Why (North America) "fixed" alone can change gaming. why 360 still exi

In the world of games we all know the bottom line is the that Dollar, Euro, Yen. That money. For some reason people all over the world argue they have they largest gaming population in the world. But they don't. There is one country that dominates all others in the MONEY spent each year for games and accessories. The United States is the WORLDS leading market. Dev's custom tailor games made today towards the American market and are aiming for that DOLLAR.

It's not just castlevania's dev or NG's dev, look at square. it has shares owned by Sony and yet they still are making games for the American market. The American people are lovers of foreign products. We love Japanese most everything. German Car's and french fries, j/k, we buy china products in every possible catagory you can think, and yet We Earn the Quality WE Afford Ourselves. The 360 is a Quality system for the price you pay. It has a value that is not matched by the PS3. A movie player is great and the disk storage cant be complained. But multiple disk is no biggie and the HD-DVD player is sounding more and more like the way to go. As a value the 360 is the true NEXTGEN GAMING MACHINE. Sony wants the title. They had it last gen. Things change.

T he American market has made an impact on the industry period. If you cant see tha, then follow the blind and stray from the simple enlightenment of logical thinking, and deprive yourself of wonderful extreme images that makes love to your eye's, that's fine.But the 360 still exist. It is gaining dev support, not losing it. Clearly the 3 years it would take the PS3 at this rate is a little too long. A price drop is needed. again. Cause the 360 is king in the US. and to dev's that is KING period.

Of course the NA market is huge, but you can't win without Japan. The PS2 sold more than the GC and Xbox alone in Japan.Sir-Marwin105

I'm sorry, but I read the whole post and don't understand why it can only be the US...or do you mean rather than only the US changing it that the US on it's own could (a point which really isn't worth arguing over)?

I'm also a little confused as to why the American market can't change the face of gaming through the PS3 or Wii...didn't that exact same thing happen just last generation with the US and the PS2?

You are correct sir - the minority who speak of the importance of the JP market for the VG Ind. are stuck in the past and shall be left there if they refuse to see the light.

The 360 is winning in N.A. ---- The Most Important Market and ! ....those other consoles Mfg. who are not doing as well in N.A. are the ones who need to worry about failing !

You are correct sir - the minority who speak of the importance of the JP market for the VG Ind. are stuck in the past and shall be left there if they refuse to see the light.

The 360 is winning in N.A. ---- The Most Important Market and ! ....those other consoles Mfg. who are not doing as well in N.A. are the ones who need to worry about failing !

SecretPolice

Last time I checked the Wii was actually doing quite well in the US...

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Of course the NA market is huge, but you can't win without Japan. The PS2 sold more than the GC and Xbox alone in Japan.akuma303x

True but 2 things to consider. 1) NA isnt just America and 2) PS3 Just came out not even a year ago. I know MS fanboys are impatient (hence all the broken systems) but for us that have patience (ironically enough considering many people waited in line to have the PS3 first) we know that our patience will pay off. Btw, Europe accounts for a major market share. It'll account for more of a market share than last gen due to economy growth in other countries.

I'm sorry, but I read the whole post and don't understand why it can only be the US...or do you mean rather than only the US changing it that the US on it's own could (a point which really isn't worth arguing over)?

I'm also a little confused as to why the American market can't change the face of gaming through the PS3 or Wii...didn't that exact same thing happen just last generation with the US and the PS2?

Articuno76

[QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Of course the NA market is huge, but you can't win without Japan. The PS2 sold more than the GC and Xbox alone in Japan.blitzinger123

True but 2 things to consider. 1) NA isnt just America and 2) PS3 Just came out not even a year ago. I know MS fanboys are impatient (hence all the broken systems) but for us that have patience (ironically enough considering many people waited in line to have the PS3 first) we know that our patience will pay off. Btw, Europe accounts for a major market share. It'll account for more of a market share than last gen due to economy growth in other countries.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

You are correct sir - the minority who speak of the importance of the JP market for the VG Ind. are stuck in the past and shall be left there if they refuse to see the light.

The 360 is winning in N.A. ---- The Most Important Market and ! ....those other consoles Mfg. who are not doing as well in N.A. are the ones who need to worry about failing !

