Why so much denial (MGS4 related)?

Why so much denial that MGS4 is an amazing game? I hear people claiming they've played it. Really now?

These are the same people that hate the PS3 with a passion. They say the cut scenes are long. Any reviewer will say that the cut scenes in MGS4 are at perfect length. Obviously, if you people understood the story, you would love every second of the cut scenes. Too bad you don't. This is another reason why MGS4 will never appear on the 360, 360 owners don't understand the game or the story.

Now, they say that there's no gameplay in MGS4. Surely you have to be an idiot to say that. The game has a lot of gameplay. 75% of the game is gameplay. There's amazing infiltration missions where you need to get somewhere. You can go anyway you want, but I prefer taking my time doing it stealthy. There's huge boss battles that are amazing. And everything you can ever wish for. Saying MGS4 has too many cut scenes shows your ignorance of understanding of the game.

Secondly, the graphics. I see people here comparing the graphics saying they suck. First of all, MGS4 needs to be experienced in motion and you will be amazed by the game. Secondly, the cut scenes run in real time, no CGI.

I just hate it when people here claim they've played it, say it sucks when they don't understand what kind of game it is. Honestly 360 fanboys, why so much denial? Just because it's never coming to your console it automatically sucks? A certain 360 fanboy who we all know refers himself to "Lemming General" has stated this. I find it sad.

A certain 360 fanboy who we all know refers himself to "Lemming General" has stated this. I find it sad.

Albanian_Killa

I think he actually takes pride in that.

They just wish it was on the 360. Who can blame them? It's an amazing game. But its exclusive and thus will be thrown many amounts of envy upon it.

I really hate when people throw around that tired " You don't like the story because it's too complicated for you!". People need to realize that not everyone in the gaming world has to like MGS4 or appreciate its story just because you do.KD-Archangel

That's true. But you can always skip the cut-scenes if you like, and if you don't understand the story prior to MGS4, watch the GT metal gear retrospective videos.

I really hate when people throw around that tired " You don't like the story because it's too complicated for you!". People need to realize that not everyone in the gaming world has to like MGS4 or appreciate its story just because you do.KD-Archangel

If MGS got a 8.0 or something like that. Lemmings would be laughing its a flop, PS3 is dead, and it is clearly official nothing can save the PS3 and keep on talking about how it was a major flop.

But it got a 10, so they are trying to spin things to make it look undeserving of a 10 when they have not clearly played it and hope it comes to the 360.

Yea not everyone will like MGS 4 but fanboys who have not played it should not spin it around.

TO MGS4 fans:

stop crying and go play your game.

that is all.

Why so much denial that MGS4 is an amazing game? I hear people claiming they've played it. Really now?

Albanian_Killa

And there is the same denial about Halo 3, Gears of War, GTA IV, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted...........

Sorry, but logic just doesn't stand a chance against fanboy insanity. There's nothing you can logically say that will just get them to outright admit what we all know is true, they want this game on their system. But since it isn't, it's better to rip on the game & act like it's a piece of crap so that they can try & make themselves feel better about not being able to play it.

Personally, I think the game should go multiplat, then everyone can play this masterpiece & the "haters" can stop with the nonsense & enjoy what is easily one of the best games released so far this gen.

Well whenever an amazing game comes out for one system other fanboys will say its rubbish. The funny thing with MGS4 is that a fanboy will say the game is rubbish, then make a thread about how it could come to the 360.

Its just jelousy, thats all.

[QUOTE="KD-Archangel"]I really hate when people throw around that tired " You don't like the story because it's too complicated for you!". People need to realize that not everyone in the gaming world has to like MGS4 or appreciate its story just because you do.ChrnoTrigger

That's true. But you can always skip the cut-scenes if you like, and if you don't understand the story prior to MGS4, watch the GT metal gear retrospective videos.

[QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"]

Why so much denial that MGS4 is an amazing game? I hear people claiming they've played it. Really now?

SpruceCaboose

And there is the same denial about Halo 3, Gears of War, GTA IV, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted...........

Well at least the GS is teh biased! GS is paid by Microsoft! But teh lemmingspot! Crap is over. MGS4 has been embarassing cows and lemmings a like and you know what I wouldn't have it any other way. I hear its good so anyone with a PS3 def shouldn't miss out.

