why PS Wand =/= Wii remote

everyone thinks the PS wand is a wii remote rip off because it uses a remote and is motion sensing. well here's why it isn't:

NOTE: I do not support motion controls, and i really don't care about Natal, Wii Motion + or PS Wand. Just clearing up facts that people still are confusing (see this thread)

The PS Wand uses the Eye Toy. This means that the camera can sense where the remote is in relation to it. Its different than the wii. On the wii, wherever you stand in relation to the detecctor, it is the same. With PS Wand, standing a little to the right or left moves the item on screen. This is why its good for dual wielding.

Not just motion sensing. The PS Wand in combo with the eye toy uses body sensing too (so its like Wii motion + and natal in one). This means that you can control your full body AND have control of the object on screen with the remote.

Not Infra-Red. The Wii uses IR for motion tracking. PS Wand uses the Eye Toy for precise tracking for things such as writing and other precise movements. The Wii remote isn't as accurate, but that has been 'fixed' with Wii Motion +.

another difference is that its going to completely flop

Both Natal and the Sony Wand are a response to the success of the Nintendo Wii. So, yes it is, essentially, a rip-off.Bentham

another difference is that its going to completely flop

shoryuken_

Oh man, your lucky, I wish I could see into the future...

everyone knows all gaming systems are rip offs of the computers used to decode german enigma codes during WW 2....

[QUOTE="Bentham"]Both Natal and the Sony Wand are a response to the success of the Nintendo Wii. So, yes it is, essentially, a rip-off.SilverChimera

[QUOTE="Bentham"]Both Natal and the Sony Wand are a response to the success of the Nintendo Wii. So, yes it is, essentially, a rip-off.SilverChimera

Well, it does have facial and voice recognitions (Toy Wand), so it's not an exact copy.

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="Bentham"]Both Natal and the Sony Wand are a response to the success of the Nintendo Wii. So, yes it is, essentially, a rip-off.double_heist

and the wand was only a prototype.....forget that?

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="Bentham"]Both Natal and the Sony Wand are a response to the success of the Nintendo Wii. So, yes it is, essentially, a rip-off.Bentham

[QUOTE="Bentham"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"] but its not an exact copy like others suggestCajunShooter

I'm well aware that it is a business practice, and I'm certainly not condemning it--If I am, then please point to where I am, and I will correct myself. Once you are finished being hostile, I will consider having a respectful debate with you regarding the issue.

Im not liking motion controls on the ps3/360 i don't want it to become standard in the future.TR800

I'm not big on all this stuff, if there's a game I want for it, then fine, but I don't care about it conceptually.

Same for NATAL.

NATAL is being marketed to HELL by M$, so fanboys are going crazy, but if you actually watch what people are playing, it's a joke.

Natal's controls are the answer to a problem and question we haven't come up to yet. It's different, but it's not better.

I don't want Minigames on my Wii, PS3, or Natal.

Im not sure if you fully realize how the wii- remote works. For one thing it too uses a camera. Basically, the wii-mote and ps wand use very similar techniques but the execution is just flipped...Also, DO NOT compare the ps eye to natal. Natal is far more advanced than the ps eye..wolverine4262

It's not FAR MORE Advanced, but it is more advanced. The games aren't improving though. Did you watch anyone play any games on it?

Look, he's saying Don't COMPARE teh PSWand to NATAL, compare the PSEye AND PSWand to NATAL.Same for Wii.

You just took the PSWand away from the PSEye, and then promoted NATAL.

Both Natal and the Sony Wand are a response to the success of the Nintendo Wii. So, yes it is, essentially, a rip-off.Bentham

if thats true, tehn nintendo would have sued sony by now..ignorant much.

Im not sure if you fully realize how the wii- remote works. For one thing it too uses a camera. Basically, the wii-mote and ps wand use very similar techniques but the execution is just flipped...Also, DO NOT compare the ps eye to natal. Natal is far more advanced than the ps eye..wolverine4262

I wouldnt say "far more advance" its just and improvment of teh ps eye

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Im not sure if you fully realize how the wii- remote works. For one thing it too uses a camera. Basically, the wii-mote and ps wand use very similar techniques but the execution is just flipped...Also, DO NOT compare the ps eye to natal. Natal is far more advanced than the ps eye..SolidTy

It's not FAR MORE Advanced, did you watch anyone play any games on it?

