Why isn't mouse/keyboard compatability a standard feature in console shooters?

Wouldn't it be a simple way to make games more enjoyable for those willing to fork out the extra bucks? Or am I missing something?

Of course I speak striclty of SP FPS games or just the SP modes in games that also feature MP.

Never had problems with dual sticks tbh.GreenGoblin2099

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Never had problems with dual sticks tbh.di_sgt_barber

If you're used to it, yes it is... if not, no.

It would give those using the M+KB a massive advantage online.foxhound_fox

Are there any PS3 games that are compatible with the Keyboard and Mouse? I want to own some noobs online. =)DeathScape666

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Never had problems with dual sticks tbh.GreenGoblin2099

If you're used to it, yes it is... if not, no.

Some people just prefer the controller.

Consoles are made to be played in the living room on the couch not practical with M&K.

To have a fair and competitive arena you need to have standardized methods of play.

To which every you prefer they're a sytems that supports what you want. Why not just play on the PC if you prefer M&K?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It would give those using the M+KB a massive advantage online.di_sgt_barber

Are there any PS3 games that are compatible with the Keyboard and Mouse? I want to own some noobs online. =)DeathScape666

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"] A mouse is a lot easier to use. di_sgt_barber

If you're used to it, yes it is... if not, no.

Well, I used to play a lot of Quake II and Counter Strike back in the day when they were big, and tbh I wasn't too good with m/kb, so you can say I suck with them.

I read it, but I still want to know if there are online games compatible with the Keyboard and Mouse. I doubt a game only lets you use it for the single player.DeathScape666

Some people just prefer the controller.

Consoles are made to be played in the living room on the couch not practical with M&K.

To have a fair and competitive arena you need to have standardized methods of play.

To which every you prefer they're a sytems that supports what you want. Why not just play on the PC if you prefer M&K?

VirtuaCast

Consolites are like this "if it ain't a feature of the console then it sucks" or have a wrong cliche idea like "i like to play on my couch, its impossible with the mouse"

So as long as consoles are limited to gamepads to play games, K/M is useless or worse compared to gamepads. Another example will be mods, consolites are like "they are just gimmicks" or "i prefer to leave games to the pros", but then LBP is released and atleast the cows change and say "user made content is the best idea ever, its so revolutionary". So we hermits end like this :roll:.

Consolites are like this "if it ain't a feature of the console then it sucks" or have a wrong cliche idea like "i like to play on my couch, its impossible with the mouse"

So as long as consoles are limited to gamepads to play games, K/M is useless or worse compared to gamepads. Another example will be mods, consolites are like "they are just gimmicks" or "i prefer to leave games to the pros", but then LBP is released and atleast the cows change and say "user made content is the best idea ever, its so revolutionary". So we hermits end like this :roll:.

glez13

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] [QUOTE="DeathScape666"]Are there any PS3 games that are compatible with the Keyboard and Mouse? I want to own some noobs online. =)DeathScape666

UT3 for the ps3 supports it

Consolites are like this "if it ain't a feature of the console then it sucks" or have a wrong cliche idea like "i like to play on my couch, its impossible with the mouse"

So as long as consoles are limited to gamepads to play games, K/M is useless or worse compared to gamepads. Another example will be mods, consolites are like "they are just gimmicks" or "i prefer to leave games to the pros", but then LBP is released and atleast the cows change and say "user made content is the best idea ever, its so revolutionary". So we hermits end like this :roll:.

glez13

I am no consolite I could care less what hermits think. I prefer the controller for most shooters it's the truth it's how I feel. They are pro's who compete that use controllers aswell. I never said M&K was impossible on the couch all I said it wasn't pratical. I own a gaming PC too and fail to see why people get so mad over something as simple as preference. I like mods thats why I have a PC aswell.

Are there any PS3 games that are compatible with the Keyboard and Mouse? I want to own some noobs online. =)DeathScape666

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=2587209

Fork over $80-100 bucks and you can have your mouse & keyboard.

