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#51 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I made a similar thread about how bad the Reach campaign was, it was well thought out with good arguments, and all I got was a bunch of butt hurt super Lems who just called me a Sony fanboy and didn't even try to refute my points.

Your going to get the same thing, don't let it bother you, if they can't argue back then their opinion doesn't matter much to begin with now does it?

The problem with the Reach campaign was how reptitive it was, it was literally kill a few enemies then walk/drive over to this point and turn on/off this switch, or defend this area, then walk again and kill more enemies.

The characters have no depth to them, they are just as bad as the Killzone characters are, they have zero personality and die in stupid ways (one of them just walks off to no where and leaves the game because he was so boring, Jung if I recall).

On top of this never do you once get the feeling of having this massive invasion, it feels like a joke.

Only good thing about Reach is the MP and it's full list of features, it dwarfs every other FPS out there in those terms. However it's game play is not as refined and it lacks the finess of other FPS out there like Killzone or BF or COD ect...It's game play feels outdated is another way of putting it.

But it's still a fun game to play with friends.

So in short, Halo Reach = bad SP, but good MP. If you don't have XBL the game is worthless, if you do it's fun. Overall I would give the game about an 8.

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it wasn't repetitive, you can boil down any single player fps campaign to that formula. they do a good job of breaking up the shooting with vehicle sections and give you open areas to approach the way you prefer like all halo games do. characters weren't all that good, thats bungie's fault, they have never been able to tell a good story through their games. and jun didn't just walk away. he was put in charge of escorting halsey to safety and killing her should they be captured by the covenant. yea you dont see most of the war, but noble 6 was never really meant to be on the front lines, they're meant to go on suicide missions the sheer amount of content reach gives you in multiplayer is unmatched on consoles. and the gameplay is fine, its halo with nice tweaks. only thing that was missing was a dedicated sprint button for the larger maps. i never felt it was outdated. in fact i thought it was a nice change from the typical quick death, aim down sights of most games today. its less about who shoots first and more about who's the better player. i disagree, i thought the campaign was great, especially co op. and you should never buy a halo game if its not for the multiplayer, thats the best part of the game

Not reptitive? Ok you can handle some of the fights how you want, but the objectives were the same, why were there so many switches you had to turn off/on all the time? There was a mission where you fly in space, but it's not very long.

The armor abilities do add some more strategy to the game, but the campaing was not very good IMO. There were parts where it was down right boring I though.

See I think Halo stopped being good campaigns after Halo 2. Hopefully 343 does it better. No doubt Halo has more modes and features than any other FPS I have played, I admit I wish Killzone or COD offered that, but alas they don't. But to me they have better game play which is what matters more to me.

And I don't think it's about who is the better player all the time, some weapons are more powerful than others and it's clear who is going to come out on top. But there is skill involved in Halo, just as there is with every other game out there.

We will agree to disagree, but I will be respectful about it. You are right about not buying it for the SP though, which is why I'm passing on Halo 4 (I will stil end up playing it at friends anyway), one of the reasons why I went to PS3. I get the full experinece with my games on there, 360 I did not. 343 will hopefully make better campaigns.

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[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I made a similar thread about how bad the Reach campaign was, it was well thought out with good arguments, and all I got was a bunch of butt hurt super Lems who just called me a Sony fanboy and didn't even try to refute my points.

Your going to get the same thing, don't let it bother you, if they can't argue back then their opinion doesn't matter much to begin with now does it?

The problem with the Reach campaign was how reptitive it was, it was literally kill a few enemies then walk/drive over to this point and turn on/off this switch, or defend this area, then walk again and kill more enemies.

The characters have no depth to them, they are just as bad as the Killzone characters are, they have zero personality and die in stupid ways (one of them just walks off to no where and leaves the game because he was so boring, Jung if I recall). On top of this never do you once get the feeling of having this massive invasion, it feels like a joke.

Only good thing about Reach is the MP and it's full list of features, it dwarfs every other FPS out there in those terms. However it's game play is not as refined and it lacks the finess of other FPS out there like Killzone or BF or COD ect...It's game play feels outdated is another way of putting it. But it's still a fun game to play with friends.

So in short, Halo Reach = bad SP, but good MP. If you don't have XBL the game is worthless, if you do it's fun. Overall I would give the game about an 8.

ShadowMoses900

Disagree. A scene between Noble leader and Cat was my favorite. Where she began the idea of commandeering a longsword, but had to bicker with Carter to even listen to the idea. It's in the dialogue that she obviously is the one that will question leadership, and has done so many times by the line "You can say no" which is delivered with the inflection that Carter has in the past. There are subtle nuances to the writing like this all through Reach, ODST, and Halo 3. You either like this universe, it's lore and stories or you dont. I'm sorry Shadow, I have a hard time believing you fired up any Halo game with a completely open mind towards the game. Your Sony loyalty is so readable.

