Why is Pokemon always bashed as being a rehash by cows and lemmangs?

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]Digimon is better first of all.charizard1605

This.

I read that first sentence and instantly skipped to the next reply

No one ever bashes Pokemon, it's kind of untouchable :|charizard1605

Are you kidding? Any post about rehashes contains it by law.

I love Pokemon, and would be pissed if they messed with the formula.

Well they are rehashes, but they are finely made RPGs. You know what your getting and the only reason people buy them is to start new and get the satisfaction of leveling up again. I think its addicting, they're rehashes but they're fun as hell. Very much the CoD of handhelds and RPGs but I actually like it.

Hmm honestly they are mostly rehashes. The core gameplay barely changes with each generation. Either way I just want a new pokemon 3d pokemon game. If it has to play like the others fine, but it would be awesome if it was very different with better balancing.

No one ever bashes Pokemon, it's kind of untouchable :|charizard1605

They haven't improved the games at all since Pokemon red, it still has same major flaws

They really should just reboot the series and fix all the annoying gameplay mechanics

Zurrur

What exactly are these flaws?

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]No one ever bashes Pokemon, it's kind of untouchable :|Mozelleple112

And we still do!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]No one ever bashes Pokemon, it's kind of untouchable :|Mozelleple112

I loathed pokemon after gold silver and I hated how pokemon fans ripped on Digimon saying it was a Pokemon knock off (not true). Pokemon the show was terrible, I just liked the games (before ruby/saphire).

Pokemon should not get a free pass because of nostalgia, it is an outdated franchise.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]No one ever bashes Pokemon, it's kind of untouchable :|Banjo_Kongfooie

I loathed pokemon after gold silver and I hated how pokemon fans ripped on Digimon saying it was a Pokemon knock off (not true). Pokemon the show was terrible, I just liked the games (before ruby/saphire).

Pokemon should not get a free pass because of nostalgia, it is an outdated franchise.

Odd how something so outdated sells like hot cakes.

The only complaint I would have about pokemon is that some of the new ones look f***ing ugly. It's a good series overall.

Why is Pokemon always bashed as being a rehash?

Super_MooRio

Because the games are just that.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Because we all loved pokemon when we were kids 8-12 years ago. el3m2tigre

I loathed pokemon after gold silver and I hated how pokemon fans ripped on Digimon saying it was a Pokemon knock off (not true). Pokemon the show was terrible, I just liked the games (before ruby/saphire).

Pokemon should not get a free pass because of nostalgia, it is an outdated franchise.

Odd how something so outdated sells like hot cakes.

Call of duty sells... Justin Beiber sells...

Why use sales as an assessment of quality. Eternal Darkness is one of the best Nintendo games and that did not sell very well from what I hear (well compared to other big N Ips).

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]No one ever bashes Pokemon, it's kind of untouchable :|Mozelleple112

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[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

I loathed pokemon after gold silver and I hated how pokemon fans ripped on Digimon saying it was a Pokemon knock off (not true). Pokemon the show was terrible, I just liked the games (before ruby/saphire).

Pokemon should not get a free pass because of nostalgia, it is an outdated franchise.

Banjo_Kongfooie

Odd how something so outdated sells like hot cakes.

Call of duty sells... Justin Beiber sells...

Why use sales as an assessment of quality. Eternal Darkness is one of the best Nintendo games and that did not sell very well from what I hear (well compared to other big N Ips).

Wha? Who's doing that?

Lets see... because Nintendo releases the same game twice almost every time they release a Pokemon game? Example: Red and Blue, Gold and Silver, Sapphire and Ruby, Heartgold and Soulsilver, Black and White (yeah, I missed others I know).

The biggest innovation that the Pokemon series undertook from Red/Blue(1998) to White/Black(2011) was the breeding/genetics (granted that drasticly changed the way your Pokemon could train and how you could train them, what they could learn, how they grow)

BUT, when the games look, play, sound, feel so amazing familar being called either a rehash or yet another Pokemon title comes with the territory.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]No one ever bashes Pokemon, it's kind of untouchable :|charizard1605

Nope we all do not... It has transformed from a differentiate RPG to a terribley stagnant franchise.

