Why is the Gamecube so underappreciated?

@nintendoboy16: @drummerdave9099:

WCW/NWO Revenge alone destroys the majority of that list. And I'm being generous because actually it's better than all those games.

And Nintendoboy, don't judge it how it plays today.

Also Nboy, World is Not Enough was OK, but it ain't messing with GoldenEye.

Except with GameCube's reception circa 2006, that's hardly true. Sean Malstrom even points it out on several occasions.

Ok troll go away now

@drummerdave9099:

Revenge is a classic, there's no denying that. You're a troll for denying its greatness.

Oh I forgot, this is system Wars where sports/wrestling games don't exist.

My bad.

N64 had some solid games- like 25 or so. It was my first system- my sisters had their SNES that I played Super Mario World, Link to the Past, and Donkey Kong Country on, but the N64 was really mine. The wrestling games were fun. Not nearly as important as about 15 other games on the platform, but still very fun.

I never said sports and wrestling games don't exist. In fact I love it when people say stuff like "WiiU couldn't even get sports games lol" and then say "Lol annual sports games" to fans of the genre.

But no one N64 game is not better than 40 Gamecube games. That's why I called you a troll.

Perhaps not... However, that is the way I view it. I love and have always loved Nintendo, but I dont hesitate to say that the GC is easily my 1st or 2nd most disliked console of theirs. That is NOT to say it was bad. Its just that the bar was so high to begin with (for me) ;)

The NES? My first mainstream love, and a console I own over half the entire US library of.

SNES? Right up there with the NES, and probably ties or SLIGHTLY wins as best Nintendo console (once again for me.. after this point, this should just be assumed.. lol)

N64? My love for shooters started here, 007 gave me THOUSANDS of hours of gameplay and I STILL play inverted to this day because of it. Vigilante 8.. Kobe Bryant.. Perfect Dark.. etc.

GC? I was looking for a follow up.. I didn't get it. It's not that some of the games weren't great, it just isn't what I was looking for. I feel the GC took a step back in the maturity department (probably all perception, and perhaps I base my dislike for the console on the fact that 007 and Perfect Dark just set way too high of a bar overall).

Wii? Meh.. I bought into it. Love collecting for it. A few good games.. ton of shovelware.. that I LOVE... lol

WiiU? Mario Maker. enough said

Switch? Loving it so far.

GameCube had TimeSplitters 2, which was created by the same team behind GoldenEye and Perfect Dark. Also, the GameCube had Metroid Prime 1 & 2, some of the most acclaimed first-person shooters of all time. And beyond first-person shooters, it had Resident Evil 4, one of the most acclaimed third-person shooters of all time, and definitely very "mature". It also had plenty of "mature" games in genres like stealth (e.g. Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Splinter Cell series), survival horror (e.g. Resident Evil series, Eternal Darkness), and whatever genre Killer7 belongs to.

I mean there's literally thousands of third party games on the PS2. I guess you could argue GC got mostof the biggest multiplats, but even that is questionable to me.

GC missed the likes of Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid (PS1 port aside), Max Payne series (in fact all Rockstar games), PES series, Guitar Hero series, PC multiplats like Deus Ex, Half Life 1 (PS2) and 2, Fable, Jade Empire, Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2, Pirates, (Xbox), plus 3rd party exclusive games like Ace Combat, Dragon Quest, Devil May Cry series, Okami, plus the later installments of top series like Burnout, Timesplitters and Hitman.

I would consider it a good, but rather incomplete 3rd party library. Better than N64, Wii or WiiU ever managed anyway.

N64 library without the 1st party Nintendo developed and published games is a desperately sad joke.

There's several good shooter games (Turok series, EA Bond, Duke Nukem, Body Harvest, Resi 2), couple of platformers (Rayman 2, Space Station Silicon Valley) and some fun sports/wrestling games. Beyond that there's basically nothing.