I played the game and loved it (definitely one of my favorite games ever), but I'll have to stop you there. It is about 50% gameplay. It took me about 17ish hours to finish it on normal and there are about 8 hours of cutscenes.Mochyc

lol. i agree. there are alot of cut-scenes as far as im concerned.

last time i played, i loaded up my game at the Act 3 boss-fight, it took about 20 minutes for the battle, then it was followed by about an hour of cutscenes... thats just way too much.

[QUOTE="Mochyc"]I played the game and loved it (definitely one of my favorite games ever), but I'll have to stop you there. It is about 50% gameplay. It took me about 17ish hours to finish it on normal and there are about 8 hours of cutscenes.ogvampire

lol. i agree. there are alot of cut-scenes as far as im concerned.

last time i played, i loaded up my game at the Act 3 boss-fight, it took about 20 minutes for the battle, then it was followed by about an hour of cutscenes... thats just way too much.

Actually I thought it was awesome :lol:.

it is an amazing game..but, Cows need to realize that this is not the "end all be all" game, while it is good, its not that one game that everyone will be killing themselves about..im sick of hearing MGS4 being the greatest game ever and passed off as fact on this board

so far in the past 2 weeks ive heard the fallowing

MGS4 is the greatest game ever

MGS4 is graphics king.

MGS4 ownes 360's lineup.

MGS4 is better than every 360 exclusive because it got a 10

and this list goes on...

Its good..its great..its amazing...but it not everyones cup of tea..and im tired of cows passing it off like it is.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Mochyc"]I played the game and loved it (definitely one of my favorite games ever), but I'll have to stop you there. It is about 50% gameplay. It took me about 17ish hours to finish it on normal and there are about 8 hours of cutscenes.Mochyc

lol. i agree. there are alot of cut-scenes as far as im concerned.

last time i played, i loaded up my game at the Act 3 boss-fight, it took about 20 minutes for the battle, then it was followed by about an hour of cutscenes... thats just way too much.

Actually I thought it was awesome :lol:.

some cutscenes are... and some put me to sleep

You can't be serious.

Is MGS4 a fantastic game? Yes. But it isn't without flaws. I'm shocked at how harshly people respond to any opinion of the game that could possibly be negative.

The cutscenes were literally half of my 18 hour playthrough the first time through the game. They are longer than any other Metal Gear Solid game on record, and suffer from poor editing and an excess of exposition. They aren't confusing, and the story isn't incomprehensible by any means, despite its numerous convolutions and plot twists towards the end of the game. The issue is how the game beats you over the head with its descriptions of SOP and the 'war economy'. The issue is how stilted, melodramatic dialogue absolutely kills the mood in certain dramatic scenes. The issue is how minutes of slow-moving cutscenes have literally put respected members of this board to sleep.

I love how the game plays (I can't wait to continue my second playthrough), and I admire the game's ambition in terms of plot, but the storytelling, if you ask me, is a total mess.

I think the reason people think the cutscenes are CGI is because the game takes up dual layer blu-ray but isn't the biggest game.

I accept MGS4 is a good game, but I am not particularly interested in the series.

I don't get why people are saying lemmings bash it because they haven't played it, yet you say lemmings want it? Who's to know.

You can't be serious.

Is MGS4 a fantastic game? Yes. But it isn't without flaws. I'm shocked at how harshly people respond to any opinion of the game that could possibly be negative.

The cutscenes were literally half of my 18 hour playthrough the first time through the game. They are longer than any other Metal Gear Solid game on record, and suffer from poor editing and an excess of exposition. They aren't confusing, and the story isn't incomprehensible by any means, despite its numerous convolutions and plot twists towards the end of the game. The issue is how the game beats you over the head with its descriptions of SOP and the 'war economy'. The issue is how stilted, melodramatic dialogue absolutely kills the mood in certain dramatic scenes. The issue is how minutes of slow-moving cutscenes have literally put respected members of this board to sleep.

I love how the game plays (I can't wait to continue my second playthrough), and I admire the game's ambition in terms of plot, but the storytelling, if you ask me, is a total mess.

sonicmj1

Yet you clocked in 18 hours. Far more gameplay hours than Gears of War, which has a few cutscences.

I find it funny that people mention MGS 4 has no gameplay when most people's first playthrough is more than twice as long at the Gears single player mode.