The anime was never any good and neither was anything else about pokemon besides the game. I mean Digimon you guys bash that but I loved its show and it was way better than pokemon. Digimon's movie was rated higher than pokemon's as well.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Because we all loved pokemon when we were kids 8-12 years ago. Banjo_Kongfooie

Nope we all do not... It has transformed from a differentiate RPG to a terribley stagnant franchise.

The anime was never any good and neither was anything else about pokemon besides the game. I mean Digimon you guys bash that but I loved its show and it was way better than pokemon. Digimon's movie was rated higher than pokemon's as well.

I feel like Black and White were actually the best Pokemon games in a long time. Pokemon is far from stale.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Because we all loved pokemon when we were kids 8-12 years ago. Banjo_Kongfooie

Nope we all do not... It has transformed from a differentiate RPG to a terribley stagnant franchise.

The anime was never any good and neither was anything else about pokemon besides the game. I mean Digimon you guys bash that but I loved its show and it was way better than pokemon. Digimon's movie was rated higher than pokemon's as well.

Well, with that said, i guess it isn't a rehash then. Try not to contradict yourself.

We're talking about the game here. I think everyone knows that the anime is for children.

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] And we still do.charizard1605

Nope we all do not... It has transformed from a differentiate RPG to a terribley stagnant franchise.

The anime was never any good and neither was anything else about pokemon besides the game. I mean Digimon you guys bash that but I loved its show and it was way better than pokemon. Digimon's movie was rated higher than pokemon's as well.

I am not saying it is not popular... You are saying that in response to "we all loved pokemon when we were kids", "And we still do." and many people do not still like Pokemon.

I am not saying pokemon is not a popular franchise just a stagnant stale one... Think Call of Duty.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

Nope we all do not... It has transformed from a differentiate RPG to a terribley stagnant franchise.

The anime was never any good and neither was anything else about pokemon besides the game. I mean Digimon you guys bash that but I loved its show and it was way better than pokemon. Digimon's movie was rated higher than pokemon's as well.

Banjo_Kongfooie

I am not saying it is not popular... You are saying that in response to "we all loved pokemon when we were kids", "And we still do." and many people do not still like Pokemon.

I am not saying pokemon is not a popular franchise just a stagnant stale one... Think Call of Duty.

It's a shame you have no way of proving that...

I love my pokemenz...but gotta be honest, I don't like how they release 2 versions, then wait a year and release the 'unified' edition with very little new features.

Also, animated battles should have been done in Platinum. Instead, 3 pokemon game series since then, and battles are still between 2d sprites, same with the battle effects.

And don't get me started on the voices of each pokemon, which are the same quality for older ones, literally copy-pasted from red/blue.

Anyway, back to breeding a decent sp.atk sweeper :P

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] More people love Pokemon now than they did then. I fail to see what your point is. Just because you don't like Pokemon does not mean anything about the popularity of the franchise.el3m2tigre

I am not saying it is not popular... You are saying that in response to "we all loved pokemon when we were kids", "And we still do." and many people do not still like Pokemon.

I am not saying pokemon is not a popular franchise just a stagnant stale one... Think Call of Duty.

It's a shame you have no way of proving that...

Objectively know but I am sure if there was a way to track people who bought pokemon blue or red there would be many say a couple thousand who state displeasure with the stagnant nature of the franchise.

Lets face it, Pokemon is Dynasty warriors but has rabid support from being a Nintendo Ip.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Not many do, actually. Pokemon is a 'safe' franchise, and it's the premier handheld franchise. Most people who bash Pokemon for being stale also admit to not having played it since Gold/Silver, or are just to afraid of the stigma of playing something perceived as 'kiddy.'JohnF111

I've seen lots of people bash pokemon around here. Its hardly safe, it gets thrown in the "not evolving" category all the time by haters. Obviously anyone who plays them knows that's false but it doesn't change that it faces ignorance all the time.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

I am not saying it is not popular... You are saying that in response to "we all loved pokemon when we were kids", "And we still do." and many people do not still like Pokemon.

I am not saying pokemon is not a popular franchise just a stagnant stale one... Think Call of Duty.

Banjo_Kongfooie

It's a shame you have no way of proving that...

Objectively know but I am sure if there was a way to track people who bought pokemon blue or red there would be many say a couple thousand who state displeasure with the stagnant nature of the franchise.

Lets face it, Pokemon is Dynasty warriors but has rabid support from being a Nintendo Ip.

