Why is it.....???

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. CoD 4 made modern miltary FPS's as popular as they are because of fast, fluid gameplay and lots of unlocks to work towards. From the videos Ive seen of MW3, Infinity Ward has done alot with the game by adding in the Strike Packages which is almost a Class based system that can let everyone tailor their game to their play style. Getting rid lame perks like Light Weight, Commando and Final Stand is a great thing for game play. Based on what Ive seen, this game looks like it is closer to MW1 than MW2 and that is a great thing!

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. CoD 4 made modern miltary FPS's as popular as they are because of fast, fluid gameplay and lots of unlocks to work towards. From the videos Ive seen of MW3, Infinity Ward has done alot with the game by adding in the Strike Packages which is almost a Class based system that can let everyone tailor their game to their play style. Getting rid lame perks like Light Weight, Commando and Final Stand is a great thing for game play. Based on what Ive seen, this game looks like it is closer to MW1 than MW2 and that is a great thing!

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

Because CoD corrupts the minds of FPS developers...nobody really cares about Madden.

Remember, before CoD became so popular Halo was the punching bag for everybody's hate.

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. ShoTTyMcNaDeS

Bloom and armor abilities were cosmetic changes? Those are just the big ones, I could go on and on about the changes from Halo 3 to Reach.

Yeah, CoD gets more flak it deserves but Halo is the wrong series you should e comparing to.

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. CoD 4 made modern miltary FPS's as popular as they are because of fast, fluid gameplay and lots of unlocks to work towards. From the videos Ive seen of MW3, Infinity Ward has done alot with the game by adding in the Strike Packages which is almost a Class based system that can let everyone tailor their game to their play style. Getting rid lame perks like Light Weight, Commando and Final Stand is a great thing for game play. Based on what Ive seen, this game looks like it is closer to MW1 than MW2 and that is a great thing!

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. vashkey

Bloom and armor abilities were cosmetic changes? Those are just the big ones, I could go on and on about the changes from Halo 3 to Reach.

Yeah, CoD gets more flak it deserves but Halo is the wrong series you should e comparing to.

This, Reach and 3 felt VERY different. Different vehicles, forge world, architechural changes, skull additions, customised armor abilities, new MP modes, new SP online modes, firefight and I could go on and on.

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. CoD 4 made modern miltary FPS's as popular as they are because of fast, fluid gameplay and lots of unlocks to work towards. From the videos Ive seen of MW3, Infinity Ward has done alot with the game by adding in the Strike Packages which is almost a Class based system that can let everyone tailor their game to their play style. Getting rid lame perks like Light Weight, Commando and Final Stand is a great thing for game play. Based on what Ive seen, this game looks like it is closer to MW1 than MW2 and that is a great thing!

peterw007

Because CoD corrupts the minds of FPS developers...nobody really cares about Madden.

Remember, before CoD became so popular Halo was the punching bag for everybody's hate.

This. First Halo ruined CoD. Now CoD ruins everyone else.

This. First Halo ruined CoD. Now CoD ruins everyone else.glez13

How did halo ruin CoD when it came out 2 years before it? And also how does CoD ruin other games? There was a thread made today proving that wrong.

And TC Halo has had 6 games in like 10 years, and that's counting ODST and Wars...

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. CoD 4 made modern miltary FPS's as popular as they are because of fast, fluid gameplay and lots of unlocks to work towards. From the videos Ive seen of MW3, Infinity Ward has done alot with the game by adding in the Strike Packages which is almost a Class based system that can let everyone tailor their game to their play style. Getting rid lame perks like Light Weight, Commando and Final Stand is a great thing for game play. Based on what Ive seen, this game looks like it is closer to MW1 than MW2 and that is a great thing!

peterw007

Because CoD corrupts the minds of FPS developers...nobody really cares about Madden.

Remember, before CoD became so popular Halo was the punching bag for everybody's hate.

CoD just follows in the shadows with everyones other features (theater,EXPand levelling,game modes,create a class are a few ones off the top of my head) it doesnt innovate, it tends to copy and fanboys go ooohhh wow no other game like has that and then theres the numpty's who will be sucked in with Elite and that in turn is bad for consumers.

