Why Microsoft is screwed next gen

1. You DON'T OWN either console, how can you say one is "WAY" worse. I love how the X1 is "way" worse than the PS4, but yet the PS4 Pro isn't "way" worse than the X1X

2. The Kinect causing the Xbox to be 100 dollars more mattered more than any power delta between the two. If you're going to be more expensive you have to be much more powerful, not the same or worse. This is what killed the X1 at the start

3. We have reached a point that the performance differences between the best and the worst are typically minimal at best.

4. They do, and they don't. The exclusive library was minimal in the first year, yet the PS4 was killing the X1. If exclusives are so important how can that be? Usually, one console gets the early lead which leads to it being a more desirable platform for devs, which leads to it getting more exclusives, which leads to better sales, which leads to more dev support, which leads to better sales. In this market, the system that gets off to the better start tends to finish first.

@brah4ever: That was true last gen. So... no.

Exclusives + Multiplats matter. (Get this through your head)

Problem for MS is they rely only on multiplats that both the PC and PS4 share with them.

I've never said exclusives are the only thing that matter, GTFO.

Good for you that you own an X but you're probably less than 1% of the console gamers out there. Most people still own a regular PS4, Xbone or Switch. There are also people like me that own a PC more powerful than both the X and Pro and you don't see me saying multiplats are all that matter because I get the best version of them. You lems need to get your head out of your butts and realize that in order for your console to be successful it needs to be well balanced. The 360 was successful because MS balanced multiplats with exclusives at an affordable price with clear messaging. Xbone is failing because MS messed up the messaging, screwed up the price, and forgot about exclusives after one year. The reason it's not making any sort of comeback this gen is because you clowns refuse to face this reality and ask for MS to get their shit together.

Hyping multiplats alone on your platform is detrimental to it. 5 years in and people still struggle to come up with a game worth a damn for Xbox when they are doing list wars, it's an embarrassment and the total opposite of the 360.

@sts106mat: Nice admittance of defeat. You have no comeback ?

Oh look. The Sony fanny essay writing competition.

1-lol Kingtito alt or Ip_crybaby alt.

Yes i do own one lemming.

2-Bullshit by late February 2014 just 3 months after launch,MS was already pre selling the xbox one with Kinect and Titanfall for $449 in fact it was more expensive to get a PS4 with Infamous in March 2014 than an xbox one kinect included with titanfall.

By june 2014 both were $399 same price just 7 months after launch.

And by Holiday 2014 the xbox was been sold for as low as $349 with ACU and ACBF bundle and a free $50 dollar gift card.

3-They were even more marginal last gen and lemmings cared.

4-Yeah the PS would always kill the xbox at same price or little higher,that is because the PS brand is bigger,the xbox best shot was the 360 and that include millions of re-buy units,and it took sony to launch at $600 and 1 year late so that MS could make some splash.

Not even on sony's worse effort they won the war.

The exclusive list of the xbox was also minimal and shitty,Forza 5 scored 79% in meta an all time low for the series,and the best score game on launch between both was Resogun an indie on PS4 that sad the xbox one line was as well,the real difference is the PS4 changed its luck,while the xbox one still has dirt.

Hell the PS4 just got Dragon quest with 88%,Yakuza with 85% and Spiderman with 87% in a matter of weeks,how is the xbox land?

@tormentos said:

@Steppy_76 said:

1. You DON'T OWN either console, how can you say one is "WAY" worse. I love how the X1 is "way" worse than the PS4, but yet the PS4 Pro isn't "way" worse than the X1X

2. The Kinect causing the Xbox to be 100 dollars more mattered more than any power delta between the two. If you're going to be more expensive you have to be much more powerful, not the same or worse. This is what killed the X1 at the start

3. We have reached a point that the performance differences between the best and the worst are typically minimal at best.