Articuno76

Last time I checked the Wii was actually doing quite well in the US...

The point is ( you so evaded it ) that the 360 is winning the most important market !

There are battles ( S.W. ) but it's not that who wins the battle ( for Japan ) but who is best at winning the War.

By my estimate; the 360 winning N.A. is much more impressive then the Wii winning Japan.

Don't ya think ?

the reason why the xbox is alive is because MS is really rich, and they can support it even though there losing money on the brand.Magical_Guy

You are correct sir - the minority who speak of the importance of the JP market for the VG Ind. are stuck in the past and shall be left there if they refuse to see the light.

The 360 is winning in N.A. ---- The Most Important Market and ! ....those other consoles Mfg. who are not doing as well in N.A. are the ones who need to worry about failing !

SecretPolice

The Wii is winning all markets for the time being...Yes they have not sold has much has the 360 in the US but if sales stay the same it only a matter of time. That if they stay the same.

[QUOTE="Magical_Guy"]the reason why the xbox is alive is because MS is really rich, and they can support it even though there losing money on the brand.akuma303x

Cause MS publishes the games.

[QUOTE="blitzinger123"]

[QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Of course the NA market is huge, but you can't win without Japan. The PS2 sold more than the GC and Xbox alone in Japan.akuma303x

True but 2 things to consider. 1) NA isnt just America and 2) PS3 Just came out not even a year ago. I know MS fanboys are impatient (hence all the broken systems) but for us that have patience (ironically enough considering many people waited in line to have the PS3 first) we know that our patience will pay off. Btw, Europe accounts for a major market share. It'll account for more of a market share than last gen due to economy growth in other countries.

By changing the face of the gaming business you mean selling systems mainly due to 1 hit franchise right?

[QUOTE="Magical_Guy"]the reason why the xbox is alive is because MS is really rich, and they can support it even though there losing money on the brand.akuma303x

at the start the 360 got exclusives because it was the only next gen system out, now ms is either publishing or paying money to get exclusive games.

[QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

You are correct sir - the minority who speak of the importance of the JP market for the VG Ind. are stuck in the past and shall be left there if they refuse to see the light.

The 360 is winning in N.A. ---- The Most Important Market and ! ....those other consoles Mfg. who are not doing as well in N.A. are the ones who need to worry about failing !

SecretPolice

Last time I checked the Wii was actually doing quite well in the US...

The point is ( you so evaded it ) that the 360 is winning the most important market !

There are battles ( S.W. ) but it's not that who wins the battle ( for Japan ) but who is best at winning the War.

By my estimate; the 360 winning N.A. is much more impressive then the Wii winning Japan.

Don't ya think ?

the reason why the xbox is alive is because MS is really rich, and they can support it even though there losing money on the brand.Magical_Guy

yes, MSis rich and yes, they can support the xbox, but why would they want to loose money on something. i think that by the time everything is added up they are making money. they wouldn't be in the gaming market otherwise would they?

[QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="Magical_Guy"]the reason why the xbox is alive is because MS is really rich, and they can support it even though there losing money on the brand.Magical_Guy

at the start the 360 got exclusives because it was the only next gen system out, now ms is either publishing or paying money to get exclusive games.

USA is the most important market

cause we are so open to other cultures IMO

seriously over here both FFX, and halo 2 sell well

we appreciate great games regardless of where they are from

its the north americna market not just usa...............deadmeat59

True lol.

[QUOTE="Magical_Guy"]

[QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="Magical_Guy"]the reason why the xbox is alive is because MS is really rich, and they can support it even though there losing money on the brand.akuma303x

at the start the 360 got exclusives because it was the only next gen system out, now ms is either publishing or paying money to get exclusive games.

you should go to a doctor to get your fingers checked if there coughing.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

You are correct sir - the minority who speak of the importance of the JP market for the VG Ind. are stuck in the past and shall be left there if they refuse to see the light.

The 360 is winning in N.A. ---- The Most Important Market and ! ....those other consoles Mfg. who are not doing as well in N.A. are the ones who need to worry about failing !

HarlockJC

The Wii is winning all markets for the time being...Yes they have not sold has much has the 360 in the US but if sales stay the same it only a matter of time. That if they stay the same.