Its deserving a lot of flak the whole FPS genre (well most of it) is in some way trying to copy it and other genre's are trying to change their own games to appeal to CoD players for example uncharted.

I dont have a problem with the gameplay but its online system is balls and its pushing the industry in a WRONG direction single handedly because its such a big franchise its a shame.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. CoD 4 made modern miltary FPS's as popular as they are because of fast, fluid gameplay and lots of unlocks to work towards. From the videos Ive seen of MW3, Infinity Ward has done alot with the game by adding in the Strike Packages which is almost a Class based system that can let everyone tailor their game to their play style. Getting rid lame perks like Light Weight, Commando and Final Stand is a great thing for game play. Based on what Ive seen, this game looks like it is closer to MW1 than MW2 and that is a great thing!

razgriz_101

Because CoD corrupts the minds of FPS developers...nobody really cares about Madden.

Remember, before CoD became so popular Halo was the punching bag for everybody's hate.

CoD just follows in the shadows with everyones other features (theater,EXPand levelling,game modes,create a class are a few ones off the top of my head) it doesnt innovate, it tends to copy and fanboys go ooohhh wow no other game like has that and then theres the numpty's who will be sucked in with Elite and that in turn is bad for consumers.

Its deserving a lot of flak the whole FPS genre (well most of it) is in some way trying to copy it and other genre's are trying to change their own games to appeal to CoD players for example uncharted.

I dont have a problem with the gameplay but its online system is balls and its pushing the industry in a WRONG direction single handedly because its such a big franchise its a shame.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. CoD 4 made modern miltary FPS's as popular as they are because of fast, fluid gameplay and lots of unlocks to work towards. From the videos Ive seen of MW3, Infinity Ward has done alot with the game by adding in the Strike Packages which is almost a Class based system that can let everyone tailor their game to their play style. Getting rid lame perks like Light Weight, Commando and Final Stand is a great thing for game play. Based on what Ive seen, this game looks like it is closer to MW1 than MW2 and that is a great thing!

glez13

Because CoD corrupts the minds of FPS developers...nobody really cares about Madden.

Remember, before CoD became so popular Halo was the punching bag for everybody's hate.

This. First Halo ruined CoD. Now CoD ruins everyone else.

You are a cool guy if you hate/bash popular things:P

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. CoD 4 made modern miltary FPS's as popular as they are because of fast, fluid gameplay and lots of unlocks to work towards. From the videos Ive seen of MW3, Infinity Ward has done alot with the game by adding in the Strike Packages which is almost a Class based system that can let everyone tailor their game to their play style. Getting rid lame perks like Light Weight, Commando and Final Stand is a great thing for game play. Based on what Ive seen, this game looks like it is closer to MW1 than MW2 and that is a great thing!

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

I just think when you look at what CoD does right....control, game types, customization, ranks and stat tracking, etc... I just fail to see the issue with this franchise. Plus MW3 will be running at a silky smooth 60 fps. BF3 on consoles will be churning out 30 fps and even on the PC version you are going to have to the greatest of the great when it comes to video cards, CPU and RAM to attain and maintain 60fps. Yes, I know BF3 will smoke MW3 in the visual corner, but I honestly have never though CoD 4, MW2 or MW3 look so bad to begin with.

I just think when you look at what CoD does right....control, game types, customization, ranks and stat tracking, etc... I just fail to see the issue with this franchise. Plus MW3 will be running at a silky smooth 60 fps. BF3 on consoles will be churning out 30 fps and even on the PC version you are going to have to the greatest of the great when it comes to video cards, CPU and RAM to attain and maintain 60fps. Yes, I know BF3 will smoke MW3 in the visual corner, but I honestly have never though CoD 4, MW2 or MW3 look so bad to begin with.

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

also the 60fps is not a big deal at all. battlefield has waaaaay more stuff going on than CoD. its not going to make a difference

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Because CoD corrupts the minds of FPS developers...nobody really cares about Madden.

