Why is square so bad this gen?

Square...they used to make great games like Chrono Trigger/Cross, FF4....FF7/8/9, FFX.....such amazing master pieces. But what happened to them? I noticed after FFX (their last good FF) it started to go downhill, especially with that trash MMO (whih MMO isn't? ). And their character designs have gone off the wall, it happened in FF12, seriously who wanted to play as a cross dresser?

Square is not the giant they used to be, even the hardcore FF fans today have to admit it. I don't know what happened, but Square needs to go back to it's roots, those games were perfect, so use that kind of formula. Whatever it is Square is trying to do today, it isn't working. FF13 is honestly one of the worst games I played this gen. I tried so hard to like it, but I could not. A game should not have to do that, it should not feel like work.

Only FF game I'm looking forward to is FFX HD for PS3, I am not looking forward to any of their new FF games. So why does Square suck now? What happened?

I've liked its games so far this gen, plus they've added a couple of other good games outside of the RPG genre. IMO its getting a bigger more worldwide appeal and not being known only for good graphics and some RPGs

They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

Sleeping Dogs? Just Cause2? Both fantastic games

They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

parkurtommo

They're definitely not what they use to be when it comes to quality, but a few of their games (or games they published) this gen I've enjoyed.

The Last Remnant, Nier, Sleeping Dogs, Just Cause 2, Final Fantasy XIII.

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They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

Blabadon

In Japan, the game-makers are the rock stars. It's their Hollywood. And it's gone from small, focused teams of like-minded indiviuals working on a single creative vision; and turned into a cold corporate monster with teams of people possibly in the hundreds working on games (just doing their jobs). Gaming isn't what it used to be because of this complete change in direction/production/focus.

It's not all doom and gloom. There are some companies out there just starting up, trying to get things back to where they were. The old developers and publishers we grew up with are too big to stop doing what they're doing now. They're a big-time business, and they want to sell their candy to as many people as possible. I hope we get to see even more smaller developers emerge soon to give some balance, and truely start a new generation of real gaming ideas. Because if we keep trying to follow these old guys around, we're just going to keep on getting dissappointed.

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They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

parkurtommo

they are far from bad. They also publish some good stuff.

They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

parkurtommo

They published those, they did not make them.

Plus PC is all about ports anyway.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Plus PC is all about ports anywaySNIPER4321

Wow....all I did was just say one comment about PC and Captain Hermit immediately jumpts to the rescue to defeat the evil Dr Shadow Moses.

Why are you guys so sensitive about PC? And Hermits over exaggerate the better multiplat thing, it is better but not that much better. Not without mods at least.

They gave us the brilliant Deus Ex, and have Hitman Absolution and Tomb Raider on the way. Not to mention Thief 4. Plus the games they've published such as Sleeping Dogs. I think they're pretty fantastic this gen.

The Japanese side sucks but Japan in general has went downhill.

But the Eidos and western devs have really been on the ball. Deus Ex was great and Hitman and Tomb Raider look good as well.

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Plus PC is all about ports anywayShadowMoses900

Wow....all I did was just say one comment about PC and Captain Hermit immediately jumpts to the rescue to defeat the evil Dr Shadow Moses.

Why are you guys so sensitive about PC? And Hermits over exaggerate the better multiplat thing, it is better but not that much better. Not without mods at least.

They gave us the brilliant Deus Ex, and have Hitman Absolution and Tomb Raider on the way. Not to mention Thief 4. Plus the games they've published such as Sleeping Dogs. I think they're pretty fantastic this gen.

RR360DD

Theif 4 is not out yet, I did not know Square was making it either.

I am referring to the Final Fantasy series, not those other devs they acquried.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Plus PC is all about ports anywaySNIPER4321

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They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

ShadowMoses900

They published those, they did not make them.

Plus PS3 is all about ports anyway.

fixed

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[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] Here we go again. even if port but still PC always got superior multiplat. deal with itcain006

Wow....all I did was just say one comment about PC and Captain Hermit immediately jumpts to the rescue to defeat the evil Dr Shadow Moses.

Why are you guys so sensitive about PC? And Hermits over exaggerate the better multiplat thing, it is better but not that much better. Not without mods at least.

Now now....let's not talk falsely.

Elders Scroll's Skyrim - Xbox 360, Ps3 & PC comparison

Not much of a difference between the PC and the console version in graphics.

Honestly FFXII >>>>>> FFX.

At least they made TWEWY.

Yes they have sucked as game developers.. All they do is leech off other successful developers now. Publishing a game means essentially nothing.

