Why Include the PC in a PS3 and 360 Argument About Exclusives?

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#1 Valkyriareaper1
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Taking a look at arguments, people usually when a game is on 360 and not on PS3 they usually say I can play it on my PC so it does not count as exclusive. But then PS3 fanboys say HA ha we got Final Fantasy 14 and it is exclusive and 360 gamers can not play it, so they just contradict themselves. Also be aware that PS3 fanboys are playing on "Microsoft" Windows... so yeah. Why even include PC in a argument?

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#2 washd123
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A. MS doesnt own pc gaming

B. The word exclusive only has a few meanings and usages

that guide explains everything

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Taking a look at arguments, people usually when a game is on 360 and not on PS3 they usually say I can play it on my PC so it does not count as exclusive. But then PS3 fanboys say HA ha we got Final Fantasy 14 and it is exclusive and 360 gamers can not play it, so they just contradict themselves. Also be aware that PS3 fanboys are playing on "Microsoft" Windows... so yeah. Why even include PC in a argument?

Valkyriareaper1

Some PS3 fanboys are just... not so bright.

FFXIV is a multiplat, just like L4d or Mass Effect.

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Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.
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Taking a look at arguments, people usually when a game is on 360 and not on PS3 they usually say I can play it on my PC so it does not count as exclusive. But then PS3 fanboys say HA ha we got Final Fantasy 14 and it is exclusive and 360 gamers can not play it, so they just contradict themselves. Also be aware that PS3 fanboys are playing on "Microsoft" Windows... so yeah. Why even include PC in a argument?

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because 360 has the better library when its just PS3 vs. 360

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#6 loco145
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Because I own a PC.
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because PC gamers just have to put Crysis on everything

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Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.Birdy09
I think PS3, 360, and PC are better variety than PS3/PC or 360/PC...

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#9 washd123
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because PC gamers just have to put Crysis on everything

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this was totally relevant to the post and makes sense

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#10 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]

Taking a look at arguments, people usually when a game is on 360 and not on PS3 they usually say I can play it on my PC so it does not count as exclusive. But then PS3 fanboys say HA ha we got Final Fantasy 14 and it is exclusive and 360 gamers can not play it, so they just contradict themselves. Also be aware that PS3 fanboys are playing on "Microsoft" Windows... so yeah. Why even include PC in a argument?

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because 360 has the better library when its just PS3 vs. 360

Lol. Yeah.

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Ho, ho, ho! Whoa, I wonder what other discoveries will be made in the forum today.

People contradict themselves all the time. It's come to the point where it shouldn't be counted as an exclusive if it's on the PC but people argue that it helps whatever console it's exclusive to. There's no way to get a definitive answer to this crisis because people want leverage anytime there's a heated debate over their platform. Both sides do it all the time.

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Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.Birdy09

When it's just PS3 vs 360 then 360 is better. PS3 fans are bitter about this.

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#13 Valkyriareaper1
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A. MS doesnt own pc gaming

B. The word exclusive only has a few meanings and usages

that guide explains everything

washd123

They dont own it, but most games run on Microsoft Windows, which is their software... you dont see games on Linux, and you rarely see games on Mac OS.

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.Valkyriareaper1

I think PS3, 360, and PC are better variety than PS3/PC or 360/PC...

This would be the correct answer

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.Valkyriareaper1

I think PS3, 360, and PC are better variety than PS3/PC or 360/PC...

Well no kidding, but as far as exclusives go, the arguement mainly goes to the fact that if you was to buy systems in the order of the variety they offer PS3 has the advantage, because PS3 shares less games with PC than 360. So when he whole "360 vs PS3" debate comes in, the PC and Wii are also factored, however the Wii barely gets mention because it doesnt share many of the same type of games. Its simple logic really.
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#16 xxyetixx
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I don't include PC when I talk about anything on here I don't care about PC.

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#17 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.Ultra_Combo

When it's just PS3 vs 360 then 360 is better. PS3 fans are bitter about this.

Hmm... indeed... I say go with PS3, 360, and PC... lol... more fun... reminder do not get Windows Vista... get Windows 7.

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#18 washd123
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They dont own it, but most games run on Microsoft Windows, which is their software... you dont see games on Linux, and you rarely see games on Mac OS.

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cool but its irrelevant

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#19 washd123
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I don't include PC when I talk about anything on here I don't care about PC.

xxyetixx

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good for you but ignoring it when talking about exclusives is just asinine

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.Ultra_Combo

When it's just PS3 vs 360 then 360 is better. PS3 fans are bitter about this.

