Why is the Xbox 360 an incredibly closed system unlike their flagship product?

It seems to me Microsoft enjoys nickel and diming everyone for services that should be free from the very start. Want to play multiplayer? Pony up cash first. Want to watch Netflix? Pony up some cash first too. Imagine if you had to pay money to play multiplayer or use Hulu on the PC? There would be a massive outcry. It also seems like if Microsoft could nickel and dime PC users, they would. Sony all the way. At least they respect their users with essentials continuing to be free and if you want extra stuff then pay for Plus. It's how Live should work but all Microsoft cares is screwing their customers with every fee they can invent. 

Because lems like to brag about how much they get ripped off and how much M$ makes. Noone else is dumb enough to stand for such treatment.

Because Kinectbox.

thats microsoft for you ,

nintendo all the way

It seems to me Microsoft enjoys nickel and diming everyone for services that should be free from the very start. Want to play multiplayer? Pony up cash first. Want to watch Netflix? Pony up some cash first too. Imagine if you had to pay money to play multiplayer or use Hulu on the PC? There would be a massive outcry. It also seems like if Microsoft could nickel and dime PC users, they would. Sony all the way. At least they respect their users with essentials continuing to be free and if you want extra stuff then pay for Plus. It's how Live should work but all Microsoft cares is screwing their customers with every fee they can invent. 

Kjranu

If I hear anymore crying about Xbox Live fees, I may have to shoot myself. We get it, Cows don't want to pay. That's fine.

Because the console market =/= the PC market

Simple as that.

They're trying to gently nudge pc that way with windows 8.

One of the many reasons windows 8 sales are balls.

What you don't want to admit to yourself is that Sony secretly sits up at night and fantasizes about making money off the online system they pay to exist. Only because they needed a reason to be seen as an awesome alternative to XBOX live have they adopted this free model. It is not because they care about you and 15 years ago they slept with your biological mother.

what does a closed system even mean?

It seems to me Microsoft enjoys nickel and diming everyone for services that should be free from the very start. Want to play multiplayer? Pony up cash first. Want to watch Netflix? Pony up some cash first too. Imagine if you had to pay money to play multiplayer or use Hulu on the PC? There would be a massive outcry. It also seems like if Microsoft could nickel and dime PC users, they would. Sony all the way. At least they respect their users with essentials continuing to be free and if you want extra stuff then pay for Plus. It's how Live should work but all Microsoft cares is screwing their customers with every fee they can invent.

Kjranu

I disagee. But, I love your sig. So, it's a wash. Peace.

what does a closed system even mean?

omho88

For the consoles, as it stands, the only way to get something released is to go through Sony/MS/Nintendo first.

On the PC anyone in the world can do whatever they want, and release it without any bit of interference.

Just one more reason to move to PC.  Consolites just have to suck up whatever the corporation demands of them.

Oh and if you think Sony would do anything different if they had the best service from the start then :lol: @ you.

If I hear anymore crying about Xbox Live fees, I may have to shoot myself. We get it, Cows don't want to pay. That's fine.

lundy86_4

Your post is factually perfect. I totally agree.

Lol @ lems in this thread.

Just one more reason to move to PC.  Consolites just have to suck up whatever the corporation demands of them.

Oh and if you think Sony would do anything different if they had the best service from the start then :lol: @ you.

1080pOnly

Because M$ sucks. Not much more explanation needed really. Anyone familiar with M$ history shouldn't be surprised by any of its shady practices anymore.kuraimen

You mean shady practises such as installing rootkits on users computers so they can.... oh hang on, wasn't that Sony...oh yes it was:

The software, which proved undetectable by anti-virus and anti-spyware programs, was in the form of a rootkit that opened the door for other malware to infiltrate computers unseen as well.  Once the rootkit was exposed by security researcher Mark Russinovich on Oct. 31, 2005, all hell broke loose, with Sony BMG botching its initial response ("Most people don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" went the infamous quote from Thomas Hesse, then president of Sony BMG's Global Digital Business.) and later recalling products, issuing and re-issuing software removal tools, and settling lawsuits with a number of states, the Federal Trade Commission and Electronic Frontier Foundation.  Rootkits have since become common among modern malware, with one security company this past summer even demonstrating how a rootkit might one day plague the Google Android smartphone operating system.  The sophisticated Stuxnet worm identified this year as a threat to Windows PCs and industrial systems also uses a rootkit.

We all <3 Sony, they are so good to us and would never do a bad thing, unlike that evil Microsoft....

:Sony has to have free online. Its the only way they could have competed with the 360 this gen. mems_1224

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

If I hear anymore crying about Xbox Live fees, I may have to shoot myself. We get it, Cows don't want to pay. That's fine.

FastEddie2121

SW would deifnitely implode. It would be fun.

[QUOTE="1080pOnly"]

Just one more reason to move to PC.  Consolites just have to suck up whatever the corporation demands of them.