Because they are mad they don't get RPG's as awesome as Pokemon.

Because they are mad they don't get RPG's as awesome as Pokemon.

turtlethetaffer

Skyrim destroys pokemon, enjoy catching them all again next release... I mean 3 releases.

because Pokemon is for manchildren and children

Nope we all do not... It has transformed from a differentiate RPG to a terribley stagnant franchise.

The anime was never any good and neither was anything else about pokemon besides the game. I mean Digimon you guys bash that but I loved its show and it was way better than pokemon. Digimon's movie was rated higher than pokemon's as well.

Banjo_Kongfooie

And while the core gameplay stays the same, there's always huge changes in the combat system one way or another in every gen.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Because they are mad they don't get RPG's as awesome as Pokemon.

Banjo_Kongfooie

Skyrim destroys pokemon, enjoy catching them all again next release... I mean 3 releases.

I will, thanks!

because Pokemon is for manchildren and children

HaloinventedFPS

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

because Pokemon is for manchildren and children

rasengan2552

Not to mention calculating EV's and IV. Searching for Natures which benefits a pokemon the most.

By the end of Diamond/Pearl, I just grew tired of it. Feels like every game is the same to be honest.

I lovePokemon Red to death though.

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

because Pokemon is for manchildren and children

el3m2tigre

Not to mention calculating EV's and IV. Searching for Natures which benefits a pokemon the most.

And none of that really ****ing matters unless you competitive battle.

The main game is a breeze.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] Im usually the first person to call sheep manchildren ... but the pokemon games are actually quite deep, there is a game within the game. A child does not understand element types and all that other stuff. Its a pretty deep game series.Banjo_Kongfooie

Not to mention calculating EV's and IV. Searching for Natures which benefits a pokemon the most.

And none of that really ****ing matters unless you competitive battle.

The main game is a breeze.

If you don't consider Pokemon a rehash, you can't call any CoD game one. This should be an official rule of SW.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]No one ever bashes Pokemon, it's kind of untouchable :|789shadow

Are you kidding? Any post about rehashes contains it by law.

If you don't consider Pokemon a rehash, you can't call any CoD game one. This should be an official rule of SW.

Basinboy

But then they can not have their double standards.

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If you don't consider Pokemon a rehash, you can't call any CoD game one. This should be an official rule of SW.

Banjo_Kongfooie

But then they can not have their double standards.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] Im usually the first person to call sheep manchildren ... but the pokemon games are actually quite deep, there is a game within the game. A child does not understand element types and all that other stuff. Its a pretty deep game series.Banjo_Kongfooie

Not to mention calculating EV's and IV. Searching for Natures which benefits a pokemon the most.

And none of that really ****ing matters unless you competitive battle.

The main game is a breeze.

Well, in a sense it does. If your pokemon has crappy IV's and a nature which doesn't benefit, the NPC will just slaughter you.l

Well, in a sense it does. If your pokemon has crappy IV's and a nature which doesn't benefit, the NPC will just slaughter you.l

el3m2tigre

do people even play the SP nowadays ? I mean it was cool the first 4 times (Red/Blue, Yellow, G/S, R/S) but after that it just got tedious. I think everyone just uses Action Replay cheats to input EV stats then goes straight online.el3m2tigre

or skip buying the games altogether and head for Pokemon Online servers

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Well, in a sense it does. If your pokemon has crappy IV's and a nature which doesn't benefit, the NPC will just slaughter you.l

cain006

true. I beat White with a JIGGLYPUFF (not wigglytuff)

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Well, in a sense it does. If your pokemon has crappy IV's and a nature which doesn't benefit, the NPC will just slaughter you.l

cain006

I disagree. Try beating it using pokemon with trashy base stats. You can get KO'd with a move that's not very effective.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]No one ever bashes Pokemon, it's kind of untouchable :|nintendoboy16

Are you kidding? Any post about rehashes contains it by law.

Most other Nintendo IPs don't deserve it. Pokemon does.meetroid8

Agreed, it is just terrible what Gamefreak gets away with... There are ways to incourage diversity in trading without two of the same version (I am actually not upset really at the two version)... They release the 3rd version though...

Added to the face that they remaked two pokemon titles already and the games are just very similar. It annoys me Skyward sword game the same score as the latest pokemon games.