You can believe whatever you want, I don't care. These were just my honest opinions which I even said I gave the game an 8, that's a good score. Sorry I didn't give it a perfect 10 like you wanted it, some people have different opinions and I don't think halo is the messiah of FPS games like you do. Funny you talk about me not being open minded when you arn't open minded yourself to handle someone else's opinion.

I have played every Halo game, aside from the RTS one. Best is CE, worst is ODST but I admit it has best atmosphere, but I paid $60 for it and it was too short to justify that purchase. To me SP is more important than MP, and Halo sucks in SP experiences this gen, and it's not the best MP out there either IMO. It has a lot of features, but more features doesn't mean more quality, Killzone, BF, COD ect...all have much better game play to me than Halo.

And lol at Sony loyalty, they are a giant corporation, I'm not loyal to them because I'm not a fascist nor do I own stock. Why would I be loyal to Sony? lol. I don't care what system a game is on, if I enjoy it I enjoy it, if not oh well. There are some PS3 games I don't like and some I do, that's how it is for every system.

ok. I did not give Reach a 10 so your angry I guess. And I merely shared one instance of character depth seen through the writing and voice acting delivery in Reach. Anyone who knows me here knows I say this a lot: I can't say what is best or worst, I don't have that authority. I only say this is what I like or don't. So my disbelief in your objectivity obviously struck a nerve. I never meant to hurt you, and am sorry.
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#53 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="cainetao11"] Disagree. A scene between Noble leader and Cat was my favorite. Where she began the idea of commandeering a longsword, but had to bicker with Carter to even listen to the idea. It's in the dialogue that she obviously is the one that will question leadership, and has done so many times by the line "You can say no" which is delivered with the inflection that Carter has in the past. There are subtle nuances to the writing like this all through Reach, ODST, and Halo 3. You either like this universe, it's lore and stories or you dont. I'm sorry Shadow, I have a hard time believing you fired up any Halo game with a completely open mind towards the game. Your Sony loyalty is so readable.cainetao11

You can believe whatever you want, I don't care. These were just my honest opinions which I even said I gave the game an 8, that's a good score. Sorry I didn't give it a perfect 10 like you wanted it, some people have different opinions and I don't think halo is the messiah of FPS games like you do. Funny you talk about me not being open minded when you arn't open minded yourself to handle someone else's opinion.

I have played every Halo game, aside from the RTS one. Best is CE, worst is ODST but I admit it has best atmosphere, but I paid $60 for it and it was too short to justify that purchase. To me SP is more important than MP, and Halo sucks in SP experiences this gen, and it's not the best MP out there either IMO. It has a lot of features, but more features doesn't mean more quality, Killzone, BF, COD ect...all have much better game play to me than Halo.

And lol at Sony loyalty, they are a giant corporation, I'm not loyal to them because I'm not a fascist nor do I own stock. Why would I be loyal to Sony? lol. I don't care what system a game is on, if I enjoy it I enjoy it, if not oh well. There are some PS3 games I don't like and some I do, that's how it is for every system.

ok. I did not give Reach a 10 so your angry I guess. And I merely shared one instance of character depth seen through the writing and voice acting delivery in Reach. Anyone who knows me here knows I say this a lot: I can't say what is best or worst, I don't have that authority. I only say this is what I like or don't. So my disbelief in your objectivity obviously struck a nerve. I never meant to hurt you, and am sorry.

Lol not sure why you think I'm angry, I think this is funny. You can say what's best or worst because it would be your opinion, that is just common sense, an opinion. When I said "Reach has a bad SP" that was an opinion, why do I need to phrase it differently? Some people are so politicaly correct these days....

People don't talk like that in real life. And there was nothing in Reach that had character depth, nothing made me care about the characters or when they died or anything, I didn't give a sh!t about any of them. They were all completely forgettable.

Most games however are the same way, come to think of it I have never felt emotinal in any game. Something the industry is lacking in, which if it's an art form it's missing it's basic key function, to relay ideas and stir emotions. I want a game to make me cry dammit!

