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#1 Sarge1442
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do you kill my childhood by ruining my memorys of Banjo. PDZ was just like PD 1 ,but christ look what they've done to banjo

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#2 HarlockJC
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Dude don't worry about it. The game will still be good. Sometimes change can be for the better. Why not wait and see what happens.
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do you kill my childhood by ruining my memorys of Banjo. PDZ was just like PD 1 ,but christ look what they've done to banjo

Sarge1442

Why Retro Studios Why

do you kill my childhood by ruining my memories of Metroid. I loved the 2d side scrollers, but christ look what they've done to Metroid

ME talking: See what I did there?

Smae thing. Fanboys were crying cause the series went 3D. What happened? Fanboys got over it when they saw that Metroid Prime was actually a good game.

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#4 NWA_31
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Because you obviously have played the final game and knows that it sucks, right ? ;)
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#5 majadamus
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Mario killer? I think not! :lol:
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#6 -GhostMLD-
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Mario killer? I think not! :lol: majadamus

who said it was a mario killer? doesnt mean it cant be a success.

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#7 Episode_Eve
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Dude don't worry about it. The game will still be good. Sometimes change can be for the better. Why not wait and see what happens. HarlockJC

Change for the better? Banjo Kazooie score 9.5 Tooie scored 9.6. Doesn't get any better than that ;).

I'm not saying it won't be good, but I just doubt Rare will live up to the Banjo name :(.

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#8 BreakingPoint8
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They changed the gameplay, that's expected in a franchise that hasn't had a main release in 8 years. It's still very much Banjo-Kazooie and a platformer, even if it doesn't stick to tradition.

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#9 GARRYTH
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[QUOTE="Sarge1442"]

do you kill my childhood by ruining my memorys of Banjo. PDZ was just like PD 1 ,but christ look what they've done to banjo

-GhostMLD-

Why Retro Studios Why

do you kill my childhood by ruining my memories of Metroid. I loved the 2d side scrollers, but christ look what they've done to Metroid

ME talking: See what I did there?

Smae thing. Fanboys were crying cause the series went 3D. What happened? Fanboys got over it when they saw that Metroid Prime was actually a good game.

Which is why super metriod is still the best metriod ever. it still one of my favorite games. see what i did there.
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#10 -GhostMLD-
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[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"][QUOTE="Sarge1442"]

do you kill my childhood by ruining my memorys of Banjo. PDZ was just like PD 1 ,but christ look what they've done to banjo

GARRYTH

Why Retro Studios Why

do you kill my childhood by ruining my memories of Metroid. I loved the 2d side scrollers, but christ look what they've done to Metroid

ME talking: See what I did there?

Smae thing. Fanboys were crying cause the series went 3D. What happened? Fanboys got over it when they saw that Metroid Prime was actually a good game.

Which is why super metriod is still the best metriod ever. it still one of my favorite games. see what i did there.

u sir, missed the point

Metroid prime took the series in a new direction but was still a success and was well received. The metroid fanboys were just like the rare fanboys today.

Banjo nuts n bolts may not be the series at its roots, but it can still be a success, just like Metroid Prime, that was the point.

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#11 akif22
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PDZ wasn't like PD1!

IMO, that change is worse than this one

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#12 typevuspecII
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PDZ was just like PD 1

Sarge1442

What are you talking about! PDZ was NOTHING like PD... PD was a masterpiece of a game that I loved and played over and over. PDZ was absolute garbage that I struggled to finish once and upon purchased I planned to keep but upon playing I got rid of it as soon as I could. I lost faith in Rare's quality in games at that point.

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#13 BreakingPoint8
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[QUOTE="Sarge1442"]

PDZ was just like PD 1

typevuspecII

What are you talking about! PDZ was NOTHING like PD... PD was a masterpiece of a game that I loved and played over and over. PDZ was absolute garbage that I struggled to finish once and upon purchased I planned to keep but upon playing I got rid of it as soon as I could. I lost faith in Rare's quality in games at that point.

