Why red dead redemption is not coming to pc this year (someones blog)

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="alextherussian"] How do you know this? How could you know this or prove this in any way? alexside1

Because tons of developers worth their salt have stated this....

Umm the only reason there are blockbuster exclusives on consoles is because MS and Sony make it happen, those don't come from the goodness of the devs hearts. There is no one like that on PC.... and even with that the PC still gets alot of blockbuster exclusives..

Why does this so called blog writer not check his links before posting them as evidence for what he is saying ?

He says WoG has a 90% piracy rate, though when you follow the link it says about 90% or to be more specific: 82%.

He says GTA IV sold badly on PC but follow the link ... lol.

R4gn4r0k

Well in all honestly 82% more than proves the point anything over 3-5% is absolutely terrible and 82% is flat out ridiculous, so in this situation the 90% compared to 82% argument is rather irrelevant, seeing how they are both so far over what is an acceptable number.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]How do you know? Why is everyone making these grand sweeping generalisations? Espada12

Because that's what they stated?

"by the way, just in case it's not 100% clear, we're not angry about piracy, we still think that DRM is a waste of time and money, we don't think that we're losing sales due to piracy, and we have no intention of trying to fight it."

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/15/world-of-goo-piracy-rate-82/

There's always gonna be piracy. It's easier to sit in your chair and click on a torrent than it is to spend money. I only agree with piracy of older games, I mean if someone like Black Isle isn't getting the money from their games any more then go ahead and pirate a game from them for all I care.Parasomniac

[QUOTE="pelvist"]If they took the time to make a decent port in the first place and not force people to install and register to 2 seperate programs and have them running in the background at the same time just to play the game then people may have been more inclined to buy it. Every time a game has poor sales on PC piracy is to blame. Could it be that the game just sucked or did not work like it should have done in the first place? No, the person doesnt have a point, hes just repeating what every other console fanboy 'thinks' of PC gaming.

alextherussian

How is this not an issue? You are with your statement saying Piracy is ok because developers dont put enough effort into making their games function and work properly. If a game has poor sales yes the quality is too blame, but dont be fooled into thinking that a good portion of those who downloaded it or bought it on the street where not actual potential consumers, they were interested enough to find the game and give it a go in the first place.

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Saying piracy is not an issue in gaming is akin to saying downloading is not an issue in the music industry. Piracy is a global issue as well which is clear as day if you have a walk around certain parts of Asia, Europe and Africa. Why do you think developers are spending time and money on DRM and its kin? Why do you think there is an understanding of need to be online to play? Why do CD keys exist in the first place? These are all means of protection, and if protection was not an issue such barriers would not need to exist...

Why dont you show me where I said piracy wasnt an issue? While your at it show me where I said it was ok to pirate a game if it sucks or doest work as it should? You cant can you? Because I didnt... What I implied was: 'Just because a game doesnt sell well doesnt mean its all down to piracy'. Although im pretty sure these reasons do contribute to why a lot of people do pirate their games, it also contributes to why they dont care about playing the game at all, pirated or not.

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]There's always gonna be piracy. It's easier to sit in your chair and click on a torrent than it is to spend money. I only agree with piracy of older games, I mean if someone like Black Isle isn't getting the money from their games any more then go ahead and pirate a game from them for all I care.alexside1

[QUOTE="pelvist"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

It's obvious that you never read the entire blog nor the title I wrote. Opinions? They why have system wars if it's options based?

alexside1

Well its obviously obvious when I quite obviously pointed out that I read all that I needed to read obviously... Wasnt that obvious to you?

You need to stop making assumptions based on some random blog owners opinions...

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]How do you know? Why is everyone making these grand sweeping generalisations? locopatho

Because that's what they stated?

"by the way, just in case it's not 100% clear, we're not angry about piracy, we still think that DRM is a waste of time and money, we don't think that we're losing sales due to piracy, and we have no intention of trying to fight it."