Remember, before CoD became so popular Halo was the punching bag for everybody's hate.

dotWithShoes

CoD just follows in the shadows with everyones other features (theater,EXPand levelling,game modes,create a class are a few ones off the top of my head) it doesnt innovate, it tends to copy and fanboys go ooohhh wow no other game like has that and then theres the numpty's who will be sucked in with Elite and that in turn is bad for consumers.

Its deserving a lot of flak the whole FPS genre (well most of it) is in some way trying to copy it and other genre's are trying to change their own games to appeal to CoD players for example uncharted.

I dont have a problem with the gameplay but its online system is balls and its pushing the industry in a WRONG direction single handedly because its such a big franchise its a shame.

paying for things like in game gold tag,strategy guides (available free and easily on sites like this and unecessary for CoD),Elite tv,basically to get the full out of clan functionality one must have elite aswell which to be honest is bad.

DLC's cool and all that but its pointless all you really are doing is paying upfront then you can dick measure with a few toys that everyone will just laugh at.

People complain about Madden...

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

CoD just follows in the shadows with everyones other features (theater,EXPand levelling,game modes,create a class are a few ones off the top of my head) it doesnt innovate, it tends to copy and fanboys go ooohhh wow no other game like has that and then theres the numpty's who will be sucked in with Elite and that in turn is bad for consumers.

Its deserving a lot of flak the whole FPS genre (well most of it) is in some way trying to copy it and other genre's are trying to change their own games to appeal to CoD players for example uncharted.

I dont have a problem with the gameplay but its online system is balls and its pushing the industry in a WRONG direction single handedly because its such a big franchise its a shame.

razgriz_101

paying for things like in game gold tag,strategy guides (available free and easily on sites like this and unecessary for CoD),Elite tv,basically to get the full out of clan functionality one must have elite aswell which to be honest is bad.

DLC's cool and all that but its pointless all you really are doing is paying upfront then you can dick measure with a few toys that everyone will just laugh at.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"] So Elite is bad for saving people money?timmy00

paying for things like in game gold tag,strategy guides (available free and easily on sites like this and unecessary for CoD),Elite tv,basically to get the full out of clan functionality one must have elite aswell which to be honest is bad.

DLC's cool and all that but its pointless all you really are doing is paying upfront then you can dick measure with a few toys that everyone will just laugh at.

i dont even know if i will get MW3, skyrim comes out the same week :p

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

paying for things like in game gold tag,strategy guides (available free and easily on sites like this and unecessary for CoD),Elite tv,basically to get the full out of clan functionality one must have elite aswell which to be honest is bad.

DLC's cool and all that but its pointless all you really are doing is paying upfront then you can dick measure with a few toys that everyone will just laugh at.

razgriz_101

i dont even know if i will get MW3, skyrim comes out the same week :p

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

CoD just follows in the shadows with everyones other features (theater,EXPand levelling,game modes,create a class are a few ones off the top of my head) it doesnt innovate, it tends to copy and fanboys go ooohhh wow no other game like has that and then theres the numpty's who will be sucked in with Elite and that in turn is bad for consumers.

Its deserving a lot of flak the whole FPS genre (well most of it) is in some way trying to copy it and other genre's are trying to change their own games to appeal to CoD players for example uncharted.

I dont have a problem with the gameplay but its online system is balls and its pushing the industry in a WRONG direction single handedly because its such a big franchise its a shame.

razgriz_101

paying for things like in game gold tag,strategy guides (available free and easily on sites like this and unecessary for CoD),Elite tv,basically to get the full out of clan functionality one must have elite aswell which to be honest is bad.

DLC's cool and all that but its pointless all you really are doing is paying upfront then you can dick measure with a few toys that everyone will just laugh at.

Halo games do not get released every year. Please do not put them in the same catagory with CoD annual rehashes.

Well Halo actually has changes between installments that are signifigant. (ie, the power ups in Reach.) There's nothing wrong with retaining core gameplay. I mean, Zelda is my favorite series ever. But the CoD games hardly even try to change, it seems, with each installment.