To continue to deny this fact is futile.

The 360 has two big - no - Giant hitters that are due to hit the street in the next few weeks ( Halo 3 & M.E. ) and these two will only further the 360's domination of the worlds most important market for V.G - The N.A. market !

[QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="Magical_Guy"]

[QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="Magical_Guy"]the reason why the xbox is alive is because MS is really rich, and they can support it even though there losing money on the brand.Magical_Guy

at the start the 360 got exclusives because it was the only next gen system out, now ms is either publishing or paying money to get exclusive games.

you should go to a doctor to get your fingers checked if there coughing.

TEH USA!!11111

No. It can't win only with the usa. USA is a huge piece of the cake, indeed, but USA + Japan is even bigger.

[QUOTE="Magical_Guy"][QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="Magical_Guy"]

[QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="Magical_Guy"]the reason why the xbox is alive is because MS is really rich, and they can support it even though there losing money on the brand.akuma303x

at the start the 360 got exclusives because it was the only next gen system out, now ms is either publishing or paying money to get exclusive games.

you should go to a doctor to get your fingers checked if there coughing.

I actually lol'd

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

You are correct sir - the minority who speak of the importance of the JP market for the VG Ind. are stuck in the past and shall be left there if they refuse to see the light.

The 360 is winning in N.A. ---- The Most Important Market and ! ....those other consoles Mfg. who are not doing as well in N.A. are the ones who need to worry about failing !

SecretPolice

The Wii is winning all markets for the time being...Yes they have not sold has much has the 360 in the US but if sales stay the same it only a matter of time. That if they stay the same.

To continue to deny this fact is futile.

The 360 has two big - no - Giant hitters that are due to hit the street in the next few weeks ( Halo 3 & M.E. ) and these two will only further the 360's domination of the worlds most important market for V.G - The N.A. market !

I'm not a big Nintendo fan, but your statement is a little premature.

Mario Galaxy

Smash Brothers Brawl

Wii Fit

All I'm saying is, after this Christmas, don't be surprise if the 360 slips to 2nd place saleswise.

In the world of games we all know the bottom line is the that Dollar, Euro, Yen. That money. For some reason people all over the world argue they have they largest gaming population in the world. But they don't. There is one country that dominates all others in the MONEY spent each year for games and accessories. The United States is the WORLDS leading market. Dev's custom tailor games made today towards the American market and are aiming for that DOLLAR.

It's not just castlevania's dev or NG's dev, look at square. it has shares owned by Sony and yet they still are making games for the American market. The American people are lovers of foreign products. We love Japanese most everything. German Car's and french fries, j/k, we buy china products in every possible catagory you can think, and yet We Earn the Quality WE Afford Ourselves. The 360 is a Quality system for the price you pay. It has a value that is not matched by the PS3. A movie player is great and the disk storage cant be complained. But multiple disk is no biggie and the HD-DVD player is sounding more and more like the way to go. As a value the 360 is the true NEXTGEN GAMING MACHINE. Sony wants the title. They had it last gen. Things change.

T he American market has made an impact on the industry period. If you cant see tha, then follow the blind and stray from the simple enlightenment of logical thinking, and deprive yourself of wonderful extreme images that makes love to your eye's, that's fine.But the 360 still exist. It is gaining dev support, not losing it. Clearly the 3 years it would take the PS3 at this rate is a little too long. A price drop is needed. again. Cause the 360 is king in the US. and to dev's that is KING period.

akuma303x

I don't want to come off sounding Anti-AMerican, but I think your nationalist bravado needs a slight dose of reality. If American companies controlled the gaming market we'd have nothing to play but mostly FPSers, racing and sports titles. Games would rely WAY more on regular expansions that milk the customer instead of making a great deal from the start. Gaming would be like the movie industry...with way too much attention on shallow-but-flashy "junk food", less and less innovation and originality and more and more crappy reshashes,pointlesssequals and rip offsof better titles.

Why? For the very reason you mention...money. For now, there is still an element of love and desire in the industry. If American companies had their way it would be all about money and nothing BUT money. You could kiss innovation and original and sleeper hits goodbye because those don't make the most possible money.

