Why is Monster Hunter so big in Japan, but not so in United States?

Same reason used womens underwear dispensers are popular in Japan. It's freakin' weird over there.getyeryayasout

They are banned now I think, I didn't see one in Tokyo when I was in Japan last year.

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Solo'd a High-Ranked Diablos online in only Hunter Armor set. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean there aren't people who can.

Min-Maxing isn't needed in order to be proficiant in hunts. You may call someone who doesn't carry excess items on them leeches, but I call those players skilled. Why someone needs 10 Normal/Max potions, Food, Shock Traps, Pitfall Traps, Tranqs, Bombs, etc it beyond me when my Greatsword alone can get the job done just as fast so long as I know when to attack and avoid being hit.

In all honesty, the only items I usually bring with me are 10 normal potions (in case I really f-up for some reason), and Steaks to make sure I can evade attacks when I need to, and Hot/Cold Drinks depending on the terrain. Everything else is just fluff there to help players who need a slight edge to overcome a monster.

Redmoonxl2

I can take Alatreon with an iron sword and Leather Armor, no potions, no food, not even help! Took him on solo. Prove me wrong. :|

If you are in a group with the items taking on monsters without said items, yeah, you are a leech. Sticking by that.

Either way, the game is about kill monsters for items, using those items to create other items, and using items to aid in getting items. The game design is item management personified. Not acknowledging it is akin to saying that since I can ignore resource collecting in an RTS, its suddenly an action game.

20 Minute fight that requires 3-4 players in order to defeat him within the time limit proves it. Most monsters in MHTri don't need the full timer in order to kill them (in fact, with 4 players on it at once, fights can sometimes be as quick as 10 minutes long if people know what they're doing), Alatreon does.

Although your point is noted. Doesn't change the fact that the game can in fact be done with lower ranked armor and limited items so long as the player knows what he's doing. I already mentioned weapons can be an exception to that, as time limits in conjuntion with HP sizes of monsters becomes a hassle, but armor/support items are a completely different story so long as you know how to AVOID damage, and know when you can attack a monster.

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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Potions, traps, and etc are SUPPORT items, and are in no way needed to kill a monster (sure they help, but it isn't nessisary by any means). As far as armor is concerned (weapons I would understand based on how far into end-game you are), it's not too huge of a deal. I played through 90% of Monster Hunter Tri with only the Hunter Armor equipped, and did so perfectly fine, as opposed to some players I have personally seen grind their way to getting full Alatreon Armor/Weapons, and still manage to 3 cart in basic hunts because they didn't bring their shock traps/extra potions with them.

Knowing enemy patterns, guaging WHEN to attack and when to avoid attacks is much more important than making sure you have full Los Armor or traps to make up for a players lack of skill in the game.

Locutus_Picard

Not too familiar with all the ranks, but that sounds pretty hardcore.

From this thread it sounds like Americans like easy games and Japan like hard games? A game is only hard if you do not have the knowlegde to play it. With enough practice shouldnt a game become easy?

To the bolded parts, no, no, and hell no...Unless you are a leech. You are probably a leech, then. Grants on taking advantage of other people's work.

To everything else, no, the game is still an items game. I've got 3 boxes full of crap in my chest to prove it from when I last played, many of which are items needed to kill monsters faster. You know, min-maxing. You'd know that if you weren't leeching.

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why is starcraft so popular in korea...Its 13 years old and is still played fanatically...

Desulated

This is a question that I still have yet to find an answer for. :lol:

http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2010/02/why-is-starcraft-popular-in-korea.html

20 Minute fight that requires 3-4 players in order to defeat him within the time limit proves it. Most monsters in MHTri don't need the full timer in order to kill them (in fact, with 4 players on it at once, fights can sometimes be as quick as 10 minutes long if people know what they're doing), Alatreon does.

Although your point is noted. Doesn't change the fact that the game can in fact be done with lower ranked armor and limited items so long as the player knows what he's doing. I already mentioned weapons can be an exception to that, as time limits in conjuntion with HP sizes of monsters becomes a hassle, but armor/support items are a completely different story so long as you know how to AVOID damage, and know when you can attack a monster.

xYamatox

There is this hip thing in town called sarcasm. All the kids use it.

