Why is there massive criticism of PS3's lineup but not the Wii's?

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#1 fuzzysquash
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Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

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Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

fuzzysquash

Looke at its obvious flaws and you'll see why

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Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

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#4 web966
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The PS3 cost alot more money.
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#5 deangallop
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Sony $600

Wii $250

That's why...

People expect more.

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Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

fuzzysquash

 

Because the PS2 had it, and the ps3 lost it... where as teh GC didn't have it, and wii has gained it?

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#7 raskullibur
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Because its not about the games it's about the sales chart.
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Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

foxhound_fox


ummmmm no.


Problem is, the Wii is cute.
And like a cute girl, it can and does get away with everything.
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#9 flazzle
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Wii has some pretty good games out now with buzz. Madden, Zelda, Trauma Center, WarioWare, Rabid Rabbits. Even Mii Play is huge (though I think more people get bored with it quickly) Plus it doesnt hurt its packed with an excellent game 'Wii Sports'. There are alot of stinkers though that dont seem to get that much attention, but there is more than one decent game.
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#10 LBFanGirl
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What are you talking about ? The Wii is mainly criticized for it's lineup more then anything ? Even though I think its pretty great myself. ^_^
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#11 LBFanGirl
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

DireToad



ummmmm no.


Problem is, the Wii is cute.
And like a cute girl, it can and does get away with everything.

lol...thats an unusual way of putting it.

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#12 CwlHeddwyn
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well if you think about it the Wii doesnt have a huge lineup but because its selling so well & is so cheap it can get away with it... for now.
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#13 inerte
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Because of the PS2 shadow.
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well if you think about it the Wii doesnt have a huge lineup but because its selling so well & is so cheap it can get away with it... for now.CwlHeddwyn

 

When things are runaway hit's then developers start supporting them.  

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I think there are two things that cause this to happen. First: Honestly the Wii kinda already has a killer ap. Wii Sports is a semi phenomenon. When my parents get excited abuot playing a game something weird is going on. It may be a pack in but then again so was the origional Mario Bros. Secondly: You aren't paying $600 to buy a Wii. I don't know about you but when I pay $600 I better get SOMETHING worthwhile for it. Resistance and Mootorstorm seam really good but they don't have that "it" factor of say a GTA III, Metroid, or Halo.
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#16 fuzzysquash
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[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

GundamGuy0

Because the PS2 had it, and the ps3 lost it... where as teh GC didn't have it, and wii has gained it?

How can the PS3 have "lost it" when it's so early in the game? Or do you mean the loss of exclusives?
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[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

LBFanGirl



ummmmm no.


Problem is, the Wii is cute.
And like a cute girl, it can and does get away with everything.

lol...thats an unusual way of putting it.

Queue Wii vs PS3 commercial And I agree with foxhound_fox. There are already a few good games on the Wii and the library continues to grow. Of course, there are quite a few stinkers in it as well, but at least there are some that redeem it such as Sonic and SSX Blur. There is also more positive hype and more games being announced for it almost at a monthly basis. Plus, right in the horizon we see Nintendo's own big games coming, while for Sony, we have to wait quite a while before the big games come out.
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#18 Felous1
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Sony $600

Wii $250

That's why...

People expect more.

deangallop
Yup.
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Because of the PS2 shadow.inerte
But the PS2 didn't launch with a killer roster of titles :? It too took months and years to develop a great lineup
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#20 fuzzysquash
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[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Sony $600

Wii $250

That's why...

People expect more.

Felous1
Yup.

Understandably so, but it seems that people are more willing to give Wii the room and time to develop its roster, while they're saying the PS3 has failed already b/c it's lineup isn't there.
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#21 foxhound_fox
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[QUOTE="inerte"]Because of the PS2 shadow.fuzzysquash
But the PS2 didn't launch with a killer roster of titles :? It too took months and years to develop a great lineup



And it has it right now. What I think he meant was that the PS3 needs an impressive lineup in order to make people think upgrading from a PS2 to a PS3 as necessary.
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#22 Felous1
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Understandably so, but it seems that people are more willing to give Wii the room and time to develop its roster, while they're saying the PS3 has failed already b/c it's lineup isn't there.fuzzysquash
People do complain about the Wii lineup. 1up for example, they do it all the time.
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#23 flazzle
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You have to realize it takes an average of 6 to 18 months to make games for consoles. (thats why its plagued with crappy ports) Companies didnt realize the Wii would take off like it should. They system is only 4 months old, and Nintendo takes their time with their own games. Paper Mario comes out next month. That should be killer
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#24 LBFanGirl
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[QUOTE="LBFanGirl"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

Zhengi



ummmmm no.


Problem is, the Wii is cute.
And like a cute girl, it can and does get away with everything.

lol...thats an unusual way of putting it.

Queue Wii vs PS3 commercial 

Oh wow!!...It all makes sense now. That's a pretty mean video though if your a PS3 fan lol But that was very amusing, thankz for showing ^_^.

