Why Nintendo and Blizzard Entertainment are very similar

I see people bashing Nintendo retreating from the nostalgia argument and now using "it's the same damn game from the 80's and 90's" argument. They always want to cry and scream for BIG changes notably something that breaks the formula. I ask the question, why do you want that? what kind of formula breaking idea do you have that is truly beneficial in the eyes of a game designer? Have you heard of C&C4?

Why do you want the formula to be heavily changed in the first place? You want Zelda to become like an WRPG? Why don't you just play Skyrim or Mass Effect then? You want Mario to wield a gun instead of just jumping around, knocking off enemies, and getting power-ups? Why don't you just play MW3? You want Samus Aran to just kick ass and forget about the puzzles and isolation blah blah blah? Why don't you just play Halo?

Seriously, wanting Mario and Zelda to change is like wanting Starcraft to become like Dawn of War or wanting Diablo 3 to become like Skyrim. It is preposterous. Blizzard's games don't heavily change their formula. It is the polish and refinement of their formula that make their games truly great. Same goes for Nintendo. Blizzard makes changes similar to how Nintendo makes changes to their games.

I will anticipate the response "But Blizzard takes a very long time to release their games" which implies that the fault lies to Nintendo releasing their games too often but that is silly. Mario console platformers don't release that often especially Zelda console games. Handhelds on the other hand well i thought handhelds don't matter here in SW it only matters in Japan? Besides, PH and ST pay homage to WW a last gen game and SM3DL is very different from SMG and is more pick up and play style handheld focused game.

The point is people mostly outside from SW, enjoy Nintendo's games and create great experiences resulting to high sales. It would be stupid for Nintendo to stop or slow down releasing games to cater to SW majority getting tired of their franchises.

How many times are you going to make this argument?

How many times are you going to make this argument?

Ragnarok1051

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How many times are you going to make this argument?

lordlors

I like the TC. He's awesome.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

How many times are you going to make this argument?

Ragnarok1051

I like the TC. He's awesome.

mmmwksil

Sorry. Nintendo s a company that has ran out of ides when it comes to gameplay and are tech-retarded these days. I admit some of the Wii games are great. But compared to what is on other systems? I would play the games on the other system every time.

Sorry. Nintendo s a company that has ran out of ides when it comes to gameplay and are tech-retarded these days. I admit some of the Wii games are great. But compared to what is on other systems? I would play the games on the other system every time.

WarTornRuston

Care to mention any company with "Fresh" ideas when it comes to gameplay?

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I like the TC. He's awesome.

lordlors

Titles should always have some form of bait in them. That'll get the hits quick.

Good points TC.

Mario Galaxy is a good example of this. Completely pushing the platforming genre. And they keep pushing with clever gameplay design. Same thing can be said for Zelda. Some of those dungeons are amazing (e.g the last one with the rotating rooms).

I like the TC. He's awesome.

mmmwksil

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I like the TC. He's awesome.

BrunoBRS

I see people bashing Nintendo retreating from the nostalgia argument and now using "it's the same damn game from the 80's and 90's" argument. They always want to cry and scream for BIG changes notably something that breaks the formula. I ask the question, why do you want that? what kind of formula breaking idea do you have that is truly beneficial in the eyes of a game designer? Have you heard of C&C4?

Why do you want the formula to be heavily changed in the first place? You want Zelda to become like an WRPG? Why don't you just play Skyrim or Mass Effect then? You want Mario to wield a gun instead of just jumping around, knocking off enemies, and getting power-ups? Why don't you just play MW3? You want Samus Aran to just kick ass and forget about the puzzles and isolation blah blah blah? Why don't you just play Halo?

Seriously, wanting Mario and Zelda to change is like wanting Starcraft to become like Dawn of War or wanting Diablo 3 to become like Skyrim. It is preposterous. Blizzard's games don't heavily change their formula. It is the polish and refinement of their formula that make their games truly great. Same goes for Nintendo. Blizzard makes changes similar to how Nintendo makes changes to their games.

I will anticipate the response "But Blizzard takes a very long time to release their games" which implies that the fault lies to Nintendo releasing thier games too often but that is silly. Mario console platformers don't release that often especially Zelda console games. Handhelds on the other hand well i thought handhelds don't matter here in SW it only matters in Japan? Besides, PH and ST pay homage to WW a last gen game and SM3DL is very different from SMG and is more pick up and play style handheld focused game.

The point is people mostly outside from SW, enjoy Nintendo's games and create great experiences resulting to high sales. It would be stupid for Nintendo to stop or slow down releasing games to cater to SW majority getting tired of their franchises.

lordlors

[QUOTE="WarTornRuston"]

Sorry. Nintendo s a company that has ran out of ides when it comes to gameplay and are tech-retarded these days. I admit some of the Wii games are great. But compared to what is on other systems? I would play the games on the other system every time.

madsnakehhh

Care to mention any company with "Fresh" ideas when it comes to gameplay?