No RPGs*, no action/adventure, only fighter is Fighter's Destiny (crap), mediocre racers, bad ports, disastrous attempts at turning 2D gold into 3D series (Castlevania) and aborted attempts at mascot platformers. Ick.

N64's godly (but small) library is Nintendo + Rare + a handful of 3rd party gems. GC library was massively more balanced. I'd take Prince Of Persia Trilogy over the entire N64 3rd party library.

(*They never bothered releasing Ogre Battle 64 in Europe)

Whenever you stumble onto the truth, we'll be on the same side ;)

Shine on you crazy diamond!

n64 was better /thread

The N64 had Mortal Kombat Trilogy which was very good and MK4 for fighting games. Fighter's Destiny also had a sequel. Yeah, it didn't have as many good fighting games as the GC.

The only action/adventure games not made by Nintendo or Rare I can think of is Mega Man 64 and Mystical Ninja - Starring Goemon.

The Rush series was quite good and had Road Rash 64, Extreme-G, Ridge Racer 64, and Top Gear Rally for racers. The GC library had way more good 3rd party games.

TC, the better question: Why is the PS2 so awesome? <---the reason for GC underappreciation.

Good shouts, I missed a few. Still wouldn't rate that library without Nintendo/Rare games though. F Zero X over all those racers combined I reckon.

Be careful about that HDMI adapter.

@locopatho: @GameboyTroy:

But N64 had WCW/NWO Revenge and WWF No Mercy.

Thread.

And loco, Prince of Persia was not exclusive.

Soul Calibur II is better.

Exclusive? We're literally talking multiplats here...

@locopatho:

Wasn't the whole thread about GC being pointless?

So if you already had PS2/360, you Prince of Persia available to you.

The N64 3rd party games I listed were exclusive to the system. Which means if you only had a PS1/Saturn, you couldn't play some of N64 exclusive 3rd party games.

The N64 had great wrestling games. It also had WrestleMania 2000 but WWF No Mercy was obviously better than it. If I recall it also had a WWF game that wasn't made by THQ which was a good game.

@GameboyTroy:

To me, Revenge was the pinnacle of that series. WM 2000 and No Mercy was just WWF's roster replacing WCW's.

N64 had warzone and attitude by Acclaim but we're available on PS1.

Lol. You literally ran away from the point being made (3rd party support) to a completely different and irrelevant one (exclusives)

Saturn? Why the **** would I care what Saturn people "could" play? Ridic, you gotta jog on!

Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes was a remake, not a port. Also, GC got Winning Eleven 6, i.e. PES 2, but only in Japan.

Theres one HUGE BIGLY reason the PS2 was such a juggernaut, it was a video game/DVD player hybrid that was 50-70% cheaper than what a standard plain DVD player was. Millions bought them just for that reason alone

Whatever. It didn't get new MGS games is the point. Good for the Japanese gamers, they get more games and often sooner than us, but doesn't really help me.

Godly PS2 > great Xbox > good, but last place GC, when it comes to 3rd party, I think.

In terms of third party:

PS2 > GameCube = Xbox

In terms of overall software library:

PS2 > GameCube > Xbox

Just ain't so. Apart from a few Japanese games, Xbox got every 3rd party game GC did AND it's own 3rd party exclusives like Ninja Gaiden and Otogi AND plenty of games with PS2 (Max Payne, GTA, Metal Gear Solid, later Hitman/Burnout/Timesplitters/PES, etc), AND it got a pile of PC/Xbox games like Pirates, Morrowind, KOTOR 1 and 2, Jade Empire, Unreal, Half Life 2.

You're entitled to your own opinion of course but I just don't see it...

(Don't have any interest in arguing overall libraries, I'd guess roughly equal, superior GC 1st party cancelling out superior Xbox 3rd party. But wouldn't be surprised preferring either one over the other.)