Look, he's saying Don't COMPARE teh PSWand to NATAL, compare the PSEye AND PSWand to NATAL.Same for Wii.

You just took the PSWand away from the PSEye, and then promoted NATAL.

[QUOTE="Bentham"]Both Natal and the Sony Wand are a response to the success of the Nintendo Wii. So, yes it is, essentially, a rip-off.wonderboy63

if thats true, tehn nintendo would have sued sony by now..ignorant much.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Im not sure if you fully realize how the wii- remote works. For one thing it too uses a camera. Basically, the wii-mote and ps wand use very similar techniques but the execution is just flipped...Also, DO NOT compare the ps eye to natal. Natal is far more advanced than the ps eye..wolverine4262

It's not FAR MORE Advanced, did you watch anyone play any games on it?

Look, he's saying Don't COMPARE teh PSWand to NATAL, compare the PSEye AND PSWand to NATAL.Same for Wii.

You just took the PSWand away from the PSEye, and then promoted NATAL.

[QUOTE="wonderboy63"]

[QUOTE="Bentham"]Both Natal and the Sony Wand are a response to the success of the Nintendo Wii. So, yes it is, essentially, a rip-off.Bentham

if thats true, tehn nintendo would have sued sony by now..ignorant much.

your trying to say that the wand is the exact same thing as the remote, but not as good, thats not true, the pswand has its advantages, like capturing body movment for and rpg, and also its disadvantages.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Im not sure if you fully realize how the wii- remote works. For one thing it too uses a camera. Basically, the wii-mote and ps wand use very similar techniques but the execution is just flipped...Also, DO NOT compare the ps eye to natal. Natal is far more advanced than the ps eye..wolverine4262

It's not FAR MORE Advanced, but it is more advanced. The games aren't improving though. Did you watch anyone play any games on it?

Look, he's saying Don't COMPARE teh PSWand to NATAL, compare the PSEye AND PSWand to NATAL. Same for Wii.

You just took the PSWand away from the PSEye, and then promoted NATAL.

No, it's not the Wii and Natal all in one, if that's what he was saying, that's off. I missed that.

Natal/PSWand are just not interesting to me until I see some great games for it. Until then, I'm skeptical, as I did buy the Eyetoy last gen, and after a few months, never went back to it.

Fool me once, Shame on you.

Fool me Twice, Shame on Me.

Bush sty.le :

Fool me once, Shame on you.

Fool me twice, er...I'll never get fooled again.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

It's not FAR MORE Advanced, did you watch anyone play any games on it?

Look, he's saying Don't COMPARE teh PSWand to NATAL, compare the PSEye AND PSWand to NATAL.Same for Wii.

You just took the PSWand away from the PSEye, and then promoted NATAL.

does it mean it is better then the wand? nowonderboy63

your trying to say that the wand is the exact same thing as the remote, but not as good, thats not true, the pswand has its advantages, like capturing body movment for and rpg, and also its disadvantages.

wonderboy63

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Im not sure if you fully realize how the wii- remote works. For one thing it too uses a camera. Basically, the wii-mote and ps wand use very similar techniques but the execution is just flipped...Also, DO NOT compare the ps eye to natal. Natal is far more advanced than the ps eye..wolverine4262

It's not FAR MORE Advanced, did you watch anyone play any games on it?

Look, he's saying Don't COMPARE teh PSWand to NATAL, compare the PSEye AND PSWand to NATAL.Same for Wii.

You just took the PSWand away from the PSEye, and then promoted NATAL.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

It's not FAR MORE Advanced, did you watch anyone play any games on it?

Look, he's saying Don't COMPARE teh PSWand to NATAL, compare the PSEye AND PSWand to NATAL.Same for Wii.

You just took the PSWand away from the PSEye, and then promoted NATAL.

SilverChimera

No, it's not the Wii and Natal all in one, if that's what he was saying, that's off. I missed that.