I just think when you look at what CoD does right....control, game types, customization, ranks and stat tracking, etc... I just fail to see the issue with this franchise. Plus MW3 will be running at a silky smooth 60 fps. BF3 on consoles will be churning out 30 fps and even on the PC version you are going to have to the greatest of the great when it comes to video cards, CPU and RAM to attain and maintain 60fps. Yes, I know BF3 will smoke MW3 in the visual corner, but I honestly have never though CoD 4, MW2 or MW3 look so bad to begin with.

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Because CoD corrupts the minds of FPS developers...nobody really cares about Madden.

Remember, before CoD became so popular Halo was the punching bag for everybody's hate.

delta3074

This. First Halo ruined CoD. Now CoD ruins everyone else.

Halo games do not get released every year. Please do not put them in the same catagory with CoD annual rehashes.

Bigboi500

^ exactly this

I agree man and they ignore people like nintendo who also do annual releases.

There's a zelda and mario for almost every year the wii has been on the market.

For zelda there's..

-TP

-Phantom Hourglass

-Spirit Tracks

-Skyward sword.

That's a zelda for almost every year!

Mario has -

- New Super Mario bros (DS)

- Yoshi's Island

- Super Mario Galaxy

- New Super Mario bros (wii)

- Super Mario Galaxy 2

- Super Mario 3D Land

This is actually more than 1 a year and this is not counting the Mario RPGs.

I agree man and they ignore people like nintendo who also do annual releases.

There's a zelda and mario for almost every year the wii has been on the market.

For zelda there's..

-TP

-Phantom Hourglass

-Spirit Tracks

-Skyward sword.

That's a zelda for almost every year!

Mario has -

- New Super Mario bros (DS)

- Yoshi's Island

- Super Mario Galaxy

- New Super Mario bros (wii)

- Super Mario Galaxy 2

- Super Mario 3D Land

This is actually more than 1 a year and this is not counting the Mario RPGs.

GD1551

The Mario games you listed (Yoshi's Island, what? Game's old) are all very different from eachother, and the Zelda games have pretty signifigant differences between the two. and they aren't released annually.

The Mario games you listed (Yoshi's Island, what? Game's old) are all very different from eachother, and the Zelda games have pretty signifigant differences between the two. and they aren't released annually.

turtlethetaffer

Yoshi's island is a mario game but I could leave it off if you want, still annual rehashing and they don't play very different from their source game. SMG plays almost the same as SM64 and the SMB games play like normal SMB. Also noticed I said "almost" annually, not only that but the zelda games once again go back to their source games, LTTP and OOT so they aren't fresh at all.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

The Mario games you listed (Yoshi's Island, what? Game's old) are all very different from eachother, and the Zelda games have pretty signifigant differences between the two. and they aren't released annually.

GD1551

Yoshi's island is a mario game but I could leave it off if you want, still annual rehashing and they don't play very different from their source game. SMG plays almost the same as SM64 and the SMB games play like normal SMB. Also noticed I said "almost" annually, not only that but the zelda games once again go back to their source games, LTTP and OOT so they aren't fresh at all.

I know Yoshi is a Mario game, but it's old. It was originally released for the SNES.

And SMG plays similarly to SM64, but, then again, so does Super Mario Sunshine. So that game is a rehas, too?

Also, the Zelda games are fresh because of the new mechanics they introduce. PH and ST had some pretty different forms of travel, and SS is shaping up to be one of the more unique Zelda games. (ie the dungeons basically blend into the overworld.)

I agree man and they ignore people like nintendo who also do annual releases.

There's a zelda and mario for almost every year the wii has been on the market.

For zelda there's..

-TP

-Phantom Hourglass

-Spirit Tracks

-Skyward sword.

That's a zelda for almost every year!

Mario has -

- New Super Mario bros (DS)

- Yoshi's Island

- Super Mario Galaxy

- New Super Mario bros (wii)

- Super Mario Galaxy 2

- Super Mario 3D Land

This is actually more than 1 a year and this is not counting the Mario RPGs.

