Why is the X360 still without built-in wifi?

Because..... most people have Ethernet cables... and isn't wifi horrible for online MP? I honestly think Sony is very stupid for wasting thier money and time on features too many people don't care about... blu-ray? Wifi... costly features I abosultely never wanted.............................................................while the Xbox 360 focused on online MP.... games.... being able to install your games on your console to conserve games..... being able to create your own game and sell it on live...... now those are cooler features... know why? Because they have to do with games...and that's why I bought a console... for the games not to watch a movie on blu-ray.......Calmador

No matter how much some people try to twist and turn it, wifi is very much useful in this day and age and should be standard by now. For those saying wifi is useless, are you gonna say the same thing when MS includes it in their next console?

[QUOTE="mD-"]The ignorance on this thread is outstanding. Wireless router =/= terrible connection. It doesn't always make sense to run 100ft wires through your house when you have an good cable provider. Wireless is future proof, and it keeps on getting faster and more stable. It's also way more convenient and I still don't lag in games. Maybe your modem/router is next to your Xbox 360 and that's great for you, but for others the set up is a little more complicated. If you're worried about connection and lag, just make sure you get the right router and set it up right. My baby = http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190rp108

Please, just stop making excuses. Have you ever thought about having your modem and wireless router next to your Xbox 360, hardline into the router and make your PC wireless? I think you need the better bandwidth for online gaming than surfing Gamespot.

And wireless router != terrible connection it is a wireless connection that is unstable and is not as good for online gaming. Have you actually played on someones wireless connection? I have plenty on numerous occasions with all different service providers, DSL and cable and it's bad.

cause its selling fine without it

You'd think they'd Atleast give us that considering their competitors both are giving it away.Tony-Baxter

I've never really understood why they have not added it. I work for the company that makes the wireless chips for Nintendo, and some other manufactures. They really are cheap cost wise, so it wouldn't cost MS much to add the option to the Xbox. My only guess is because people still buy their wireless adapter...why I don't know. There are cheaper options out there if you need Wi-Fi.

PS3 wifi sucks. Maybe that's why.

Get a cheap bridge and get PC grade wifi.

I'm running both PS3 and 360 on wireless N... With a Dlink DAP 1522. Feels like I'm wired... Unlike with the PS3's built in G, that has latency issues. I can tell when I use that.

PS3 wifi sucks. Maybe that's why.

Get a cheap bridge and get PC grade wifi.

I'm running both PS3 and 360 on wireless N... With a Dlink DAP 1522. Feels like I'm wired... Unlike with the PS3's built in G, that has latency issues. I can tell when I use that.

Truth_Hurts_U

What a load of beeswax.

I live in the country side and my ps3 is approximately 34-40metres away (solid wall surface) and have no problems with Ps3 wifi. I get 89% solid rate with no disconnections or lag in games. Oh, i have Netgear, the daddy of wireless ;)

Because they make money of it. Unfortunately the consumer is apparently also willing to pay for it. Same with online. Very unfortunate that, because with people apparently willing to pay for this, the only thing that can happen is the competition following their example next gen. That sucks for all of us.

Why wii can't even read a DVD? Cuz that how it is, wireless is useless.silversix_

Disagree, thats one of the few gripes I have about the Xbox360.. I thought wifi is nice to have on my PS3 I don't need another ethernet cord running through my room.. Counter to popular beleif, many people don't set up their cable modems right next to their console.. They are in other rooms..

Lol, wireless connection for consoles. I laugh.

Lol, wireless connection for consoles. I laugh.

Verge_6

Why?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Lol, wireless connection for consoles. I laugh.

NielsNL

Why?

Because running a 27-foot wire has MANY benefits for me...

example: I won't lag out:P

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Lol, wireless connection for consoles. I laugh.

NielsNL

Why?

I don't mind running a line and I do it for my PS3 as well. You get a better connection anyway.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Lol, wireless connection for consoles. I laugh.

HavocV3

Why?

Because running a 27-foot wire has MANY benefits for me...

example: I won't lag out:P

Wireless is extremely good now.. You won't lag out, infact you won't notice a differecne between the two when playing games.. And may not even know a difference in downloading and uploading things because your wirless rates may already be faster then your cable modem rates.. The only time you will lage out is when your cable modem drops, and a ethernet connection won't make a difference.