Thats quickly changing, or at least getting more equal, but at the same time then the gap for Pc/PS3 is getting even larger.
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#21 aaronmullan
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This is System Wars, not Console/Company Wars. Deal with it. PC counts.
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#22 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.Birdy09

I think PS3, 360, and PC are better variety than PS3/PC or 360/PC...

Well no kidding, but as far as exclusives go, the arguement mainly goes to the fact that if you was to buy systems in the order of the variety they offer PS3 has the advantage, because PS3 shares less games with PC than 360. So when he whole "360 vs PS3" debate comes in, the PC and Wii are also factored, however the Wii barely gets mention because it doesnt share many of the same type of games. Its simple logic really.

Crackdown, Crackdown 2, Halo 3 and ODST, Halo: Reach, Banjo-Kazooie, Alan Wake, some games that cannot be played on PC. But I agree.

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#23 Ultra_Combo
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[QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.Birdy09

I think PS3, 360, and PC are better variety than PS3/PC or 360/PC...

Well no kidding, but as far as exclusives go, the arguement mainly goes to the fact that if you was to buy systems in the order of the variety they offer PS3 has the advantage, because PS3 shares less games with PC than 360. So when he whole "360 vs PS3" debate comes in, the PC and Wii are also factored, however the Wii barely gets mention because it doesnt share many of the same type of games. Its simple logic really.

LOL simple fanboy logic... in "360 vs Ps3 " debate cows run to hide behind the pc because in a "360 vs PS3" debate , the PC and Wii are irrelevant.

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#24 xxyetixx
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This is System Wars, not Console/Company Wars. Deal with it. PC counts.aaronmullan

Not if you ignore it, and get enough people to ingnore it with you.

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#25 washd123
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This is System Wars, not Console/Company Wars. Deal with it. PC counts.aaronmullan

it doesnt matter even if it was console wars pc would still count if you talk about exclusives.

calling a game x exclusive means the same as all other systems are excluded, not all other in context.

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#26 Valkyriareaper1
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This is System Wars, not Console/Company Wars. Deal with it. PC counts.aaronmullan
We are not talking about companies, we are talking about systems, PC counts, but when in a discussion on PS3 vs. 360 the PC is mentioned.

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#27 washd123
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LOL simple fanboy logic... in "360 vs Ps3 " debate cows run to hide behind the pc because in a "360 vs PS3" debate , the PC and Wii are irrelevant.

Ultra_Combo

theyre not hiding behind the pc.

the pc and wii are not irrelevant to whether or not a game is exclusive

how did you people make it out of first grade?

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#28 tagyhag
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[QUOTE="Regisland"]

because PC gamers just have to put Crysis on everything

washd123

this was totally relevant to the post and makes sense

Yeah some people don't like to read. :P
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]This is System Wars, not Console/Company Wars. Deal with it. PC counts.Valkyriareaper1

We are not talking about companies, we are talking about systems, PC counts, but when in a discussion on PS3 vs. 360 the PC is mentioned.

Yes, but you said "Also be aware that PS3 fanboys are playing on "Microsoft" Windows... so yeah."
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#30 washd123
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]This is System Wars, not Console/Company Wars. Deal with it. PC counts.Valkyriareaper1

We are not talking about companies, we are talking about systems, PC counts, but when in a discussion on PS3 vs. 360 the PC is mentioned.

read my post with the exclusive guide.

if youre talking ps3 library v 360 library pc/360 games count but they are not 360 exclusives so if youre simply comparing exclusives they dont count

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#31 devilsoultaker2
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everybody knows 360 got better games than ps3 that's why cows compare ps3/PC vs 360
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#32 Ultra_Combo
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[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

LOL simple fanboy logic... in "360 vs Ps3 " debate cows run to hide behind the pc because in a "360 vs PS3" debate , the PC and Wii are irrelevant.

washd123

theyre not hiding behind the pc.

the pc and wii are not irrelevant to whether or not a game is exclusive

how did you people make it out of first grade?

Were did I say anthing about exclusives Einstein?, good straw man argument though.

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#33 hkmp5a2
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This is System Wars, not Console/Company Wars. Deal with it. PC counts.aaronmullan

of course the pc counts, however like you said "this is system wars" that statement is flawed in so many ways..because if a fanboy in general wants to slam another system saying why it's worse or how is it better then X system then it's a "war between those two systems. you just can't toss in a pc, or any other system at the last moment if one side starts to loose face.