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/15/world-of-goo-piracy-rate-82/

I know alot of people who pirate and if they can't pirate it they won't bother with it.. explain that! I mean if you could explain why pc games sell so well yet they can be so easily pirated, I'd probably be able to explain your situation.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Why does this so called blog writer not check his links before posting them as evidence for what he is saying ?

He says WoG has a 90% piracy rate, though when you follow the link it says about 90% or to be more specific: 82%.

He says GTA IV sold badly on PC but follow the link ... lol.

TacticalDesire

Well in all honestly 82% more than proves the point anything over 3-5% is absolutely terrible and 82% is flat out ridiculous, so in this situation the 90% compared to 82% argument is rather irrelevant, seeing how they are both so far over what is an acceptable number.

Why dont you show me where I said piracy wasnt an issue? While your at it show me where I said it was ok to pirate a game if it sucks or doest work as it should? You cant can you? Because I didnt... What I implied was: 'Just because a game doesnt sell well doesnt mean its all down to piracy'. Although im pretty sure these reasons do contribute to why a lot of people do pirate their games, it also contributes to why they dont care about playing the game at all, pirated or not.

pelvist

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Because that's what they stated?

"by the way, just in case it's not 100% clear, we're not angry about piracy, we still think that DRM is a waste of time and money, we don't think that we're losing sales due to piracy, and we have no intention of trying to fight it."

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/15/world-of-goo-piracy-rate-82/

Espada12

I know alot of people who pirate and if they can't pirate it they won't bother with it.. explain that! I mean if you could explain why pc games sell so well yet they can be so easily pirated, I'd probably be able to explain your situation.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Because tons of developers worth their salt have stated this....

Espada12

Umm the only reason there are blockbuster exclusives on consoles is because MS and Sony make it happen, There is no one like that on PC.

... and even with that the PC still gets alot of blockbuster exclusives..

Really then? List the games that are releases during this year. (Indy games do not count)

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="pelvist"]

Well its obviously obvious when I quite obviously pointed out that I read all that I needed to read obviously... Wasnt that obvious to you?

pelvist

You need to stop making assumptions based on some random blog owners opinions...

I don't even know what your point is? My point is that where the "free" version is super easy to obtain, many people will logically go for it. Whereas if you gotta pay, many (obviously not all) people who would have gotten the free version will pay. What's so controversial about that?locopatho

Because you are wrong.... which is why I told you to explain my point.... Wii games are very easy to pirate, so then why do they still sell well? I mean if everyone followed your train of thought wouldn't all wii games be sales flops?

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"] There's always gonna be piracy. It's easier to sit in your chair and click on a torrent than it is to spend money. I only agree with piracy of older games, I mean if someone like Black Isle isn't getting the money from their games any more then go ahead and pirate a game from them for all I care. alexside1

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

I don't even know what your point is? My point is that where the "free" version is super easy to obtain, many people will logically go for it. Whereas if you gotta pay, many (obviously not all) people who would have gotten the free version will pay. What's so controversial about that?Espada12

Because you are wrong.... which is why I told you to explain my point.... Wii games are very easy to pirate, so then why do they still sell well? I mean if everyone followed your train of thought wouldn't all wii games be sales flops?

Really then? List the games that are releases during this year. (Indy games do not count)

alexside1

CIV 5, Starcraft 2 and World of Warcraft Cataclysm. Napolean Total War, Dawn of War 2:Chaos Rising, Stalker:COP and Arma 2:OAH and I see you couldn't address my first point, all you said was wrong and didn't even back up why you did....

Then why aren't they're many blockbuster pc excuses. S

alexside1

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Umm the only reason there are blockbuster exclusives on consoles is because MS and Sony make it happen, There is no one like that on PC.alexside1

Really? Then name all those big budgeted exclusives that will apear this year on consoles that weren't financed by MS or Sony? That will prove Espada12 is wrong and you seem so sure that it should be easy job.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="alextherussian"] How do you know this? How could you know this or prove this in any way? alexside1

Because tons of developers worth their salt have stated this....