I don't mind running a line and I do it for my PS3 as well. You get a better connection anyway.

ironcreed

If you have a crappy older version of the wireless router.. Then yes, if you have a relatively new one.. You will not notice a difference what so ever.

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Why?

sSubZerOo

Because running a 27-foot wire has MANY benefits for me...

example: I won't lag out:P

Wireless is extremely good now.. You won't lag out, infact you won't notice a differecne between the two when playing games.. And may not even know a difference in downloading and uploading things because your wirless rates may already be faster then your cable modem rates.. The only time you will lage out is when your cable modem drops, and a ethernet connection won't make a difference.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

Because running a 27-foot wire has MANY benefits for me...

example: I won't lag out:P

Verge_6

Wireless is extremely good now.. You won't lag out, infact you won't notice a differecne between the two when playing games.. And may not even know a difference in downloading and uploading things because your wirless rates may already be faster then your cable modem rates.. The only time you will lage out is when your cable modem drops, and a ethernet connection won't make a difference.

Well you are not the rule, as I and most of my friends that use wireless have none such problem.. Wireless is as fast as wired now when it comes to playing games, the only thing you will see is a slightly slower download speed (if you see one, my wireless is extremely fast and keeps up with my cable modem just fine).. And I would like to know what this interference is coming from, because I have had none such thing ever happen with wireless.. They work on their own unique frequeninces..

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Wireless is extremely good now.. You won't lag out, infact you won't notice a differecne between the two when playing games.. And may not even know a difference in downloading and uploading things because your wirless rates may already be faster then your cable modem rates.. The only time you will lage out is when your cable modem drops, and a ethernet connection won't make a difference.

sSubZerOo

Well you are not the rule, as I and most of my friends that use wireless have none such problem.. Wireless is as fast as wired now when it comes to playing games, the only thing you will see is a slightly slower download speed (if you see one, my wireless is extremely fast and keeps up with my cable modem just fine)..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] What are you talking about? The number of interference and lag I had with wifi was incredible. :?Verge_6

Well you are not the rule, as I and most of my friends that use wireless have none such problem.. Wireless is as fast as wired now when it comes to playing games, the only thing you will see is a slightly slower download speed (if you see one, my wireless is extremely fast and keeps up with my cable modem just fine)..

It certainly does count, but what I am pointing out that Wireless is hardly weak compared to wired.. And for many people it works perfectly fine... And I am still trying to figure out what you mean by "interference".. Because Wireless routers work on their own unique frequenices.. You live right next to the sun in space or something?

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Why?

sSubZerOo

Because running a 27-foot wire has MANY benefits for me...

example: I won't lag out:P

Wireless is extremely good now.. You won't lag out, infact you won't notice a differecne between the two when playing games.. And may not even know a difference in downloading and uploading things because your wirless rates may already be faster then your cable modem rates.. The only time you will lage out is when your cable modem drops, and a ethernet connection won't make a difference.

wireless is most suceptible to interference, unless you wrap an ethernet cable around some incandescent lights. I don't upload and I download things overnight, considering you're not in my situation, you would know that my ISP has me capped at 100 KBPS download. my 768k works for everything else just fine, including online gaming.

how can wireless be faster than my modem? my modem supplies what rate I can get, and it goes to my router, I also run directly from my modem, because if I don't...I lag out.

wireless isn't on par, and I know it's going to come close, but it will never ever be as good. It's not even capable of the speeds that wires can currently do and it's still most suceptible to interferance.

besides, the situation varies from person-to-person. I'm sure you learned about my crappy download life enough.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Lol, wireless connection for consoles. I laugh.

Verge_6

Why?

