Why is anything under 9 treated as bad?

@uninspiredcup: Even final mission of Metro Exodus is better than entire RE2 game. but you wont play it. unlike you i played both games and Metro is far better.

RE2 is ok.

All good.

I would never pay $60 for Uncharted 4 or Gears 4 again if I had the chance. Gears I at least got more MP time out of. Uncharted 4 I didn't get much after the first run through. that last fight with Rafe was lmao bad QTE. I just don't get tangled up in blue about it.

Look, you do you in life. I say shit and if it doesn't apply let it fly.

That is fair, but I feel the same way about several high scoring, including 10/10 games feeling massively burned by them.

GTA4 was a terrible game, and MGS4 is the weakest mainline MGS by quite a bit.

Meanwhile, the most popular game on twitch scored a 6/10 here. EVE Online too, despite its low score on this site, outlived a lot of high scoring mmorpgs here.

@Maroxad: That is a good point. I personally enjoy both GTA4 and MGS4, but I would give them both an 8/10. MGS4 felt like it had less gameplay than cutscenes (like all of them except V and Peace Walker) and GTA4 is still enjoyable but honestly the only thing I don't like about it is the bad graphics (otherwise, I almost enjoy it more than GTAV, which I know is an unpopular opinion).

But I can understand people going into those games and Uncharted 4 and only getting some small amount of time with them and going "ok, so that was nice but 10/10? Really?" While, like you said, some really popular games can score awful and still be enjoyed.

I think my point is, personally, I've usually agreed with reviews than them steering me wrong. Those games that score well that I don't enjoy are very few and far between. One example I can think of is Horizon Zero Dawn. I thought I was going to enjoy it because of all of the praise, Guerilla Games' past with the Killzone series I loved, and just wanting to explore this unique robot dinosaur land. It ended up boring the hell out of me with a boring protagonist, lackluster story, and it all felt too familiar, like a Ubisoft copy-and-paste-with-icons-all-over-the-place game.

So yes, reviews can definitely be wrong but that's because its all opinions. Sometimes they don't line up with mine, but if I'm gonna think back over the 21 years I've been playing games since I was 7 years old in 1998 being wowed with Ocarina of Time and the thousands of dollars I've blown on this silly hobby, they are more often correct than wrong about games, aggregate-scoring speaking.

Well they way things are reviewed these days is non linear, anything below a 5 is considered extremely bad like a 0-3, and a 7.0 is average at best.

I assume publishers have engineered it that way to be confusing to the unaware.

Because the internet, especially SW, attracts elitism and on the level of Bill Maher and comic books.

@Maroxad: The 3 most popular games on twitch are Lol, Fortnite, and Apex. None of which scored a 6 here.

I am of the same mind. I've enjoyed more "6" rated games lately than "9" rated games.

@uninspiredcup said:

@ghosts4ever said:

@uninspiredcup said:

Ghost upset Metro failed.

but RE2 is overrated. because of all nastolgia.

RE2 is 5 hour game. Metro is 20 hour game. more worth and value.

You shouldn't let the opinions of individuals have this much effect on you. An 8 out of 10 deflates you, really? I smh reading this.

You already showed your idiocy when you claimed the campaigns were the exact same. They weren't. I actually had to tell you that a portion of Claire's campaign was actually new and different, as you claimed the same thing prior to experiencing it.

Like how you treat games over a 9, bad?

I’ve never considered games that get a 8, 7, or even a 6 as being “bad” games myself. ?‍♂️

I didn't read that post before. Wow. That is some pathetic shit right there. That 8/10 was given by another human being! What makes their opinion have so much power in a person's life? Answer: choice.

"admit it deflates you"? No, it doesn't because no matter how much I track a game or look forward to it, I never INFLATE myself. I recognize that none of this is that fvcking important.

Ah, the good ol' days. The first time a review needed no words. LOL!

This is a good topic and I agree. The reactions to some scores is ridiculous. I've played and enjoyed several games that were 7's. A few that were 6's. I appreciate scores as they give me a general idea of what to expect, but I usually only view them as a soft guideline.

Its just game forums that think that way and a YouTube.

Also the difference between a 8-9 score for most of these games is simply due to the reviewer... There are a lot of 9's that can be argued as 8's and a lot of 8's that can be argued as 9's. To my any game past 7/10 is worth playing and easily can be your favourite game so its wrong to pass them up and anyone who does is literally missing out, its only when you go lower than a 7 when it gets into the "there are better games you could be playing" territory.

The most fun I have ever had in my life in a game was Counter Strike Source Zombie Mod... A mod that by most standards was poorly made and if it was a game would get 7's at best, yet I sank in more hours in that mod than any other game in my adult life.

Scores mean little to how much you enjoy a game all they do past safety 60/70% mark do is determine if the game is actually playable and not a rip off in my eyes. Just look at Ark... I hate the game and due to its technical issues most reviewers gave it bad scores, but there are people who have put in 500+ hours into that game.