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

Really then? List the games that are releases during this year. (Indy games do not count)

Espada12

CIV 5, Starcraft 2 and World of Warcraft Cataclysm. Napolean Total War, Dawn of War 2:Chaos Rising, Stalker:COP and Arma 2:OAH and I see you couldn't address my first point, all you said was wrong and didn't even back up why you did....

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

Really then? List the games that are releases during this year. (Indy games do not count)

alexside1

CIV 5, Starcraft 2 and World of Warcraft Cataclysm. Napolean Total War, Dawn of War 2:Chaos Rising, Stalker:COP and Arma 2:OAH and I see you couldn't address my first point, all you said was wrong and didn't even back up why you did....

How about you compare those games with this year and see if you notice anything....

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

I don't even know what your point is? My point is that where the "free" version is super easy to obtain, many people will logically go for it. Whereas if you gotta pay, many (obviously not all) people who would have gotten the free version will pay. What's so controversial about that?Espada12

Because you are wrong.... which is why I told you to explain my point.... Wii games are very easy to pirate, so then why do they still sell well? I mean if everyone followed your train of thought wouldn't all wii games be sales flops?

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Umm the only reason there are blockbuster exclusives on consoles is because MS and Sony make it happen, There is no one like that on PC.AdrianWerner

Really? Then name all those big budgeted exclusives that will apear this year on consoles that weren't financed by MS or Sony? That will prove Espada12 is wrong and you seem so sure that it should be easy job.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

CIV 5, Starcraft 2 and World of Warcraft Cataclysm. Napolean Total War, Dawn of War 2:Chaos Rising, Stalker:COP and Arma 2:OAH and I see you couldn't address my first point, all you said was wrong and didn't even back up why you did....

Espada12

How about you compare those games with this year and see if you notice anything....

How do you know they are finaced by MS or Sony, just becuase they're are publisers, dons't nessarly mean they fianced it.alexside1

Think about it, you have problems naming any exclusives planned by 3rd party publishers, ie..those companies who just want to make money on games, they have no agenda of promoting the hardware.

So if consoles are doing so well..why are no publishers actualy interested in making blockbuster exclusives for them?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

I don't even know what your point is? My point is that where the "free" version is super easy to obtain, many people will logically go for it. Whereas if you gotta pay, many (obviously not all) people who would have gotten the free version will pay. What's so controversial about that?locopatho

Because you are wrong.... which is why I told you to explain my point.... Wii games are very easy to pirate, so then why do they still sell well? I mean if everyone followed your train of thought wouldn't all wii games be sales flops?

I said, if everyone had your train of thought .. I.e go for the free super easy to obtain version then all wii games would be sales flops.....look I'm not going to say ALL pirates wouldn't pay but I will say most of them wouldn't. I doubt a pirate would even buy a PS3 if he intended to pirate console games.

Hey I not the one who defends the pc, so the duty is yours.alexside1

Duty is mine to do what? Why are you telling me compare last year and 08?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I wouldn't say it's a load of nonsense necessarily. The person has a point. Why should Rockstar (or any game company for that matter) bother with porting their games over to PC when most users are going to pirate it?

AdrianWerner

And who's to say they will make their time and money back on a port? Rockstar are professionals, they didn't get to where they were by luck alone. If they thought they would benefit from a port they would do so, but obviously they feel it would not be worth the effort at the time of release. Money is not the only required resource, even if they made a profit it may not be worth it for a company that can spend time making something that will earn an even greater profit. So actually they care about more than just how much it will sell. It's not as if they are getting money from it being exclusive either, it's not exclusive, so the only conclusion is that they feel it wont be worth it.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Because you are wrong.... which is why I told you to explain my point.... Wii games are very easy to pirate, so then why do they still sell well? I mean if everyone followed your train of thought wouldn't all wii games be sales flops?

Espada12

I said, if everyone had your train of thought .. I.e go for the free super easy to obtain version then all wii games would be sales flops.....look I'm not going to say ALL pirates wouldn't pay but I will say most of them wouldn't. I doubt a pirate would even buy a PS3 if he intended to pirate console games.