Sure, that would change gaming but it won't be for the better.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

You are correct sir - the minority who speak of the importance of the JP market for the VG Ind. are stuck in the past and shall be left there if they refuse to see the light.

The 360 is winning in N.A. ---- The Most Important Market and ! ....those other consoles Mfg. who are not doing as well in N.A. are the ones who need to worry about failing !

tonemd_basic

The Wii is winning all markets for the time being...Yes they have not sold has much has the 360 in the US but if sales stay the same it only a matter of time. That if they stay the same.

To continue to deny this fact is futile.

The 360 has two big - no - Giant hitters that are due to hit the street in the next few weeks ( Halo 3 & M.E. ) and these two will only further the 360's domination of the worlds most important market for V.G - The N.A. market !

I'm not a big Nintendo fan, but your statement is a little premature.

Mario Galaxy

Smash Brothers Brawl

Wii Fit

All I'm saying is, after this Christmas, don't be surprise if the 360 slips to 2nd place saleswise.

I'm sorry but that is wishful thinking on you're part as the games I listed are golden here in the U.S.

You're two will do better in the Smaller market - so I like the position MS has over what Nintendo has.

We are talking about the N.A. market you know?

In the world of games we all know the bottom line is the that Dollar, Euro, Yen. That money. For some reason people all over the world argue they have they largest gaming population in the world. But they don't. There is one country that dominates all others in the MONEY spent each year for games and accessories. The United States is the WORLDS leading market. Dev's custom tailor games made today towards the American market and are aiming for that DOLLAR.

It's not just castlevania's dev or NG's dev, look at square. it has shares owned by Sony and yet they still are making games for the American market. The American people are lovers of foreign products. We love Japanese most everything. German Car's and french fries, j/k, we buy china products in every possible catagory you can think, and yet We Earn the Quality WE Afford Ourselves. The 360 is a Quality system for the price you pay. It has a value that is not matched by the PS3. A movie player is great and the disk storage cant be complained. But multiple disk is no biggie and the HD-DVD player is sounding more and more like the way to go. As a value the 360 is the true NEXTGEN GAMING MACHINE. Sony wants the title. They had it last gen. Things change.

T he American market has made an impact on the industry period. If you cant see tha, then follow the blind and stray from the simple enlightenment of logical thinking, and deprive yourself of wonderful extreme images that makes love to your eye's, that's fine.But the 360 still exist. It is gaining dev support, not losing it. Clearly the 3 years it would take the PS3 at this rate is a little too long. A price drop is needed. again. Cause the 360 is king in the US. and to dev's that is KING period.

akuma303x

Links? Any facts whatsoever?

Or just a thinly veiled "Xbox will win cuz we're Americans in America and THIS IS AMURRICA WOOOO HOOOOO!!!!"

ugh, someone takes 1 college business course and they turn into market analyists.

J/K. or am i......

The PS2 didn't own everyone because of NA, Japan is the only country that can determine a console war....snorlaxmaster

I wouldn't say it like that, but It could very much be possible. The Ps1 and Ps2 were so sucessful in part because of the massive number of japanese titles. Games of lesser tier that aren't even listed here in Gamestop, and won't even get published outside japan. And with this massive ammount of titles, you get every once a while a great hit.

There's no sense in making export-only japanese-oriented games, like there's no sense in making export-only japanese anime. The top of the top might do well economicaly outside japan, but the great majority of content won't. It's a cultural thing.

Microsoft might publish or buy a few titles, but without japanese gamers support, japanese game studios aren't gonna pick 360 as a standard platform for japanese-oriented games, as only a small fraction of those games are sucessful economicaly outside JP.

US can change gaming(wghatever that means), but no platform is whole without japanese support aswell.

[QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

You are correct sir - the minority who speak of the importance of the JP market for the VG Ind. are stuck in the past and shall be left there if they refuse to see the light.

The 360 is winning in N.A. ---- The Most Important Market and ! ....those other consoles Mfg. who are not doing as well in N.A. are the ones who need to worry about failing !

SecretPolice

Last time I checked the Wii was actually doing quite well in the US...

The point is ( you so evaded it ) that the 360 is winning the most important market !