I hate controllers. If a mouse and keyboard was a viable option, I would probably own consoles.

Because it defeats the purpose of consoles. The next step after having mouse and keyboard is hooking it up to a computer monitor and playing in front of it on a desktop. Once you reach that point, there is absolutely no sensible reason why you are playing a console instead of a PC.LordQuorthon

because the wiimote/controllers are better? Eyezonmii

1. Not everyone feel comfortable with a M/KB 2. It defeats the purpose of console gameing 3. How would I play wii sports or wii fit with a M/KB :?Gh0st_Of_0nyx

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=2587209

Fork over $80-100 bucks and you can have your mouse & keyboard.

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]because the wiimote/controllers are better? di_sgt_barber

1. Not everyone feel comfortable with a M/KB 2. It defeats the purpose of console gameing 3. How would I play wii sports or wii fit with a M/KB :?Gh0st_Of_0nyx

this is a response to barber...

KB&M would be like cheating.

Consoles shooters are tailored with the controller in mind. Playing a PC game with a controller would be slow and sluggish because it was built with the KB&M in mind. The opposite effect happens with console shooters. Playing a Consoel shooter with a KB&M would be fast and accurate giving the player an unfair advantage.

KB&M would be like cheating.

Consoles shooters are tailored with the controller in mind. Playing a PC game with a controller would be slow and sluggish because it was built with the KB&M in mind. The opposite effect happens with console shooters. Playing a Consoel shooter with a KB&M would be fast and accurate giving the player an unfair advantage.

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]because the wiimote/controllers are better? Eyezonmii

1. Not everyone feel comfortable with a M/KB 2. It defeats the purpose of console gameing 3. How would I play wii sports or wii fit with a M/KB :?Gh0st_Of_0nyx

My question TC is why does it matter ? If you want Kb/M support then play on a PC exclusive console FPS are made from the ground up for controllers why would developers waste time in implementing a feature that there game dosent need ?Gh0st_Of_0nyx

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

KB&M would be like cheating.

Consoles shooters are tailored with the controller in mind. Playing a PC game with a controller would be slow and sluggish because it was built with the KB&M in mind. The opposite effect happens with console shooters. Playing a Consoel shooter with a KB&M would be fast and accurate giving the player an unfair advantage.

di_sgt_barber

You just explained it. Theres a noticeable difference in performance and controls.

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]My question TC is why does it matter ? If you want Kb/M support then play on a PC exclusive console FPS are made from the ground up for controllers why would developers waste time in implementing a feature that there game dosent need ?di_sgt_barber

There is system for you that fully supports M&K why not embrace it?

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"] So you now you agree with me, but you're defending the Wii anyway? Given your avatar, I'm not suprised.[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"][QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

KB&M would be like cheating.

Consoles shooters are tailored with the controller in mind. Playing a PC game with a controller would be slow and sluggish because it was built with the KB&M in mind. The opposite effect happens with console shooters. Playing a Consoel shooter with a KB&M would be fast and accurate giving the player an unfair advantage.

You just explained it. Theres a noticeable difference in performance and controls.

[QUOTE="di_sgt_barber"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]My question TC is why does it matter ? If you want Kb/M support then play on a PC exclusive console FPS are made from the ground up for controllers why would developers waste time in implementing a feature that there game dosent need ?VirtuaCast

There is system for you that fully supports M&K why not embrace it?

It would give those using the M+KB a massive advantage online.foxhound_fox

People that use Arcade Sticks over 360 pads for fighters have an advantage and they let us use it though. Why not M/KB?

1. Not everyone feel comfortable with a M/KB 2. It defeats the purpose of console gameing 3. How would I play wii sports or wii fit with a M/KB :?Gh0st_Of_0nyx

1. But some do feel comfortable with mouse so you should make it an option
2. Installs and patches defeat the purpose of console gaming but they exist
3. Wii sports is designed for the wiimote not the mouse.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It would give those using the M+KB a massive advantage online.Blackbond

People that use Arcade Sticks over 360 pads for fighters have an advantage and they let us use it though. Why not M/KB?