Also, still calling BS on your analysis on armor and items, especially since your success was probably gained from the backs of people who put in the time and effort to get those items. That and I have a hard time believing anybody will go through the game with bottom tier armor intentionally. That's just...stupid.

Anyways, the game is still mostly item management. Loopholes don't mean a thing.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

20 Minute fight that requires 3-4 players in order to defeat him within the time limit proves it. Most monsters in MHTri don't need the full timer in order to kill them (in fact, with 4 players on it at once, fights can sometimes be as quick as 10 minutes long if people know what they're doing), Alatreon does.

Although your point is noted. Doesn't change the fact that the game can in fact be done with lower ranked armor and limited items so long as the player knows what he's doing. I already mentioned weapons can be an exception to that, as time limits in conjuntion with HP sizes of monsters becomes a hassle, but armor/support items are a completely different story so long as you know how to AVOID damage, and know when you can attack a monster.

Redmoonxl2

There is this hip thing in town called sarcasm. All the kids use it.

Also, still calling BS on your analysis on armor and items, especially since your success was probably gained from the backs of people who put in the time and effort to get those items. That and I have a hard time believing anybody will go through the game with bottom tier armor intentionally. That's just...stupid.

Anyways, the game is still mostly item management. Loopholes don't mean a thing.

No, players who 3-cart in full Alatreon/Deviljho Armor with high-rank armor are the one's who are the leeches, because they got to that point through the success of others. Someone in low-tier armor who manages to help defeat a monster without a single cart back to base-camp are anything BUT leeches.

You may call someone who deliberately hunts in lower-tier armor stupid, I call it very good practice. It forces you to learn to NOT get hit when facing a Monster, and improves your overall game. I have several high-ranked armors I could easily use (sank almost 300 hours into MHTri), but choose to use Hunter Armor because it makes the game more tense to play.

I blame Reggie and Nintendo. Heil68

What do they have to do?

No, players who 3-cart in full Alatreon/Deviljho Armor with high-rank armor are the one's who are the leeches, because they got to that point through the success of others. Someone in low-tier armor who manages to help defeat a monster without a single cart back to base-camp are anything BUT leeches.xYamatox

We all like to tell ourselves lies. For one, I usually tell myself that I am a magical supersoldier who existed for 300 years who helped turning the tides of history's important battles.

You may call someone who deliberately hunts in lower-tier armor stupid, I call it very good practice. It forces you to learn to NOT get hit when facing a Monster, and improves your overall game. I have several high-ranked armors I could easily use (sank almost 300 hours into MHTri), but choose to use Hunter Armor because it makes the game more tense to play.

xYamatox

No, its pretty stupid. Hell, step up your game! You get hit once, by an add or anything like that, you'd have to pull a trigger from a revolver with one bullet spun in. Be a real man!

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No, players who 3-cart in full Alatreon/Deviljho Armor with high-rank armor are the one's who are the leeches, because they got to that point through the success of others. Someone in low-tier armor who manages to help defeat a monster without a single cart back to base-camp are anything BUT leeches.Redmoonxl2

We all like to tell ourselves lies. For one, I usually tell myself that I am a magical supersoldier who existed for 300 years who helped turning the tides of history's important battles.

You may call someone who deliberately hunts in lower-tier armor stupid, I call it very good practice. It forces you to learn to NOT get hit when facing a Monster, and improves your overall game. I have several high-ranked armors I could easily use (sank almost 300 hours into MHTri), but choose to use Hunter Armor because it makes the game more tense to play.

xYamatox

No, its pretty stupid. Hell, step up your game! You get hit once, by an add or anything like that, you'd have to pull a trigger from a revolver with one bullet spun in. Be a real man!

Well, keep telling yourself whatever you want, still doesn't change the fact that I output a decent amount of damage comparible to the rest of my team despite the armor I choose to fight in. Out of the hundreds of hunts I played online with people, there have only been a small handfull where there was someone in the group who had a problem with my way of playing. Most lobbies start with my team questioning my choice of armor, and end up leaving them pleasently satisfied with my preformance. Again, I don't use lower-tiered armor because it's all I have (quite the contrary), I use it because I perfer that sort of gameplay than trying to rely on high DEF rather can learning how to avoid the damage to begin with.

