Why no Third person game today ever come close to Max Payne 1 and Mafia 1?

Hello,

So my friends, its been almost 20 years. in a period of 2 decades we have seen enough third person games but none of them came close to Max Payne 1 and Mafia1. I wonder why?

what those games in common are. amazing atmosphere, amazing storyline, excellent gameplay combine with a great gunplay and no wall cover nonsense. you have to crouch. even they ruined max payne 3 by putting stupid cover system.

todays every third person game need cover and shoot. and try hard to be like hollywood movies. I recently played vanquish on PC and it is same crap we have seen. it seem like today every third person shooters are gears clone and every third person action games are batman/AC clone with one button combat.

imo Quantum break apart from shitty live action tv series. its actually pretty good. far better than likes of gears, tomb raider and vanquish and highly underrated.

lets hope next remedy game will be as close to max payne 1.

lol

my friend, what is so funny about it?

Hmm, where to begin. Guess I'll just narrow it to these two things.

- I told you not to play Vanquish multiple times. Because I knew with your poor girly casual taste in games (no offence friend) you'd come back to SW and cry about it.

- Giving props to Quantum Break while shitting on a couple of TPS games that play much better.

That's a good enough start my dearest respected friend.

Quantum break is not amazing game. or masterpiece but it is better than todays TPS. it has no cover syste, a good story, and unique mechanics. not just take cover and shoot.

@ghosts4ever:

I respect your terrible opinions.

I can't comment much on Max Payne 1 or Quantum Break, but I will say wall cover as a mechanic is not bad for the genre. I mean, people for centuries have been taking cover behind objects or walls to avoid getting hit by gunfire, it's a genuine tactic not an overused trope. It's how they implement it is where it gets either criticized or praised.

In a lot of third person shooters the problem with the cover system is that the enemy AI is either so dumb that they don't attempt to route, flush, or flank you (or anything else for that matter). At most they'll throw one grenade at you or something, but for the most part there's little reason to leave cover because the enemy makes no attempt to force you to move nor do they use wall cover very strategically themselves (usually exposing themselves for long periods of times so that the player can kill them).

@PikminWorld: I agree, there's nothing wrong with cover systems, just how specific ones are implemented

Good story, but gameplay not particularly fun,.

Unlike it's sequel where everyone is a deplorable prick trying to emulate the F bombing nihilism of Martin Scorsese, it has likable characters with old fashioned romanticized gangsters akin to The Godfather. When he dies like gangster Jesus, it is very sad.

Max Payne has a good story, and fun, if arguably repetitive gameplay. Although just jumping around with John Woo slow-mo will probably never get old for me, it's boundless, eternal, and kewl kewl. It's simple comic panels with voice overs haven't been touched by the ravishes of time. It's serous, but with a self deprecating tone to poke fun at itself. It has a scrappy, indie feel to it their later games lack.

MDK is basically art. Not the shit kind where someone plants an ashtray in a white room and a bunch of hipsters stroke there chin, the good kind where you have to learn anatomy and stuff.

Overall, I'd probably put Max Payne and MDK ahead of it. Max Payne 3 is also good, but it has pointless wall-cover mechanics and a bunch of misplaced on-the-rails set pieces nobody wanted and he seems to turn into John Mcclane for some reason.

Nothing wrong with wall cover.

As if standing behind a wall and strafing back and forth is any better.

thats why max payne 3 is not good. its daylight game and max is out of character.

no same lake = no max payne.

MDK? im not a fan of cartoony style. so Mafia 1 wins for me.

I agree that 2 has terrible story but it was decent game. the main character was terrible compare to how great tommy angelo was. they think putting F words is cool.

That's sort of why I like it Max Payne 3 my friend, while it has shit elements listed above, it's changes things up. Max Payne 2 is too much of more of the same. With a fresh take, comes a fresh feeling. The new, vibrant setting, absolutely 200% soundtrack and rich people exploiting poor people, is sort of ok. It feels like more of a sequel than 2. I can understand why people hate it though, probably for those reasons lol

In regards to MDK, it's like HR Giger have sex with 2000ad, produce love child. It's Bioware sequel is more cartoony, Bioware being Bioware feel the need to give defined trite characters and what not, Shiny, like Id's Doom just want to throw you into a setting. It works better on those terms. Vague, weird. Odd.

It's a problem when 99% of third person shooters are sitting behind a wall, getting shot at.

I liked how Max Payne 3 did it: Wall cover is an option, but you need to get out and actually do shit if you want to make it through the level.

I dont like max payne 2 at all. imo it was too inferior to MP1 and was waay too easy.

The Max payne 1 is still best.

nostalgia at its best

@ghosts4ever:

I can see why you'd say so for narrative but gameplay-wise, both games are pretty shitty.

