of an open world arcade racer with improved mechanics. If you are not deep into sim racing then you won't get what makes GT5 so appealing.

 

Also I find it amusing that since I've signed up for this site I've been called an alt for mulipliple users here. 

The_Game21x

Forza 4 is just as good, if not better than GT5 in terms of simulation and physics.

Let me know when GT5 has proper grip progression, side-step (take off in a powerful RWD car in Forza 4 and GT5 and the car will eventually step out to one side or another in Forza while remaining perfectly straight in GT5 every time, IE not realistic), and actually simulates damage both in more than two modes (practice and multiplayer) as well as properly (Even with damage turned up to max in GT5 you can't render your car nearly undrivable like in Forza and the damage eventually wears off to a degree).

I'm thoroughly convinced all the people here who say Forza 4 isn't as good a sim as GT5 haven't played it.

Its pretty obvious that Forza is not a true racing sim...its a good game...I've played it on my friend's 360 but I dont consider it a pure racing sim..it's more of an open world arcade racer with improved mechanics. If you are not deep into sim racing then you won't get what makes GT5 so appealing.

 

Also I find it amusing that since I've signed up for this site I've been called an alt for mulipliple users here. 

KillaCattle

Hey kuraimen....I am starting to think your stupidity is real.

Hey kuraimen....I am starting to think your stupidity is real.

timbers_WSU

[QUOTE="KillaCattle"]

Its pretty obvious that Forza is not a true racing sim...its a good game...I've played it on my friend's 360 but I dont consider it a pure racing sim..it's more of an open world arcade racer with improved mechanics. If you are not deep into sim racing then you won't get what makes GT5 so appealing.

 

Also I find it amusing that since I've signed up for this site I've been called an alt for mulipliple users here. 

The_Game21x

Forza 4 is just as good, if not better than GT5 in terms of simulation and physics.

Let me know when GT5 has proper grip progression, side-step (take off in a powerful RWD car in Forza 4 and GT5 and the car will eventually step out to one side or another in Forza while remaining perfectly straight in GT5 every time, IE not realistic), and actually simulates damage both in more than two modes (practice and multiplayer) as well as properly (Even with damage turned up to max in GT5 you can't render your car nearly undrivable like in Forza and the damage eventually wears off to a degree).

I'm thoroughly convinced all the people here who say Forza 4 isn't as good a sim as GT5 haven't played it.