Why are people not complaining about how short Gears of War is? At least MGS 4 is much longer.

I really hate when people throw around that tired " You don't like the story because it's too complicated for you!". People need to realize that not everyone in the gaming world has to like MGS4 or appreciate its story just because you do.

KD-Archangel

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

You can't be serious.

Is MGS4 a fantastic game? Yes. But it isn't without flaws. I'm shocked at how harshly people respond to any opinion of the game that could possibly be negative.

The cutscenes were literally half of my 18 hour playthrough the first time through the game. They are longer than any other Metal Gear Solid game on record, and suffer from poor editing and an excess of exposition. They aren't confusing, and the story isn't incomprehensible by any means, despite its numerous convolutions and plot twists towards the end of the game. The issue is how the game beats you over the head with its descriptions of SOP and the 'war economy'. The issue is how stilted, melodramatic dialogue absolutely kills the mood in certain dramatic scenes. The issue is how minutes of slow-moving cutscenes have literally put respected members of this board to sleep.

I love how the game plays (I can't wait to continue my second playthrough), and I admire the game's ambition in terms of plot, but the storytelling, if you ask me, is a total mess.

Ninten007

Yet you clocked in 18 hours. Far more gameplay hours than Gears of War, which has a few cutscences.

I find it funny that people mention MGS 4 has no gameplay when most people's first playthrough is more than twice as long at the Gears single player mode.

Why are people not complaining about how short Gears of War is? At least MGS 4 is much longer.

what are you talking about? that was most reviewers main complaint about Gears. the difference is that Gears makes up for it with its awesome online play

Gears online >>> MGO

[QUOTE="KD-Archangel"]I really hate when people throw around that tired " You don't like the story because it's too complicated for you!". People need to realize that not everyone in the gaming world has to like MGS4 or appreciate its story just because you do.

v-vega75

Even with all the cutscenes, MGS 4 is longer than most games this generation in terms of gameplay.

[QUOTE="v-vega75"]

[QUOTE="KD-Archangel"]I really hate when people throw around that tired " You don't like the story because it's too complicated for you!". People need to realize that not everyone in the gaming world has to like MGS4 or appreciate its story just because you do.

Ninten007

Even with all the cutscenes, MGS 4 is longer than most games this generation in terms of gameplay.

[QUOTE="v-vega75"]

[QUOTE="KD-Archangel"]I really hate when people throw around that tired " You don't like the story because it's too complicated for you!". People need to realize that not everyone in the gaming world has to like MGS4 or appreciate its story just because you do.

Ninten007

Even with all the cutscenes, MGS 4 is longer than most games this generation in terms of gameplay.

Cows are going crazy. They are saying its the best game ever, that this one game eclipses the 360's whole library... and its only a 92 on game rankings and metacritic (you should read gr and mc as as "the general consensus"). Thats not even the highest rated PS3 game.

MGS4 looks like and has been given the stamp of being a great game by the gaming world. Cows have taken that to mean its the end all be all of gaming and easily the best thing in the history of games, entertainment that can be watched on a television and just entertainment period.

Cows are going crazy. They are saying its the best game ever, that this one game eclipses the 360's whole library... and its only a 92 on game rankings and metacritic (you should read gr and mc as as "the general consensus"). Thats not even the highest rated PS3 game.

MGS4 looks like and has been given the stamp of being a great game by the gaming world. Cows have taken that to mean its the end all be all of gaming and easily the best thing in the history of games, entertainment that can be watched on a television and just entertainment period.

Senor_Kami

Wait when Cows used Gamerankings and Metacritic to show that Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, and many more were given good scores, Lemmings said only GS scores count.

But MGS 4 gets a 10 here, all of sudden Gamerankings and Metacritic count here now? If thats the case the PS3 has 4 AAAEs.

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

Cows are going crazy. They are saying its the best game ever, that this one game eclipses the 360's whole library... and its only a 92 on game rankings and metacritic (you should read gr and mc as as "the general consensus"). Thats not even the highest rated PS3 game.

MGS4 looks like and has been given the stamp of being a great game by the gaming world. Cows have taken that to mean its the end all be all of gaming and easily the best thing in the history of games, entertainment that can be watched on a television and just entertainment period.

