Why is Sony in panic mode?

^ ^ Pretty much this.

Sony is destroying MS and Nintendo in sales currently and they will continue to do so for a long time. There's no panic mode just overreacting fanboys from both sides. My money is on Sony dominating this holiday and probably the next one too.

@Juub1990:

"Pretty much" isn't really the same as confirmed and rumors are still just rumors. I find it hard to believe that Microsoft would stupidly overprice a console upgrade. That's a terrible idea. Especially knowing full well that 3rd party developers aren't going to go the extra mile to make a game look better on the other console even the other is stronger.

I doubt framerate increase will happen like that, they were talking about antialiasing and supersampling, not to mention that cpu probably won't be able to hold 60 fps as well.

It's coming out in October. They don't have to overprice it either. It could sell at 449$-499$ or even 399$ if Microsoft is willing to take a hit.

Also, there were Neo rumors before Scorpio was announced. The Neo is releasing in November. No way they could have rushed that in June. Why would sony hold of on releasing Pro when the tech is already available?

I always forget that terrible CPU. Weren't there rumors a while back saying Neo had a 33%-50% speed bump compared to what's inside the PS4?

I don't care about 4K if my game is choppy as hell. I always prioritize 60fps over anything on PC. It actually affects gameplay.

@Juub1990:

If they do overpower Scorpio then they'll have to be willing to take the hit. Even with extra strength, no one in the right mind is gonna fork over 600 bucks when a 399 dollar product is just around the corner! Everything XBone has going for is already on pc!! If you want see Halo 5 in better graphics like that then you might as well just get the pc version! 600 could already get you a stronger pc. Cheaper is the best idea!

The Scorpio doesn't have to be 599$. That was the price of the PS3 on release and it was extremely powerful even compared to PC's.

The Scorpio will be a upper mid-range PC in terms of capabilities. Well by the time it releases it might be mid-range. The Pro a mid-range PC but in a year probably a lower mid-range. Around 100$ will separate them. Not 200$.

Well, they might as well wait for the pro then.

I don't think they are in panic mode...yet, but i do think their reveals were terrible...they didn't gave me a single reason to get a PS4 Pro...also the PS4 Slim with no added feature and very close to the Pro release??? what are they thinking??? is the most baffling thing this gen....that console has no purpose whatsoever...

Terrible choices by Sony...but i still think the PS4 is the best console this gen, hopefully they will not throw that away with bad choices.

It depends on consumer's budget and price gap between Pro and Slim.

Huh? The PS4 is actually doing it sooner than Xbox. Xbox released their Slim in August, PS4 releases their Slim this month. In November, Sony releases their PS4 Pro, and next holiday MS releases their Xbox One Scorpio. I imagine the PS4 and Xbox One will both go the same distance this gen.

The PS4 is being upgraded. It's still a PS4 that plays PS4 games running the same PS4 OS. We don't know what Scorpio is, but it may not be an upgraded Xbox One, but an all new Xbox instead. One that is a generational leap in performance over the Xbox One.

well if they wouldn't increase the graphical settings 60 fps would of course be viable especially with gpugpu tools but if they increase antialiasing and graphical fidelity 60 fps is out of the question.

I doubt devs will go out of their way with gpgpu tools to achieve 60 fps as well, you've seen how long it took to patch certain games this gen.

You hurt my feeling and put my agenda out for everyone to see.

You are so freaking true though.

PlayStation is definitely not in panic mode. I would say the complete opposite. They seem to be very comfortable, maybe too comfortable lol.

It is what it is. I say the only way Sony truly goes into panic mode is if their new consoles have widespread overheating reports.

Panic mode??????????????? LMAO just stop it dude, they are 40 million plus consoles into this cycle, the leading console selling this gen and have a lot of great titles so how in the world are they in panic mode. Fanboys and their logic.

I think they spelled it out pretty damn good:

http://news.xbox.com/2016/06/13/xbox-e3-2016-briefing-news-recap/

"Today, at the Xbox E3 2016 Briefing, Team Xbox unveiled a new family of Xbox One devices"

"We are bringing our biggest games lineup ever to Xbox One and Windows 10, uniting gamers across networks on Xbox Live and expanding the Xbox One family of devices with the addition of Xbox One S and Project Scorpio to give gamers more choice in how and where they play."

"Introducing the Xbox One family of devices

The new lineup of Xbox One hardware and accessories delivers unprecedented choice and level of personalization for gamers. All Xbox One devices will play current and future Xbox One games as well as titles in the Xbox One Backward Compatibility program, and all accessories will work across every console in the Xbox One family as well.

• Xbox One S. Debuting a sleek new design and “robot white” color, the new Xbox One S is the smallest and most compact Xbox ever. The 40 percent smaller console has an internal power supply and supports 4K Ultra HD for Blu-ray movies and content streamed from partners like Netflix and Amazon Video. High Dynamic Range (HDR) support for video and gaming delivers richer, more luminous colors in games like Gears of War 4.1 Available for preorder beginning today and in stores starting August 2016:
  • 500GB Xbox One S is $299 USD/ £249 GBP / €299 EUR,
  • 1TB Xbox One S is $349 USD / £299 GBP / €349 EUR
  • Limited launch edition 2TB Xbox One S will be available in select markets for $399 USD / £349 GBP / €399 EUR.
• Project Scorpio. Coming Holiday 2017, Project Scorpio will be the most powerful console ever created, with 6 teraflops of GPU delivering a premier console gaming experience including true 4K gaming and high fidelity virtual reality. Project Scorpio will join the Xbox One family and coexist alongside Xbox One and Xbox One S and all of your Xbox One games and accessories are compatible.