Oh and if you think Sony would do anything different if they had the best service from the start then :lol: @ you.

razgriz_101

Yet they do it by choice, not because it is the only option...so how is that the same?

Backlash alert.

If I hear anymore crying about Xbox Live fees, I may have to shoot myself. We get it, Cows don't want to pay. That's fine.

lundy86_4

Seriously.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"][QUOTE="1080pOnly"]

Just one more reason to move to PC.  Consolites just have to suck up whatever the corporation demands of them.

Oh and if you think Sony would do anything different if they had the best service from the start then :lol: @ you.

1080pOnly

Yet they do it by choice, not because it is the only option...so how is that the same?

Anyone who moans about Xbox live are clearly tramps on some sort, £40 per year is less than a pound a week! you make me sick!Tommyjeeb

[QUOTE="Tommyjeeb"]Anyone who moans about Xbox live are clearly tramps on some sort, £40 per year is less than a pound a week! you make me sick!AmazonTreeBoa

I can only hope you're smoking right now with spelling and grammar this atrocious...

Because with an Operating System you're making software to go with Hardware, Microsoft themselves have almost no control over 3rd party Hardware, the PC market is so vast you can have a computer that has 3 to probably 4 or 5 different pieces of Hardware in it from 5 different companies.

Not to mention the 3rd Party Software that Windows supports that includes Steam, iTunes, Origin, or things that customize your desktop like Rainmaker or Rocket Dock.

Microsoft has almost no control over the PC space, despite having the most popular Operating System.

The Xbox line however, they can dictate that to whatever they want, the Hardware is theirs,The software is theirs, the Online is theirs, everything on that system is pretty much theirs.

You don't have Steam on the Xbox, You have very limited Origin and UPlay on Xbox, Google isn't even on Xbox unless you used INTERNET EXPLORER on there to get it, other wise you're welcomed with BING.

Pretty much, the Xbox 360 system is something Microsoft can fully say it's THEIRS with No 3rd Party plaguing the system (except 3rd Party Games, but that's a different subject altogether.)

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="Tommyjeeb"]Anyone who moans about Xbox live are clearly tramps on some sort, £40 per year is less than a pound a week! you make me sick!The_Game21x

I can only hope you're smoking right now with spelling and grammar this atrocious...

[QUOTE="Tommyjeeb"]Anyone who moans about Xbox live are clearly tramps on some sort, £40 per year is less than a pound a week! you make me sick!AmazonTreeBoa

Hmm. Your brother forgot to log in his account or something?

[QUOTE="Tommyjeeb"]Anyone who moans about Xbox live are clearly tramps on some sort, £40 per year is less than a pound a week! you make me sick!AmazonTreeBoa

If the online is good enough I'll pay for it.

I've paid out-of-pocket for my own PC game servers so that I can always have the best experience for some of my favorite games with friends

I've paid $15 a month for WoW because all the free MMOs sucked

And I'd pay for Xbox Live if I was more focused on console gaming. Whenever I go over to my friend's house to play Halo I just feel the gaming experience is so much nicer, and clean in comparison to my PS3.

It's all about value. If I intend to play online game for hundreds of hours, and enjoy the games a lot, the fees don't bother me so much

Because with an Operating System you're making software to go with Hardware, Microsoft themselves have almost no control over 3rd party Hardware, the PC market is so vast you can have a computer that has 3 to probably 4 or 5 different pieces of Hardware in it from 5 different companies.

Not to mention the 3rd Party Software that Windows supports that includes Steam, iTunes, Origin, or things that customize your desktop like Rainmaker or Rocket Dock.

Microsoft has almost no control over the PC space, despite having the most popular Operating System.

The Xbox line however, they can dictate that to whatever they want, the Hardware is theirs,The software is theirs, the Online is theirs, everything on that system is pretty much theirs.

You don't have Steam on the Xbox, You have very limited Origin and UPlay on Xbox, Google isn't even on Xbox unless you used INTERNET EXPLORER on there to get it, other wise you're welcomed with BING.

Pretty much, the Xbox 360 system is something Microsoft can fully say it's THEIRS with No 3rd Party plaguing the system (except 3rd Party Games, but that's a different subject altogether.)

LegatoSkyheart

/thread. This answers the TC's question

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Because M$ sucks. Not much more explanation needed really. Anyone familiar with M$ history shouldn't be surprised by any of its shady practices anymore.1080pOnly

You mean shady practises such as installing rootkits on users computers so they can.... oh hang on, wasn't that Sony...oh yes it was:

The software, which proved undetectable by anti-virus and anti-spyware programs, was in the form of a rootkit that opened the door for other malware to infiltrate computers unseen as well.  Once the rootkit was exposed by security researcher Mark Russinovich on Oct. 31, 2005, all hell broke loose, with Sony BMG botching its initial response ("Most people don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" went the infamous quote from Thomas Hesse, then president of Sony BMG's Global Digital Business.) and later recalling products, issuing and re-issuing software removal tools, and settling lawsuits with a number of states, the Federal Trade Commission and Electronic Frontier Foundation.  Rootkits have since become common among modern malware, with one security company this past summer even demonstrating how a rootkit might one day plague the Google Android smartphone operating system.  The sophisticated Stuxnet worm identified this year as a threat to Windows PCs and industrial systems also uses a rootkit.