Ninten007

Wait when Cows used Gamerankings and Metacritic to show that Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, and many more were given good scores, Lemmings said only GS scores count.

But MGS 4 gets a 10 here, all of sudden Gamerankings and Metacritic count here now? If thats the case the PS3 has 4 AAAEs.

[QUOTE="Ninten007"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

Cows are going crazy. They are saying its the best game ever, that this one game eclipses the 360's whole library... and its only a 92 on game rankings and metacritic (you should read gr and mc as as "the general consensus"). Thats not even the highest rated PS3 game.

MGS4 looks like and has been given the stamp of being a great game by the gaming world. Cows have taken that to mean its the end all be all of gaming and easily the best thing in the history of games, entertainment that can be watched on a television and just entertainment period.

delta3074

Wait when Cows used Gamerankings and Metacritic to show that Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, and many more were given good scores, Lemmings said only GS scores count.

But MGS 4 gets a 10 here, all of sudden Gamerankings and Metacritic count here now? If thats the case the PS3 has 4 AAAEs.

some gamesites ( gametrailers ) gave halo 3 a higher score for story, then mgs4. gamerankings suckz

[QUOTE="Ninten007"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

Cows are going crazy. They are saying its the best game ever, that this one game eclipses the 360's whole library... and its only a 92 on game rankings and metacritic (you should read gr and mc as as "the general consensus"). Thats not even the highest rated PS3 game.

MGS4 looks like and has been given the stamp of being a great game by the gaming world. Cows have taken that to mean its the end all be all of gaming and easily the best thing in the history of games, entertainment that can be watched on a television and just entertainment period.

delta3074

Wait when Cows used Gamerankings and Metacritic to show that Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, and many more were given good scores, Lemmings said only GS scores count.

But MGS 4 gets a 10 here, all of sudden Gamerankings and Metacritic count here now? If thats the case the PS3 has 4 AAAEs.

They did not get a 10 from GS. Thats what counts the most here.

Its a great game, stop denying it. The gameplay is longer than many other games this generation. With Gears short 7 hour single playeer, MGS 4 is a heck of a lot longer.

it is an amazing game..but, Cows need to realize that this is not the "end all be all" game, while it is good, its not that one game that everyone will be killing themselves about..im sick of hearing MGS4 being the greatest game ever and passed off as fact on this board

so far in the past 2 weeks ive heard the fallowing

MGS4 is the greatest game ever

MGS4 is graphics king.

MGS4 ownes 360's lineup.

MGS4 is better than every 360 exclusive because it got a 10

and this list goes on...

Its good..its great..its amazing...but it not everyones cup of tea..and im tired of cows passing it off like it is.

Pinkyimp

Yes. Yes! The fanboy bunk works both ways. Right now we're hearing Cow Fanboys complain about the rantings of the 360 Fanboys & yet, even though they are dissing the 360 Fanboys, they're just showing how much of a Cow they really are with all the constant plusses they continually tack onto that Gnarly Geezer of a game, MSG4.

We should probably point out how Sorny is imitating 360's achievement point system, losing $3 billion on hardware sales, & only produces one half-way decent game per year...not to mention losing all of those precious JRPGs. Lastly, but importantly, seeing a 360 Dev Kit in the MSG4 DVD video in Hideo Kojima's office where they are probably actively working on a new IP (maybe exclusive for the 360?).

In sum, the fanboyery cuts both ways.

They did not get a 10 from GS. Thats what counts the most here.

Its a great game, stop denying it. The gameplay is longer than many other games this generation. With Gears short 7 hour single playeer, MGS 4 is a heck of a lot longer.

Ninten007

Gears has more replay value I believe. And check gamerrankings for the actual rating. :P The 10 GS score doesn't count. Look who did it: VanOrd...!

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Ninten007"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

Cows are going crazy. They are saying its the best game ever, that this one game eclipses the 360's whole library... and its only a 92 on game rankings and metacritic (you should read gr and mc as as "the general consensus"). Thats not even the highest rated PS3 game.

MGS4 looks like and has been given the stamp of being a great game by the gaming world. Cows have taken that to mean its the end all be all of gaming and easily the best thing in the history of games, entertainment that can be watched on a television and just entertainment period.

Ninten007

Wait when Cows used Gamerankings and Metacritic to show that Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, and many more were given good scores, Lemmings said only GS scores count.