@kvally: The plot thickens...

The check is in the mail. Wait, he may have direct deposit. I just hope this isn't for free with all the money MS has.

They send me Visa debit cards with the chips in them. More secure.

yeah, what will MS do without exclusives while SONY-current gen 8 console leader retains them?

We shall see!

It's a shame the slim model adds nothing new AND looks worse. The Xbox S was an improvement over the original in about all departments. However, I don't think anyone should take the slim model that seriously.

I think the Pro is fine too, the Pro and Scorpio are just pushing the graphics and performance up while maintaining brand name and backwards compatibility. I know the Pro is very much intended for VR as well.

I do wish they had a little more confidence in their product. Microsoft seems very confident in their S and fall/holiday lineup of games. The only thing Sony should be panicking about is the lack of games right now, and they should make sure it doesn't happen ever again

I don't get the sense that they are panicing. They didn't load their press conference up with a bunch of useless marketing hype. They just announced the products, gave a release date, gave a price, and showed to the audience some of the new features. It was a low key event, but it wasn't a failure by any stretch.

Sony is soundly in the lead. They have no reason to panic.

Personally I think the PS4 Pro is a response to the PS VR. I've been saying all along that the PS4 is not powerful enough to do proper VR. Sony must have agreed since this PS4 Pro is coming out conveniently around the time the PS VR is going to release.

The PS4 Pro in by no way is trying to compete against a PC. Neither Sony nor Microsoft considers the PC to be a threat to their platform. Expanding PS Now to the PC simply expands the market base for PS Now. There is no agenda other than increasing sales. You're reading into this too much.

The PS4 sales are a bit down right now due to them tapping out the existing market. There are already 40 million PS4's on the market, eventually sales at $300 were going to slow down a bit.

Sony has nothing to do with No Man's Sky and the Fallout 4 mods.
Edit: Apparently that's all on Sony, but I still don't think it matters that much.

All I see is some Sony hater coming up with asinine reasons to justify their hyperbolic thread title.

https://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/ps4-mod-update/2016/09/09/199

"After months of discussion with Sony, we regret to say that while we have long been ready to offer mod support on PlayStation 4, Sony has informed us they will not approve user mods the way they should work: where users can do anything they want for either Fallout 4 or Skyrim Special Edition."

Oh I was wrong.

My bad.

No worries. To be honest, I don't think it's a big deal. I have not once heard of anyone bragging about all the modding they have been doing on the Xbox One version. I just don't see the demand.

This is definitely the first bump in the road for Sony this gen... they've had it pretty good up until now relying on the hype and 3rd party deals they've used since day 1 (with a trickle of 1st party games here and there). But MS is coming at them now with some real competition. It'll be interesting to see how they react going forward... going off that event this week, so far they are totally unconvincing. Looked like the Sony from early PS3 days.

That's true. How do they go from the good looking PS4, to the ugly PS4 Slim. They traded places with the Xbox One, where now the Xbox One S looks better. The PS4 Pro looks silly too imo.

I like the irony of last gen when Sony said "We think every PlayStation 3 owner should have an 'elite' experience", now they have a 'Pro' version of the PS4.

It's not a desperate move at all.

The PS4 Slim is not meant for people who already own a PS4. It's simply meant to replace the existing PS4 model with a smaller and cheaper to manufacture model. This increases Sony's profit margin on new consoles sold. It's purely a business move by Sony. There is no desperation in increasing your profit margins. Every single company looks to increase their gross margin by any way they can.

So you may say, "why don't they drop the price if it's cheaper to make?". Price is determined by demand. It's in any company's best interest to keep the price of a product as high as they possibly can and still meet their sales goals. There is no sense in dropping your price if you're still moving profit and staying profitable at your current price point. Only when your price point is hurting the demand of your product do you adjust the price if you are able. A move to a slimmer, and presumably cheaper to manufacture console, gives them more profit now while giving them the ability to reduce the price without incurring a loss per unit.

There is no desperation in this. Microsoft did the exact same thing with the Xbox One S. The One S is a bit more powerful simply because they clocked the GPU and CPU a bit higher. The actual hardware remains mostly unchanged.

There are other ways of increasing your profit margins too. Sony increasing the price of PS+ to $60 a year is a pretty good example of this. Their research into a price increase led them to believe that a $10 a year price increase would net them more new revenue than it would lose them from people discontinuing service, so they went ahead with it.

Another way to reduce prices is to find other vendors that can supply you the parts you need for your machine at a lower cost. While AMD is still supply the CPU and GPU for the PS4 Slim and Xbox One S, Sony and Microsoft could have found somebody else to build the motherboard, disk drives, harddrives, and RAM, or simply renegotiated their contracts with their existing suppliers. AMD could have also been able to reduce the cost of their chips by figuring out better manufacturing methods or finding cheaper materials.

Tons of ways to save money on a device. One of the most obvious is just to shrink the size of the device. Smaller devices means less raw resources needed which means a lower price to manufacture.

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