@ghosts4ever: part of the problem is that there are a lot more games than there used to be so people's standards have gone up

Well, I bought a new video card recently and it came with 3 free games , one of which is Anthem. This is a game I would never buy based on review scores, but I’m enjoying it a whole lot more than I was expecting. Scores from reviewers are so subjective that you can’t rely on them.

I was answering the OP's question. Why do people get all upset over games that score lower than a 9/10? Why do you think that is? If not hype and anticipation, what the hell is making people so mad that a video game scores lower than 9/10?

You're absolutely right. None of this is that fucking important. But that doesn't answer the question. This doesn't matter to you. You don't inflate yourself. You don't hype things like this up and get disappointed when a game doesn't do too well among critics. Good for you.

For those that do feel that way, this is the WHY behind it. Again, in my opinion and I could be wrong but I believe people among the gaming community that DO get mad when games don't score well are the ones that have been getting excited for a game, only to see that its "pretty good, but got some flaws that hold it from being the true greatness that is 9/10 or 10/10".

Again, I was only answering the question. This doesn't really bother me as much as it used to because there's more important things going on in life now than video games, of course.

(also, "kind of deflates you" was meant to be a far cry from "being upset". It's more like a "sigh....oh well it's still a pretty good game" than "DAMMIT!!! WHY'D IT GET AN 8/10!!!? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE CRITICS?!!")

@worlds_apart: I mean, an 8 out of 10 doesn't deflate me as in "dammit! ****! I was so hoping for Borderlands 3 to be the second coming of Christ but its only an 8 out of 10. come on!!"

But if that game comes out, you know the anticipation building for a game of that magnitude and fanbase behind it are going to be a little, JUST A LITTLE disappointed that its only scoring an 8/10 all around the web.

I never said an 8 out of 10 is BAD. That seems to be what people are mistaking me for here. No, its when something is being super hyped up, gamers are gonna want it to be REALLY REALLY REALLY good. I was just answering the OP's question of why people get upset over reviews on games that don't score AWFUL, but could've been better given the franchise's previous success.

Ask cows as they are the ones who live by scores.

@poe13: I already answered the TCs question. I think it’s because many people are lazy, followers, irresponsible for themselves and want to be told by strangers what they will like or dislike.

First off 7/10 doesn’t equal “ok/passable”. That’s stupid. Why use a 10 point scale if 7 is just ok. 1-6 describes how many levels of bad then? It’s unbalanced and stupid. Thats people that use a 5 point scale but for some reason are stuck on the numbers 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

Second, why assume what others give a game is the be all end all law of its worth. I understand we can’t buy everything but then buy what you really want to play not what someone says is a 9. Persona 5 has high scores and it’s some of the most weeboo boring shyte I’ve ever come across. The combat is used at hospitals to induce coma. Don’t you have a grasp on what you like yet in life? You can’t tell by some videos or streams of gameplay? Must you buy a game “Day one”? Two days of patience and watching tells me more than an arbitrary score from someone I don’t know.

I'm not going to speak on behalf of anyone else but for me, personally, if I really want to play something, and it turns out it scores a 7 or below, I go ok what's wrong with it? I do some digging around and find out that there are bugs in it that ruin the gameplay, the controls are ok but could be better, maybe the fucking camera is getting in the way (although in 2019 that's not so much an issue as it was in the 90s and 2000s).

I'm not going to spend that $60 on a game if its a 7/10 AND (now this is the important part) its got some things in it I do not like or that ruin the experience. Have you never been burned by paying full price for an average game and going "gee, maybe I should have read more about this, watched some footage, asked some friends about it before blowing all that cash on a game I don't really wanna ever play again"?

So, the bottom line is this. It isn't the score of the game that deflates ME personally. It is the NEGATIVES. Why did it score that 6, 7, or 8? What is wrong with it that is holding it back from being so good? Because like I told another poster, I have been burned by buying a game I thought I would like and not listening to reviews and I got instant buyer's remorse and felt like an idiot wasting my money.

But if none of this bothers you, keep buying what you like. I honestly don't know how to make it clearer for you to understand.

@poe13: I guess I accept sometimes life gives you a lemon. I certainly don’t like every movie I see or novel I read. But as I said, by this time in my life I know what I like for the most part.

Take Crackdown 3 for instance. A fellow SW poster said it best while we co opped it, “I know what’s a good time to me so no score was going to deter me from playing this”

Now when a game gets a 7 from Peter brown or Mike Mahardy I don’t take it seriously. I’ve been gaming since a pong console in the late 1970s or basically 40 years which is longer than those two guys have been alive.

I’m not wealthy but I accept no matter how hard a person tries life will roll a lemon at you sometimes and they make for fun conversations with gaming buds on the odd times I get one. So am I burned? No.

Thing is about that, literally EVERYTHING is fun when you play it with friends and **** around. So that thing about Crackdown 3 is a moot point as I could see myself getting drunk and blowing shit up with my buds (if I was back in high school or college) playing that.

That doesn't mean I would blow $60 on it though.