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="WarTornRuston"]

Sorry. Nintendo s a company that has ran out of ides when it comes to gameplay and are tech-retarded these days. I admit some of the Wii games are great. But compared to what is on other systems? I would play the games on the other system every time.

WarTornRuston

Care to mention any company with "Fresh" ideas when it comes to gameplay?

From Nintendo

Pushmo

A unique puzzle game. Simple yet complex. Addictive. Just $6. You can create your own puzzle and share.

Super Mario Galaxy games

Since GS' scores is considered holy here in SW do you know why the 1st was GOTY 2007 over Crysis and many other games of that year and why the 2nd got a 10 despite its similarity? SMG perfected the platformer genre with gravity bending mechanics which you can't find on any other 3d platformer.

Zelda: Skyward Sword

I'm still playing it but i have come across a unique mechanic. Many games have utilized the time traveling mechanic but time stones in SS was a great idea letting you see the past only for a limited range. You can traverse between past and present seamlessly. The game may be formulaic which is really the main reason why it got 7.5 in GS but it still has great design resulting to high ratings aside from GS.

Metroid: Other M

Ironically, this game is criticized for not being similar to other Metroid games and many people claim Shadow complex is a better Metroid game. Hypocrites they are, since haters wanted something different from Nintendo and when this game came out, they lambast it for not being similar to other Metroid games. The game fused 2D and 3D perspective using a control scheme akin to the NES and it still managed to be fun which is why it still got 8.5 here in GS.

Xenoblade

Wait til it gets in NA and you'll know why some consider it the JRPG of the generation.

Except you know, blizzard doesn't have 10 iterations + of warcraft or diablo like zelda and mario does.

Except you know, blizzard does have 10 iterations + of warcraft or diablo like zelda and mario does.

GD1551

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[QUOTE="WarTornRuston"]

Sorry. Nintendo s a company that has ran out of ides when it comes to gameplay and are tech-retarded these days. I admit some of the Wii games are great. But compared to what is on other systems? I would play the games on the other system every time.

WarTornRuston

Care to mention any company with "Fresh" ideas when it comes to gameplay?

They are both overrated. That's where the similarities end.shakmaster13

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Except you know, blizzard does have 10 iterations + of warcraft or diablo like zelda and mario does.

lordlors

Not releasing that often has nothing to do with what I said. It's about the sheer number of titles that are similar, all of the console zeldas from the 64 onward play like OOT with a twist (sailing,wolf) save SS which plays like OOT but has a bit more (such as directional attacks) added to it and all the handheld titles play like LTTP, again with their own twists. At the end of the day though the core formula fails to move forward or make any notable changes and it begins to feel like a "I played this before" type of deal, like COD.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Except you know, blizzard does have 10 iterations + of warcraft or diablo like zelda and mario does.

GD1551

Not releasing that often has nothing to do with what I said. It's about the sheer number of titles that are similar, all of the console zeldas from the 64 onward play like OOT with a twist (sailing,wolf) save SS which plays like OOT but has a bit more (such as directional attacks) added to it and all the handheld titles play like LTTP, again with their own twists. At the end of the day though the core formula fails to move forward or make any notable changes and it begins to feel like a "I played this before" type of deal, like COD.

They are both overrated. That's where the similarities end.shakmaster13

You still didn't answer my main post. What kind of formula breaking idea do you have that is truly beneficial in the eyes of a game designer? Have you heard of C&C4? Why do you want the formula to be heavily changed in the first place? You want Zelda to become like an WRPG? You want Zelda to have some kind of loot whenever monsters die similar to Diablo? You want the game to have choices that have consequences like in The Witcher? Why then should you play Zelda in the first place if you want to play a game that isn't Zelda (puzzle solving)?lordlors

How about a bit more depth to the combat? (some different weapons, make side weapons much less situational etc)

[QUOTE="lordlors"]You still didn't answer my main post. What kind of formula breaking idea do you have that is truly beneficial in the eyes of a game designer? Have you heard of C&C4? Why do you want the formula to be heavily changed in the first place? You want Zelda to become like an WRPG? You want Zelda to have some kind of loot whenever monsters die similar to Diablo? You want the game to have choices that have consequences like in The Witcher? Why then should you play Zelda in the first place if you want to play a game that isn't Zelda (puzzle solving)?GD1551

How about a bit more depth to the combat? (some different weapons, make side weapons much less situational etc)

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="lordlors"]You still didn't answer my main post. What kind of formula breaking idea do you have that is truly beneficial in the eyes of a game designer? Have you heard of C&C4? Why do you want the formula to be heavily changed in the first place? You want Zelda to become like an WRPG? You want Zelda to have some kind of loot whenever monsters die similar to Diablo? You want the game to have choices that have consequences like in The Witcher? Why then should you play Zelda in the first place if you want to play a game that isn't Zelda (puzzle solving)?lordlors

How about a bit more depth to the combat? (some different weapons, make side weapons much less situational etc)

I did? I never called it formula breaking, I said they haven't added enough with each game so it feels like COD.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

How about a bit more depth to the combat? (some different weapons, make side weapons much less situational etc)

GD1551

I did? I never called it formula breaking, I said they haven't added enough with each game so it feels like COD.

