Why is square so bad this gen?

Honestly FFXII >>>>>> FFX.

At least they made TWEWY.

Seabas989

Agreed, i love the battle system in FFXII. FFX felt like a linear corridor rpg:?

Square´s best games this gen is those non-jrpg´s, they have published some great games:)

I give them credit for publishing great games like Deus Ex HR, Just Cause 2 and Sleeping Dogs...

But most of the games they've actually developed this gen have been terrible. I think it's because they (like many Japanese developers) are too stuck in their old ways.

Square...they used to make great games like Chrono Trigger/Cross, FF4....FF7/8/9, FFX.....such amazing master pieces. But what happened to them? I noticed after FFX (their last good FF) it started to go downhill, especially with that trash MMO (whih MMO isn't? ). And their character designs have gone off the wall, it happened in FF12, seriously who wanted to play as a cross dresser?

Square is not the giant they used to be, even the hardcore FF fans today have to admit it. I don't know what happened, but Square needs to go back to it's roots, those games were perfect, so use that kind of formula. Whatever it is Square is trying to do today, it isn't working. FF13 is honestly one of the worst games I played this gen. I tried so hard to like it, but I could not. A game should not have to do that, it should not feel like work.

Only FF game I'm looking forward to is FFX HD for PS3, I am not looking forward to any of their new FF games. So why does Square suck now? What happened?

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="deu5ka175"][QUOTE="gameofthering"] There is also a large performance difference.

parkurtommo

I love the folks saying oh hey just cause 2, sleeping dogs, and deus ex....something the square side of the company had absolutely nothing to do with. and the hermits....LOL f***ing morons.WilliamRLBaker

That's what I was thinking. They're just a publisher of those games. No idea why people in this thread brought them up.

They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

parkurtommo

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

ShadowMoses900

They published those, they did not make them.

Plus PC is all about ports anyway.

They did make them..... anyway square is doing fine. Deus Ex, those two I quoted, hitman, tomb raider.. yeah looks ok to me.

the only reason Just Cause, Deus Ex and Sleeping Dogs turned out good is because Square had no input on those games, they just published them.

Gue1

Um yes they did.... SE japan even helped with Deus Ex.

Square...they used to make great games like Chrono Trigger/Cross, FF4....FF7/8/9, FFX.....such amazing master pieces. But what happened to them? I noticed after FFX (their last good FF) it started to go downhill, especially with that trash MMO (whih MMO isn't? ). And their character designs have gone off the wall, it happened in FF12, seriously who wanted to play as a cross dresser?

Square is not the giant they used to be, even the hardcore FF fans today have to admit it. I don't know what happened, but Square needs to go back to it's roots, those games were perfect, so use that kind of formula. Whatever it is Square is trying to do today, it isn't working. FF13 is honestly one of the worst games I played this gen. I tried so hard to like it, but I could not. A game should not have to do that, it should not feel like work.

Only FF game I'm looking forward to is FFX HD for PS3, I am not looking forward to any of their new FF games. So why does Square suck now? What happened?

ShadowMoses900

Something tells me you're serious about this.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]I love the folks saying oh hey just cause 2, sleeping dogs, and deus ex....something the square side of the company had absolutely nothing to do with. and the hermits....LOL f***ing morons.GamerwillzPS

That's what I was thinking. They're just a publisher of those games. No idea why people in this thread brought them up.

Well Uncharted isn't a sony game. Sony just published it :|

They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

parkurtommo

ding ding ding winner winner

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

They care about making good pc ports, and they publish good games bro.

DarkLink77

Not only that but they told the devs to go all out with the PC version and gave them a lot of support for that game. They seem to understand and see potential in things. They did a great job helping out with sleeping dogs

They are one of the few publishers/Devs out there that i would help out by buying their games new, and if possible collectors editions.

so i disagree with you man.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]I love the folks saying oh hey just cause 2, sleeping dogs, and deus ex....something the square side of the company had absolutely nothing to do with. and the hermits....LOL f***ing morons.GD1551

That's what I was thinking. They're just a publisher of those games. No idea why people in this thread brought them up.

Well Uncharted isn't a sony game. Sony just published it :|

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

That's what I was thinking. They're just a publisher of those games. No idea why people in this thread brought them up.

senses_fail_06

Well Uncharted isn't a sony game. Sony just published it :|

So hey.. what are you getting at exactly?

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

That's what I was thinking. They're just a publisher of those games. No idea why people in this thread brought them up.

senses_fail_06

Well Uncharted isn't a sony game. Sony just published it :|

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"][QUOTE="GD1551"] Except they were 2nd party developers before sony bought them, ya numskull. MFDOOM1983

You have to be independent to be a second party developer.

