Why is there massive criticism of PS3's lineup but not the Wii's?

[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"][QUOTE="lordseer"]

Because MS and Sony supporters really don't care about the Wii.  There is no game that the Wii will ever have that will make me envious and be a killer app in my mind.

The Wii is what it is and appeals to a niche in the gaming world.  The 360 and ps3 are two different beasts entirely and the competition between the two are pretty much the legs that this forum stands upon.

 

lordseer

I am talking about a niche in gaming not a niche in the general public.  Most gamers want the biggest, newest, and best, and that isn't something you are going to find on the Wii.  It does do well with people that in my mind don't really fit the definition of a "gamer".

In the same turn I am not saying that a lot of gamers don't own a Wii, such as yourself.  It's just that the Wii has accomplished exactly what Nintendo said it was going to do in pulling in non gamers and staying out of competition with the 360 and ps3.

The Wii could outsell the 360 and ps3 combined and no one but nintendo fans will care.  The arguments will still rage back and forth between MS and sony loyalists.

[QUOTE="lordseer"][QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"][QUOTE="lordseer"]

Because MS and Sony supporters really don't care about the Wii.  There is no game that the Wii will ever have that will make me envious and be a killer app in my mind.

The Wii is what it is and appeals to a niche in the gaming world.  The 360 and ps3 are two different beasts entirely and the competition between the two are pretty much the legs that this forum stands upon.

 

HeedleGlavin

I am talking about a niche in gaming not a niche in the general public.  Most gamers want the biggest, newest, and best, and that isn't something you are going to find on the Wii.  It does do well with people that in my mind don't really fit the definition of a "gamer".

In the same turn I am not saying that a lot of gamers don't own a Wii, such as yourself.  It's just that the Wii has accomplished exactly what Nintendo said it was going to do in pulling in non gamers and staying out of competition with the 360 and ps3.

The Wii could outsell the 360 and ps3 combined and no one but nintendo fans will care.  The arguments will still rage back and forth between MS and sony loyalists.

We just won't agree.  You make your points well but we would just be making tired arguments if we continued to debate this.  I respect your opinion though.

I've been seeing an equal amount of criticism spread across both line-ups. It's just more intense when the PS3 is involved cause  Trows (Troll-Cows, the people who take the PS3, and all conosles for that matter, way too seriously.) on this forum fight tooth and nail to convince people PS3 is God. While sheep are just like "Whatever, I don't have to explain myself to you people."

I don't think I've ever seen a Treep.

[QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]Warioware Twilight Princess Wii Sports Sonic And The Secret Rings SSX Blur Wii Play Trauma Center Does that answer your question?lordseer

I never thought I would say it but TP turned out to be somewhat of a bore.  Good game but dated visuals, prehistoric gameplay, and horrible AI take away from the game that TP could have been.

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Thats because TP was a port from the GC, you can't expect Nintendo to update that game 100% from GC owners in which they have been waiting patiently for the GC version to come out for a long time. The only differnce is that the Wii version works with the Nunchuck and it runs on progressive scan with 16x9. Maybe the next Zelda on the Wii will look more up to date than what you see

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

fuzzysquash

Because the PS2 had it, and the ps3 lost it... where as teh GC didn't have it, and wii has gained it?

No im talking about the perception... the perception is that the PS3 lost all it's 3rd party support, and it's huge strangle hold... That may not be the case but that's how it looks to people... and that's all that matters.  

We just won't agree.  You make your points well but we would just be making tired arguments if we continued to debate this.  I respect your opinion though.lordseer

[QUOTE="lordseer"]

[QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]Warioware Twilight Princess Wii Sports Sonic And The Secret Rings SSX Blur Wii Play Trauma Center Does that answer your question?FireEmblem_Man

I never thought I would say it but TP turned out to be somewhat of a bore.  Good game but dated visuals, prehistoric gameplay, and horrible AI take away from the game that TP could have been.

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Thats because TP was a port from the GC, you can't expect Nintendo to update that game 100% from GC owners in which they have been waiting patiently for the GC version to come out for a long time. The only differnce is that the Wii version works with the Nunchuck and it runs on progressive scan with 16x9. Maybe the next Zelda on the Wii will look more up to date than what you see

Yeah.  You're right.  Mario galaxy does seem to shine.  I probably shouldn't have been quite as harsh in my criticisms.  It's just that I was excited for TP and I'd be lying if I said it didn't dissapoint me a bit.  If it had released a year before the 360 it would probably be viewed as one of the best games around, maybe of all last gen.

I am talking about a niche in gaming not a niche in the general public. Most gamers want the biggest, newest, and best, and that isn't something you are going to find on the Wii. It does do well with people that in my mind don't really fit the definition of a "gamer".

lordseer

You know Fuzzy, I was all set to agree with you when I saw the thread title, but then I clicked on the thread and saw this.

Sony $600

Wii $250

That's why...

