[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"][QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]
Is that you? lol
GiantAssPanda
yes :P
NEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRDD!!!!This topic is locked from further discussion.
[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"][QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]
Is that you? lol
GiantAssPanda
yes :P
NEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRDD!!!!If you bought one back then you still made the $500-600 investment ;)wis3boiAnd how much do you think a PC with a 9-core 3.2 GHz CPU and GeForce 7900 GPU would have cost in 2006? Oh wait, there weren't even any quad-core CPUs on the PC market back, let alone a 9-core CPU...
And how much do you think a PC with a 9-core 3.2 GHz CPU and GeForce 7900 GPU would have cost in 2006? Oh wait, there weren't even any quad-core CPUs on the PC market back, let alone a 9-core CPU...[QUOTE="wis3boi"]If you bought one back then you still made the $500-600 investment ;)Jag85
Cell may have 9 cores, but its overcomplicated and still slower than top-grade PC CPU's available at release.
And how much do you think a PC with a 9-core 3.2 GHz CPU and GeForce 7900 GPU would have cost in 2006? Oh wait, there weren't even any quad-core CPUs on the PC market back, let alone a 9-core CPU...
Jag85
I do believe that the Cell is not a 9-core CPU. Not if we're using the term "core" as in fully-fledged ones.
And how much do you think a PC with a 9-core 3.2 GHz CPU and GeForce 7900 GPU would have cost in 2006? Oh wait, there weren't even any quad-core CPUs on the PC market back, let alone a 9-core CPU... Ya right, the PS3 core processor "PPE" is slower then a Pentium 4 from 2003, then Its gpu RSX is not a 7900, its a gimped Geforce 7800 with only 256mb of memory at 25gb/s with only 8 ROP's. While a normal 7800GTX has 512mb of memory at 54 GB/s and has 16 ROP's and even in 2009 with RE 5 a 7800GTX outclassed both HD consoles. Also the 360's tri core is slower then a Athlon X2 from 2005. And just to let you know that the PS3 cost Sony $700 to make a $500 model back in 2006, Sony didnt make a dime on PS3 until late 2009. the PS3 was not ahead of the curve , the 360 was in 2005 with its gpu, but by the same month as the PS3 released the Geforce 8800GTX came out which trumps both consoles and still today outclasses both.[QUOTE="wis3boi"]If you bought one back then you still made the $500-600 investment ;)Jag85
Going with basedgod hereIt has nothing to do with consoles.
Digital Distribution
Independents
Transparency
Scalability of games at different price points
Market that touches on a wide range of nations/continents
Low investments required for Middle Market developers
GPU market for 1080p graphics settling to a very accessible price point
Bypassing of traditional product driven business models
Bypassing of traditional projects and production chains
Extended longevity for a game on a consumer and sales standpoint
Social media integration and involvement in a metacommunity (YouTube)
illmatic87
You already seemed to have answered your question with the first question you posted.
I mean, usually at the end of a console cycle devs start finding it easier to work on PC, where at the beginning they tend to neglect them for the flashy new consoles that just came out with top of the line graphics and features and hype and such.
[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]This isn't 2006.......DerpAmazonTreeBoaIf you bought one back then you still made the $500-600 investment ;) But if you bought one back then, it wouldn't be old tech for consoles now would it. ;)
But in the real world, ya know, the one that everyone but ignorant fanboys live in, it is old as sh*t tech.
looks for uncharted on pc
meh don't care
ebrezzy1
trolololololol
Really? Your hung up on a generic, linear, cover based shooter who's strong points aren't even gameplay related (voice acting, story, graphics that are "good for consoles"), maybe you SHOULD stick to you're Noobstation if you think that is the "end all, be all" of gaming. :roll:
But if you bought one back then, it wouldn't be old tech for consoles now would it. ;)[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] If you bought one back then you still made the $500-600 investment ;)Stalkerfieldsis
But in the real world, ya know, the one that everyone but ignorant fanboys live in, it is old as sh*t tech.