I have recieved much more praise than hate when I play online. Wether you want to believe it or not means nothing to me. Fact of the matter is this: You can min-max and micromanage your items all you want, but in the end of the day it's all pointless if you can't avoid getting hit.

High DEF/Potions becomes useless of you don't get hit.

Traps become useless if you know how to constantly attack/hit a monster on his weakpoint without the use of traps.

All that really matters is average-decent Weapon damage, and Steaks to keep your Stamina up.

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

To the bolded parts, no, no, and hell no...Unless you are a leech. You are probably a leech, then. Grants on taking advantage of other people's work.

To everything else, no, the game is still an items game. I've got 3 boxes full of crap in my chest to prove it from when I last played, many of which are items needed to kill monsters faster. You know, min-maxing. You'd know that if you weren't leeching.

Redmoonxl2

I like anecdotal evidence. Tell me more of your tales so I can believe bottom tier armor can be used throughout the game.

Well, keep telling yourself whatever you want, still doesn't change the fact that I output a decent amount of damage comparible to the rest of my team despite the armor I choose to fight in. Out of the hundreds of hunts I played online with people, there have only been a small handfull where there was someone in the group who had a problem with my way of playing. Most lobbies start with my team questioning my choice of armor, and end up leaving them pleasently satisfied with my preformance. Again, I don't use lower-tiered armor because it's all I have (quite the contrary), I use it because I perfer that sort of gameplay than trying to rely on high DEF rather can learning how to avoid the damage to begin with.

I have recieved much more praise than hate when I play online. Wether you want to believe it or not means nothing to me. Fact of the matter is this: You can min-max and micromanage your items all you want, but in the end of the day it's all pointless if you can't avoid getting hit.

High DEF/Potions becomes useless of you don't get hit.

Traps become useless if you know how to constantly attack/hit a monster on his weakpoint without the use of traps.

All that really matters is average-decent Weapon damage, and Steaks to keep your Stamina up.

xYamatox

Boy, you sure are a believer of your own hype. But hey, I can make any claim I want and make it sound totally convincing, am I right? I mean, you being a pro at it and all.

Anyways, what was the original point again? Oh right, MH is a game of items. The "skill" needed is pattern recognition and using weaknesses to your advantage. It ain't Starcraft. Trust me, you are not impressing a soul.

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[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] I used to take on White Fatalis HR9 with an Crimson Fatalis Gunner set ON MY OWN...with about 2 HP during the entire match. I had it gemmed for that one skill in which your attack goes drastically up when you are on critical health. So if I can do it...anyone can.Locutus_Picard

I like anecdotal evidence. Tell me more of your tales so I can believe bottom tier armor can be used throughout the game.

If you are not willing to prove it, don't bring it up, especially when it has nothing to do with the claim I was attacking. Thanks.

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Well, keep telling yourself whatever you want, still doesn't change the fact that I output a decent amount of damage comparible to the rest of my team despite the armor I choose to fight in. Out of the hundreds of hunts I played online with people, there have only been a small handfull where there was someone in the group who had a problem with my way of playing. Most lobbies start with my team questioning my choice of armor, and end up leaving them pleasently satisfied with my preformance. Again, I don't use lower-tiered armor because it's all I have (quite the contrary), I use it because I perfer that sort of gameplay than trying to rely on high DEF rather can learning how to avoid the damage to begin with.

I have recieved much more praise than hate when I play online. Wether you want to believe it or not means nothing to me. Fact of the matter is this: You can min-max and micromanage your items all you want, but in the end of the day it's all pointless if you can't avoid getting hit.

High DEF/Potions becomes useless of you don't get hit.

Traps become useless if you know how to constantly attack/hit a monster on his weakpoint without the use of traps.

All that really matters is average-decent Weapon damage, and Steaks to keep your Stamina up.