4. They do, and they don't. The exclusive library was minimal in the first year, yet the PS4 was killing the X1. If exclusives are so important how can that be? Usually, one console gets the early lead which leads to it being a more desirable platform for devs, which leads to it getting more exclusives, which leads to better sales, which leads to more dev support, which leads to better sales. In this market, the system that gets off to the better start tends to finish first.

1-lol Kingtito alt or Ip_crybaby alt.

Yes i do own one lemming.

2-Bullshit by late February 2014 just 3 months after launch,MS was already pre selling the xbox one with Kinect and Titanfall for $449 in fact it was more expensive to get a PS4 with Infamous in March 2014 than an xbox one kinect included with titanfall.

By june 2014 both were $399 same price just 7 months after launch.

And by Holiday 2014 the xbox was been sold for as low as $349 with ACU and ACBF bundle and a free $50 dollar gift card.

3-They were even more marginal last gen and lemmings cared.

4-Yeah the PS would always kill the xbox at same price or little higher,that is because the PS brand is bigger,the xbox best shot was the 360 and that include millions of re-buy units,and it took sony to launch at $600 and 1 year late so that MS could make some splash.

Not even on sony's worse effort they won the war.

The exclusive list of the xbox was also minimal and shitty,Forza 5 scored 79% in meta an all time low for the series,and the best score game on launch between both was Resogun an indie on PS4 that sad the xbox one line was as well,the real difference is the PS4 changed its luck,while the xbox one still has dirt.

Hell the PS4 just got Dragon quest with 88%,Yakuza with 85% and Spiderman with 87% in a matter of weeks,how is the xbox land?

? Comletely destroyed. I wonder how they’ll deflect now that you‘ve shown them your PS4 lol.

@sts106mat: blah blah blah, you’ve got nothing. NEXT! ?

1-Just like we don't care what you have fact is no one need it a Pro to beat the xbox,you need it $500 extra to do so,it only cost you $1,000 in dollars or more to get a superior version,when the PS4 for $100 less was delivering that.

2-Yes i know you had to pay EXTRA for it,i would just have go PC and save the pain.

3-Oh Performance is important just not enough to not get a console over another,specially if there is basically no exclusives that at least justify expending the extra money,what you witness of the start of this gen was REVENGE.

Remember all those thread about superior 360 and xbox performance yeah that came back to hunt lemmings such as yourself,who didn't know what to do faced with the reality that you had inferior hardware,and instead of admitting defeat just reduce your self to play blind to the differences between version,when last gen a big deal over RDR and GTA 4 were made because the PS3 version was 640p and the xbox 360 version 720p,this gen it was ok to have gaps as big as 720p vs 1080p.

No and unlike you i am not here denying the advantage or putting my hopes on mighty clouds or mystical API such as DX12 as something that will bring the Pro ahead of the XBO X again the PS4 release 1 week before the XBO and was 50% more powerful for $100 less,the xbox one X is 1 year newer for $100 more.

And for 4 years you didn't care not only about performance but about the shitty games that never stopped coming,like Ryse..lol

4-They do and sites have slam MS for the lack of them,if exclusives don't matter why isn't Mario on xbox or Halo on PS?

Do you know What sell consoles...Marketing...Everything else is inferior to that...Wii U got rekt by it.Genesis got sold by it. Xbox had terrible marketing at the start.Exclusives help marketing of course and thats why they are important, people that play and like it kind of create a bound with the platform and help with marketing telling friends that the console is good.

Thats so true that Microsoft sent a lot of XOX to popular youtubers in my country and ,after a time, a survey was made.It was discovered that the XBox one X was in more houses than the Pro, without a single killer-app(outside of Forza)

This post is based on wishful thinking and blind fanboysm.

1-MS bought a few OK studios that will probably not deliver games until 2021 the soonest.

And to make it worse you probably won't need an xbox to play them,since MS new strategy is also releasing its exclusives on PC,making a dent on the xbox it self.

Neutralizing sony is not as easy as you think it is,if the PS3 would have been $400 on 2006 the story would have been very different,it was sony who neutralized it self,but i don't think that would happen again.