@locopatho:

Like the comparison above shows, it looks like GameCube definitely beats Xbox in terms of overall software library. But in terms of third-party, another comparison:

Action-adventure - GameCube wins

• GameCube - Resident Evil 0-4
• Xbox - Grand Theft Auto trilogy

Fighting - Xbox wins

• GameCube - Soul Calibur II, Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen 3 & 4, Capcom vs SNK 2
• Xbox - Soul Calibur II, Dead or Alive 3, Dead or Alive Ultimate, Guilty Gear X2, Capcom vs SNK 2

Platformer - GameCube wins

• GameCube - Viewtiful Joe, Sonic Adventure 1-2, Sonic Heroes, Monkey Ball 1-2, Prince of Persia trilogy
• Xbox - Psychonauts, Rayman 3, Sonic Heroes, Prince of Persia trilogy

Racing - Tie

• GameCube - Burnout 1 & 2, F-Zero GX, SSX Tricky, SSX3, Need for Speed Underground 1 & 2
• Xbox - Burnout 1-3, SSX Tricky, SSX3, Need for Speed Underground 1 & 2

RPG - Tie

• GameCube - Tales of Symphonia, Skies of Arcadia Legends, Phantasy Star Online I & II, Baten Kaitos
• Xbox - Knights of the Old Republic, Morrowind, Phantasy Star Online I & II, Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance

Shooter - Tie

• GameCube - TimeSplitters 2-3, Resident Evil 4, Ikaruga, Rogue Squadron II & III
• Xbox - TimeSplitters 2-3, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Chronicles of Riddick, House of the Dead 3

Simulation - GameCube wins

• GameCube - Rogue Squadron II & III, Animal Crossing, The Sims 1 & 2, Harvest Moon: Magical Melody & A Wonderful Life
• Xbox - Crimson Skies, The Sims 1 & 2, MechAssault 1 & 2

Sports - Xbox wins

• GameCube - Winning Eleven 6, FIFA 2003-07, SSX Tricky, SSX3, NFL 2K3, Madden NFL 2005
• Xbox - Winning Eleven 8, FIFA 2003-07, SSX Tricky, SSX3, NFL 2K5, Championship Manager, Madden NFL 2005

Stealth - Xbox wins

• GameCube - Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Splinter Cell, Chaos Theory
• Xbox - Metal Gear Solid 2, Splinter Cell, Chaos Theory

Strategy - Xbox wins

• GameCube - Worms 3D
• Xbox - Worms 3D, Full Spectrum Warrior, Sid Meier's Pirates

Survival horror - GameCube wins

• GameCube - Resident Evil 0, REmake, RE2, RE3, Code Veronica X, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness
• Xbox - Silent Hill 2, Silent Hill 4

Overall - Draw

• Ties - 3
• GameCube wins - 4
• Xbox wins - 4

In terms of geographic breakdown, GameCube has a clear advantage in Japanese third-party support (along with moderate Western support), while Xbox has a clear advantage in Western third-party support (along with moderate Japanese support), so they both balance each other out in that regard.

Gamecube is overrated.

Only handful of good games in total and Nintendo released like one exclusive a year = Lamecube

2001 - Pikmin, Melee, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, Wave Race: Blue Storm

2002 - Eternal Darkness, Mario Party 4, Metroid Prime, Star Fox Adventures, Super Mario Sunshine

2003 - F-Zero GX, Kirby Air Ride, Zelda: Wind Waker, Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Mario Kart: Double Dash, Mario Party 5, Pac Man VS (Namco IP, Nintendo developed), Wario World

2004 - Metroid Prime 2, Pikmin 2, Pokemon Colosseum, Donkey Konga, Mario Party 6, Star Fox Assault, Zelda: Four Swords Adventures

2005 - Donkey Konga 2, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Mario Party 7, Mario Superstar Baseball, Pokemon XD

2006 - Chibi-Robo, Zelda: Twilight Princess (though did release on Wii earlier)

Yeah, actually DO research before talking crap on the GameCube like that.

Probably because around that time everybody was more interested in the PS2 and Xbox. I loved my gamecube though.