Why is it ok for Bioshock to not have multiplayer, but not ok for MP3???

Compare System shock 2 to Metroid Prime
Compare Deus Ex to Metroid Prime 2
Compare Bioshock to Metroid Prime 3
You will then have your answer
games on the left >>> games on the right.martin_f

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]If you're going to complain about Metroid Prime 3 not having multiplayer, you might as well complain about Twilight Princess, or even Mario not having multiplayer. Seriously, Metroid has more in common with those than it does with your online shooters such as Halo.REVOLUTIONfreak

Lock-on is still included in the game, however, some quicker and/or more advance enemies require more percision and therefore some manual aiming required.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]If you're going to complain about Metroid Prime 3 not having multiplayer, you might as well complain about Twilight Princess, or even Mario not having multiplayer. Seriously, Metroid has more in common with those than it does with your online shooters such as Halo.REVOLUTIONfreak

How many online multiplayer shooter does xbox 360 have? TONS

How many does Wii have? Nada.

So which Game should have an online multiplayer? nuff said.

And even if Bioshock would have a multiplayer option, who's gonna play it when theres tons of better online multiplayer games for the 360. Its just gonna be waste of effort, time and money for the dev.

Because there are already several great multiplayer shooters on the Xbox 360...an online shooter doesn't exist on the Wii yet.dracula_16

[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]If you're going to complain about Metroid Prime 3 not having multiplayer, you might as well complain about Twilight Princess, or even Mario not having multiplayer. Seriously, Metroid has more in common with those than it does with your online shooters such as Halo.Tamarind_Face

How many online multiplayer shooter does xbox 360 have? TONS

How many does Wii have? Nada.

So which Game should have an online multiplayer? nuff said.

And even if Bioshock would have a multiplayer option, who's gonna play it when theres tons of better online multiplayer games for the 360. Its just gonna be waste of effort, time and money for the dev.

Multiplayer does not fit well with the Metroid series and is not necessary. The Metroid series' strong points are exploration, pluzzle solving, and strategic boss battles. Those points do not translate well into an online shooter. Multiplayer would seem tacked on (like in Echoes) and a completly different experience than what the game reallyis, just as "Online Mario Fire-ball throwing competition", or "Link's online archery death match" would be.

It's funny that peope complain about the Wii being suited only for casual players.. Now with Metroid Prime 3,a very deep andepic game single player game, people seem to complain that it's not more like Metroid Prime Hunters; which can be roughly translated into "Metroid Prime for casuals". Same can be said for Zelda: Four Swords Adventure, do people want all the new Zelda games to be like that (a party game)since it could possibly be an online multiplayer experience? I'm not saying those are bad games at all, I'm just saying they are spin offs from their main respective series' for good reasons.

If you're going to complain about Metroid Prime 3 not having multiplayer, you might as well complain about Twilight Princess, or even Mario not having multiplayer. Seriously, Metroid has more in common with those than it does with your online shooters such as Halo._BlueDuck_

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]If you're going to complain about Metroid Prime 3 not having multiplayer, you might as well complain about Twilight Princess, or even Mario not having multiplayer. Seriously, Metroid has more in common with those than it does with your online shooters such as Halo.peaceful_anger

Just talking to people who seem to think Metroid Prime 3 without multiplayer is the equivalent of Halo 3without multiplayer.

1. Metroid has had online before

2. The Wii has no online games and this is a perfect oppurtunity

R-Dot-Yung

1. Metroid Prime Hunters?

2. Pokemon Battle Revolution

[QUOTE="darkodonnie"]

I would guess it is just that people were hopeful for online/splitscreen multiplayer with MP3 because: the DS version had good online, the Wii has 0 good online games, and Wii games are usually more fun with multiplayer than alone

meanwhile nobody expected online from Bioshock, and 360 owners have COD2/3, Gears of War, Halo 3, RB6: Vegas, FEAR, etc. for shooters with online multiplayer

Tamarind_Face

With Bioshock we didnt expect any online multiplayer. Only the ignorant complained about it not having online multiplayer.

I'm a sheep and i never expect Metroid Prime to have multiplayer considering MP2, are u trying to make up some story becoz i know most sheeps dont care if MP3 is not online since its main focus is single player GAWD!

Another point to the argument:

How many online multiplayer shooter does xbox 360 have? TONS

How many does Wii have? Nada.

So which Game should have an online multiplayer? nuff said.

And even if Bioshock would have a multiplayer option, who's gonna play it when theres tons of better online multiplayer games for the 360. Its just gonna be waste of effort, time and money for the dev.