Different teams entirely, and Perfect Dark Zero had a lot of potential, if you want to place the blame somewhere point at Microsoft for forcing RARE to rush the title out for launch.
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#14 GARRYTH
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[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"][QUOTE="Sarge1442"]

do you kill my childhood by ruining my memorys of Banjo. PDZ was just like PD 1 ,but christ look what they've done to banjo

-GhostMLD-

Why Retro Studios Why

do you kill my childhood by ruining my memories of Metroid. I loved the 2d side scrollers, but christ look what they've done to Metroid

ME talking: See what I did there?

Smae thing. Fanboys were crying cause the series went 3D. What happened? Fanboys got over it when they saw that Metroid Prime was actually a good game.

Which is why super metriod is still the best metriod ever. it still one of my favorite games. see what i did there.

u sir, missed the point

Metroid prime took the series in a new direction but was still a success and was well received. The metroid fanboys were just like the rare fanboys today.

Banjo nuts n bolts may not be the series at its roots, but it can still be a success, just like Metroid Prime, that was the point.

the thing is retro took out the platforming in metriod which = a good fps non-metriod game. it is not metriod with out the platforming elements just like banjo. why can't people be depressed about this because they took a platforming element to a driving/flight ect. type game. please don't say it is not a driving game because there are no racing going because i drive to work every morning with out racing. these fans like the caracter for what he does ect. not what a car jet ect. does. to me they took the fame away from the main caracter. fans want a true banjo game not a new and totally differant game. yes the driving elements are cool but to do 80% of the time just seems boring to me. that like epic making gears a fps in the second one the fans would go bonkers.
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#15 darcom1
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[QUOTE="Sarge1442"]

do you kill my childhood by ruining my memorys of Banjo. PDZ was just like PD 1 ,but christ look what they've done to banjo

-GhostMLD-

Why Retro Studios Why

do you kill my childhood by ruining my memories of Metroid. I loved the 2d side scrollers, but christ look what they've done to Metroid

ME talking: See what I did there?

Smae thing. Fanboys were crying cause the series went 3D. What happened? Fanboys got over it when they saw that Metroid Prime was actually a good game.

not all fans were happy ........ i don't like the prime series .... zero nada nothing bal bal 0

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#16 angryfodder
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LOL - RIP Rare mate! Todays is NOT yesterdays rare. Rare is a name, nothing else. The dream team that bought us golden eye (and a whole host of other pricess N64 GAMES) bailed years ago.

Rare died like 10? years ago.

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#17 gensigns
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do you kill my childhood by ruining my memorys of Banjo.

Sarge1442

Don't worry too much - you've most likely got lots of your childhood left to go...

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#18 SecretPolice
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LOL - RIP Rare mate! Todays is NOT yesterdays rare. Rare is a name, nothing else. The dream team that bought us golden eye (and a whole host of other pricess N64 GAMES) bailed years ago.

Rare died like 10? years ago.

angryfodder

Yeah, this new Rare :lol: only gave us 360 owners AAA, AA, AA with Banjo N&B and V.P. 2 on the way all in this gen. and most are unique innovative titles !

If they are dead then name me another dev. that has delivered as much this gen. ! :twisted:

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#19 organic_machine
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LOL - RIP Rare mate! Todays is NOT yesterdays rare. Rare is a name, nothing else. The dream team that bought us golden eye (and a whole host of other pricess N64 GAMES) bailed years ago.

Rare died like 10? years ago.

angryfodder

That "dream team" is bringing you Haze...

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#20 Jacboy71
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[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

LOL - RIP Rare mate! Todays is NOT yesterdays rare. Rare is a name, nothing else. The dream team that bought us golden eye (and a whole host of other pricess N64 GAMES) bailed years ago.

Rare died like 10? years ago.

organic_machine

That "dream team" is bringing you Haze...