People expect more.

deangallop

And that made a hell of a lot of sense. People do expect more from the PS3, considering the initial investment. The Wii's launch lineup, in a word, sucked. Without LOZ TP, it simply cannot stand on its own because very few of the games have any depth whatsoever. The PS3 has almsot the exact same problem because at launch, Resistance was the only stand out title. But when you consider you just paid half of what you would've for a PS3, the sting isn't as harsh.

[QUOTE="Shadow_op"]I'll be kickin your ass in SSBB this year foxhound :Pfoxhound_fox

I'll whip both of you at once. :D

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

fuzzysquash

Because Nintendo didnt state "Next gen starts when we say so." You say some **** like that then you better be able to back it up and frankly Sony is not.   

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

Tamarind_Face

Just waiting for those great games to be released right?  :shock: 

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

Magical_Zebra

Just waiting for those great games to be released right? :shock:

PS3 has VF5, Oblivion, Motorstorm, RFOM, Nba Homecourt, and tons of multiplats that Wii doesnt have.

 In this generation, there will be less 3rd party exclusives. So 3rd party multiplats are very important but the Wii will not get 95% of these multiplat. Making the Wii's library smaller. RIght now what does Wii have?

because SW is full of kids Nintendo fanboys, and ppl who buy the ps3 have to go work and dont have time ti post in forums.xBALOx

Wow......just wow...........    :shock: 

because SW is full of kids Nintendo fanboys, and ppl who buy the ps3 have to go work and dont have time ti post in forums.xBALOx

Actually most people who have a PS3 just sold their kids so they don't have to go to work. 

[QUOTE="inerte"]Because of the PS2 shadow.fuzzysquash

Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

fuzzysquash

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

TrueReligion_

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

LEGEND_C4A

first, Nintendo did not promise the world, and didn't say that the next generation starts when they say so.

nintendo didn't say that people can work overtime or get a second job to get their system.

nintendo was honest when they said they are not competing with Microsoft and Sony when it comes to power.

nintendo actually delivered something different and enjoyable for many of its fans.

nintendo hasn't been arrogant like sony, so yes people will cut it some slack unlike sony who talks so much junk.

telling us rumble is last gen when they know its not, that GTA wasn't that important to them. come on man, Sony deserves everything that is happening to them.

Pretty much everything he said.  "Next Gen doesn't start until we say it does", "4-D gaming", "teh power of teh Cell", and other statements made by Sony, along with a $600 price tag, lead to very high expectations from the gaming public.  Thus, harsher criticism when you don't deliver.

Nintendo hasn't promised anything when it comes to graphics or computing power.  Thus, when the games look like crap, you really can't get on Nintendo since graphics was not a focus of the Wii.  You can get on the developers for being lazy and not trying to push the system, but not really on Nintendo.  They have basically delivered on what they promised (different gameplay using the Wiimote).

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Problem: Wii does have a pretty big roster of great games.

HeedleGlavin

The PS3 has one game worth getting right now IMO, maybe two if you've not already played ESIV:O...

IMO there are 3 or 4 games worth playing right now on the Wii,  Tramua Center, Wario Ware, Zelda, and maybe Rayman... and a few others that I view as maybes... like Elebits, Red Steel.. (Just to see how bad it is), and it's VC stuff. 

because devs are afraid to create original IPs on the ps3 but not the wii maybe

look at 2007... 3 exclusive 3rd party games on the ps3... no original IPs

unless ... you people like your third parties just creating games with franchises or licenses attached...

Both consoles are at an early stage in their lifetimes, which means that their portfolios are understandably light on top-quality games.

I understand that Wii offers innovation and sells for a much lower price, but those qualities are separate from the factor of its current games library.

So why is it that people are much more sympathetic to the Wii's not having a big roster of great games, but harshly critical of the same deficiency for the PS3?

fuzzysquash

You know Fuzzy, I was all set to agree with you when I saw the thread title, but then I clicked on the thread and saw this.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

Sony $600

Wii $250

That's why...

People expect more.

The_Game21x

And that made a hell of a lot of sense. People do expect more from the PS3, considering the initial investment. The Wii's launch lineup, in a word, sucked. Without LOZ TP, it simply cannot stand on its own because very few of the games have any depth whatsoever. The PS3 has almsot the exact same problem because at launch, Resistance was the only stand out title. But when you consider you just paid half of what you would've for a PS3, the sting isn't as harsh.

[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="deangallop"]

Sony $600

Wii $250

That's why...

People expect more.

fuzzysquash

I think the industry doesn't give the ps3 any credit for having good games because they are all manticores that only see Resistance and Motorstorm exclusively and they forget about the rest and they probably just spent money on the Wii , Zelda , and a bunch of controllers because it was easier to swallow financially for them. 

So far at this point , there are plenty of games to start out with for cows to enjoy. More than the Wii right now imo.

Wii has its number of criticisms here as well. Do you not see the daily drought threads?bc1391