Plus PC is all about ports anyway.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Plus PC is all about ports anywaydeu5ka175

Yes exactly. I am not saying they don't look better, they tend to have better draw distances and a bit better lighting and whatnot, but they don't look THAT much better. Certainly not to the level where hermits say the console versions look like crap. It's not a night and day difference like Hermits say it is, not worth the money at all.

Only if you use graphic mods then there is a big difference.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Wow....all I did was just say one comment about PC and Captain Hermit immediately jumpts to the rescue to defeat the evil Dr Shadow Moses.

Why are you guys so sensitive about PC? And Hermits over exaggerate the better multiplat thing, it is better but not that much better. Not without mods at least.

ShadowMoses900

Now now....let's not talk falsely.

Elders Scroll's Skyrim - Xbox 360, Ps3 & PC comparison

Not much of a difference between the PC and the console version in graphics.

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Plus PC is all about ports anywayShadowMoses900

Wow....all I did was just say one comment about PC and Captain Hermit immediately jumpts to the rescue to defeat the evil Dr Shadow Moses.

Why are you guys so sensitive about PC? And Hermits over exaggerate the better multiplat thing, it is better but not that much better. Not without mods at least.

please, comparing PS3 games to PC games is like comparing the PS2 to the PS3

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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

rilpas

They published those, they did not make them.

Plus PS3 is all about ports anyway.

fixed

Also true. :P

[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

parkurtommo

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[QUOTE="cain006"]How would you know? Your computer barely runs Skyrim.

gameofthering

Now now....let's not talk falsely.

Elders Scroll's Skyrim - Xbox 360, Ps3 & PC comparison

Not much of a difference between the PC and the console version in graphics.

Maybe if the owners of PS3s bought games and the system was better, Squares flag ship game wouldn't have needed to go multiplat to break even.

Maybe if the owners of PS3s bought games and the system was better, Squares flag ship game wouldn't have needed to go multiplat to break even.

slimjimbadboy

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Maybe if the owners of PS3s bought games and the system was better, Squares flag ship game wouldn't have needed to go multiplat to break even.

TrapJak

I've had pretty good experiences with their games this gen, whether they devved or published them.

And I'm not even into JRPGs at all.

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Now now....let's not talk falsely.

Elders Scroll's Skyrim - Xbox 360, Ps3 & PC comparison

Not much of a difference between the PC and the console version in graphics.

deu5ka175

You're right, no difference :roll:

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Now now....let's not talk falsely.

Elders Scroll's Skyrim - Xbox 360, Ps3 & PC comparison

Not much of a difference between the PC and the console version in graphics.

deu5ka175

[QUOTE="deu5ka175"][QUOTE="gameofthering"] There is also a large performance difference.

parkurtommo

I also much prefer the cinematic headache I get from 30 fps games.

[QUOTE="gameofthering"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Now now....let's not talk falsely.

Elders Scroll's Skyrim - Xbox 360, Ps3 & PC comparison

Not much of a difference between the PC and the console version in graphics.

deu5ka175

Also, skyrim on consoles have load times that can sometimes reach 60 seconds. Instantly transitioning from town to city to cave beats waiting 10 minutes spining ice troll figures during a 3 hour session.

[QUOTE="deu5ka175"][QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] Here we go again. even if port but still PC always got superior multiplat. deal with itShadowMoses900

Yes exactly.

Glad we're all in agreement.

the only reason Just Cause, Deus Ex and Sleeping Dogs turned out good is because Square had no input on those games, they just published them.

the only reason Just Cause, Deus Ex and Sleeping Dog turned out good is because Square had no input on those game, they just published them.

Gue1

Square-Enixx has had some very poor management, putting so much focus on the Crystals engine hurt them, they're giving themselves way too many projects, all the while announcing some titles WAAAAAY too early *cough* Versus *coough*

SE is a much weaker company than Square was for sure. that being said they're has still been some good to come from them: TWEWY was a very well receoved game, I've never heard anything bad about DQIX (have yet to play it myself), both the FF: Dissidia games are very fun and have a terrific battle system, FFXII and FFXIII were both mixed bags for me; both having some merits but still be disappointing titles compared to previous FF's. And then as others brought up, they published Deus Ex: Human revolutiion which was great, and are also responsible for publishing Sleeping Dogs and Just Cause 2, both games which as far as I know have been received well.

the only reason Just Cause, Deus Ex and Sleeping Dogs turned out good is because Square had no input on those games, they just published them.

Gue1