So hey.. what are you getting at exactly?

GD1551

Great publishers, strong handheld support, shat all over the FF name.

Great publishers, strong handheld support, shat all over the FF name.

Gxgear

cant agree with you on that.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="SKaREO"]Console ports = Trash

Maybe they'll make another PC game and then I can respect them again.SKaREO

Have some bacon.

Cool story, bro.

Have some bacon.

parkurtommo

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]Cool story, bro.

Have some bacon.

SKaREO

[QUOTE="SKaREO"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"]Cool story, bro.

Have some bacon.

parkurtommo

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"] SKaREO

great

now i'm hungry, thanks alot jerks:x

great

now i'm hungry, thanks alot jerks:x

Cheleman

[QUOTE="deu5ka175"][QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] Here we go again. even if port but still PC always got superior multiplat. deal with itShadowMoses900

Yes exactly. I am not saying they don't look better, they tend to have better draw distances and a bit better lighting and whatnot, but they don't look THAT much better. Certainly not to the level where hermits say the console versions look like crap. It's not a night and day difference like Hermits say it is, not worth the money at all.

Only if you use graphic mods then there is a big difference.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Great publishers, strong handheld support, shat all over the FF name.

finalfantasy94

cant agree with you on that.

XIII polarizing the fanbase, XIV, vXIII nowhere in sight. I've given them credit on the handheld front, but those games will be long forgotten as years go by.

They don;t make good games IMO, but they publish good games... like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.dracolich55

Square Enix made Deus Ex... so I'm not sure what you are saying.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Great publishers, strong handheld support, shat all over the FF name.

Gxgear

cant agree with you on that.

XIII polarizing the fanbase, XIV, vXIII nowhere in sight. I've given them credit on the handheld front, but those games will be long forgotten as years go by.

Some liked 13 some didint. I dont count that as **** on the FF name. though I agree with you on the mmo front. They fell on thier face with that one.

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

great

now i'm hungry, thanks alot jerks:x

parkurtommo

all over my mouth

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

cant agree with you on that.

finalfantasy94

XIII polarizing the fanbase, XIV, vXIII nowhere in sight. I've given them credit on the handheld front, but those games will be long forgotten as years go by.

Some liked 13 some didint. I dont count that as **** on the FF name. though I agree with you on the mmo front. They fell on thier face with that one.

That's putting it mildly :P

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

XIII polarizing the fanbase, XIV, vXIII nowhere in sight. I've given them credit on the handheld front, but those games will be long forgotten as years go by.

Gxgear

Some liked 13 some didint. I dont count that as **** on the FF name. though I agree with you on the mmo front. They fell on thier face with that one.

That's putting it mildly :P

why get in depth with it:P. Iv been in so many 13 threads and seen both sides. So its easier to just say some like some didint.

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]They don;t make good games IMO, but they publish good games... like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.GD1551

Square Enix made Deus Ex... so I'm not sure what you are saying.

They only failed with the Final Fantasy franchise and that isn't really a fail... FF XIII it's still a good game, just not as good as its predecessors.Ricardomz

FF13 is horrible!!! jesus christ.. Final Fantasy was a Open world adventure RPG for christ sake... FF13 only has the Name to get sales with out that title the game would have been a market Failure.. the game was trash nothing of it represented a Final Fantasy game.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]They don;t make good games IMO, but they publish good games... like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.dracolich55

Square Enix made Deus Ex... so I'm not sure what you are saying.

You realize Square Enix owns Eidos Montreal correct?

[QUOTE="dracolich55"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Square Enix made Deus Ex... so I'm not sure what you are saying.

GD1551

You realize Square Enix owns Eidos Montreal correct?

And Nintendo owns Retro, but we still make the differentiation of a Retro developed game.

I know TC is a dipsh*t, but I think most everyone in this topic knows what hes getting at. Hes talking about Square, the type of games they are famous for and how they are at an all time low this gen.

The core SE that we know is not on top of their game. They used to crank out gold on a regular basis and now they take years and years to hand out an average game.

Sure they're a good publisher and sure they've acquired some talent under their umbrella, but obviously TC is talking about Square as a developer and how they've handled their flagship IPs in recent years.

I don't think they're bad at all.siLVURcross

My personal opinion? I think they're garbage.

Trying to be objective about it, I'd agree they're not bad. There are much worse devs out there. But they still aren't what they used to be and I believe many would agree to that.