GD1551

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

The Mario games you listed (Yoshi's Island, what? Game's old) are all very different from eachother, and the Zelda games have pretty signifigant differences between the two. and they aren't released annually.

turtlethetaffer

Yoshi's island is a mario game but I could leave it off if you want, still annual rehashing and they don't play very different from their source game. SMG plays almost the same as SM64 and the SMB games play like normal SMB. Also noticed I said "almost" annually, not only that but the zelda games once again go back to their source games, LTTP and OOT so they aren't fresh at all.

I know Yoshi is a Mario game, but it's old. It was originally released for the SNES.

And SMG plays similarly to SM64, but, then again, so does Super Mario Sunshine. So that game is a rehas, too?

Also, the Zelda games are fresh because of the new mechanics they introduce. PH and ST had some pretty different forms of travel, and SS is shaping up to be one of the more unique Zelda games. (ie the dungeons basically blend into the overworld.)

SMS actually tried to be widely different. Oh I also forgot the OOT:3DS which would make it a zelda game for every year!

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I agree man and they ignore people like nintendo who also do annual releases.

There's a zelda and mario for almost every year the wii has been on the market.

For zelda there's..

-TP

-Phantom Hourglass

-Spirit Tracks

-Skyward sword.

That's a zelda for almost every year!

Mario has -

- New Super Mario bros (DS)

- Yoshi's Island

- Super Mario Galaxy

- New Super Mario bros (wii)

- Super Mario Galaxy 2

- Super Mario 3D Land

This is actually more than 1 a year and this is not counting the Mario RPGs.

timmy00

But apprently, because they have the same basic structure, they are rehashes.

That's hardly a bad thing. Besides some of the games you listed are quite different from the previous games.

timmy00

I just find it hilarious MW gets bashed for the rehashing when the kings of rehash themselves get a free pass.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Yoshi's island is a mario game but I could leave it off if you want, still annual rehashing and they don't play very different from their source game. SMG plays almost the same as SM64 and the SMB games play like normal SMB. Also noticed I said "almost" annually, not only that but the zelda games once again go back to their source games, LTTP and OOT so they aren't fresh at all.

GD1551

I know Yoshi is a Mario game, but it's old. It was originally released for the SNES.

And SMG plays similarly to SM64, but, then again, so does Super Mario Sunshine. So that game is a rehas, too?

Also, the Zelda games are fresh because of the new mechanics they introduce. PH and ST had some pretty different forms of travel, and SS is shaping up to be one of the more unique Zelda games. (ie the dungeons basically blend into the overworld.)

SMS actually tried to be widely different. Oh I also forgot the OOT:3DS which would make it a zelda game for every year!

Have you played the Zelda games? They are very different from one another, in the dungeon design and overworld alone, let alone gameplay mechanics.

But apprently, because they have the same basic structure, they are rehashes.

turtlethetaffer

If that doesn't make it a rehash what does? The Cod games all have something different this gen.

- 4 introduced perks and revamped MP.

- WAW introduced zombie mode

- MW2 introduced spec ops

- BO had wager matches as well as several new game modes and contracts

- MW3's changes are listed here.

So is having the same basic structure making you a rehash or not? Because COD will not be a rehash if that's the case.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

I know Yoshi is a Mario game, but it's old. It was originally released for the SNES.

And SMG plays similarly to SM64, but, then again, so does Super Mario Sunshine. So that game is a rehas, too?

Also, the Zelda games are fresh because of the new mechanics they introduce. PH and ST had some pretty different forms of travel, and SS is shaping up to be one of the more unique Zelda games. (ie the dungeons basically blend into the overworld.)

turtlethetaffer

SMS actually tried to be widely different. Oh I also forgot the OOT:3DS which would make it a zelda game for every year!

Have you played the Zelda games? They are very different from one another, in the dungeon design and overworld alone, let alone gameplay mechanics.

I've played all the console ones and only 1 of the handheld ones, they have the same gameplay mechanics.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

But apprently, because they have the same basic structure, they are rehashes.

GD1551

If that doesn't make it a rehash what does? The Cod games all have something different this gen.

- 4 introduced perks and revamped MP.