Now yes, when they released it wasnt. Sure it was for PCs, but we aren't talking about PC now are me.[QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]
looks for uncharted on pc
meh don't care
Stalkerfieldsis
trolololololol
Really? Your hung up on a generic, linear, cover based shooter who's strong points aren't even gameplay related (voice acting, story, graphics that are "good for consoles"), maybe you SHOULD stick to you're Noobstation if you think that is the "end all, be all" of gaming. :roll:
Actually Uncharted is a blast to play. But please, continue with your stupid ignorant comments.[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"][QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]
looks for uncharted on pc
meh don't care
AmazonTreeBoa
trolololololol
Really? Your hung up on a generic, linear, cover based shooter who's strong points aren't even gameplay related (voice acting, story, graphics that are "good for consoles"), maybe you SHOULD stick to you're Noobstation if you think that is the "end all, be all" of gaming. :roll:
Actually Uncharted is a blast to play. But please, continue with your stupid ignorant comments.I didn't say it wasn't fun idiot, I enjoyed all three, but they are still just cover-based shooters, hardly the kind of standard with which you should judge all other platforms. Ever played with 16 friends (yes, actual friends I talk to, OMG PC is MORE social than consoles? Whoda thunk?) on ARMA 2, assaulting a city against 150 AI troops? Ever played 64 player BF3 with epic graphics and mouse aiming? Ever got a free mod for a game thats more fun than most full retail games? Ever played with thousands of players in Planetside, a 9 year old game that consoles still can't match in terms of scale? Ever played any kind of halfway decent RTS's? those are all things EXCLUSIVE to PC, PLUS we have third person shooters, and you're hung up on PS3 because it has a regular ol' linear thirdperson shooter, something every modern platform has?
[QUOTE="wewantdoom4now"]
It's not where's all these great pc exclusives?
lundy86_4
Here ya go!
Inb4 "These games are all crap. Games years ago didn't need 3D cards... Software rendering... Stupid ladder climbing animations... No jumping... etc."
bunch of **** games compared to 90s pc exclusives.
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
[QUOTE="wewantdoom4now"]
It's not where's all these great pc exclusives?
wewantdoom4now
Here ya go!
Inb4 "These games are all crap. Games years ago didn't need 3D cards... Software rendering... Stupid ladder climbing animations... No jumping... etc."
bunch of **** games compared to 90s pc exclusives.
"Back in my day..."
Edit:plus, those games ain't dead, you can still get most of them easy. Example:http://www.gog.com/
[QUOTE="wewantdoom4now"]
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
Here ya go!
Inb4 "These games are all crap. Games years ago didn't need 3D cards... Software rendering... Stupid ladder climbing animations... No jumping... etc."
Stalkerfieldsis
bunch of **** games compared to 90s pc exclusives.
"Back in my day..."
shadow warrior alone owns all of those games
Actually Uncharted is a blast to play. But please, continue with your stupid ignorant comments.[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]
trolololololol
Really? Your hung up on a generic, linear, cover based shooter who's strong points aren't even gameplay related (voice acting, story, graphics that are "good for consoles"), maybe you SHOULD stick to you're Noobstation if you think that is the "end all, be all" of gaming. :roll:
Stalkerfieldsis
I didn't say it wasn't fun idiot, I enjoyed all three, but they are still just cover-based shooters, hardly the kind of standard with which you should judge all other platforms. Ever played with 16 friends (yes, actual friends I talk to, OMG PC is MORE social than consoles? Whoda thunk?) on ARMA 2, assaulting a city against 150 AI troops? Ever played 64 player BF3 with epic graphics and mouse aiming? Ever got a free mod for a game thats more fun than most full retail games? Ever played with thousands of players in Planetside, a 9 year old game that consoles still can't match in terms of scale? Ever played any kind of halfway decent RTS's? those are all things EXCLUSIVE to PC, PLUS we have third person shooters, and you're hung up on PS3 because it has a regular ol' linear thirdperson shooter, something every modern platform has?
Like I said, please continue with your stupid ass comments.And you listen just like a good little house b!tch. Please continue on.EDIT: Also let me add seeing you are too stupid to grasp it on your own....You notice that pc in my sig? Yeah it's Guild Wars 2, a PC exclusive. I am a PC gamer you dumbass.
[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]
[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Actually Uncharted is a blast to play. But please, continue with your stupid ignorant comments.AmazonTreeBoa
I didn't say it wasn't fun idiot, I enjoyed all three, but they are still just cover-based shooters, hardly the kind of standard with which you should judge all other platforms. Ever played with 16 friends (yes, actual friends I talk to, OMG PC is MORE social than consoles? Whoda thunk?) on ARMA 2, assaulting a city against 150 AI troops? Ever played 64 player BF3 with epic graphics and mouse aiming? Ever got a free mod for a game thats more fun than most full retail games? Ever played with thousands of players in Planetside, a 9 year old game that consoles still can't match in terms of scale? Ever played any kind of halfway decent RTS's? those are all things EXCLUSIVE to PC, PLUS we have third person shooters, and you're hung up on PS3 because it has a regular ol' linear thirdperson shooter, something every modern platform has?
