Why not GOG?

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#51 heretrix
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GOG doesn't have the game selection of Steam and for me that makes it lose by default. If you're into the whole anti-DRM thing, great, but I've never once had an issue with Steam's implementation of it.

I've been on the platform since before it publicly existed and have not once experienced a problem with DRM, nor did the ownership or the rights of my games ever come into question.

However the Terms and Agreement on Steam say you only own licenses to your steam games, no actual ownership.

Dude, that is in the EULA of every game in existence. You don't really own anything, you only purchase a licence for that game. Even on a disk.

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#52 Legend002
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@heretrix: Steam is FAR from perfect. You don't have to do swat to get banned because of shitty security. You add that with the worst customer service of all time and you are in for some major headaches. I made my Steam account years ago before I even had a gaming PC and the amount of email notifications on it being compromised asking me to change my password was ridiculous. GOG is far superior in everything but content though that can't be helped since it is still in it's infant stage. When people start to brighten up and realize how shitty Steam is in comparison to GOG, publishers with bring their stuff to it. It's already happening; slowly but surely.

Bottom line: If we want a digital future where we also are able to own our content then GOG is the only way to go. Don't give up your rights.

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#53  Edited By heretrix
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@Legend002 said:

@heretrix: Steam is FAR from perfect. You don't have to do swat to get banned because of shitty security. You add that with the worst customer service of all time and you are in for some major headaches. I made my Steam account years ago before I even had a gaming PC and the amount of email notifications on it being compromised asking me to change my password was ridiculous. GOG is far superior in everything but content though that can't be helped since it is still in it's infant stage. When people start to brighten up and realize how shitty Steam is in comparison to GOG, publishers with bring their stuff to it. It's already happening; slowly but surely.

Bottom line: If we want a digital future where we also are able to own our content then GOG is the only way to go. Don't give up your rights.

I'm not quite sure I can take you seriously right now.

YOU DON'T OWN SHIT IN THE DIGITAL FUTURE. All games have EULA's (END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS) that explicitly tell you you are only purchasing a license to play the game.

Read a goddamn EULA sometimes and stop talking out your butt.

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#54  Edited By Legend002
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@heretrix: That's for Steam and friends because with nasty DRM. The same rules apply to physical retail discs actually. GOG doesn't even require you to stay logged in to access your games when they are installed to your computer like Steam. You do own the game. If Steam was to ever suddenly shut down then you are most likely screwed. With GOG, if you have them saved on a storage device then it'll always be there like a retail disc.

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#55 FireEmblem_Man
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@Gue1 said:

GOG are pro-censorship, so **** them. I rather take a game with DRM than one with no DRM but censored.

Censored? Explain yourself

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#56  Edited By heretrix
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@heretrix: That's for Steam and friends because with nasty DRM. The same rules apply to physical retail discs actually. GOG doesn't even require you to stay log in to access your games when they are installed to your computer like Steam. You do own the game. If Steam was to ever suddenly shuts down then you are most likely screwed. With GOG, if you have them saved on a storage device then it'll always be there.

Sigh. You have been able to back your games up to a disk on Steam since the very beginning. If Steam shuts down I'm sure there will be a way for you to play your games. I'm sure offline mode will work just fine.

Again, your hypotheticals are total bullshit. In what reality do you think Steam is going anywhere in the immediate future? I'm all for GOG and I love CD projekt Red, but your arguments are doing them a TERRIBLE disservice. You are terribly misinformed.

2. USING GOG.COM AND GOG CONTENT

You have the personal right to use GOG content and services. This right can be waived by us in some situations (examples are below).2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'licence') to use GOG.com to download and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content and other GOG services. This licence is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this licence in some situations, which are explained later on.

GOG games might have extra EULAs (End User Licensing Agreement) for you to accept.2.2 When you buy or install GOG games, you might have to agree to additional contract terms with the developer/publisher of the game (e.g. they might ask you to agree to a game specific End User Licence Agreement). If there is any inconsistency or dispute between those ‘EULAs’ and this Agreement, then this Agreement wins.

As for the video content, stream or download it and watch the way you want.2.3 With GOG videos, you can also stream purchased video content or download it to watch the way you want.

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#57 JangoWuzHere
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Competition is good and all, but seriously, **** GOG.