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#54 cainetao11
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You said I wanted you to give reach a 10, stands to reason if that were true I would have given it a 10 myself. I didn't. You jumping to a defensive posture with your opening"you can believe whatever you want I don't care" is such a dead give away of anger. It psychology 101 dude. Yes, in a printed forum I do state my preferences as easily read opinions. Well noticed, kiddo. On character depth I disagree completely. But for sh!Ts and giggles, why don't you give me an example of character depth. I never needed to care about a character in order to notice the writer put layers into them. But as we know, you and I see things differently.
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I loved Halo Reach. Campaign was good, but the storytelling was dismal. Bungie just can't tell stories well if their lives depended on it. Multiplaye, Forge, and Firefight were outstanding though. Stevo_the_gamer

Bungie is hardly the worst at storytelling. In fact, they are pretty alright and create plenty of good beats in the story. Not amazing, but well made.

If you want terrible, I suggest you play the Killzone 3 campaign.

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#56 lundy86_4
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The game was fantastic. The multiplayer and firefight were fantastic! Campaign was fun and I enjoyed the departure from Master Chief.

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#57 PinnacleGamingP
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it wasnt the worst but it was pretty bad. i predict halo 4 the worst
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#58 WarTornRuston
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Reach was a relief in my opinion. Best Halo since the first one.

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#59 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Like other Halo's its for people new at shooters, extremely noobish.

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word, its like how the pc is a casual system and for people who dont actually know what good games are

but somehow managed to snag more high scoring exclusives this generation alone than all three consoles combined.

maybe next time ill just type *troll post* because people keep taking me seriously :P
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#60 GuillotineDream
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i thought it was the best halo so far. one of my favorite games this gen.
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#61 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="campzor"] i dont remember a sniper mission in CE...though its been like 8-9 years since i played the campaign last :\

Oh, well that explains that then. :P
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#62 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Halo was good in 2001 but 11 years latter it just doesn't hold up.

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#63 Heil68
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It was better than ODST but nowhere good as 3.
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It was better than ODST but nowhere good as 3. Heil68

ODST was terrible, I wasn't expecting much but I was actually shocked by how bad it was.

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#65 The_Joker1721
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I never understood why people disliked Halo Reach. I played and love Halo 3 but when Halo Reach dropped I couldn't get back into Halo 3. Guess it's just preference. I thought Halo Reach was fantastic all around.
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And the damage control for the 15.000.000 selling Halo 4 that will render anything else obsolete has begun

And this is only the begining, soon this forum will be flooded with posts about how crap Halo X is and how terribly Halo 4 will fail

The desparation has reached maximum levels, i never though people would start the damage control so early

But was expected since Halo 4 will not just have the perfect gameplay, but also looks like a next gen game this time, the ultimate anihilator game, noone will even know what PS3 is after that game is out

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#67 musicalmac  Moderator
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It's bad because you have terrible taste in games and a MGS avatar. Those usually go hand in hand. (Come at me)
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#68 loosingENDS
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It's bad because you have terrible taste in games and a MGS avatar. Those usually go hand in hand. (Come at me)musicalmac

Well said :)

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#69 clone01
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You must have received a broken copy, because my copy is awesome.

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I liked it but it wasn't better than 3.

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#71 loosingENDS
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I wonder why it is implied that is impossible to like both Halo 3 and Reach

I definatly loved them both

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#72 EliteM0nk3y
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I loved Halo 3, but I just didn't like Reach very much, and I'm not exactly sure why. While I'm not a fan of the customized loadouts, they didn't make the game bad. I just don't know really. Hopefully I'll like Halo 4 despite the changes to the multiplayer.
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Reach is bad compared to the third? Did you play Halo 3's singleplayer? It's outright underwhelming; better then Halo 2's downright poor singleplayer, but certainly not as good as the first.
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The MP gameplay was pretty good but the grey forge maps and the single player was some of the worse c*** this gen.

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It's bad because you have terrible taste in games and a MGS avatar. Those usually go hand in hand. (Come at me)musicalmac
Mgs is quite a fine game (although overhyped as hell) that doesn't use multiplayer to help leverage it's review score because I have to say it "without multiplayer Halo is nothing" all my best memories from halo is from its multiplayer but halo 2, 3, odst, and reaches campaigns were not that great with reach being the worst. Good day to you.
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#77 PAL360
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Halo reach is awesome. Just not as good as Halo CE or Halo 3.

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Halo Reach wasn't bad. I thought the campaign was pretty weak for Bungie though.
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And the damage control for the 15.000.000 selling Halo 4 that will render anything else obsolete has begun

And this is only the begining, soon this forum will be flooded with posts about how crap Halo X is and how terribly Halo 4 will fail

The desparation has reached maximum levels, i never though people would start the damage control so early

But was expected since Halo 4 will not just have the perfect gameplay, but also looks like a next gen game this time, the ultimate anihilator game, noone will even know what PS3 is after that game is out

loosingENDS

Or maybe so ppl have a different opinion then you and dont like it, I know, crazy thought right?