Like I said, please continue with your stupid ass comments.And you listen just like a good little house b!tch. Please continue on.EDIT: Also let me add seeing you are too stupid to grasp it on your own....You notice that pc in my sig? Yeah it's Guild Wars 2, a PC exclusive. I am a PC gamer you dumbass.
I'm not blind dumbass, that doesn't excuse the retarded "Uncharted invalidates PC against PS3" comments. You people on these forums think just because you own/owned a gaming PC and played it, means you can make stupid, false comments against PC and get off "scott-free".
Traditionally the last 2 years of every console gen is "PC time."
Things are changing because we're in a post-PC world.
Desktop computing is becoming obsolete.
That's not to say consoles have much of a future either.
The world is shifting toward casuals and smaller devices.
I disagree; I think the technology of smaller devices and the introduction of casual games has introduced non gamers to games. Eventaully these same users will most likely want something more hrdcore that casual games don't offer. Look at the Wii these days, the fad has gone out andpeople are demanding better games. How many times a day can you play Wii fit?[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
[QUOTE="wewantdoom4now"]
It's not where's all these great pc exclusives?
wewantdoom4now
Here ya go!
Inb4 "These games are all crap. Games years ago didn't need 3D cards... Software rendering... Stupid ladder climbing animations... No jumping... etc."
bunch of **** games compared to 90s pc exclusives.
Would you look at that. You're becoming too predictable heeeeweeee. You're just jelly 'cause i've been gaming longer than you.
theres end of gen fatigue for a start, theres the rise of the likes of casual gaming that cant be ignored aswell on top of that Steam and various other DD's are coming into their own.
And how much do you think a PC with a 9-core 3.2 GHz CPU and GeForce 7900 GPU would have cost in 2006? Oh wait, there weren't even any quad-core CPUs on the PC market back, let alone a 9-core CPU... Ya right, the PS3 core processor "PPE" is slower then a Pentium 4 from 2003, then Its gpu RSX is not a 7900, its a gimped Geforce 7800 with only 256mb of memory at 25gb/s with only 8 ROP's. While a normal 7800GTX has 512mb of memory at 54 GB/s and has 16 ROP's and even in 2009 with RE 5 a 7800GTX outclassed both HD consoles. Also the 360's tri core is slower then a Athlon X2 from 2005. And just to let you know that the PS3 cost Sony $700 to make a $500 model back in 2006, Sony didnt make a dime on PS3 until late 2009. the PS3 was not ahead of the curve , the 360 was in 2005 with its gpu, but by the same month as the PS3 released the Geforce 8800GTX came out which trumps both consoles and still today outclasses both. I had a Pentium 4 a few years ago and its performance didn't come anywhere near even a fraction of the PS3's Cell. Besides, you and the two posters above you all dodged my actual question: How much would a PC that could rival the PS3's specs cost back in 2006? I can guarantee you it would have cost at least five times what the PS3 cost back then. Even a PC that could rival the Xbox 360 would have cost several times more than the PS3. Has everyone forgotten how much of a fortune you'd need to spend to get a PC that could even run Crysis back in 2007? I rest my case.[QUOTE="Jag85"]
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]If you bought one back then you still made the $500-600 investment ;)04dcarraher
A few reason.
PC gaming is getting cheaper and cheaper. I think you can have a rig for around 600.
The hardcore market is looking for something new, and pc hits it out of the park.
PC has something for everyone, it has games for your mom and sister to the most hardcore gamer.
And how much do you think a PC with a 9-core 3.2 GHz CPU and GeForce 7900 GPU would have cost in 2006? Oh wait, there weren't even any quad-core CPUs on the PC market back, let alone a 9-core CPU...[QUOTE="wis3boi"]If you bought one back then you still made the $500-600 investment ;)Jag85
Do you realise that a 2006 PC (with Core 2 Duo & 8800GTX that is older than your little ps3) play games with better graphics and performance than consoles?
btw the qx6700 that was a quad-core CPU, came out in 2006.