That's an issue with game design and AI, not the mechanic itself.

It starts to get annoying when every game just wants to be exactly like Gears of War;

I liked the shooting in Mafia III, primarily because I love the weapons of that era. But overall it's a decent cover based shooter. I just don't want cover based shooting in ALL my third person shooters.

Quantum Break has it's shortcomings, but I wouldn't personally mark gameplay as one of em, it's actually pretty fun to play, lot of cool shit you can do with the powers

Max Payne 3 was god tier. The only flaw with that game was unskippable cutscenes.

And the fact those cutscenes were way too frequent and constantly interrupted the gameplay flow... MP3 isnt bad but definitely hurts its replayability

To be fair if you just exploit the shit out of slow-mo they are all.

Doesn't bother me though, it's inherently fun.

pew pew pew.

+1

In fact the only major downside it has is that there wasn't ENOUGH gameplay.

25% of the time you are watching cutscenes, 50% of the time you are watching TV show and only 25% of the time it actually let's you play the game.

I wish there was more gameplay.

pretty much

Those games are really dated and ugly now so I have no idea why you are still allowed to post.

Resident evil 4?

The bar was set at console quality.

Well Max Payne 1 does shit on alot of things I will give you that.

Max Payne 1 was good but the fact that it didn't have cover mechanics was not even close to being a redeeming factor... I mean it's not even the point here. Mafia 1 is a very simplistic shooter and it has NOT aged well at all. Don't know why ghost is over-glorifying something that's so average.

Vanquish is bad ?

lol.

@PikminWorld: "AI is either so dumb that they don't attempt to route, flush, or flank you (or anything else for that matter)."

In a real life situation, no matter if it's 20 vs 1, is really wise to flush/flank the one target despite him/her is armed too.

Yeah, but it was more about the fact that he'd give it props while knocking other TPS games that play so well.

Also just giving OP a hard time lol.

Because you're nostalgic and have shit taste.

Quantum Break is arguably the "worst" tps this generation.

Edit: "Worst" was edited in cuz I for some reason forgot to put it in there, " " just to clarify what was edited.

while i agree with this. this is because third person shooters are terrible. especially compare to thier elder brother FPS.

I thought you were bad enough with your regular post, but you're even more embarrassing when you create topics, I didn't think it was possible.

I will give you credit for not mentioning doom I guess, but have to take points away from jerking it over Mafia, freaking Mafia lol.

I meant to say worst tps

The game is full of invisible walls, restrictions, horrible pacing, horribly dated gameplay where it's just about dumping enemies against you like it's uncharted 1 without the platforming, etc etc.

@ghosts4ever:

Saaaay wuuuuuuuuuut ???

This ain't an ugly game if you ask me.

Lets see

• Max Payne 3
• Dead Space
• RE4
• Spec Ops The Line
• RDR
• GTAV
• Geow series

That's just to name a few, seriously stop ******* complaining about shit and actually play video games.

yeah. all these games cant come close to MP1 or Mafia 1. not in gameplay, not in story.

I just love Max's face in the first game.

It can be interpreted as a super intense "die muthaf*^%%r die" face.

Or maybe he's trying to push out a really giant turd? Who knows.

the sam lake character model is best character model for max payne. didnot like his character model in 2 and 3.

@R4gn4r0k said:

This ain't an ugly game if you ask me.

Much like Halflife 2 both Max Payne 1/2 were (and suppose are) a great example of a game that not only looked good, but would run well on modest hardware.

You forgot to read his last sentence. Seriously stop complaining about stuff so much !

"Spec Ops The Line - Gears of war with sand."

Another generic remark with zero thought put into it, brought to you by Ghosts.

@uninspiredcup: Much Like Half Life 2, Max Payne 2 as a game and an engine was way ahead of its time. And this was primarily, because they were designed for PCs.

Max Payne 2 was the first use of ragdoll physics in a game I ever saw. Half Life 2 used physics as a gameplay element for the first time.

Both of them had insane graphics for their time and scale really well on all kinds of hardware.

While they were both great games, pretty much any third person game released after that is better lol

Mafia 1 is a bad game loved by bad people. Pls watch a movie once in awhile, you shmucks.

Max Payne 1 is pretty rad tho, even if the story is baby's first noir story.

I had seriously fun with that game when it came, was awed by the graphics and enjoyed the gameplay and the guns and atmosphere and whatnot. Loved the setting. Even liked the cliché done a 1000 times before-story. I haven't gone into great detail yet about why the game should suck, so it's still a good game in my eyes.

I've actually never played Max Payne. Don't really want to either.

However, there are 3rd person games I prefer to Mafia 1. You hate them, Ghost, so why bother posting them?

just cause 2

Mad Max

Spec Ops the line