Not really. The difference between KB/b and Analog are like night and day when it comes to FPS. D-pad and Arcade sticks is not a wide gap (if you want a wide gap, D-pad vs Keyboard in fighting games).

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It would give those using the M+KB a massive advantage online.nitekids2004

People that use Arcade Sticks over 360 pads for fighters have an advantage and they let us use it though. Why not M/KB?

Not really. The difference between KB/b and Analog are like night and day when it comes to FPS. D-pad and Arcade sticks is not a wide gap (if you want a wide gap, D-pad vs Keyboard in fighting games).

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]It would give those using the M+KB a massive advantage online.nitekids2004

People that use Arcade Sticks over 360 pads for fighters have an advantage and they let us use it though. Why not M/KB?

Not really. The difference between KB/b and Analog are like night and day when it comes to FPS. D-pad and Arcade sticks is not a wide gap (if you want a wide gap, D-pad vs Keyboard in fighting games).

If you think there isn't a wide gap between 360 D-Pad and an Arcade Stick then I don't know what to tell you. There are huge differences between different types of D-Pads and Different types of Arcade Sticks. Thus there is also a difference between D-Pads and Arcade Sticks.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

People that use Arcade Sticks over 360 pads for fighters have an advantage and they let us use it though. Why not M/KB?

di_sgt_barber

Not really. The difference between KB/b and Analog are like night and day when it comes to FPS. D-pad and Arcade sticks is not a wide gap (if you want a wide gap, D-pad vs Keyboard in fighting games).

I already addressed your first post in my first post in this thread. Kb/M is not the way for consoles. Ai computer themselves have a given reaction time when to attack you (slower than PC's since analog is slower). Unless the devs are gonna do a KB/M mode and a Controller Mode for SP, it won't work out. Its either gonna be too hard or too easy.

Why do I play a console game? To play a relaxing experiance (except when im getting owned in CoD WaW).

Lets consider the basics here. At the PC your sitting upright and focused on the screen only a few feet infront of your face usually plugged into headphones blocking out the rest of the world, or in my case having a close 5.1 surround sound system. On a console you are sitting much farther back, sitting in either a more upright position or a bit more relaxed, depending on how your personal style it.

The mouse and keyboard on a console makes no sense. On a PC it gives you that instant control (hense why PC game need to be at 60 FPS for players to not notice any stutter while moving the camera in the game) that the controller just doesn't have. It gives you more buttons to play around with, and more ability to read through menus easily. This is great when your 2 feet from the screen.

Now think of that on a decent gaming setup. Your usually 10-15 feet from the TV. First of all your attention isn't going to be nearly as tight as you have much more in your line of sight. Next the sound isn't directly in your head or really close to your ears. Third your not sitting at a desk where a keyboard and mouse can be placed, placing the keyboard on your lap and putting yoru mouse on a end table next to you chair doesnt work (try it once), and whos going to move a desk infront of their TV? So now you have a defeant problem.

Now lets look at the actual gameplay. On a console, the setting isn't as intense. Its more relaxed, even if the game is extremely intense. The gameplay is, and I use this word lightly, slower. This accomidates how your positioned. The screen isn't straight infront of your face, your not hunched over a keyboard with all of your attention focused on the screen. Even if you are completely focused on the game, its just not right in your face. So now its slower.

If you change the controls to a mouse and keyboard, it changes. The relaxing, and often cinimatic experiance gets ruined by it being to fast paced and intense. You are just clicking and clicking and moving as fast as possible. The game becomse different. For those who don't play PC games then swithch console games often, you probably don't know how it changes.

Then you have to take another factor in, framerate. You need to try to hit 60fps. At 30 FPS, you notice a lot of slowdown when moving the camera fast. With the console its a lot smoother.

It just isn't right