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Understandably so, but it seems that people are more willing to give Wii the room and time to develop its roster, while they're saying the PS3 has failed already b/c it's lineup isn't there.fuzzysquash
Also, don't forget Virtual Console.
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#26 Ontain
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don't you expect more from a the previous market leader who told you they are the best thing since sliced bread, charges you the most and calls the price cheap?
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#27 CwlHeddwyn
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[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="deangallop"]

Sony $600

Wii $250

That's why...

People expect more.

fuzzysquash
Yup.

Understandably so, but it seems that people are more willing to give Wii the room and time to develop its roster, while they're saying the PS3 has failed already b/c it's lineup isn't there.

well to be fair considering that the PS3 had been in developement for so long etc - there was more than enough time to make games for the Ps3
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#28 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="deangallop"]

Sony $600

Wii $250

That's why...

People expect more.

fuzzysquash
Yup.

Understandably so, but it seems that people are more willing to give Wii the room and time to develop its roster, while they're saying the PS3 has failed already b/c it's lineup isn't there.

well it's also because no one thought the wii would do as well as it's doing. naturally that means devs haven't been working on it much. they've had much more resources pumped into the ps3.
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#29 buuzer0
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[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="deangallop"]

Sony $600

Wii $250

That's why...

People expect more.

Ontain
Yup.

Understandably so, but it seems that people are more willing to give Wii the room and time to develop its roster, while they're saying the PS3 has failed already b/c it's lineup isn't there.

well it's also because no one thought the wii would do as well as it's doing. naturally that means devs haven't been working on it much. they've had much more resources pumped into the ps3.

Yup. And when a system costs Five Hundred and Ninety Nine US Dollars, you expect a bit more from it than a system that costs less than half of that amount.
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Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

fuzzysquash

first, Nintendo did not promise the world, and didn't say that the next generation starts when they say so.

nintendo didn't say that people can work overtime or get a second job to get their system.

nintendo was honest when they said they are not competing with Microsoft and Sony when it comes to power.

nintendo actually delivered something different and enjoyable for many of its fans.

nintendo hasn't been arrogant like sony, so yes people will cut it some slack unlike sony who talks so much junk.

telling us rumble is last gen when they know its not, that GTA wasn't that important to them. come on man, Sony deserves everything that is happening to them.

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Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

foxhound_fox
I'll be kickin your ass in SSBB this year foxhound :P
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#32 sonic_spark
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

DireToad



ummmmm no.


Problem is, the Wii is cute.
And like a cute girl, it can and does get away with everything.

I agree with the cute girl, but not the analogy.

The fact is that if you head over to the Wii boards you'll find tons of criticism on the small library of third party crapola.  On the PS3 board you'll find the same. 

On the system wars board you'll only find 360vs.PS3... thats why.

But another reason is that Nintendo's lineup of GREAT games is coming, the majority being exclusives.  You cannot say the same for the PS3.

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Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

fuzzysquash
2 reasons 1. price 2. Sony is a higher standard. People expect more from Sony then Nintendo.
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The price The hype The sony clams The xbox1.5 comments when 360 is clearly a better box. the list goes on and on Sony deverse everything thats coming to them.
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#35 Cyberfairy
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Sony $600

Wii $250

That's why...

People expect more.

deangallop

 

In Sweden:

Sony $850

Wii $400 

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[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

LEGEND_C4A

first, Nintendo did not promise the world, and didn't say that the next generation starts when they say so.

nintendo didn't say that people can work overtime or get a second job to get their system.

nintendo was honest when they said they are not competing with Microsoft and Sony when it comes to power.

nintendo actually delivered something different and enjoyable for many of its fans.

nintendo hasn't been arrogant like sony, so yes people will cut it some slack unlike sony who talks so much junk.

telling us rumble is last gen when they know its not, that GTA wasn't that important to them. come on man, Sony deserves everything that is happening to them.

Agreed, Its seems that Sony has this whole God complex and Nintendo just goes about its business making its fans happy. Also, Zelda:TP and WW:SM blow away anything on PS3 IMO. and in GS opinion
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#37 Blackbond
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1) Everywhere else Zelda is a critically acclaimed game. So critics around the world view Zelda as a Killer App. Not so much for RFOM

 

2) PS3 graphics failed to graphically. These machine was supposed to blow the 360 out of the water.

 

3) The games play and look better on the 360. All multiplats are simply worse on PS3 then 360.

 

4) $600 compared to $250

 

5) Wii comes with a free game you can't criticize a free game.

 

6) Most of the good games on PS3 are also found on 360.

 

7) Its best games are not out, which leads to the waiting game. 

 

(Note I am refering to the outside world not GS System Wars)

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#38 foxhound_fox
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I'll be kickin your ass in SSBB this year foxhound :PShadow_op


We will see about that... we will see... :P
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#39 HeedleGlavin
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I know you're joking. :| There are plenty of Wii-bashing threads in SW - ESPECIALLY about its lineup and that fact that it's "teh gimmick".
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#40 Acenso
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[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

sonic_spark



ummmmm no.


Problem is, the Wii is cute.
And like a cute girl, it can and does get away with everything.