Lol zing!!!

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What has rare brought the 360 - i'll see if I can bach the titles. PDZ was an over rated joke. I likes the shinyness and the fact he SE version I had came in the metal case, the game engine was basic beyond belief though.

What else has rare brought to the table? (thats a genuine question - not a "bashing" statement)

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#22 angryfodder
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[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

LOL - RIP Rare mate! Todays is NOT yesterdays rare. Rare is a name, nothing else. The dream team that bought us golden eye (and a whole host of other pricess N64 GAMES) bailed years ago.

Rare died like 10? years ago.

organic_machine

That "dream team" is bringing you Haze...

not me - i don't have a ps3 on the bases that the ps3 is rubbish.

also, haze is not out. I can only comment on the screen shots that look like they have been lifted from halo 3.

If the game is good, fair play - i am not against good games.

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#23 SecretPolice
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What has rare brought the 360 - i'll see if I can bach the titles. PDZ was an over rated joke. I likes the shinyness and the fact he SE version I had came in the metal case, the game engine was basic beyond belief though.

What else has rare brought to the table? (thats a genuine question - not a "bashing" statement)

angryfodder

IYO, right because anyone can say any game sucks but the fact is, here it's AAA !

PDZ & Kameo at launch with V.P. that makes AAA, AA, AA with Banjo 3 & V.P. 2 on the way this year !

Now again I ask because you say Rare is dead - name me a dev. that has delivered as much this gen.

PS: I expect at least one of those two on the way to be AAA, and the other to be at least AA or maybe both AAA ! :D

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#24 angryfodder
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[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

What has rare brought the 360 - i'll see if I can bach the titles. PDZ was an over rated joke. I likes the shinyness and the fact he SE version I had came in the metal case, the game engine was basic beyond belief though.

What else has rare brought to the table? (thats a genuine question - not a "bashing" statement)

SecretPolice

IYO, right because anyone can say any game sucks but the fact is, here it's AAA !

PDZ & Kameo at launch with V.P. that makes AAA, AA, AA with Banjo 3 & V.P. 2 on the way this year !

Now again I ask because you say Rare is dead - name me a dev. that has delivered as much this gen.

PS: I expect at least one of those two on the way to be AAA, and the other to be at least AA or maybe both AAA ! :D

Whats VP?

I'll forgive you this once for metioning kameo.

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[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

LOL - RIP Rare mate! Todays is NOT yesterdays rare. Rare is a name, nothing else. The dream team that bought us golden eye (and a whole host of other pricess N64 GAMES) bailed years ago.

Rare died like 10? years ago.

SecretPolice

Yeah, this new Rare :lol: only gave us 360 owners AAA, AA, AA with Banjo N&B and V.P. 2 on the way all in this gen. and most are unique innovative titles !

If they are dead then name me another dev. that has delivered as much this gen. ! :twisted:

nintendo. galaxy (9.5), brawl (9.5), mario kart (8.5), twilight princess (8.8), metroid prime 3 (8.5), super paper mario (8.8)
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#26 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]

LOL - RIP Rare mate! Todays is NOT yesterdays rare. Rare is a name, nothing else. The dream team that bought us golden eye (and a whole host of other pricess N64 GAMES) bailed years ago.

Rare died like 10? years ago.

darth-pyschosis

Yeah, this new Rare :lol: only gave us 360 owners AAA, AA, AA with Banjo N&B and V.P. 2 on the way all in this gen. and most are unique innovative titles !

If they are dead then name me another dev. that has delivered as much this gen. ! :twisted:

nintendo. galaxy (9.5), brawl (9.5), mario kart (8.5), twilight princess (8.8), metroid prime 3 (8.5), super paper mario (8.8)

Thank you very much as that was the answer I was waiting for. :D

Puts this dead Rare in very good company, wouldn't you say ?