2-What make you think that sony will not have enough money to keep head to head or even in front of MS,sony has now as many + users as MS has xbox one sold.

They are making a fortune with the PS4 even more now,they make money from games and services as well.

3-My god the xbox one X is more powerful than the Pro and no one cares,MS releases mean little when what they had been delivering is garbage.Not even Halo is relevant any more,look at the top playing games on xbox even warframe which was on PS4 since launch,on xbox has more players than Halo gears and many other release for the xbox this year like SOT.

You even invented a price hike..lol

Some of you are totally delusional.

Lems saying MS is preparing for next gen... Sony didn't need to prepare for next gen on the PS3 era, it fought with what it knew was good: games.

Probably like the gaps between the PS4 and xbox they pretend to not see them..hahahahaa

Last I checked gens are dead. :)

^ This is spot on. I think the only way to address this is through some sort of cross ecosystem publishing / ownership network, which is going to be a nightmare to create, maintain etc.

@Pedro: sure, you got any proof?

PS4 Pro. :)

@Pedro: this is not evidence, sony didn't say they aren't releasing a next gen comsole lol

Let me put it in a way you can comprehend. Sony and Microsoft CANNOT release a system that is a generational leap. CANNOT. The next system would be in the same vein as the Pro and X. That's the reality.

@Pedro: there's no need for a "generational leap" (whatever that means), as long as ps5/Xbox scarlet games don't run on PS4/X1, it'll be a new generation of consoles.

? What a clown!

The Ryzen CPUs alone would put the PS5 and NextBox light years ahead of the garbage CPUs found in the X and Pro. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, sit down and leave the hardware talk to people that are smarter than you Clown Pedro.

@quadknight: pedro believes it takes a massive improvement in graphics for a new generation to happen, he still didn't understand that it's all about if the games are playable on the next platform or not. Ps5 and Xbox scarlet games won't run on PS4/X1, so it's obvious that they'll be a new generation of consoles.

But I get what this is, it's Pedro with his sad agenda wanting everything to be multiplat and wishing he could play a game from 2025 on his x1s...

His argument makes no sense.

GC and Wii are games from different generations despite having almost no graphical difference between them.

Sheesh, Pedro doesn't understand how the industry works

@recloud: The guy is an idiot. He truly believes Phil Spencer’s “no one left behind!” bullshit from E3 2016.

New consoles will get new AMD CPUs and GPUs that outperform what’s in the Pro and X, and new games will be designed around them. It’s an inevitable fact. We are already seeing some devs struggle with the garbage CPUs and memory limitations of the Pro and X. Sony will make a PS5 to meet the devs’ needs and MS will be forced to follow through. The losers (MS) don’t get to decide which way the industry moves, it’s the winners (Sony) that do.

No dev will want to be anchored down by the ancient tech in the OG Xbone and PS4 in 2021 because MS wants to be “pro consumer”. The industry will move on to the next new tech. Pedro is a delusional clown.

Then your ignorance in computing is confirmed. :)

You lack the understanding that nothing being offered on the up coming systems would be out of the scope of the current gen.

The hard reality is that PS4 and Xbox are just PCs and if you had any understanding of PC you wouldn't be so shocked by such a simple concept. :)

Says the clown that bought a $500 console in 2017 thinking it would outperform high-end PCs ?.

@Pedro: pedro, you proved several times you lack the knowledge of marketing and business strategies. You now proved you lack knowledge of compute hardware and that you don't understand the industry.

As of now, I'm not talking about these matters with you anymore, since you're uneducated in this regard and it'd be like talking to a stone.

Go back to trolling, it's the thing you know how to do (badly).

Anyway, I'm out.

Don't be upset that generations are dead. Its not my fault you don't understand how hardware works. :)

@Pedro: ”Generations are dead!”

Coming from the same idiots that announced a new Xbox Scarlett at E3 2018.