*snip*AdrianWerner

And who's to say they will make their time and money back on a port?

WasntAvailable

And sure devs also value their time, so they might think it makes more sense to put those resources into new console project instead of porting an old one to PC. It's perfectly reasonable way of doing business. That's afterall exactly what Blizzard is doing, their ports would most likely be profitable, but they figured out it just makes more sense for them to put those resources into PC projects.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

And who's to say they will make their time and money back on a port?

AdrianWerner

And sure devs also value their time, so they might think it makes more sense to put those resources into new console project instead of porting an old one to PC.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]*snip*alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]*snip*AdrianWerner

Amusing the ports to the consoles tend to be more profitable than the PC version. ( which apparently this user doesn't realize that fact.)

alexside1

Unless you've meant not ports, but original multiplats, those designed from the start withmultiple platforms in mind. But even there console version being more profitable isn't always a rule.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

And who's to say they will make their time and money back on a port?

alexside1

And sure devs also value their time, so they might think it makes more sense to put those resources into new console project instead of porting an old one to PC.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] I just recently went through the posts in this thread and realize theirs a misconception between us ( and embarrassingly myself), the thing that I'm calling it wrong is the fact their aren't any PC publishers that make blockbuster exclusives (IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF PC GAMING)alexside1

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

And who's to say they will make their time and money back on a port?

AdrianWerner

And sure devs also value their time, so they might think it makes more sense to put those resources into new console project instead of porting an old one to PC. It's perfectly reasonable way of doing business. That's afterall exactly what Blizzard is doing, their ports would most likely be profitable, but they figured out it just makes more sense for them to put those resources into PC projects.

Sorry, I thought you were saying it would make more sense for Rockstar to port the game and it would be unprofessional for them not to do so.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

Amusing the ports to the consoles tend to be more profitable than the PC version. ( which apparently this user doesn't realize that fact.)

AdrianWerner

Unless you've meant not ports, but original multiplats, those designed from the start withmultiple platforms in mind. But even there console version being more profitable isn't always a rule.

I can't find the sales figures on google, but I can tell you the list of pc to console ports. Keyword "tend".

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Of course. THat's what I meant...their decision depends on whatever porting is based on potential profitablity, not on ego bruised by pirates.

And sure devs also value their time, so they might think it makes more sense to put those resources into new console project instead of porting an old one to PC.R4gn4r0k

When you port gta4 over to the pc 6 months late and make it harder to run than Crysis, that'll give you poor sales. Plus that post showing gta4 sales is from 08 and puts gta4 up against wow and sims, plus retail.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

How is that a fact ?

alexside1

Try re-reading it.alexside1

you will need to, because it is pure jibberish I'm afraid :)

AdrianWerner

TL;DR

but Rockstar themselves said they wouldn't bring RDR to PC because Red Dead Revolver never went to PC

88mphSlayer

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"] I never said it was a "fact" I said the word "tend" which apparently no one notices it >_>

R4gn4r0k

Try re-reading it.alexside1

When you port gta4 over to the pc 6 months late and make it harder to run than Crysis, that'll give you poor sales. Plus that post showing gta4 sales is from 08 and puts gta4 up against wow and sims, plus retail.

SAGE_OF_FIRE

There's always gonna be piracy. It's easier to sit in your chair and click on a torrent than it is to spend money. I only agree with piracy of older games, I mean if someone like Black Isle isn't getting the money from their games any more then go ahead and pirate a game from them for all I care.Parasomniac

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

Amusing the ports to the consoles tend to be more profitable than the PC version. ( which apparently this user doesn't realize that fact.)

alexside1

Unless you've meant not ports, but original multiplats, those designed from the start withmultiple platforms in mind. But even there console version being more profitable isn't always a rule.

I can't find the sales figures on google, but I can tell you the list of pc to console ports. Keyword "tend".