But MGS 4 gets a 10 here, all of sudden Gamerankings and Metacritic count here now? If thats the case the PS3 has 4 AAAEs.

They did not get a 10 from GS. Thats what counts the most here.

Its a great game, stop denying it. The gameplay is longer than many other games this generation. With Gears short 7 hour single playeer, MGS 4 is a heck of a lot longer.

[QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"]

A certain 360 fanboy who we all know refers himself to "Lemming General" has stated this. I find it sad.

rockguy92

I think he actually takes pride in that.

LOL GhostMLD

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Ninten007"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

Cows are going crazy. They are saying its the best game ever, that this one game eclipses the 360's whole library... and its only a 92 on game rankings and metacritic (you should read gr and mc as as "the general consensus"). Thats not even the highest rated PS3 game.

MGS4 looks like and has been given the stamp of being a great game by the gaming world. Cows have taken that to mean its the end all be all of gaming and easily the best thing in the history of games, entertainment that can be watched on a television and just entertainment period.

Ninten007

Wait when Cows used Gamerankings and Metacritic to show that Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, and many more were given good scores, Lemmings said only GS scores count.

But MGS 4 gets a 10 here, all of sudden Gamerankings and Metacritic count here now? If thats the case the PS3 has 4 AAAEs.

They did not get a 10 from GS. Thats what counts the most here.

Its a great game, stop denying it. The gameplay is longer than many other games this generation. With Gears short 7 hour single playeer, MGS 4 is a heck of a lot longer.

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

Cows are going crazy. They are saying its the best game ever, that this one game eclipses the 360's whole library... and its only a 92 on game rankings and metacritic (you should read gr and mc as as "the general consensus"). Thats not even the highest rated PS3 game.

MGS4 looks like and has been given the stamp of being a great game by the gaming world. Cows have taken that to mean its the end all be all of gaming and easily the best thing in the history of games, entertainment that can be watched on a television and just entertainment period.

Ninten007

Wait when Cows used Gamerankings and Metacritic to show that Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, and many more were given good scores, Lemmings said only GS scores count.

But MGS 4 gets a 10 here, all of sudden Gamerankings and Metacritic count here now? If thats the case the PS3 has 4 AAAEs.

lems are allways quick to run and hide behind gamer rankings when there in damage control mode, even more so when MGs 4 got a 10 here

[QUOTE="Ninten007"]

They did not get a 10 from GS. Thats what counts the most here.

Its a great game, stop denying it. The gameplay is longer than many other games this generation. With Gears short 7 hour single playeer, MGS 4 is a heck of a lot longer.

jknight5422

Gears has more replay value I believe. And check gamerrankings for the actual rating. :P The 10 GS score doesn't count. Look who did it: VanOrd...!

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

You can't be serious.

Is MGS4 a fantastic game? Yes. But it isn't without flaws. I'm shocked at how harshly people respond to any opinion of the game that could possibly be negative.

The cutscenes were literally half of my 18 hour playthrough the first time through the game. They are longer than any other Metal Gear Solid game on record, and suffer from poor editing and an excess of exposition. They aren't confusing, and the story isn't incomprehensible by any means, despite its numerous convolutions and plot twists towards the end of the game. The issue is how the game beats you over the head with its descriptions of SOP and the 'war economy'. The issue is how stilted, melodramatic dialogue absolutely kills the mood in certain dramatic scenes. The issue is how minutes of slow-moving cutscenes have literally put respected members of this board to sleep.

I love how the game plays (I can't wait to continue my second playthrough), and I admire the game's ambition in terms of plot, but the storytelling, if you ask me, is a total mess.

Ninten007

Yet you clocked in 18 hours. Far more gameplay hours than Gears of War, which has a few cutscences.

I find it funny that people mention MGS 4 has no gameplay when most people's first playthrough is more than twice as long at the Gears single player mode.

Why are people not complaining about how short Gears of War is? At least MGS 4 is much longer.

I don't have any complaints about length. All the MGS games are sub-10 hours when it comes to gameplay only, and that time falls fast when you know what to do. When I started my no-kill, no-alert runthrough for MGS4, my game time for Act 1 was under an hour (though it took a bit longer for restarting after an alert). But I'm not going to try to claim that MGS4 is under five hours long, because I'm going quickly on purpose.