Natal/PSWand are just not interesting to me until I see some great games for it. Until then, I'm skeptical, as I did buy the Eyetoy last gen, and after a few months, never went back to it.

Fool me once, Shame on you.

Fool me Twice, Shame on Me.

Bush sty.le :

Fool me once, Shame on you.

Fool me twice, er...I'll never get fooled again.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] actually he specifically said that the wand + the eye is like having a wii-mote and natal all in one... this is not true...far more advanced may be somewhat strong from the few demos we have seen...However, much of the tech behind natal is definitely not featured in the eye themyth01

i never said it was. i said it was body and controller tracking, which it is.

[QUOTE="wonderboy63"]

your trying to say that the wand is the exact same thing as the remote, but not as good, thats not true, the pswand has its advantages, like capturing body movment for and rpg, and also its disadvantages.

Personally I'm sick of ALL the motion sensing things. Unfortunately it's something that's only going to grow more and more in the gaming world.

[QUOTE="Bentham"]

[QUOTE="wonderboy63"]

your trying to say that the wand is the exact same thing as the remote, but not as good, thats not true, the pswand has its advantages, like capturing body movment for and rpg, and also its disadvantages.

savagetwinkie

I'm not saying it's the same. Both Natal and Sony Wand are an extension of The Nintendo Wii remote; they both retain the fundamental ideology of Wii gaming: motion sensing. Microsoft and Sony are releasing these products as a direct response to the success of the Wii. This is my thesis.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Bentham"] Your schtick is getting a bit tiresome. I recommend that you re-read my posts or take a basic reading comprehension class for maximum results.

Bentham

I'm not saying it's the same. Both Natal and Sony Wand are an extension of The Nintendo Wii remote; they both retain the fundamental ideology of Wii gaming: motion sensing. Microsoft and Sony are releasing these products as a direct response to the success of the Wii. This is my thesis.

[QUOTE="Bentham"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] it doesn't really caputre body movement though, it just captures the location of the wii mo... er pswand and color of the ball. You could strap like 50 of them to you so you can get full body movement out of that, but then you have the natal except 50x price of pswand.SilverChimera

I'm not saying it's the same. Both Natal and Sony Wand are an extension of The Nintendo Wii remote; they both retain the fundamental ideology of Wii gaming: motion sensing. Microsoft and Sony are releasing these products as a direct response to the success of the Wii. This is my thesis.

It's an extension of both with the point being that if the Wii was never released, Natal probably wouldn't have been announced.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Bentham"] Your schtick is getting a bit tiresome. I recommend that you re-read my posts or take a basic reading comprehension class for maximum results.

I'm not saying it's the same. Both Natal and Sony Wand are an extension of The Nintendo Wii remote; they both retain the fundamental ideology of Wii gaming: motion sensing. Microsoft and Sony are releasing these products as a direct response to the success of the Wii. This is my thesis.

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]thats understable but from what I saw of the demos, the eye was only able to track the wand...Even if it could do both, natals motion capabilities trounce it...wolverine4262

[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

another difference is that its going to completely flop

Oh man, your lucky, I wish I could see into the future...

[QUOTE="wonderboy63"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"] actually he specifically said that the wand + the eye is like having a wii-mote and natal all in one... this is not true...far more advanced may be somewhat strong from the few demos we have seen...However, much of the tech behind natal is definitely not featured in the eye savagetwinkie

Wow u can say all that from watching somone do it for a few minutes, your like a technolagical genuis

[QUOTE="wonderboy63"]

your trying to say that the wand is the exact same thing as the remote, but not as good, thats not true, the pswand has its advantages, like capturing body movment for and rpg, and also its disadvantages.

Bentham

If thats not what your saying, then tell em why its a ripp-off, what was that u ment to say besides that.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="wonderboy63"] does it mean it is better then the wand? no

Wow u can say all that from watching somone do it for a few minutes, your like a technolagical genuis

Do you have a link because I'm confused. What's the point of the wand if it doesn't use IR sensing? :?

another difference is that its going to completely flop

shoryuken_

i must say i lol'd

on topic:

sony could atlast TRY to make it original by not ripping off the wiimote totally and adding a light ball on top o,o