Tamarind_Face

Wait, so your logic is that since the Xbox 360 already has online shooters that no more should ever be made? And how do you know that mp for bioshock would have sucked? It sounds to me like your assuming that it would just so you could insult MP3 for not being online.

because bio shock looks good

MP3 doesnt look good.

Would you like Oblivion to have MP ? Even if it did it would've been half arsed. Bioshock will keep you busy for a very long time...Mp3 won't.turgore

Well obviously they keep bringing it up just to bash the game, but I would guess that what started them off is the fact that Metroid Prime is the number 1 shooter on GC/Wii and it has no good multiplayer and Wii doesn't really have anything to fill that role either. Whereas with 360, Bioshock doesn't need it because the lemmings have Halo.....and a billion other online shooters but mainly Halo.

The complex AI and game mechanics of bioshock make result in 1000s of strategys which would take forever to full explore. Ill play MP3... but its going to be very static and task oriented. The other thing is that MP3 could have been a great first online shooter... there are already enough online shooters for the 360... yet zero on the Wii.

Just so yall know, I think MP3 and Bioshock are similar in the fact that they will both have an excellent single player experience since they are both single player focused games. They both will have compelling storylines that revolve around the exploration and the experiences of the main character. I am personally happy they don't have multiplayer because every game doesn't need multiplayer especially when that's not what the game is even about.

But here's what I don't understand. Why do lemmings think it is okay for Bioshock to not have multiplayer, but think MP3 should have it? I find it rather sad and hypocritical that yall automatically think MP3 is going to suck now or isn't worth getting anymore because of the lack of multiplayer when Bioshock doesn't have it either, yet yall still praise it.

So lemmings, please explain to me why you think Metroid Prime 3, an FPA, should have multiplayer, but Bioshock, an FPS with RPG elements, shouldn't?

I also can't wait to see how these games get reviewed. I wonder if they both will get docked points for a lack of multiplayer (which I don't think they should), or if MP3 gets docked pts for a lack of multiplayer butnot Bioshock, or vice versa.

peaceful_anger

1. Metroid has had online before

2. The Wii has no online games and this is a perfect oppurtunity

R-Dot-Yung

What this man said

[QUOTE="turgore"]Would you like Oblivion to have MP ? Even if it did it would've been half arsed. Bioshock will keep you busy for a very long time...Mp3 won't.Sir-Marwin105

True, I saw in an interview with the devs that bioshock will be about 15 hours long.

Would you like Oblivion to have MP ? Even if it did it would've been half arsed. Bioshock will keep you busy for a very long time...Mp3 won't.turgore

because bio shock looks good

MP3 doesnt look good.

tree-branch

Hello? he's asking about multiplayer not graphics, wow dumbest response i've seen today:lol:

Would you like Oblivion to have MP ? Even if it did it would've been half arsed. Bioshock will keep you busy for a very long time...Mp3 won't.turgore

i would love a multiplayer oblivion -- when can you have it ready? :D

Bioshock will inevitablly have co-op sooner or later on the PC. No milk chocolate for console players though.Vandalvideo

Maybe, and if it's as bad as SS2's after-the-fact patched in multiplayer was then I won't really miss it.

Anyway, I'm hugely looking forward to BioShock and MP3 and I don't particularly mind the fact that neither will have mutiplayer (and this is someone who loves playing[certain] shooters online.) Why? Neither game is really geared toward the multiplayer experience like Gears, Halo, etc. are. They're different types of games, very SP oriented.

because bio shock looks good

MP3 doesnt look good.tree-branch

See Metroid Prime Hunters.

That had mp, why not corruption?

Like every other response, MP in prior MP is the reason.

A slap in the face to sheep everywhere from Nintendo.

At this rate, it doesn't matter how many units the Wii sells, because the better playing games will be on other systems.

Like every other response, MP in prior MP is the reason.

A slap in the face to sheep everywhere from Nintendo.

At this rate, it doesn't matter how many units the Wii sells, because the better playing games will be on other systems.

mentzer

Um what? How is a single player game that was designed from the ground up as a single player game a slap in the face to sheep? MPH was designed from the grownd up as a multiplayer on line game that is why it was multiplayer. The Main Prime games were not. The rest of your post is just fanboy ramblings.

See Metroid Prime Hunters.

That had mp, why not corruption?

skrat_01

[QUOTE="mentzer"]

Like every other response, MP in prior MP is the reason.

A slap in the face to sheep everywhere from Nintendo.

At this rate, it doesn't matter how many units the Wii sells, because the better playing games will be on other systems.