Do you realise that a 2006 PC (with Core 2 Duo & 8800GTX that is older than your little ps3) play games with better graphics and performance than consoles?
MK-Professor
False.
[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]
Do you realise that a 2006 PC (with Core 2 Duo & 8800GTX that is older than your little ps3) play games with better graphics and performance than consoles?
ZombieKiller7
False.
LOL
Even a ATI X1950 (from 2005) still can play games like Crysis 2 with equal settings to consoles link, let alone the 8800GTX that it is two times faster.
Has everyone forgotten how much of a fortune you'd need to spend to get a PC that could even run Crysis back in 2007? I rest my case.Jag85
Considering a $46 dualcore 2.6ghz Celeron E3400 with a cheap 8600 GT can run Crysis with playable framerates plus Med-High detail @ 1024x768, the costs wouldn't be that much.
The 8600GT cost around $80 at the time of Crysis' release. There were also a lot more powerful CPUs than my Celeron that's been out long before Crysis.
Edit:
I had an 8600 GT in the Celery PC of my sig before I replaced it with the 5770. Crysis was quite playable with framerates hovering around 30 fps.
One thing a lot of people seem to be overlooking is that the recent growth of PC gaming is not coming from any traditional markets like America, Europe, or Japan, but from emerging Asian markets such as Korea, India, and especially China, which alone accounts for one-third of the entire worldwide PC gaming market.
Ya right, the PS3 core processor "PPE" is slower then a Pentium 4 from 2003, then Its gpu RSX is not a 7900, its a gimped Geforce 7800 with only 256mb of memory at 25gb/s with only 8 ROP's. While a normal 7800GTX has 512mb of memory at 54 GB/s and has 16 ROP's and even in 2009 with RE 5 a 7800GTX outclassed both HD consoles. Also the 360's tri core is slower then a Athlon X2 from 2005. And just to let you know that the PS3 cost Sony $700 to make a $500 model back in 2006, Sony didnt make a dime on PS3 until late 2009. the PS3 was not ahead of the curve , the 360 was in 2005 with its gpu, but by the same month as the PS3 released the Geforce 8800GTX came out which trumps both consoles and still today outclasses both. I had a Pentium 4 a few years ago and its performance didn't come anywhere near even a fraction of the PS3's Cell. Besides, you and the two posters above you all dodged my actual question: How much would a PC that could rival the PS3's specs cost back in 2006? I can guarantee you it would have cost at least five times what the PS3 cost back then. Even a PC that could rival the Xbox 360 would have cost several times more than the PS3. Has everyone forgotten how much of a fortune you'd need to spend to get a PC that could even run Crysis back in 2007? I rest my case. You have no clue what you are talking about. Go learn about PC hardware before trying to make such statements.[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]
[QUOTE="Jag85"] And how much do you think a PC with a 9-core 3.2 GHz CPU and GeForce 7900 GPU would have cost in 2006? Oh wait, there weren't even any quad-core CPUs on the PC market back, let alone a 9-core CPU...
Jag85
You have no clue what you are talking about. Go learn about PC hardware before trying to make such statements.[QUOTE="Jag85"] I had a Pentium 4 a few years ago and its performance didn't come anywhere near even a fraction of the PS3's Cell. Besides, you and the two posters above you all dodged my actual question: How much would a PC that could rival the PS3's specs cost back in 2006? I can guarantee you it would have cost at least five times what the PS3 cost back then. Even a PC that could rival the Xbox 360 would have cost several times more than the PS3. Has everyone forgotten how much of a fortune you'd need to spend to get a PC that could even run Crysis back in 2007? I rest my case.
RyviusARC
take a look here to see how big troll Jag85is.
http://uk.gamespot.com/forums/topic/27597240/ps4-more-powerfull-than-your-pc?page=3
The PS3's Cell processor already features nine 128-bit cores running at 3.2 GHz each. Even five years after its release, the Cell still hasn't been surpassed by any PC CPU processors currently on the market.
Jag85
What planet are you living on where pc gaming is making a resurgence? I don't know anybody in real life that plays pc games.Miketheman83What? Did u hear that everyone, he doesn't know anyone playing games on a pc. That's it, end of duscussion... Close the thread.
- Steam (sales etc)
- The vast technological gap now between PC and consoles, comparing them graphically now is a complete joke, the PC is a world ahead.