We may as well close SW down and just say it's void due to many flaws.

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#34 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]This is System Wars, not Console/Company Wars. Deal with it. PC counts.aaronmullan

We are not talking about companies, we are talking about systems, PC counts, but when in a discussion on PS3 vs. 360 the PC is mentioned.

Yes, but you said "Also be aware that PS3 fanboys are playing on "Microsoft" Windows... so yeah."

Which means they contradict themselves, however the software runs on Microsoft. So... I said Microsoft Windows because they are playing on the software, it does not mean we are comparing companies. I say Mircosoft Windows because just saying Windows would be comparing a window to a door essentially.

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.Ultra_Combo

When it's just PS3 vs 360 then 360 is better. PS3 fans are bitter about this.

and very unrealistic either, its funny cause when Mass Effect got AA status they claimed ownage on the Lemmings.

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[QUOTE="xxyetixx"]

I don't include PC when I talk about anything on here I don't care about PC.

washd123

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good for you but ignoring it when talking about exclusives is just asinine

IF a person doesnt have a PC to play games on then it isnt asinine. Im all for gaming be it on console or PC, but I dont have a pc that can game these days, SO for me pc gaming is irrevelent to me and of non importance. WHICH is the case for many people in the real world and on these forums. It doesnt matter if PC gets all of Sony,MS,Nin top games to me at all. OR if PC gets every single console game out there. IF my pc cant play them its worthless to talk about PC gaming.

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#37 washd123
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IF a person doesnt have a PC to play games on then it isnt asinine. Im all for gaming be it on console or PC, but I dont have a pc that can game these days, SO for me pc gaming is irrevelent to me and of non importance. WHICH is the case for many people in the real world and on these forums. It doesnt matter if PC gets all of Sony,MS,Nin top games to me at all. OR if PC gets every single console game out there. IF my pc cant play them its worthless to talk about PC gaming.

VanDammFan

again good for you that is still irrelevant to whether or not its exclusive. the meaning of the word doesnt change depending on your mood or preference

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#38 Hanass
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I don't include PC when I talk about anything on here I don't care about PC.

xxyetixx

Yep, good ol' me myself, and I, **** the rest of the world. Real mature attitude man. If you can't accept that there are 6.8 billion people on Earth, and not just yourself, then you should leave SW.

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PS3 owners perfectly accept FF XIV as a multiplat game which will be undoubtfully better on the PC.

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#40 Vandalvideo
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IF a person doesnt have a PC to play games on then it isnt asinine. Im all for gaming be it on console or PC, but I dont have a pc that can game these days, SO for me pc gaming is irrevelent to me and of non importance. WHICH is the case for many people in the real world and on these forums. It doesnt matter if PC gets all of Sony,MS,Nin top games to me at all. OR if PC gets every single console game out there. IF my pc cant play them its worthless to talk about PC gaming.VanDammFan
I don't have a Wii; therefore, System Wars shouldn't talk about Wiis. You see the logical leap here don't you? You're extrapolating from yourself to the forums.
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Because I own a PC.loco145
High five man!
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#42 TheEroica  Moderator
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First of all you cant get all caught up in the "exclusive" "multiplat" talks in system wars... remember, they're just battle terms used by people to feel comfortable in this forum to help them sleep at night. The point is, it doesnt change the fact that if you're just a 360 owner or ps3 owner you're not playing the game that happens to also show up on PC.

People look at the "360/pc" debate with such intensity and yet it bears very little weight on the desician of the buyer in the majority of consumers when a game is also on PC.

Im not saying people dont play on PC but that whole epidemic of ps3 owners all saying they also have top end rigs a la Bioshock days, is bogus, even if half of those people were telling the truth, the majority of people who bought bioshock or will buy ME2 or whatever, will heavily lean on the console.

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#43 Ultimaspooges
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[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]I think PS3, 360, and PC are better variety than PS3/PC or 360/PC...

Ultra_Combo

Well no kidding, but as far as exclusives go, the arguement mainly goes to the fact that if you was to buy systems in the order of the variety they offer PS3 has the advantage, because PS3 shares less games with PC than 360. So when he whole "360 vs PS3" debate comes in, the PC and Wii are also factored, however the Wii barely gets mention because it doesnt share many of the same type of games. Its simple logic really.

LOL simple fanboy logic... in "360 vs Ps3 " debate cows run to hide behind the pc because in a "360 vs PS3" debate , the PC and Wii are irrelevant.