Ichiroisawsome

Um what? How is a single player game that was designed from the ground up as a single player game a slap in the face to sheep? MPH was designed from the grownd up as a multiplayer on line game that is why it was multiplayer. The Main Prime games were not. The rest of your post is just fanboy ramblings.

Did you not read my post?

So because a specific entry in the Metroid Prime series is online one shouldn't expect future offerings to be online? Especially since that is the norm today in gaming?

You're the fanboy.

Sorry, but Nintendo shafted the sheep again this gen due to it's refusal to step into the 21st century.

Online is a basic component in gaming now. Pathetic that the Nintendo and the Wii fails so miserably at it.

Would you like Oblivion to have MP ? Even if it did it would've been half arsed. Bioshock will keep you busy for a very long time...Mp3 won't.turgore

And you know this.......how?

See Metroid Prime Hunters.

That had mp, why not corruption?

skrat_01

That's the reason why it shouldn't have multiplayer. If they release a Metriod game that is multiplayer centric then I'll all for it, but I would not agree to a half-baked, tacked on, poorly implemented multiplayer.

[QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"][QUOTE="mentzer"]

Like every other response, MP in prior MP is the reason.

A slap in the face to sheep everywhere from Nintendo.

At this rate, it doesn't matter how many units the Wii sells, because the better playing games will be on other systems.

mentzer

Um what? How is a single player game that was designed from the ground up as a single player game a slap in the face to sheep? MPH was designed from the grownd up as a multiplayer on line game that is why it was multiplayer. The Main Prime games were not. The rest of your post is just fanboy ramblings.

Did you not read my post?

So because a specific entry in the Metroid Prime series is online one shouldn't expect future offerings to be online? Especially since that is the norm today in gaming?

You're the fanboy.

Sorry, but Nintendo shafted the sheep again this gen due to it's refusal to step into the 21st century.

Online is a basic component in gaming now. Pathetic that the Nintendo and the Wii fails so miserably at it.

If it's a really good story driven FPS it's ok for it to not have multiplayer. The Chronicles of Riddick anyone? I think it applies for both Bioshock and MP3.

[QUOTE="mentzer"][QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"][QUOTE="mentzer"]

Like every other response, MP in prior MP is the reason.

A slap in the face to sheep everywhere from Nintendo.

At this rate, it doesn't matter how many units the Wii sells, because the better playing games will be on other systems.

kingsy_the_one

Um what? How is a single player game that was designed from the ground up as a single player game a slap in the face to sheep? MPH was designed from the grownd up as a multiplayer on line game that is why it was multiplayer. The Main Prime games were not. The rest of your post is just fanboy ramblings.

Did you not read my post?

So because a specific entry in the Metroid Prime series is online one shouldn't expect future offerings to be online? Especially since that is the norm today in gaming?

You're the fanboy.

Sorry, but Nintendo shafted the sheep again this gen due to it's refusal to step into the 21st century.

Online is a basic component in gaming now. Pathetic that the Nintendo and the Wii fails so miserably at it.

Who said the console based MP games are run and gun shooters?

Another one who can't read :roll:

Why not address why Nintendo and online are still so far apart?

Maybe because you can't.

[QUOTE="kingsy_the_one"][QUOTE="mentzer"][QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"][QUOTE="mentzer"]

Like every other response, MP in prior MP is the reason.

A slap in the face to sheep everywhere from Nintendo.

At this rate, it doesn't matter how many units the Wii sells, because the better playing games will be on other systems.

mentzer

Um what? How is a single player game that was designed from the ground up as a single player game a slap in the face to sheep? MPH was designed from the grownd up as a multiplayer on line game that is why it was multiplayer. The Main Prime games were not. The rest of your post is just fanboy ramblings.

Did you not read my post?

So because a specific entry in the Metroid Prime series is online one shouldn't expect future offerings to be online? Especially since that is the norm today in gaming?

You're the fanboy.

Sorry, but Nintendo shafted the sheep again this gen due to it's refusal to step into the 21st century.

Online is a basic component in gaming now. Pathetic that the Nintendo and the Wii fails so miserably at it.

Who said the console based MP games are run and gun shooters?

Another one who can't read :roll:

Why not address why Nintendo and online are still so far apart?

Maybe because you can't.

[QUOTE="kingsy_the_one"][QUOTE="mentzer"][QUOTE="Ichiroisawsome"][QUOTE="mentzer"]

Like every other response, MP in prior MP is the reason.

A slap in the face to sheep everywhere from Nintendo.

At this rate, it doesn't matter how many units the Wii sells, because the better playing games will be on other systems.

mentzer

Um what? How is a single player game that was designed from the ground up as a single player game a slap in the face to sheep? MPH was designed from the grownd up as a multiplayer on line game that is why it was multiplayer. The Main Prime games were not. The rest of your post is just fanboy ramblings.