But its apparent we think differently on the matter of reviews and how they affect a silly hobby. Just know, when I watch reviews I don't think "OH PLEASE! Peter Brown! Please tell me how to live my life!! Should I buy this game?" Yes I know what I want, but its a game and games have a history that have problems in them. Take Fallout 76 for example (another fun romp with friends of course I'm sure). The Fallout franchise has historically gotten great acclaim and gamers and critics alike love it. Then that shitty game came out with all its problems and bugs. Would you pay $60 down for it without even giving a shit about all of the game-breaking and issues that that ruin the experience because "Hey its Fallout! They've NEVER let me down before"?

Some of us like to be informed before we go down a choice that maybe just maybe will bite us in the ass and wish we had our money back.

get fucked TLOU!!!

Straight into the trash

@drlostrib: Right where Ellie belongs... Erm... I mean TLoU.

@poe13: I believe I said I spend the time to watch streams or vids after release didn’t I?

In the case of a game riddled with technical issues like Fallout 76 I saw the bugs and problems on Twitch.

@cainetao11: Well there you go. It doesn't have to be reviews that show you, but you are actually forming your opinion based on others' time with the game.

Anyway, this has gone on far longer than I care. Toodles.

Just because a game is longer, doesn't mean it's better.

So others opinions pretty much == your own? I've played plenty of games that haven't reviewed well and I've enjoyed them. Shouldn't base your opinions on what others think.

LOL Rationalize how you wish buddy. I don't listen to what others say about a game. I sometimes watch the game in motion to see if it may be something I'll try.

LOL it shit sure isn't an arbitrary numerical opinion from some other human that effects me. But you do you

I think, its because we are all adults with responsibility and have limited time to spend on games. We pick games that offers the best value based on critics rating because we just don't have time to play every single game for ourselves. At least this is my opinion on the matter.

@sakaixx: Their were plenty of "adults" that were satisfied with AA gaming last gen.

Its was once xbox stopped getting high rated games that this form stopped caring about scores period.

What a coincidence

What a owning as well lol

Xbox fans value a 6 outta ten more than a 7,8,9 out of ten going by most of the post this gen.

Long as its has co op online they don't care anymore.

@cainetao11: LOL and you still think I care based ENTIRELY on the score after all the posts I've made. Well, can't help you if you can't read.

@cainetao11: Nope, if anything its the opposite. Look at our little stats. I've been a member for almost a year longer than you on this site and my posts are only at a measly 700+, while you are at a whopping 36,000+ post count. Maybe its just a number that doesn't mean anything to you and maybe it just racks up and up as you go to different threads and speak your mind. But to me, my low number says that I have more important things to do than back-and-forths on an internet forum about video games. If that isn't more pathetic than reading/watching reviews and basing your game-buying decision off of that, I don't know what to tell ya.

Now I know you don't believe me but I promise this is it. I'm done with this chat. I've said my peace on the matter and you have continually replied back with your own opinion on all of us wuss bags that don't want to waste our money so we listen to reviews (more than the score, try to keep that in mind. I know its really hard. But try.).

Now I've gotta go check in on Peter Brown's and Mike Mahardy's twitters and see if they can tell me how to live my life. I'm dying to know what they think of The Division 2, I just gotta know if it will get a good score so I can sleep at night.

Review scores have been really bloated the past 7 or 8 years. Back in the day a 7 was considered good. Now its shit

Anything under 9 isn't bad all games are subjective. I've played 10s which were completely average imo (uc4) and played 6s I've loved (shadow of tomb raider). But it's just my opinion same as a review really. Depends who you talk to as to who will agree. People are winding you up and you are taking the bait.

Speaking 'bout Metro. Decided to get it and guess what, I ran into the same bug which I encountered with the previous game. NPC which I'm supposed to follow froze up after a gunfight right at the start of the game, how is this possible LOL!

Edit: Yet another crash at the sneaking part, WTF?

Well in that case Madden 2019 is bad....IGN rated 8.9

That's funny because you're one of the few people I ever see complaining about Nintendo scores, and you don't even play the games lol.

That's because a 9 signals that you really don't have anyone seriously complaining... it's the gold standard for making sure you are on point with everyone else, critics etc...

I've always used the 9 as the number to get a game, if you go for an 8 in very rare instances you might find something really interesting and exciting, but it's extremely rare and really reflects

the fact that they should have gotten a 9.

An 8 is basically , yo u could say it's the hidden element in all the things that we engage in that is really important, and that's time.

Time means 4 mediocre experiences aren't worth re 1 really good one ever, because you have limited time and in all ods quantity won't compensate for quality.

It's kinda unfortunate but that's also the nature of time really... lol... so it can be chalked up to a other fu unfair things from nature and the planet I guess....

I think to be a great video game person you just want to be sure to get all the 9s, and then everything runs great.

Gamespot dropped the ball when they gave KH3 an 8 but I think they know that now.

They're only bad in this dark corner called System Wars, no one else takes it that way.

LMAO, right? Like wtf is going on in your life that THIS gets you down? I'm pretty sure every fighting game in the last 10 years has gotten no more than an 8 or 9 and I've pumped hundreds of hours into all the ones I've bought. My god this is sad.