I have complaints about the ratio of cutscenes to gameplay. A 'game' that is 50% cutscenes is pretty ridiculous.

don't you get it I DON'T LIKE MGS GAMES! i never have and i never will,I AM A SPLINTER CELL fan it's got nothing to do with "DENIAL" what you are saying is that anyone who does not like mgs4 is in denial WRONG, just cos you say it's a good game does not mean we all HAVE to think it's a good it's all about PERSONAL PREFERENCE. i have been playing games since the zx spectrum, i actually played the first metalgear game on my dads MSX and i didn't like it then, get it into your head everyone is entitled to their own opinio and just cos they disagree with you does not mean they are in denial,grow updelta3074

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its an amazing game. I don't like MGS either but give credit where its do its an amazing game. The game just doesn't cator to your taste and preference that is all.

Tell me what continent do you live on out of curiosity for your credibilities sake, and have you lived there all your life?

Why so much denial that MGS4 is an amazing game? I hear people claiming they've played it. Really now?

These are the same people that hate the PS3 with a passion. They say the cut scenes are long. Any reviewer will say that the cut scenes in MGS4 are at perfect length. Obviously, if you people understood the story, you would love every second of the cut scenes. Too bad you don't. This is another reason why MGS4 will never appear on the 360, 360 owners don't understand the game or the story.

Now, they say that there's no gameplay in MGS4. Surely you have to be an idiot to say that. The game has a lot of gameplay. 75% of the game is gameplay. There's amazing infiltration missions where you need to get somewhere. You can go anyway you want, but I prefer taking my time doing it stealthy. There's huge boss battles that are amazing. And everything you can ever wish for. Saying MGS4 has too many cut scenes shows your ignorance of understanding of the game.

Secondly, the graphics. I see people here comparing the graphics saying they suck. First of all, MGS4 needs to be experienced in motion and you will be amazed by the game. Secondly, the cut scenes run in real time, no CGI.

I just hate it when people here claim they've played it, say it sucks when they don't understand what kind of game it is. Honestly 360 fanboys, why so much denial? Just because it's never coming to your console it automatically sucks? A certain 360 fanboy who we all know refers himself to "Lemming General" has stated this. I find it sad.

Albanian_Killa

Probably the same reason cows try to cut down any 360 game that scored well, no matter what the review said.

In reality, most reviews are flawed. I mean, naming MGS4 the best looking console game, when it has low res textures, weak frame rates, and it's not even true HD? There are better looking games out there, even on the PS3.

I am one of the biggest GTA fans, and even I believe GTA4 didn't deserve a 10. It has way too many flsws. I don't know what the reviewers were thinking when they gave it a 10. Same with MGS4.

Like I said, most, if not all, video game reviews are flawed. Which is why I rarely bother to read them, much less let them effect which games I buy.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]don't you get it I DON'T LIKE MGS GAMES! i never have and i never will,I AM A SPLINTER CELL fan it's got nothing to do with "DENIAL" what you are saying is that anyone who does not like mgs4 is in denial WRONG, just cos you say it's a good game does not mean we all HAVE to think it's a good it's all about PERSONAL PREFERENCE. i have been playing games since the zx spectrum, i actually played the first metalgear game on my dads MSX and i didn't like it then, get it into your head everyone is entitled to their own opinio and just cos they disagree with you does not mean they are in denial,grow upBlackbond

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its an amazing game. I don't like MGS either but give credit where its do its an amazing game. The game just doesn't cator to your taste and preference that is all.

Tell me what continent do you live on out of curiosity for your credibilities sake, and have you lived there all your life?

lems are allways quick to run and hide behind gamer rankings when there in damage control mode, even more so when MGs 4 got a 10 here

hellrazor06

Yes, right... lems. Because Cows haven't been mooing about Gamerankings in regards to Uncharted for a year now.

To the TC... you are right. Trying to bring down MGS4 is fanboy 101, to be sure. Thanks for pointing that out. And I'm sure that when Cows were all over Halo 3, Mass Effect, etc., if I go back and look at those threads, I'll also find you there standing up for Truth, Justice, and the American Way. Because surely you don't stand silent when other consoles are taking a beating and only pipe up when your console of choice is attacked. Surely you wouldn't do that, since that would mean you have no credibility.