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#80 cainetao11
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tastes differ that's for sure. reach was awesome, odst was a blast , 3 was great. i am a big fan, others arent and its all cool
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the lack of the chiefMercenaryMafia
Implying the chief is an interesting charecter, or at least any more than noble 6
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#82 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]It's bad because you have terrible taste in games and a MGS avatar. Those usually go hand in hand. (Come at me)Ghost120x
Mgs is quite a fine game (although overhyped as hell) that doesn't use multiplayer to help leverage it's review score because I have to say it "without multiplayer Halo is nothing" all my best memories from halo is from its multiplayer but halo 2, 3, odst, and reaches campaigns were not that great with reach being the worst. Good day to you.

I was clearly being serious.
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reach was awesome. 2nd best halomems_1224
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

And the damage control for the 15.000.000 selling Halo 4 that will render anything else obsolete has begun

And this is only the begining, soon this forum will be flooded with posts about how crap Halo X is and how terribly Halo 4 will fail

The desparation has reached maximum levels, i never though people would start the damage control so early

But was expected since Halo 4 will not just have the perfect gameplay, but also looks like a next gen game this time, the ultimate anihilator game, noone will even know what PS3 is after that game is out

Postal_Guy

Or maybe so ppl have a different opinion then you and dont like it, I know, crazy thought right?

Well, when Halo is involved, it sure is a bit crazy

Everyone wants to play Halo

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#85 Michael0134567
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Not even close.

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#86 fadersdream
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Why do these Cow topics always begin the same: I didn't buy it, it was a gift. And I tried it but I didn't inhale... but I know some pople like it and I'm not judging... blah blah blah.

Reach isn't bad, it's a great game. That's why it has a really high score, sold millions of copies and is well regarded by the vast majority of people in the real world (not system wars), critics and gamers alike.

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This thread shows why debating quality here is stupid people something is bad and don't bother explaining why. And no, saying the campaign was bad is not going to cut it. Why was it bad? Why is the story bad? How is the story an integral part of enjoying the game? ect.

These aren't debates. This is people wanting to complain about something just to complain.

Personally I feel Reach was a great game but I just didn't like the pacing of combat as much. It takes five shots with the DMR, minimum to kill a player, versus the four for the BR in Halo 2 and 3 and three shots with the pistol in Halo 1. The base walking speed is slower as well and while I appreciate that they tried to change things up with armor abilities I feel that armor lock slows things down even further, acting as a pause button to combat.

The campaign was fun but alot of it just reimagines set pieces played out in past Halo games and while I found the plot entertaining enough I feel Kat and George ar the only character that are well realized enough to really care much about.I do, however, feel the ending was very strong.

I feel Bungie took some risks, which is admirable, but not all of them payed off. Overall I'd say it's still a great game that pretty polished and bolstered by an unriveled feature set.

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Well I only played Halo CE but it sucked balls. What I can see that they have in common is that they both are Halo games. So that's probably Halo Reach's problem. It's a Halo game.
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[QUOTE="vashkey"]This thread shows why debating quality here is stupid people something is bad and don't bother explaining why. And no, saying the campaign was bad is not going to cut it. Why was it bad? Why is the story bad? How is the story an integral part of enjoying the game? ect. These aren't debates. Personally I feel Reach was a great game but I just didn't like the pacing of combat as much. It takes five shots with the DMR, minimum to kill a player, versus the four for the BR in Halo 2 and 3 and three shots the pistol in Halo 1. The base walking speed is slower as well and while i appreciate that they tried to change things up with armor abilities I feel that armor lock slows things down even further, acting as a pause button to combat. The campaign was fun but alot of it just reimagines set pieces played out in past Halo games and while I found the plot entertaining enough I feel Kat and George ar the only character that are well realized enough to really care much about. I do, however, feel the ending was very strong. I feel Bungie took some risks, which is admirable, but not all of them payed off.

I really liked your post. I like reach, maybe more than you did, but your post was really explained and I respect that.
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#90 R3FURBISHED
Member since 2008 • 12408 Posts

My favorite game in the series. Favorite story, characters, settings,gameplay. Adding in phenominal changes to Forge and online play, Bungie killed it with Reach.

I can only speak for myself.

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#91 loosingENDS
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Why do these Cow topics always begin the same: I didn't buy it, it was a gift. And I tried it but I didn't inhale... but I know some pople like it and I'm not judging... blah blah blah.