Redmoonxl2

Boy, you sure are a believer of your own hype. But hey, I can make any claim I want and make it sound totally convincing, am I right? I mean, you being a pro at it and all.

Anyways, what was the original point again? Oh right, MH is a game of items. The "skill" needed is pattern recognition and using weaknesses to your advantage. It ain't Starcraft. Trust me, you are not impressing a soul.

My intensions are not to impress anyone. The fact still remains that monsters are beaten through knowledge of fighting the monster, and trial/error. Items are just iceing on the cake if you want to min-max your characters.

Monster Hunter series is pretty much online-focused, what do you mean it has no online. Camera could be a problem, but mostly because there are just way too much grinding.funsohng

Too much grinding? Then why is WoW popular in the states?

Monster Hunter is like party game for 4 in Japan, some would gather for a session to play it. I guess it is equivalent to tabletop session (not as deep nor richful, but is easy to get the hang with some practice) for the players there.

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Monster Hunter is a RPG game that is 70% skill and 30% item management.

Most people in the US seem to be used to 30% skill and 70% item management in their RPG's (yes, Monster Hunter is a lot like an Action/RPG). Seems that most RPG players feel that if the game isn't winning for you after sinking X amount of time into it, it must obviously suck.

Redmoonxl2

Um, you just described Monster Hunter in that second paragraph. Either you are bringing food, drinks, and potions for your neverending battles of attrition, or you are trying to collect X items to get your new piece of armor or weapon. The extent of Monster Hunter's "skill" is learning X pattern, oh and remember to land that paintball so you are not running around for hours.

So true. Monster Hunter ispractically ALL about having the best items. That's literally all you play for is to find materials to build better items in or to fight bigger monster that give you better materials in order to again build better items... That's it. Wash, rinse, and repeat.

As generic as COD is, Monster Hunter isjust the same. Only in different areas.One appeals toWesternaudiences and the other to Eastern audiences. Both are pretty boring imo.

[QUOTE="funsohng"]Monster Hunter series is pretty much online-focused, what do you mean it has no online. Camera could be a problem, but mostly because there are just way too much grinding.heytheredarlin

Too much grinding? Then why is WoW popular in the states?

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[QUOTE="funsohng"]Monster Hunter series is pretty much online-focused, what do you mean it has no online. Camera could be a problem, but mostly because there are just way too much grinding.Ace6301

Too much grinding? Then why is WoW popular in the states?

It's missing teh gunz.Merex760

Monster Hunter is a RPG game that is 70% skill and 30% item management.

Most people in the US seem to be used to 30% skill and 70% item management in their RPG's (yes, Monster Hunter is a lot like an Action/RPG). Seems that most RPG players feel that if the game isn't winning for you after sinking X amount of time into it, it must obviously suck.

xYamatox

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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Potions, traps, and etc are SUPPORT items, and are in no way needed to kill a monster (sure they help, but it isn't nessisary by any means). As far as armor is concerned (weapons I would understand based on how far into end-game you are), it's not too huge of a deal. I played through 90% of Monster Hunter Tri with only the Hunter Armor equipped, and did so perfectly fine, as opposed to some players I have personally seen grind their way to getting full Alatreon Armor/Weapons, and still manage to 3 cart in basic hunts because they didn't bring their shock traps/extra potions with them.

Knowing enemy patterns, guaging WHEN to attack and when to avoid attacks is much more important than making sure you have full Los Armor or traps to make up for a players lack of skill in the game.

xYamatox

To the bolded parts, no, no, and hell no...Unless you are a leech. You are probably a leech, then. Grants on taking advantage of other people's work.

To everything else, no, the game is still an items game. I've got 3 boxes full of crap in my chest to prove it from when I last played, many of which are items needed to kill monsters faster. You know, min-maxing. You'd know that if you weren't leeching.

Solo'd a High-Ranked Diablos online in only Hunter Armor set. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean there aren't people who can.

Min-Maxing isn't needed in order to be proficiant in hunts. You may call someone who doesn't carry excess items on them leeches, but I call those players skilled. Why someone needs 10 Normal/Max potions, Food, Shock Traps, Pitfall Traps, Tranqs, Bombs, etc it beyond me when my Greatsword alone can get the job done just as fast so long as I know when to attack and avoid being hit.