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#27 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]

What has rare brought the 360 - i'll see if I can bach the titles. PDZ was an over rated joke. I likes the shinyness and the fact he SE version I had came in the metal case, the game engine was basic beyond belief though.

What else has rare brought to the table? (thats a genuine question - not a "bashing" statement)

angryfodder

IYO, right because anyone can say any game sucks but the fact is, here it's AAA !

PDZ & Kameo at launch with V.P. that makes AAA, AA, AA with Banjo 3 & V.P. 2 on the way this year !

Now again I ask because you say Rare is dead - name me a dev. that has delivered as much this gen.

PS: I expect at least one of those two on the way to be AAA, and the other to be at least AA or maybe both AAA ! :D

Whats VP?

I'll forgive you this once for metioning kameo.

First off Viva Pinata and Kameo & PDZ were a launch titles in 2005 !

Sure it would be easy to say Condemned ( great game ) is mediocre compared to today's offerings but in 2005 when these game were available and reviewed is the salient point here as how would you like a favorite game of yours in 2005 being reviewed against games just now being launched - Fair ?

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#28 angryfodder
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[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]

What has rare brought the 360 - i'll see if I can bach the titles. PDZ was an over rated joke. I likes the shinyness and the fact he SE version I had came in the metal case, the game engine was basic beyond belief though.

What else has rare brought to the table? (thats a genuine question - not a "bashing" statement)

SecretPolice

IYO, right because anyone can say any game sucks but the fact is, here it's AAA !

PDZ & Kameo at launch with V.P. that makes AAA, AA, AA with Banjo 3 & V.P. 2 on the way this year !

Now again I ask because you say Rare is dead - name me a dev. that has delivered as much this gen.

PS: I expect at least one of those two on the way to be AAA, and the other to be at least AA or maybe both AAA ! :D

Whats VP?

I'll forgive you this once for metioning kameo.

First off Viva Pinata and Kameo & PDZ were a launch titles in 2005 !

Sure it would be easy to say Condemned ( great game ) is mediocre compared to today's offerings but in 2005 when these game were available and reviewed is the salient point here as how would you like a favorite game of yours in 2005 being reviewed against games just now being launched - Fair ?

Yeah thats great - now compare those "awesome" rare games to what rare brought to the n64 mate. pwned.

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#29 darth-pyschosis
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[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]

LOL - RIP Rare mate! Todays is NOT yesterdays rare. Rare is a name, nothing else. The dream team that bought us golden eye (and a whole host of other pricess N64 GAMES) bailed years ago.

Rare died like 10? years ago.

SecretPolice

Yeah, this new Rare :lol: only gave us 360 owners AAA, AA, AA with Banjo N&B and V.P. 2 on the way all in this gen. and most are unique innovative titles !

If they are dead then name me another dev. that has delivered as much this gen. ! :twisted:

nintendo. galaxy (9.5), brawl (9.5), mario kart (8.5), twilight princess (8.8), metroid prime 3 (8.5), super paper mario (8.8)

Thank you very much as that was the answer I was waiting for. :D

Puts this dead Rare in very good company, wouldn't you say ?

honestly i think it makes things worse for rare 3 games in 3 years? if u was MS i'd be upset. nitendo gave us all those games in around a year and a half . what bout capcom? okami, zack & wiki, dead rising, lost planet, DMC4, with SF 4, and RE5 closing the year i would pick them over rare
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#30 organic_machine
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Yeah thats great - now compare those "awesome" rare games to what rare brought to the n64 mate. pwned.

angryfodder

I may get killed for saying this, but does anyone else think that Goldeneye is overrated? Because it clearly is. It's nearly unplayable and it was completely surpassed by Perfect Dark. In fact, everything Golden Eye did, Perfect Dark did better. Everything. Goldeneye was COMPLETELY surpassed in every way.

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#31 SecretPolice
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Fine, but at least I think we now can say Rare is living and breathing. :)

Let's not get carried - it's a very short list of dev's that can boast about doing more this gen. !