Did you not read my post?

So because a specific entry in the Metroid Prime series is online one shouldn't expect future offerings to be online? Especially since that is the norm today in gaming?

You're the fanboy.

Sorry, but Nintendo shafted the sheep again this gen due to it's refusal to step into the 21st century.

Online is a basic component in gaming now. Pathetic that the Nintendo and the Wii fails so miserably at it.

Who said the console based MP games are run and gun shooters?

Another one who can't read :roll:

Why not address why Nintendo and online are still so far apart?

Maybe because you can't.

What makes MP3 long? scanning, backtracking, dark world, silent cutscenes... Pretty much boring fillers.

While Bioshock is all about pure gameplay baby... And the story of Bioshock isnt lame like MP3's... Space Pirates? aliens? parasites?

MP3 needs to have a Multiplayer option cause it will never get a AAA rating with its upgraded gamecube graphics.

Tamarind_Face

I agree with everything you just said. And like someone else said, the Wii desperately needs an online FPS (no I will not call it FPA)

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

See Metroid Prime Hunters.

That had mp, why not corruption?

bc1391

Then they should just balance the weapons :P

I mean every FPS since Doom has had multiplayer weapons balancing.

Im not sure if DS games can get online patches like PSP games - come to think of it they probably cant - but on the Wii why not?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

See Metroid Prime Hunters.

That had mp, why not corruption?

RahnAetas

That's the reason why it shouldn't have multiplayer. If they release a Metriod game that is multiplayer centric then I'll all for it, but I would not agree to a half-baked, tacked on, poorly implemented multiplayer.

It would be nice to have multiplayer.

It dosent need to be tacked on - it simply boosts the longetivy of the game, and makes it a helluva lot more fun, when mates swing by.

See Metroid Prime Echoes.

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

Another point to the argument:

How many online multiplayer shooter does xbox 360 have? TONS

How many does Wii have? Nada.

So which Game should have an online multiplayer? nuff said.

And even if Bioshock would have a multiplayer option, who's gonna play it when theres tons of better online multiplayer games for the 360. Its just gonna be waste of effort, time and money for the dev.

Zor

Wait, so your logic is that since the Xbox 360 already has online shooters that no more should ever be made? And how do you know that mp for bioshock would have sucked? It sounds to me like your assuming that it would just so you could insult MP3 for not being online.

Mark my words when I say this. Metroid Prime Hunter for the Wii?

That's right. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the next installment after MP3 was a multiplayer based Metroid.

[QUOTE="Zor"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

Another point to the argument:

How many online multiplayer shooter does xbox 360 have? TONS

How many does Wii have? Nada.

So which Game should have an online multiplayer? nuff said.

And even if Bioshock would have a multiplayer option, who's gonna play it when theres tons of better online multiplayer games for the 360. Its just gonna be waste of effort, time and money for the dev.

peaceful_anger

Wait, so your logic is that since the Xbox 360 already has online shooters that no more should ever be made? And how do you know that mp for bioshock would have sucked? It sounds to me like your assuming that it would just so you could insult MP3 for not being online.

The only reason I am saying that Metroid should have a multiplayer option is because hunters had it and it was good and Wii doesnt have any online shooter.

Just so yall know, I think MP3 and Bioshock are similar in the fact that they will both have an excellent single player experience since they are both single player focused games. They both will have compelling storylines that revolve around the exploration and the experiences of the main character. I am personally happy they don't have multiplayer because every game doesn't need multiplayer especially when that's not what the game is even about.

But here's what I don't understand. Why do lemmings think it is okay for Bioshock to not have multiplayer, but think MP3 should have it? I find it rather sad and hypocritical that yall automatically think MP3 is going to suck now or isn't worth getting anymore because of the lack of multiplayer when Bioshock doesn't have it either, yet yall still praise it.

So lemmings, please explain to me why you think Metroid Prime 3, an FPA, should have multiplayer, but Bioshock, an FPS with RPG elements, shouldn't?

I also can't wait to see how these games get reviewed. I wonder if they both will get docked points for a lack of multiplayer (which I don't think they should), or if MP3 gets docked pts for a lack of multiplayer butnot Bioshock, or vice versa.

peaceful_anger

When you just label this on Lemmings does this mean you consider Bioshock a 360 exclusive since we know the Wii and your PS3 isn't getting it? lol

Personally I think of it as such cause a big big group of people don't do PC gaming and probably never will, myself being one of them.

But none the less I like how you only bring up Lemmings for this when you should also bring up hermits no?