- WAW introduced zombie mode

- MW2 introduced spec ops

- BO had wager matches as well as several new game modes and contracts

- MW3's changes are listed here.

So is having the same basic structure making you a rehash or not? Because COD will not be a rehash if that's the case.

4 was a great game. I loved it.

WAW, beyond Zombies, was still very similar.

MW2... quite a few of the and Spec Ops were from CoD4 (hell one of them was the All Ghillied Up mission from Cod4 but going a different direction) and many other missions were ripped from the campaign. (Which was quite unspectacular, btw.)

BO's contracts did very little to change anything, aside from new ways to earn currency. Same with the Wager Matches.

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. CoD 4 made modern miltary FPS's as popular as they are because of fast, fluid gameplay and lots of unlocks to work towards. From the videos Ive seen of MW3, Infinity Ward has done alot with the game by adding in the Strike Packages which is almost a Class based system that can let everyone tailor their game to their play style. Getting rid lame perks like Light Weight, Commando and Final Stand is a great thing for game play. Based on what Ive seen, this game looks like it is closer to MW1 than MW2 and that is a great thing!

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

Halo doesnt make new games each year, and each time a new game is released its a new engine and a lot of new stuff is added (eg: firefight, forge)

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

SMS actually tried to be widely different. Oh I also forgot the OOT:3DS which would make it a zelda game for every year!

GD1551

Have you played the Zelda games? They are very different from one another, in the dungeon design and overworld alone, let alone gameplay mechanics.

I've played all the console ones and only 1 of the handheld ones, they have the same gameplay mechanics.

Right... so we'll ignore the fac that in TP, you can transform into a Wolf, in OoT, you go backwards and forwards in time (which, I'll admit, wasn't too signifigant of a difference), WW you were sailing around, looking for treasure in a huge world (also tons of sidequests), Majora's Mask you could change your form into a Deku Scrub, Goron or Zora (not to mention replay everything) and in SS, from what we know, the dungeons blend in with the overworld, and you can fly?!

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

That's hardly a bad thing. Besides some of the games you listed are quite different from the previous games.

GD1551

I just find it hilarious MW gets bashed for the rehashing when the kings of rehash themselves get a free pass.

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

i dont even know if i will get MW3, skyrim comes out the same week :p

sami117

Me too. ThINK OF THE MODS..

I hear so many cool mods for New Vegas. Makes me jelly. :[

:P

I simply dont understand why the CoD franchise continually gets beat up about not being innovative with each new title but other high profile franchises like Halo and Madden release new games each year and do nothing but add in cosmetic changes but the core gameplay reamains true to the series. CoD 4 made modern miltary FPS's as popular as they are because of fast, fluid gameplay and lots of unlocks to work towards. From the videos Ive seen of MW3, Infinity Ward has done alot with the game by adding in the Strike Packages which is almost a Class based system that can let everyone tailor their game to their play style. Getting rid lame perks like Light Weight, Commando and Final Stand is a great thing for game play. Based on what Ive seen, this game looks like it is closer to MW1 than MW2 and that is a great thing!

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

I'll agree that Madden is a very copy and paste reiteration of its titles. But any rant Halo gets for rehashing the "same game over and over" is completely unjustified. Unless you can point out any of the following that we've actually been doing in CE:

* dual weilding
* vehicle jacking
* 4 player co-op campaign
* photo and video capturing
* custom map making
* custom game type making
* having an in-game community sharing features
* weapon loadouts
* armour abilities
* co-op survival mode (Firefight)

Each iteration of the Halo series always brought something new to the table with more then just new weapons and skins, but gameplay mechanics that changed the dynamics of both the campaign and competitive landscape. And from each new game, taking what was brought before, the features stacked up to dramatically change the way players got togther in custom and ranked matches.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Halo games do not get released every year. Please do not put them in the same catagory with CoD annual rehashes.

Macutchi

^ exactly this

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="sami117"]

Me too. ThINK OF THE MODS..

sami117

I hear so many cool mods for New Vegas. Makes me jelly. :[

:P

add me on steam if you get a chance... ripsaw117