Reach isn't bad, it's a great game. That's why it has a really high score, sold millions of copies and is well regarded by the vast majority of people in the real world (not system wars), critics and gamers alike.

fadersdream

Obviously, but these threads are the first signs of the desparation Halo 4 will create among the ranks of the PS3/PC fanboys

It not only is a Halo game, that has not been surpassed by anything in 10+ years now, but also looks better than anything on PS3 and PC

It is like a huge nail to the coffin of PS3/PC and it creates extreme fear and desparation in PC/PS3 fan hearts

I am sure the two threads we see today bashing Halo, will become 200+ as we come closer to the release of the most behemoth title of the last 15 years

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#92 Ninja-Hippo
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I loved Halo Reach. Campaign was good, but the storytelling was dismal. Bungie just can't tell stories well if their lives depended on it. Multiplaye, Forge, and Firefight were outstanding though. Stevo_the_gamer
Yup. Bungie are completely delusional when it comes to their story telling abilities.
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#94 RTCWGR1SCRB6H2
Member since 2012 • 271 Posts
I've played every halo game at launch, gotten every achievement and played over 10,000 multiplayer games of halo and it's simply not possible for halo 4 to be even half as bad as reach was.
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#95 worknow222
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I made a similar thread about how bad the Reach campaign was, it was well thought out with good arguments, and all I got was a bunch of butt hurt super Lems who just called me a Sony fanboy and didn't even try to refute my points.

Your going to get the same thing, don't let it bother you, if they can't argue back then their opinion doesn't matter much to begin with now does it?

The problem with the Reach campaign was how reptitive it was, it was literally kill a few enemies then walk/drive over to this point and turn on/off this switch, or defend this area, then walk again and kill more enemies.

The characters have no depth to them, they are just as bad as the Killzone characters are, they have zero personality and die in stupid ways (one of them just walks off to no where and leaves the game because he was so boring, Jung if I recall). On top of this never do you once get the feeling of having this massive invasion, it feels like a joke.

Only good thing about Reach is the MP and it's full list of features, it dwarfs every other FPS out there in those terms. However it's game play is not as refined and it lacks the finess of other FPS out there like Killzone or BF or COD ect...It's game play feels outdated is another way of putting it. But it's still a fun game to play with friends.

So in short, Halo Reach = bad SP, but good MP. If you don't have XBL the game is worthless, if you do it's fun. Overall I would give the game about an 8.

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Disagree. A scene between Noble leader and Cat was my favorite. Where she began the idea of commandeering a longsword, but had to bicker with Carter to even listen to the idea. It's in the dialogue that she obviously is the one that will question leadership, and has done so many times by the line "You can say no" which is delivered with the inflection that Carter has in the past. There are subtle nuances to the writing like this all through Reach, ODST, and Halo 3. You either like this universe, it's lore and stories or you dont. I'm sorry Shadow, I have a hard time believing you fired up any Halo game with a completely open mind towards the game. Your Sony loyalty is so readable.

Agreed you can learn alot about the characters if you listen to there dialogue or the way they move, in the animations.............Or you could read all the character bios bungie released, but wheres the fun in that?
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#96 Masenkoe
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Sorry loosey, not everybody wants to play Halo personally, I don't like it. I'll play CE on the PC but that's it. If I go over to a friend's house I cringe when they want to play Halo. It has to be the most boring FPS to date.

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#97 Ghost120x
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Why do these Cow topics always begin the same: I didn't buy it, it was a gift. And I tried it but I didn't inhale... but I know some pople like it and I'm not judging... blah blah blah.

Reach isn't bad, it's a great game. That's why it has a really high score, sold millions of copies and is well regarded by the vast majority of people in the real world (not system wars), critics and gamers alike.

fadersdream
So if I don't like halo reach I must be a cow? Maybe people should read the actual post instead of just the title. I said it's bad compared to the other halo games imo and I was specifically speaking about the campaign. It is poorly told, has terrible pacing and the tweaks to the movement speed to make the aa appear more effective, just to name a few.
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#98 StatusShuffle
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The problems is almost all FPS games released the same year as Reach was better than Reach, and at first it was no big deal because of Halo hype but 6 months later the complaints rolled in and people realized Reach was average. not bad, but average.
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#99 delta3074
Member since 2007 • 20003 Posts
Halo reach is my favorite Halo game to date, they took it back to CE with bigger enviroments i thought the 'last stand before we die' storyline was pretty good and they made the battle rifle look less like a bubble gun.
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#100 WithoutGraceXII
Member since 2007 • 1797 Posts
Definitely not bad imo, but its campaign probably is at the bottom of my list for full Halo games. SP/Coop Halo CE = Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo Reach > Halo ODST MP Halo 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halo Reach = Halo CE >>>>>>>>>>>> Halo 3