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#32 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

Yeah thats great - now compare those "awesome" rare games to what rare brought to the n64 mate. pwned.

organic_machine

I may get killed for saying this, but does anyone else think that Goldeneye is overrated? Because it clearly is. It's nearly unplayable and it was completely surpassed by Perfect Dark. In fact, everything Golden Eye did, Perfect Dark did better. Everything. Goldeneye was COMPLETELY surpassed in every way.

Nah - G.E. was great for it's time - also to the other guy:

You do the leg work and report back here of the comparison to the Rare of the N64 days. ;)

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#33 Big_Boss465
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Why is it that gamers, of all people, are so scared of change? I think the platforming in Nuts and Bolts could be a lot of fun. I'd rather see the game try to evolve and retain some of the same elements as the original, than stay exactly the same as it was two generations ago. The reason Banjo 3 is getting ripped is the exact opposite reason Halo 3 was bashed. You guys aren't happy when a game tries to do something different or when a game fine tunes the things it does well. I'm not saying Nuts and Bolts will be amazing or not, but we should give it a chance before bashing something brand new. I probably shouldn't leave that Halo 3 mention in here because replies will focus heavily on it, but oh well, I feel it is valid. It just further goes to show that people need something to constantly whine about.
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#34 angryfodder
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[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

Yeah thats great - now compare those "awesome" rare games to what rare brought to the n64 mate. pwned.

organic_machine

I may get killed for saying this, but does anyone else think that Goldeneye is overrated? Because it clearly is. It's nearly unplayable and it was completely surpassed by Perfect Dark. In fact, everything Golden Eye did, Perfect Dark did better. Everything. Goldeneye was COMPLETELY surpassed in every way.

I felt that perfect dark was weaker that golden eye. Great game - but, personal opinion was that the alien thing was a bit...erm...rubbish.

Golden eye was great on too many levels, and I still rarely see things like the hit detection and inimation of golden eye carried across into modern gaming. its a shame.

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#35 organic_machine
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[QUOTE="organic_machine"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]

Yeah thats great - now compare those "awesome" rare games to what rare brought to the n64 mate. pwned.

angryfodder

I may get killed for saying this, but does anyone else think that Goldeneye is overrated? Because it clearly is. It's nearly unplayable and it was completely surpassed by Perfect Dark. In fact, everything Golden Eye did, Perfect Dark did better. Everything. Goldeneye was COMPLETELY surpassed in every way.

I felt that perfect dark was weaker that golden eye. Great game - but, personal opinion was that the alien thing was a bit...erm...rubbish.

Golden eye was great on too many levels, and I still rarely see things like the hit detection and inimation of golden eye carried across into modern gaming. its a shame.

Perfect Dark was better. It had WAY more features. It had a full multiplayer. It had easily 20 times the amount of options that GE had. That 20 times is not an exaggeratiuon. Perhaps it's more. But, honestly, "Aliens" and "Ge felt so badass" can't possibly make GE a better agme. It only makes you sound ignorant.

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#36 angryfodder
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Fine, but at least I think we now can say Rare is living and breathing. :)

SecretPolice

To be honest I was never ment to bash "new rare"

My point was more that rare as we knew has moved on.

Alot of people were wainting on a golden eye two after the ending credits of golden eye..."james bond will return"

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#37 WilliamRLBaker
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What did you guys expect? do you actually think regular platformers sell well on systemsoutside of nintendo? nearly every platoformer that released on xbox and or ps2 that didn't have guns in it or something sold badly and scored badly.

I mean hell!?!!!? look at JAK and DAXTER the first game started out as your all most regular platformer and then it turned into a freaking GTA clone. (i thought Jak and Daxter the precursor legacy was vastly better then jak 2 and 3)

Dont be suprised when a platformer has to be upgraded just to be competititive i mean hell the last truely good traditional platformer *psychonauts* sold like crap yet it scored highly cause it was that good...