There are battles ( S.W. ) but it's not that who wins the battle ( for Japan ) but who is best at winning the War.

By my estimate; the 360 winning N.A. is much more impressive then the Wii winning Japan.

Don't ya think ?

The Wii will probably overtake it in NA at some point too, it (the 360 seems to have hit a standstill), keep in mind that the 360 has also been out longer.

And yes I did infer it, because there are only 2 other consoles other than the 360 that are worthy of mention, the PS3 and the Wii, so by inference you were talking about them when you said that last line.

[QUOTE="Articuno76"]

I'm sorry, but I read the whole post and don't understand why it can only be the US...or do you mean rather than only the US changing it that the US on it's own could (a point which really isn't worth arguing over)?

I'm also a little confused as to why the American market can't change the face of gaming through the PS3 or Wii...didn't that exact same thing happen just last generation with the US and the PS2?

akuma303x

Yeah the majority of the 360...and the market, but you fail to explain why that can't change, if things continue the Wii will overtake the 360 and be a better candidate to change things through the NA market.

On an aside, the size of the US market is hugely overblown, the US market is large, but EU and is hardly chump change.

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Of course the NA market is huge, but you can't win without Japan. The PS2 sold more than the GC and Xbox alone in Japan.farrell2k

Absolute, uninformed, illogical nonsense. NA is the biggest in terms of money spent, eu is second, and jp is last.

if na = 5, eu = 4, and jp = 3, then:

na + eu = 9

na + jp = 8

eu + jp = 7

You need na + something else to win. You could easily win without japan. Japan is not as important as the uninformed would have you believe.

It's export influence which extends far beyond the Japanese market is extremely important, and in order to acquire Japans exports you normally have to do well there. It's this influence that makes Japan important, not the size of it's market at home.

[QUOTE="tonemd_basic"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

You are correct sir - the minority who speak of the importance of the JP market for the VG Ind. are stuck in the past and shall be left there if they refuse to see the light.

The 360 is winning in N.A. ---- The Most Important Market and ! ....those other consoles Mfg. who are not doing as well in N.A. are the ones who need to worry about failing !

SecretPolice

The Wii is winning all markets for the time being...Yes they have not sold has much has the 360 in the US but if sales stay the same it only a matter of time. That if they stay the same.

To continue to deny this fact is futile.

The 360 has two big - no - Giant hitters that are due to hit the street in the next few weeks ( Halo 3 & M.E. ) and these two will only further the 360's domination of the worlds most important market for V.G - The N.A. market !

I'm not a big Nintendo fan, but your statement is a little premature.

Mario Galaxy

Smash Brothers Brawl

Wii Fit

All I'm saying is, after this Christmas, don't be surprise if the 360 slips to 2nd place saleswise.

I'm sorry but that is wishful thinking on you're part as the games I listed are golden here in the U.S.

You're two will do better in the Smaller market - so I like the position MS has over what Nintendo has.

We are talking about the N.A. market you know?

Your games will be big...but will they create the buzz to get loads of new sales or will most of it go to existing customers? Nintendo has shown recently they can advertise just about anything to anyone, Microsoft has shown repeadedly that the group they are aiming for is actually quite small and very specialised in comparision (though at first glance it would appear to be as large as the PS brand, but keep in mind that most PS2 owners have not jumped MS's way, and may not).

[QUOTE="akuma303x"]

In the world of games we all know the bottom line is the that Dollar, Euro, Yen. That money. For some reason people all over the world argue they have they largest gaming population in the world. But they don't. There is one country that dominates all others in the MONEY spent each year for games and accessories. The United States is the WORLDS leading market. Dev's custom tailor games made today towards the American market and are aiming for that DOLLAR.

It's not just castlevania's dev or NG's dev, look at square. it has shares owned by Sony and yet they still are making games for the American market. The American people are lovers of foreign products. We love Japanese most everything. German Car's and french fries, j/k, we buy china products in every possible catagory you can think, and yet We Earn the Quality WE Afford Ourselves. The 360 is a Quality system for the price you pay. It has a value that is not matched by the PS3. A movie player is great and the disk storage cant be complained. But multiple disk is no biggie and the HD-DVD player is sounding more and more like the way to go. As a value the 360 is the true NEXTGEN GAMING MACHINE. Sony wants the title. They had it last gen. Things change.