- PC Gaming is now more affordable
- PC modding scene has grown exponentially, there is a lot of value in it these days and value for many AAA titles.
- Wider range of games/formats etc. Everyone has a PC for the internet these days.
The last couple of years PC gaming has begun to dominate economically. It's by a long way the largest single platform gaming market now. I'm not sure that in the long run there is much of a future in consoles the way they are. I expect eventually consoles will simply become streaming boxes ala "onlive" simply streaming games from very powerful PC's for cheap.
Also no one bother paying attention to Zombiekiller, he actually makes LosingENDS look intelligent sometimes. He gets things wrong consistently, talks utter gibberish and can never face up to it once he is corrected. Not a troll either, just simply a little slow I think.
Ya right, the PS3 core processor "PPE" is slower then a Pentium 4 from 2003, then Its gpu RSX is not a 7900, its a gimped Geforce 7800 with only 256mb of memory at 25gb/s with only 8 ROP's. While a normal 7800GTX has 512mb of memory at 54 GB/s and has 16 ROP's and even in 2009 with RE 5 a 7800GTX outclassed both HD consoles. Also the 360's tri core is slower then a Athlon X2 from 2005. And just to let you know that the PS3 cost Sony $700 to make a $500 model back in 2006, Sony didnt make a dime on PS3 until late 2009. the PS3 was not ahead of the curve , the 360 was in 2005 with its gpu, but by the same month as the PS3 released the Geforce 8800GTX came out which trumps both consoles and still today outclasses both. I had a Pentium 4 a few years ago and its performance didn't come anywhere near even a fraction of the PS3's Cell. Besides, you and the two posters above you all dodged my actual question: How much would a PC that could rival the PS3's specs cost back in 2006? I can guarantee you it would have cost at least five times what the PS3 cost back then. Even a PC that could rival the Xbox 360 would have cost several times more than the PS3. Has everyone forgotten how much of a fortune you'd need to spend to get a PC that could even run Crysis back in 2007? I rest my case.[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]
[QUOTE="Jag85"] And how much do you think a PC with a 9-core 3.2 GHz CPU and GeForce 7900 GPU would have cost in 2006? Oh wait, there weren't even any quad-core CPUs on the PC market back, let alone a 9-core CPU...
Jag85
How exactly are you comparing the P4's performance with the PowerPC performance, as far as I know there is no way to possibly compare them as they are two different platforms with many other parts involved doing completely different things.
The P4 is actually superior in a lot of ways to the cores in the PowerPC tri-core Cpu, even the P3 is superior in some ways. PowerPC is actually based on old architecture. I'll explain;
Intel micro-architecture is vastly superior to the PowerPC micro-architecture.The PowerPC Xbox 360 CPU uses "in-order" execution instead of the out-of-order execution used in the P3 chip in the original xbox. This was to reduce the CPU die size, power requirements and cost largely. In-order execution is not good. Hyperthreading (which is completely useless and pointless in gaming) was instigated purely to remedy the issue of in-order execution CPUs stalling when they are waiting for data. Hyperthreading is used on Intel Atom chips for precisely the same reason. The Tri-core PowerPC in the xbox360 cores are also small and lack transistors, plus only 1mb L2 cache is spread across 3 CPUs.
On top of that the general PowerPC architecture isn't great universally, that's why Apple dropped it and went with Intel eventually.
The Xbox PowerPC Tri-core is cheaply made and performs badly in relation to its proclaimed clock speed etc (A hyperthetical 3-core P4 would outperform it by a long long way)
In short the tri-core PowerPC cpu in both the PS3 and Xbox doesn't even come close to an intel quadcore CPU of any clock speed. If you were being extremely generous you could argue that it might under certain circumstances be comparable to a bottom of the range intel dual core CPU. Even then I seriously doubt it would really.
[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]
[QUOTE="Jag85"] You have no clue what you are talking about. Go learn about PC hardware before trying to make such statements.MK-Professor
take a look here to see how big troll Jag85is.
http://uk.gamespot.com/forums/topic/27597240/ps4-more-powerfull-than-your-pc?page=3
The PS3's Cell processor already features nine 128-bit cores running at 3.2 GHz each. Even five years after its release, the Cell still hasn't been surpassed by any PC CPU processors currently on the market.
Jag85
That quote at the bottom from jag85 - Wow, just wow...
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