I see.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Well you are not the rule, as I and most of my friends that use wireless have none such problem.. Wireless is as fast as wired now when it comes to playing games, the only thing you will see is a slightly slower download speed (if you see one, my wireless is extremely fast and keeps up with my cable modem just fine)..

sSubZerOo

It certainly does count, but what I am pointing out that Wireless is hardly weak compared to wired.. And for many people it works perfectly fine... And I am still trying to figure out what you mean by "interference".. Because Wireless routers work on their own unique frequenices.. You live right next to the sun in space or something?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Well you are not the rule, as I and most of my friends that use wireless have none such problem.. Wireless is as fast as wired now when it comes to playing games, the only thing you will see is a slightly slower download speed (if you see one, my wireless is extremely fast and keeps up with my cable modem just fine)..

sSubZerOo

It certainly does count, but what I am pointing out that Wireless is hardly weak compared to wired.. And for many people it works perfectly fine... And I am still trying to figure out what you mean by "interference".. Because Wireless routers work on their own unique frequenices.. You live right next to the sun in space or something?

microwaves, phones, radios, lights. RFI is what it's called. wires are more subject to EMI.

according to Cisco networking at least, I don't think they're going to be BS'ing me like that:?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Lol, wireless connection for consoles. I laugh.

NielsNL

Why?

I see.

Actually, I'm braggin' about my wired console gaming experience. :D Although, admittedly, my PC is also wired...

Verge_6

Oops.. Sorry about that then. My Wifi connection is perfectly fine for both my PS3 and 360 though. I think a good router can make a big difference in that respect. Even my Wii's Wifi connection seems fine, although I've never played online using it, so it might suck.

I game with a WiFi and I don't get any problems with it. So what are people saying WiFi gaming sucks? LOL.

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

I don't mind running a line and I do it for my PS3 as well. You get a better connection anyway.

sSubZerOo

If you have a crappy older version of the wireless router.. Then yes, if you have a relatively new one.. You will not notice a difference what so ever.

I have a great wireless gateway and my new 360 Elite has WiFi, but I am not going to buy the adapter when it should be built in. Even the Wii has built in WiFi and it works great, but I still prefer to run a line to my 360 and PS3. No big deal.

I think people forgot that Sony also had a PS3 without wifi and it was much cheaper than the one with one. I'm not even sure if you can upgrade that non-wifi PS3 with wifi. Too bad they discontinued that. I think if they kept it there would be a PS3 as cheap as an Arcade model.

[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"]You'd think they'd Atleast give us that considering their competitors both are giving it away.theseekar

Maybe because only 10% of 360 gamers actually need it, it is pointless

A 5$ lan cable will do, 99% of the time 360 is not THAT far from the router, and you can always grab a HUGE lan cable for almost free

MS is doing it the right way, i dont want to pay extra for something i have exactly ZERO need of

Please, pretty much every piece of electronics has wifi built in these days, it's expected.

I don't use it on my phone, but it's there. It would be more understandable if it wasn't so overpriced to buy it, but it is.

As far as your figures, I do believe they are pulled right out of your rear end, as just about everyone I know would have to do some extensive rearranging of their network to wire something from their entertainment center in.

Yes, you can piece the xbox together to get what you want, and only pay for it. But the add ons are so much more expensive, when added together, than the price of the competitions inclusive package that I don't see how that argument holds any water at all.

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"]You'd think they'd Atleast give us that considering their competitors both are giving it away.Pug-Nasty

Maybe because only 10% of 360 gamers actually need it, it is pointless

A 5$ lan cable will do, 99% of the time 360 is not THAT far from the router, and you can always grab a HUGE lan cable for almost free

MS is doing it the right way, i dont want to pay extra for something i have exactly ZERO need of

Please, pretty much every piece of electronics has wifi built in these days, it's expected.

I don't use it on my phone, but it's there. It would be more understandable if it wasn't so overpriced to buy it, but it is.

As far as your figures, I do believe they are pulled right out of your rear end, as just about everyone I know would have to do some extensive rearranging of their network to wire something from their entertainment center in.

Yes, you can piece the xbox together to get what you want, and only pay for it. But the add ons are so much more expensive, when added together, than the price of the competitions inclusive package that I don't see how that argument holds any water at all.

PS3 wifi sucks. Maybe that's why.

Get a cheap bridge and get PC grade wifi.

I'm running both PS3 and 360 on wireless N... With a Dlink DAP 1522. Feels like I'm wired... Unlike with the PS3's built in G, that has latency issues. I can tell when I use that.

Truth_Hurts_U

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

Maybe because only 10% of 360 gamers actually need it, it is pointless

A 5$ lan cable will do, 99% of the time 360 is not THAT far from the router, and you can always grab a HUGE lan cable for almost free

MS is doing it the right way, i dont want to pay extra for something i have exactly ZERO need of

fastr

Please, pretty much every piece of electronics has wifi built in these days, it's expected.