We all <3 Sony, they are so good to us and would never do a bad thing, unlike that evil Microsoft....

MS doesn't nickel and dime anyone. It's dollars now, and lots of em. Sony definitely has the right idea about how to treat their customers with some basic decency.

If I hear anymore crying about Xbox Live fees, I may have to shoot myself.

lundy86_4

pics or gtfo

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

If I hear anymore crying about Xbox Live fees, I may have to shoot myself.

whiskeystrike

pics or gtfo

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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="Tommyjeeb"]Anyone who moans about Xbox live are clearly tramps on some sort, £40 per year is less than a pound a week! you make me sick!Ly_the_Fairy

If the online is good enough I'll pay for it.

I've paid out-of-pocket for my own PC game servers so that I can always have the best experience for some of my favorite games with friends

I've paid $15 a month for WoW because all the free MMOs sucked

And I'd pay for Xbox Live if I was more focused on console gaming. Whenever I go over to my friend's house to play Halo I just feel the gaming experience is so much nicer, and clean in comparison to my PS3.

It's all about value. If I intend to play online game for hundreds of hours, and enjoy the games a lot, the fees don't bother me so much

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="Tommyjeeb"]Anyone who moans about Xbox live are clearly tramps on some sort, £40 per year is less than a pound a week! you make me sick!The_Game21x

I can only hope you're smoking right now with spelling and grammar this atrocious...

It seems to me Microsoft enjoys nickel and diming everyone for services that should be free from the very start. Want to play multiplayer? Pony up cash first. Want to watch Netflix? Pony up some cash first too. Imagine if you had to pay money to play multiplayer or use Hulu on the PC? There would be a massive outcry. It also seems like if Microsoft could nickel and dime PC users, they would. Sony all the way. At least they respect their users with essentials continuing to be free and if you want extra stuff then pay for Plus. It's how Live should work but all Microsoft cares is screwing their customers with every fee they can invent. 

Kjranu

Now with windows 8 they are trying the same thing which is why I refuse to update. I don't want a closed system where all software is gimped on a virtual machine and sold through a closed storefront. Also devs have to pay ms to even put their games on that storefront. Lets not even get into how visual studio 2012 express supposedly doesn't let you dev for standard desktop win32 and is web or metro only.... ugggh.... MS gets worse every year since Gates left. Balmer is a greedy prick and windows xp and 7 are the only good versions.... ./end rant.

Ones an OS and ones a console. :|

As if the others are open systems and it's just MS that has a closed system.

Microsoft tried to make deals with developers that games become windows live exclusives  (at that point it had multiplayer yearly fee). But the whole thing failed because majority of pc gamers didnt bite.

Ummm, probably because all their PC manufacturing Windows customers would be very pissed if they started competing with them by making their own PC's? :P

Die hard 360 fans will tell you they pay for XBL cause its the best online service available.... At first they didnt believe it, but repeating it millions of times throughout the years eventually leads you to becoming brainwashed and believe its true !!

on the other hand I dont blame MS, like all other companies their aim is to make profits and XBL is a money maker !!!

Die hard 360 fans will tell you they pay for XBL cause its the best online service available.... At first they didnt believe it, but repeating it millions of times throughout the years eventually leads you to becoming brainwashed and believe its true !!

on the other hand I dont blame MS, like all other companies their aim is to make profits and XBL is a money maker !!!

Malta_1980

I dont know how true this is, but I have heard many times that microsoft uses some of the xbox live fee money to buy cod dlc as timed exclusive. I assume they make tons of money when people first choose 360 version over ps3, then buy all the dlc.

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

Die hard 360 fans will tell you they pay for XBL cause its the best online service available.... At first they didnt believe it, but repeating it millions of times throughout the years eventually leads you to becoming brainwashed and believe its true !!

on the other hand I dont blame MS, like all other companies their aim is to make profits and XBL is a money maker !!!

Nohtnym

I dont know how true this is, but I have heard many times that microsoft uses some of the xbox live fee money to buy cod dlc as timed exclusive. I assume they make tons of money when people first choose 360 version over ps3, then buy all the dlc.

Its business strategy... MS has a different approach to gaming compared to SONY or Nintendo.. 

I'm just a gamer so am too ignorant to discuss who's best but imo MS surely managed to expand their market share and are now in a solid position...

As I posted earlier, one cannot blame MS for wanting to make money, all companies do that... 

thats microsoft for you ,

nintendo all the way

mariokart64fan

The ps3 is a closed off system, not the 360.