Whatever, PS3 owns Xbox360 because we can play PS2 and PS1 games, they're games not on Xbox. We win.

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#44 Ultra_Combo
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[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Well no kidding, but as far as exclusives go, the arguement mainly goes to the fact that if you was to buy systems in the order of the variety they offer PS3 has the advantage, because PS3 shares less games with PC than 360. So when he whole "360 vs PS3" debate comes in, the PC and Wii are also factored, however the Wii barely gets mention because it doesnt share many of the same type of games. Its simple logic really.Ultimaspooges

LOL simple fanboy logic... in "360 vs Ps3 " debate cows run to hide behind the pc because in a "360 vs PS3" debate , the PC and Wii are irrelevant.

Whatever, PS3 owns Xbox360 because we can play PS2 and PS1 games, they're games not on Xbox. We win.

Hiding behind 3 systems now, LOL don't worry maybe one day PS3 will be able to stand on it's own against the 360. 8)

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#45 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Well no kidding, but as far as exclusives go, the arguement mainly goes to the fact that if you was to buy systems in the order of the variety they offer PS3 has the advantage, because PS3 shares less games with PC than 360. So when he whole "360 vs PS3" debate comes in, the PC and Wii are also factored, however the Wii barely gets mention because it doesnt share many of the same type of games. Its simple logic really.Ultimaspooges

LOL simple fanboy logic... in "360 vs Ps3 " debate cows run to hide behind the pc because in a "360 vs PS3" debate , the PC and Wii are irrelevant.

Whatever, PS3 owns Xbox360 because we can play PS2 and PS1 games, they're games not on Xbox. We win.

Um... yeah... 60GB and 20 GB, and somewhat 80GB can play it, but not the slim or 40GB, 60GB is the best model, but what about next gen games, only 2 (MGS4 and Valkyria Chronicles) that are must haves for me, lets talk next gen, leave last gen out of it. There is no winning.

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Because I own a gaming PC, and if everything is on that, well what am I going to do with my 360 or so?
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Because I own a gaming PC, and if everything is on that, well what am I going to do with my 360 or so?ArisShadows
Get games like Tales of Vesperia, Crackdown, Final Fantasy, Crackdown 2, and Valkyria Chronicles. Lol.

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.

^^ i totally agree on this coz i recently got PS3 slim(was waiting to buy system after good games were there and i couldnt be happier) u have best of both the worlds u have exclusives of PC's which are great and exclusive and multiplats of PS3 which is awesome so WiN WiN for true gamers PC/PS3 is the best combo and the combo every1 shld get
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Taking a look at arguments, people usually when a game is on 360 and not on PS3 they usually say I can play it on my PC so it does not count as exclusive. But then PS3 fanboys say HA ha we got Final Fantasy 14 and it is exclusive and 360 gamers can not play it, so they just contradict themselves. Also be aware that PS3 fanboys are playing on "Microsoft" Windows... so yeah. Why even include PC in a argument?

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true but live on windows is FREE to play so if you own a ps3 and a pc there is no need to own a 360. but if you own a 360 and pc your missing out on ps3 exclusives. and we include all systems because this is system wars not console wars and if its multi is not exclusive.....
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Well those fanboys are idiots, because FF14 is obviously not exclusive. hell its main platform is PC. But, its included because its system was as in battle royale, not 360 vs PS3. PS3 gamers have an advantage in this department, or are gaining one at least, bcause the fact of reality is, if you wanted more variety PC/PS3 is better than PC/360 ... 360 Gmers just get bitterby this.Birdy09
this... I don't see anyone calling ff14 a ps3 exclusive... its on pc too. . but I will say ps3 and pc eliminates any need for the 360 unless you absolutly need halo or forza. Most pc's with a gfx card upgrade in the last 4 years can play pretty much any multi-plat that is ported to the pc from 360. So that means a lot of pc owners as vista pretty much requires a video card. Oh yeah and M$ does not own PC gaming at all, they don't get royalties from pc games. How many times must lemmings bring this up? MS does not own the pc. Hell I dual boot between XP and Ubuntu linux on my box and I was playing Grand theft auto: Vice City on the linux machine using WIne. hence no need for windows. There are now many solutions to get around windows for gaming on the pc if you are so inclined to look for them. The only games I really want that aren't on the PS3 right now but are on the 360 is MAss effect 2 and Splinter cell, guess where I will play them? thats right. PC I had that way before my PS3 and I can upgrade it when needed.