I agree with the cute girl, but not the analogy.

The fact is that if you head over to the Wii boards you'll find tons of criticism on the small library of third party crapola. On the PS3 board you'll find the same.

On the system wars board you'll only find 360vs.PS3... thats why.

But another reason is that Nintendo's lineup of GREAT games is coming, the majority being exclusives. You cannot say the same for the PS3.

The PS3 forums are finally over DMC4 multiplatform? That is what I find over there lol. Normally they are just trying to justify the fact they paid 600dollars. Pretty much its becomming a system wars just for cows.

Wii forums are more like the impatience kid waiting for some candy. They get some games here and there...but all SSBB, Metroid, Mario, etc.  

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The Wii launch line-up recieves a hefty amount of flak on this forum and in the gaming press, however the experience was new and even games such as Red Steel which would otherwise be banal were quite fun. The trouble with the PS3 is that there is very little diversity in the launch line-up.
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Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

fuzzysquash

You are wrong.  The price DOES play a big role in the perception of the game lineup.  The Wii is really cheap right now and so people are less likely to worry about not having a ton of AAA titles.  But if people are going to dish out $600 for the PS3, they want to be certain that money is worth it.  They define it through the games. 

As of right now, anyone buying the Wii has an okay amount of fun, playable games to hold them over until the more AAA titles show up.  HOwever, anyone buying the PS3 is going to have to face the fact that they passed by the cheaper Xbox 360, with way more titles and a decent amount of hit games, to buy the PS3 and wait for more to come out.

I have a Wii and while only Zelda and Trauma Center interested me (so I bought them) I am not worried I'll get my monies worth out of the system.  Mainly because the Wii with both those games was still cheaper than the 360 with no games (and before taxes).  The more a system costs, the more content it takes to seem worth your while.

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Because MS and Sony supporters really don't care about the Wii.  There is no game that the Wii will ever have that will make me envious and be a killer app in my mind.

The Wii is what it is and appeals to a niche in the gaming world.  The 360 and ps3 are two different beasts entirely and the competition between the two are pretty much the legs that this forum stands upon.

 

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#44 Hungry_Homer111
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1. PS3 = $600 and Wii = $250 2. PS3 is a lot more like the 360, and they are comparing those 2. Wii is its own kind of console. Very few people compare it to the 360/PS3. 3. Zelda...
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#45 HeedleGlavin
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Because MS and Sony supporters really don't care about the Wii.  There is no game that the Wii will ever have that will make me envious and be a killer app in my mind.

The Wii is what it is and appeals to a niche in the gaming world.  The 360 and ps3 are two different beasts entirely and the competition between the two are pretty much the legs that this forum stands upon.

 

lordseer
It appeals to a "niche"? Do you have any idea how wrong you are? If ANYTHING appeals to a niche - it's the PS3, with its high pricetag and Blu-ray player.
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#46 inerte
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[QUOTE="inerte"]Because of the PS2 shadow.fuzzysquash
But the PS2 didn't launch with a killer roster of titles :? It too took months and years to develop a great lineup

I didn't mean to compare the launches. I mean to say that the PS3 is the follower of the wildly succesful PS2, but it's not demonstrating this.
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#47 rykaziel
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Because the Wii isn't geared toward gamers. They don't care about AAA or AA games coming out every month, they're happy just to have an excuse to keep themselves occupied for a bit.
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#48 lordseer
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Because MS and Sony supporters really don't care about the Wii.  There is no game that the Wii will ever have that will make me envious and be a killer app in my mind.

The Wii is what it is and appeals to a niche in the gaming world.  The 360 and ps3 are two different beasts entirely and the competition between the two are pretty much the legs that this forum stands upon.

 

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It appeals to a "niche"? Do you have any idea how wrong you are? If ANYTHING appeals to a niche - it's the PS3, with its high pricetag and Blu-ray player.

I am talking about a niche in gaming not a niche in the general public.  Most gamers want the biggest, newest, and best, and that isn't something you are going to find on the Wii.  It does do well with people that in my mind don't really fit the definition of a "gamer".

In the same turn I am not saying that a lot of gamers don't own a Wii, such as yourself.  It's just that the Wii has accomplished exactly what Nintendo said it was going to do in pulling in non gamers and staying out of competition with the 360 and ps3.

The Wii could outsell the 360 and ps3 combined and no one but nintendo fans will care.  The arguments will still rage back and forth between MS and sony loyalists.

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Warioware Twilight Princess Wii Sports Sonic And The Secret Rings SSX Blur Wii Play Trauma Center Does that answer your question?
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#50 lordseer
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Warioware Twilight Princess Wii Sports Sonic And The Secret Rings SSX Blur Wii Play Trauma Center Does that answer your question?OhhSnap50893

Honestly I would take Resistance and Motostorm over every game you have listed there.  The Wii just doesn't excite. 

I never thought I would say it but TP turned out to be somewhat of a bore.  Good game but dated visuals, prehistoric gameplay, and horrible AI take away from the game that TP could have been.