By buying Witcher 3 outside of Steam, I now have to manage 5 different game services for PC games.

It seriously sucks.

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I like GOG, but i like Steam better. Steam is a true leader, they innovate the gaming industry. GOG is great also, but i feel GOG is only good cause they have to compete with Steam, they have to show their worth and be different. Could they be a leader like Valve? I highly doubt it, Steam has proven it can lead this industry.

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#59  Edited By Legend002
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@heretrix: That mumble jumbo is there to protect there asses from pirates if they ever decide to hunt them down again. GOG is completely DRM free which means you can play it without an internet after it is installed. It's completely yours. In GOG you own your games. On Steam, they own you. Is Steam going anywhere? No but I'd like some peace of mind when I buy digital contents.

*Yes, we are walking in circles here.

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#60 heretrix
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@Legend002 said:

@heretrix: That mumble jumbo is there to protect there asses from pirates if they ever decide to hunt them down again. GOG is completely DRM free which means you can play it without an internet after it is installed. It's completely yours. In GOG you own your games. On Steam, they own you. Is Steam going anywhere? No but I'd like some peace of mind when I buy digital contents.

You really don't understand what you are talking about. You can have a EULA without DRM. DRM and EULAs are 2 completely different things. You do not own anything, you only have the right to play without the GOG client. Seriously dude, educate yourself. The EULA is a legal agreement, not mumbo jumbo. They can still disable your game if they feel you've violated the agreement. You can play Steam games without the internet as well, I've done it many times over the years when my internet was down. Holy crap.

"This right can be waived by us in some situations....."

Ignorance isn't piece of mind, it's just ignorance. There is nothing on the GOG site that says you own ANYTHING. They very clearly say that you don't.

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CDP boast about DRM, but then proceed to send out threatening letters directly to peoples doorsteps they are "sure" are pirating. That's worse than DRM, also The Witcher 3 was a shitty console port and heavily overpriced.

Steam4life brah. .

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#62 Legend002
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@heretrix: Yes and that mumble jumbo applies to physical discs too and yet everyone and their grandmas would agree that we own the game when buying a physical game. There is nothing on the game box/retail disc that says you own ANYTHING, see? DRM is to stop shitbags from pirating. On GOG, there is none which moot the point that you have much more control on what you purchased.

Steam is shit. Unfortunately I will have to continue use it for now. *sigh*

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#63 heretrix
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@Legend002 said:

@heretrix: Yes and that mumble jumbo applies to physical discs too and yet everyone and their grandmas would agree that we own the game when buying a physical game. There is nothing on the game box/retail disc that says you own ANYTHING, see? DRM is to stop shitbags from pirating. On GOG, there is none which moot the point that you have much more control on what you purchased.

Steam is shit. Unfortunately I will have to continue use it for now. *sigh*

Just because you refuse to acknowledge that you don't own a retail disk doesn't make it fact, it just makes you ignorant.

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@Gue1 said:

GOG are pro-censorship, so **** them. I rather take a game with DRM than one with no DRM but censored.

Censored? Explain yourself

I want to hear this too. Then again, considering how full of it Gue is.

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#65 Legend002
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@heretrix: Wait, what? You do own your retail discs. That was my point that the EULA mumble jumbo is just that, mumble jumble.

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#66 heretrix
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@Legend002 said:

@heretrix: Wait, what? You do own your retail discs. That was my point that the EULA mumble jumbo is just that, mumble jumble.

Sigh. Whatever dude.

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#67  Edited By illmatic87
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Gue1 isnt exactly off. Of course, GoG dont intentionally want to censor games, because that's stupid. But they arent some beacon of light for free speech and rights like some are led to believe.

Hotline Miami 2 for example is blocked from the GoG storefront for me. I had to get it from the Humble Store, which delivered me a Steam key.

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#68  Edited By Naylord
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I don't want to split my collection into a hydra of services; I will only buy games on Steam and thats it. My GoG and origin games are games I've gotten for free via humble origin bundles or packins or on the house for origin

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#69 FireEmblem_Man
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@Naylord said:

I don't want to split my collection into a hydra of services; I will only buy games on Steam and thats it. My GoG and origin games are games I've gotten for free via humble origin bundles or packins or on the house for origin

Oh well, your loss..... HAIL HYDRA!