? You can’t make up this level of idiocy.

@Pedro: see, you're good at trolling, but I'm not falling for that, keep at it and have a good night.

Conceding when you are wrong is a good practice. Good job conceding. :)

Says the person that thinks the inclusion of Ryzen would offer performance "light years ahead of current gen"

@Pedro said:

@quadknight said:

@Pedro: ”Generations are dead!”

Coming from the same idiots that announced a new Xbox Scarlett at E3 2018.

? You can’t make up this level of idiocy.

Says the person that thinks the inclusion of Ryzen would offer performance "light years ahead of current gen"

I see figure of speeches are new to you. Not surprising considering you’re a low IQ lem ?.

? Ryzen CPUs are several gens ahead of the shitty Jaguars we have now in the X and Pro, you don’t know this because you’re a dumb lem that has no access to PC gaming.

Low IQ is thinking that the next batch of consoles would offer a generational leap. Ooops! I forgot that you wouldn't understand. ?

@quadknight: coming from a guy that believes Nintendo is going third party because of Nvidia shell and mobile games, are you really surprised?

Welcome back.

Read my edited post above, you're a complete idiot when it comes to tech. ? Stop trying to act like you know what you’re talking about. You’re the same idiot that believed the X would be going toe to toe with a PC with a GTX 1070/1080/1080 Ti. You, ron, and all the other dumbasses were running around spewing your misinformation for a year until the X launched and you clowns were owned lol.

Nope, what a moron ?

When all else fails you make shit up that was never said then avoid the thread like it never happened. LMAO.

@quadknight: yes, he truly sad that.

He also believes Microsoft is Benevolent because of play anywhere. I mostly ignore him now because it's better, all he does is troll without any meaningful argument.

I actually think he doesn't own any gaming platform, since he never talk about the games, all he does is trolling over and over.

@Pedro said:

@quadknight said:

Read my edited post above, you're a complete idiot when it comes to tech. ? Stop trying to act like you know what you’re talking about. You’re the same idiot that believed the X would be going toe to toe with a PC with a GTX 1070/1080/1080 Ti. You, ron, and all the other dumbasses where running around spewing your misinformation for a year until the X launched and you clowns were owned lol.

When all else fails you make shit up that was never said then avoid the thread like it never happened. LMAO.

You’re trying to deny you did hype the X being as powerful as a high end PC? ? Wow, what a clown. I wish @tormentos would post in here to own you. I’m sure he has some choice quotes from you. I can’t be bothered to comb through your posting history but I’m pretty sure you hyped there FlopBone X like your other dumbass lem brethren.

Says he/she is leaving the thread but my trolling is so powerful that he still here.

@Pedro said:

Says he/she is leaving the thread but my trolling is so powerful that he still here.

You’re a failed troll ?

Yet you are still here and responding.

@tormentos: Bro did you even read my post fully. I admit all of what MS has done is good for nothing unless they pump out good games, it’s more so implied. MS has way more money than Sony but nowhere near as much creativity. But it is funny that you think Sony has money to keep up with MS, MS brings in more revenue than Sony’s actually worth.

@slimdogmilionar: the Xbox division does not bring more revenue than the PlayStation division. this board doesn't concern the companies as a whole.

Oh no! That line is going to trigger somebody. Ooops! Too late.

@recloud: oohhh ok because everything that they’ve been doing of lately has been coming from Xbox profits alone, yet you cows love to say how the Xbox division has been nothing but a loss to MS. No matter how much revenue ps brings in it still won’t be enough you can pretend on these boards that MS does not support Xbox but Mojang, Playground, NT etc. were not bought with Xbox losses.

@slimdogmilionar: lol do you really believe that the Xbox brings more revenue than the windows and office products to M$?

Ps division is still bigger, more relevant, more well known, more reliable and more profitable than the dwarf Xbox division.

Xbox is a local, American brand, PlayStation is a worldwide brand, they're not on the same league.