T he American market has made an impact on the industry period. If you cant see tha, then follow the blind and stray from the simple enlightenment of logical thinking, and deprive yourself of wonderful extreme images that makes love to your eye's, that's fine.But the 360 still exist. It is gaining dev support, not losing it. Clearly the 3 years it would take the PS3 at this rate is a little too long. A price drop is needed. again. Cause the 360 is king in the US. and to dev's that is KING period.

ZIMdoom

I don't want to come off sounding Anti-AMerican, but I think your nationalist bravado needs a slight dose of reality. If American companies controlled the gaming market we'd have nothing to play but mostly FPSers, racing and sports titles. Games would rely WAY more on regular expansions that milk the customer instead of making a great deal from the start. Gaming would be like the movie industry...with way too much attention on shallow-but-flashy "junk food", less and less innovation and originality and more and more crappy reshashes,pointlesssequals and rip offsof better titles.

Why? For the very reason you mention...money. For now, there is still an element of love and desire in the industry. If American companies had their way it would be all about money and nothing BUT money. You could kiss innovation and original and sleeper hits goodbye because those don't make the most possible money.

Sure, that would change gaming but it won't be for the better.

It sure would do you good to acknowledge you're own favorite V.G. mfg. is also in it for the money as well!

If it's the Wii.. well that hardware for the money is the biggest money grab & pure greed I have ever witnessed in all V.G. history.

Also, MS is spending $$ big time to gain diverse devs and appeal to the world and that is for the better - you're team should try to do the same - just maybe.

I'm not a big Nintendo fan, but your statement is a little premature.

Mario Galaxy

Smash Brothers Brawl

Wii Fit

All I'm saying is, after this Christmas, don't be surprise if the 360 slips to 2nd place saleswise.

I'm sorry but that is wishful thinking on you're part as the games I listed are golden here in the U.S.

You're two will do better in the Smaller market - so I like the position MS has over what Nintendo has.

We are talking about the N.A. market you know?

Your games will be big...but will they create the buzz to get loads of new sales or will most of it go to existing customers? Nintendo has shown recently they can advertise just about anything to anyone, Microsoft has shown repeadedly that the group they are aiming for is actually quite small and very specialised in comparision (though at first glance it would appear to be as large as the PS brand, but keep in mind that most PS2 owners have not jumped MS's way, and may not).

The way Nintendo went about it's business plan this gen was to market a gimmick and the H.W. and charge more then what it cost to make.

This strategy, though it has been very good for "N" is awful for the gamer.

MS is using the old school plan; sell the H.W. at a loss and make great software for the profit.

As a gamer, I'll take the old school way every day of the week.

The "N" plan will only work for the short run and gain them huge profits at the gamers expense, where as the MS plan puts pressure on them making great games that sell or no profits received from their venture into this Ind.

[QUOTE="tonemd_basic"]

I know you are a die hard Nintendo fan but really... The 360 is leading and will continue to lead the most important V.G. market in the world.

To continue to deny this fact is futile.

The 360 has two big - no - Giant hitters that are due to hit the street in the next few weeks ( Halo 3 & M.E. ) and these two will only further the 360's domination of the worlds most important market for V.G - The N.A. market !

SecretPolice

I'm not a big Nintendo fan, but your statement is a little premature.

Mario Galaxy

Smash Brothers Brawl

Wii Fit

All I'm saying is, after this Christmas, don't be surprise if the 360 slips to 2nd place saleswise.

I'm sorry but that is wishful thinking on you're part as the games I listed are golden here in the U.S.

You're two will do better in the Smaller market - so I like the position MS has over what Nintendo has.

We are talking about the N.A. market you know?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="tonemd_basic"]

I know you are a die hard Nintendo fan but really... The 360 is leading and will continue to lead the most important V.G. market in the world.

To continue to deny this fact is futile.

The 360 has two big - no - Giant hitters that are due to hit the street in the next few weeks ( Halo 3 & M.E. ) and these two will only further the 360's domination of the worlds most important market for V.G - The N.A. market !

tonemd_basic

I'm not a big Nintendo fan, but your statement is a little premature.