I don't use it on my phone, but it's there. It would be more understandable if it wasn't so overpriced to buy it, but it is.

As far as your figures, I do believe they are pulled right out of your rear end, as just about everyone I know would have to do some extensive rearranging of their network to wire something from their entertainment center in.

Yes, you can piece the xbox together to get what you want, and only pay for it. But the add ons are so much more expensive, when added together, than the price of the competitions inclusive package that I don't see how that argument holds any water at all.

Where exactly do you find a new xbox for $150? Last time I checked the cheapest was $199--save for a few sweet bundles that were going around--but for the most part, both base models sell for $299. I don't see how people can argue that the 360 is the better value/cheaper console. Blu Ray is a huge added value. You may not think so now, if you haven't gotten around to switching over from dvd yet, but the change is without question, going to take place. Not only is it a rather good BD player, but it is going to get 3D support soon. And even if that craze doesn't take off, that is still a value--to essentially not have to upgrade your bd player. I could care less about the wifi, but its in there.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

Maybe because only 10% of 360 gamers actually need it, it is pointless

A 5$ lan cable will do, 99% of the time 360 is not THAT far from the router, and you can always grab a HUGE lan cable for almost free

MS is doing it the right way, i dont want to pay extra for something i have exactly ZERO need of

fastr

Please, pretty much every piece of electronics has wifi built in these days, it's expected.

I don't use it on my phone, but it's there. It would be more understandable if it wasn't so overpriced to buy it, but it is.

As far as your figures, I do believe they are pulled right out of your rear end, as just about everyone I know would have to do some extensive rearranging of their network to wire something from their entertainment center in.

Yes, you can piece the xbox together to get what you want, and only pay for it. But the add ons are so much more expensive, when added together, than the price of the competitions inclusive package that I don't see how that argument holds any water at all.

Well, if we are talking about non-MSRP prices, you can find deals and sales on pretty much anything. Just because you can find the stuff cheaper, doesn't make it the price of the item.

I mean just because you could go out and shop lift a candy bar, doesn't mean that you can argue those candy bars are free.

I don't have a problem with MS not including wifi to keep costs down. I do have a problem with them charging $100 for a g adapter that costs about $5 to make. Similar open platform adapters sell for $15 retail.

WiFi Routers are are capable of speeds that far exceed any gaming server. The bottleneck is never created by the Wifi connection, the bottleneck is the server and the ISP. And if someone can't get a stable connection then its just an issue of not knowing how to properly set up a router or using an incompatible router (which should of been discovered by doing research before purchasing.)

Because it doesn't need it?

That would be my guess.

The_Game21x

i don't think they have any financially soundreason to include it.

i don't think they have any financially soundreason to include it.

clone01

because if it was bulit in I wouldn't have a new wireless n adapter ... my PS3 wireless is horrible for gaming online, and while I prefer wired, it's not always an option

i don't think they have any financially soundreason to include it.

clone01

To be fair, parents are often times sold on features, aka things they aren't going to have to buy for their sons/daughters, later. If a parent is going to buy either a 360 or ps3 from Best Buy, the associate will let them know what they will need to get things working. I've seen it plenty of times as well--they'll have the system in their hands, and the associate will tople the parent with an hdmi cable, a few games, and various other nonsense. You think in the process, if the person is already spending around $450, they are going to want to put another $100 on top of that? So while the product may make MS some extra dough, it can quite possibly hinder system sales as well.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

i don't think they have any financially soundreason to include it.

Respawn-d

The amount of people saying "Because wi-fi sucks... ethernet cord is better!" Clearly don't understand that it looks UGLY have a giant cable across your floor or all the extra work just to wrap it though walls.Ringx55

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]The amount of people saying "Because wi-fi sucks... ethernet cord is better!" Clearly don't understand that it looks UGLY have a giant cable across your floor or all the extra work just to wrap it though walls.Verge_6

Now every person that plays games, owns their own home. Some renters aren't allowed to deface property.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Ringx55"]The amount of people saying "Because wi-fi sucks... ethernet cord is better!" Clearly don't understand that it looks UGLY have a giant cable across your floor or all the extra work just to wrap it though walls.Heirren

Now every person that plays games, owns their own home. Some renters aren't allowed to deface property.