In all honesty, the only items I usually bring with me are 10 normal potions (in case I really f-up for some reason), and Steaks to make sure I can evade attacks when I need to, and Hot/Cold Drinks depending on the terrain. Everything else is just fluff there to help players who need a slight edge to overcome a monster.

Man you sound like a really skilled Hunter......how long have you been playing? Coolyfett is playing the demo of Unite and getting destroyed like a Noob.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1732-Monster-Hunter-Tri

Thats why -- somehow the Japanese enjoy that

Way too hard. I beat Demon's Souls with little to no problem, but MH Tri stomps me out.

I blame Reggie and Nintendo. Heil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"]I blame Reggie and Nintendo. jasonharris48

Tri was supposed to be on PS3, but Capcon was having trouble coding it. Monster Hunter Freedom 3 was previewed on NGP

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[QUOTE="Heil68"]I blame Reggie and Nintendo. Coolyfett

Tri was supposed to be on PS3, but Capcon was having trouble coding it. Monster Hunter Freedom 3 was previewed on NGP

The real question is, why da **** there isn't any MH games on ps360? MHTri is on the casual platform and i don't see a casual grinding hours to get his boots upgraded. Make it ps3 exclusive (to have the best possible graphics) or ps360 and it'll sell tones (over 1million me think).silversix_

The real question is, why da **** there isn't any MH games on ps360? MHTri is on the casual platform and i don't see a casual grinding hours to get his boots upgraded. Make it ps3 exclusive (to have the best possible graphics) or ps360 and it'll sell tones (over 1million me think).silversix_

MHTri already sold 2m, so HA!

[QUOTE="silversix_"]The real question is, why da **** there isn't any MH games on ps360? MHTri is on the casual platform and i don't see a casual grinding hours to get his boots upgraded. Make it ps3 exclusive (to have the best possible graphics) or ps360 and it'll sell tones (over 1million me think).jasonharris48

[QUOTE="silversix_"]The real question is, why da **** there isn't any MH games on ps360? MHTri is on the casual platform and i don't see a casual grinding hours to get his boots upgraded. Make it ps3 exclusive (to have the best possible graphics) or ps360 and it'll sell tones (over 1million me think).93BlackHawk93

MHTri already sold 2m, so HA!

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]The real question is, why da **** there isn't any MH games on ps360? MHTri is on the casual platform and i don't see a casual grinding hours to get his boots upgraded. Make it ps3 exclusive (to have the best possible graphics) or ps360 and it'll sell tones (over 1million me think).silversix_

MHTri already sold 2m, so HA!

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[QUOTE="silversix_"]The real question is, why da **** there isn't any MH games on ps360? MHTri is on the casual platform and i don't see a casual grinding hours to get his boots upgraded. Make it ps3 exclusive (to have the best possible graphics) or ps360 and it'll sell tones (over 1million me think).silversix_

But would've been much much better on a console that can actually impress graphically those that never heard of MH.silversix_

[QUOTE="silversix_"]But would've been much much better on a console that can actually impress graphically those that never heard of MH.jasonharris48

Both have bad story, you grind in both (you can dupe in DS but that wasn't supposed to be in game) and worlds in general are pretty similar. All you do is kill, collect, upgrade.silversix_

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[QUOTE="silversix_"]But would've been much much better on a console that can actually impress graphically those that never heard of MH.silversix_

Monster hunter is popular in Japan is because friends can gather together and play it for a quick session. Graphics? Some of them would plug psp 2g to ps3 and play it at karoke room (well at least that's what I read from localized famitsu magazines several years ago).... MH2 on PS2 was flop 'cuz ps2 online...

Probably something to do with public transportation.

Patience. It takes patience.
Monster Hunter is big in my house, because some of us are patient enough, but others really aren't.

Most people in the west simply see Monster Hunter as a slightly out-dated and slimmed down MMO. Poor controls doesn't help either (PSP).

You could argue that CoD is similar but at least it takes advantage of being in this generation.

You don't run around and shoot things.