Mario Galaxy

Smash Brothers Brawl

Wii Fit

All I'm saying is, after this Christmas, don't be surprise if the 360 slips to 2nd place saleswise.

I'm sorry but that is wishful thinking on you're part as the games I listed are golden here in the U.S.

You're two will do better in the Smaller market - so I like the position MS has over what Nintendo has.

We are talking about the N.A. market you know?

In other words, not for most of us who spend time on sites like this.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

I don't want to come off sounding Anti-AMerican, but I think your nationalist bravado needs a slight dose of reality. If American companies controlled the gaming market we'd have nothing to play but mostly FPSers, racing and sports titles. Games would rely WAY more on regular expansions that milk the customer instead of making a great deal from the start. Gaming would be like the movie industry...with way too much attention on shallow-but-flashy "junk food", less and less innovation and originality and more and more crappy reshashes,pointlesssequals and rip offsof better titles.

Why? For the very reason you mention...money. For now, there is still an element of love and desire in the industry. If American companies had their way it would be all about money and nothing BUT money. You could kiss innovation and original and sleeper hits goodbye because those don't make the most possible money.

Sure, that would change gaming but it won't be for the better.

SecretPolice

It sure would do you good to acknowledge you're own favorite V.G. mfg. is also in it for the money as well!

If it's the Wii.. well that hardware for the money is the biggest money grab & pure greed I have ever witnessed in all V.G. history.

Also, MS is spending $$ big time to gain diverse devs and appeal to the world and that is for the better - you're team should try to do the same - just maybe.

I find your whole arguement to be simple minded to the point of ignorance.

What are you talking about "you're own favorite V.G. mfg" and "you're team"?

Not only do you fail to address one single point I made, but you resort to fallacious straw- man logic. Of course businesses want to make money, I never said otherwise. To suggest that I did shows a stunning level of ignorance.

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I don't want to come off sounding Anti-AMerican, but I think your nationalist bravado needs a slight dose of reality. If American companies controlled the gaming market we'd have nothing to play but mostly FPSers, racing and sports titles. Games would rely WAY more on regular expansions that milk the customer instead of making a great deal from the start. Gaming would be like the movie industry...with way too much attention on shallow-but-flashy "junk food", less and less innovation and originality and more and more crappy reshashes,pointlesssequals and rip offsof better titles.

Why? For the very reason you mention...money. For now, there is still an element of love and desire in the industry. If American companies had their way it would be all about money and nothing BUT money. You could kiss innovation and original and sleeper hits goodbye because those don't make the most possible money.

Sure, that would change gaming but it won't be for the better.

ZIMdoom

It sure would do you good to acknowledge you're own favorite V.G. mfg. is also in it for the money as well!

If it's the Wii.. well that hardware for the money is the biggest money grab & pure greed I have ever witnessed in all V.G. history.

Also, MS is spending $$ big time to gain diverse devs and appeal to the world and that is for the better - you're team should try to do the same - just maybe.

I find your whole arguement to be simple minded to the point of ignorance.

What are you talking about "you're own favorite V.G. mfg" and "you're team"?

Not only do you fail to address one single point I made, but you resort to fallacious straw- man logic. Of course businesses want to make money, I never said otherwise. To suggest that I did shows a stunning level of ignorance.

Lets start with you're own words shall we - well I could highlight the whole thing after re-reading but I'll take it easy on you for now - just read what you typed then re-read what you're response was to me. LMAO

You're fav. mfg sure isnt a American one now is it ?

You're whole rant sounds very Anti American to me and us Americans have a saying; If it looks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, it's more then likely a Duck !

Starting out with " I dont want to sound Anti American " is a sure fire way to spot a Anti American in most cases.

Also as you read what you wrote notice how flawed you are by saying only certain types of games would exist if an American Co. ran the V.G. Ind.

Then use this very site to research ( something that seems alien to you ) the depth & breath of the varied game types thatare offered by looking up the 360 library.

I'll wait for you to take back the insults spewed by you to describe my posting but I wont be holding my breath and am sure it's not forthcoming.

It would seem to fit that you are part of that weird - SDF. ;)

Japan spends more percapa on videogames then the US does.