They are similar in that they are making consistent quality games and don't care what the haters think.

Except you know, blizzard doesn't have 10 iterations + of warcraft or diablo like zelda and mario does.

GD1551

I'm asking for formula breaking ideas to people like you who complain that it's the same damn game from the 90's. Since you said they haven't added enough, I ask what should they add more and you just pointed a bit more depth to the combat which is silly. Is that all you can come up with? I seriously thought that people whining that Nintendo games haven't changed, have their own ideas of making the franchise better and fresher.lordlors

Really? I'm not asking them to throw the whole damn formula out the window, I'm asking them to improve on the formula in a noticeable way. Zelda in its current state is the same as COD except COD gets infinitely more hate.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Except you know, blizzard doesn't have 10 iterations + of warcraft or diablo like zelda and mario does.

BrunoBRS

Yeah we are, I don't see your point about that though but the game changed a fair amount with each expansion up to WOTLK. Secondly blizzard's size may have something to do with it, but at this point it doesn't matter, the reality of the situation is there are more zelda and mario games on the market by a mile compared to blizzard games.

I see people bashing Nintendo retreating from the nostalgia argument and now using "it's the same damn game from the 80's and 90's" argument. They always want to cry and scream for BIG changes notably something that breaks the formula. I ask the question, why do you want that? what kind of formula breaking idea do you have that is truly beneficial in the eyes of a game designer? Have you heard of C&C4?

Why do you want the formula to be heavily changed in the first place? You want Zelda to become like an WRPG? Why don't you just play Skyrim or Mass Effect then? You want Mario to wield a gun instead of just jumping around, knocking off enemies, and getting power-ups? Why don't you just play MW3? You want Samus Aran to just kick ass and forget about the puzzles and isolation blah blah blah? Why don't you just play Halo?

Seriously, wanting Mario and Zelda to change is like wanting Starcraft to become like Dawn of War or wanting Diablo 3 to become like Skyrim. It is preposterous. Blizzard's games don't heavily change their formula. It is the polish and refinement of their formula that make their games truly great. Same goes for Nintendo. Blizzard makes changes similar to how Nintendo makes changes to their games.

I will anticipate the response "But Blizzard takes a very long time to release their games" which implies that the fault lies to Nintendo releasing their games too often but that is silly. Mario console platformers don't release that often especially Zelda console games. Handhelds on the other hand well i thought handhelds don't matter here in SW it only matters in Japan? Besides, PH and ST pay homage to WW a last gen game and SM3DL is very different from SMG and is more pick up and play style handheld focused game.

The point is people mostly outside from SW, enjoy Nintendo's games and create great experiences resulting to high sales. It would be stupid for Nintendo to stop or slow down releasing games to cater to SW majority getting tired of their franchises.

lordlors

[QUOTE="WarTornRuston"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Care to mention any company with "Fresh" ideas when it comes to gameplay?

lordlors

From Nintendo

Pushmo

A unique puzzle game. Simple yet complex. Addictive. Just $6. You can create your own puzzle and share.

Super Mario Galaxy games

Since GS' scores is considered holy here in SW do you know why the 1st was GOTY 2007 over Crysis and many other games of that year and why the 2nd got a 10 despite its similarity? SMG perfected the platformer genre with gravity bending mechanics which you can't find on any other 3d platformer.

Zelda: Skyward Sword

I'm still playing it but i have come across a unique mechanic. Many games have utilized the time traveling mechanic but time stones in SS was a great idea letting you see the past only for a limited range. You can traverse between past and present seamlessly. The game may be formulaic which is really the main reason why it got 7.5 in GS but it still has great design resulting to high ratings aside from GS.

Metroid: Other M

Ironically, this game is criticized for not being similar to other Metroid games and many people claim Shadow complex is a better Metroid game. Hypocrites they are, since haters wanted something different from Nintendo and when this game came out, they lambast it for not being similar to other Metroid games. The game fused 2D and 3D perspective using a control scheme akin to the NES and it still managed to be fun which is why it still got 8.5 here in GS.

Xenoblade

Wait til it gets in NA and you'll know why some consider it the JRPG of the generation.

kids love there nintendo

Yes I have heard of C&C4... thank you for reminding me that nightmare :(