Why so much hate on Natal?

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#1 PrimusGears
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I thought it was bad for Forza, but I think the hate for Natal actually tops that. Why do you think there is so much hate for something that actually looks like its going to be good? Why wouldnt we want Natal to better our gaming experience?

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#2 ActicEdge
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No hate, I just want to see a piece of actually compelling software for it. Forgive me if that's too much to ask for.

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#3 PrimusGears
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No hate, I just want to see a piece of actually compelling software for it. Forgive me if that's too much to ask for.

ActicEdge

correct me if im wrong, is Natal coming out this month or something?

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#4 SolidTy
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No hate, I just want to see a piece of actually compelling software for it. Forgive me if that's too much to ask for.

ActicEdge

That's my line, and what are you doing in here!:evil:

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TC : Ask yourself the opposite :

Why so much love on Natal considering the lack of information/real compelling quality exclusive software?

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Also, I believe Natal is due next Year, Holiday 2010. THey show me actual exclusive high quality software that wows me, consider me wowed.
Right now people are amped up on their own imaginations spouting words like :

Minority Report, Holodeck, Virtual Reality, and the Matrix. It's insane that we don't have any real Natal games that kick butt, yet people are so stoked.

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#5 me_rock
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Cause it's a complete rip-off of the Eye-Toy which was last gen. Also because it's Microsoft's way of trying to compete with Nintendo, which is stupid really.

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#6 jakehouston88
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It's a useless gimmick.

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#7 funsohng
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i still dont know how it works. like actic said, im not convinced until i see some actual games that integrates the technology in a successful way
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#8 ThatsSimtastic
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It's a useless gimmick.

jakehouston88
Along with the sony wand, right?
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#9 djsifer01
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Because its stupid, if i wanted to flail my body around i would go to the gym. When i play video games, i want to sit on the couch with my controller and play, this motion control fad needs to stop.
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#10 tikki25x
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i still dont know how it works. like actic said, im not convinced until i see some actual games that integrates the technology in a successful wayfunsohng
i think this pretty much sums it up. until we see more of it its pretty much an easy target. im sure the devs have something up their sleeves. considering theyre actually working with it and we honestly dont have a clue right now as to what exactly theyre up to. but hearing people like Kojima say that they have plans for it eases my mind just a little.

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#11 djsifer01
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[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

It's a useless gimmick.

ThatsSimtastic
Along with the sony wand, right?

Yep, all motion controls suck.
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#12 Valiant_Rebel
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If someone has to stand on their feet to play a game, they are doing it wrong.

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#13 Sword-Demon
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the same reason people hate on the wii..

devs will use it to send out "innovative" crap to people who dont know any better

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#14 fuchuzz
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HONESTLY, i don't want to see games incorporate more motions then the ones i make with my hands on a controller, monition control is a gimmick altogether, you just cant beat a controller. Whats worse then motion control with a wand?, motion control with NO WAND(or wii mote).

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#15 bobcheeseball
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HONESTLY, i don't want to see games incorporate more motions then the ones i make with my hands on a controller, monition control is a gimmick altogether, you just cant beat a controller. Whats worse then motion control with a wand?, motion control with NO WAND(or wii mote).

fuchuzz

Really take a look at the effect Wii Motion Plus is having...

Look at Tiger Woods. Beats the 360/PS3 versions despite poorer online play and lesser graphics. Obviously the controls may have played a big role in its superiority.

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#16 Tjeremiah1988
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because I dont understand how lemmings can clown Wii in 2005/2006 about wagging arms, etc, and now they praise something that will most likely require you to look more "stupid" by moving not just your arms, but your entire body :shock:
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#17 789shadow
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It takes new ways of playing too far.

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#18 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

No hate, I just want to see a piece of actually compelling software for it. Forgive me if that's too much to ask for.

PrimusGears

correct me if im wrong, is Natal coming out this month or something?

No. Do you want me to judge it on potentially AAA pieces of software I haven't seen or on what I have already seen? That should answer your quetion.

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#19 stereointegrity
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well the only thing i dislike are the rumos that it will cost as much as a console....
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#20 ThatsSimtastic
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[QUOTE="ThatsSimtastic"][QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

It's a useless gimmick.

djsifer01

Along with the sony wand, right?

Yep, all motion controls suck.

Yeah I know, I was just asking because he always bags out xbox360 yet never has any complaints about ps3 so it would of been funny to hear him explain why natal sucks and why sony wand is the greatest thing to ever happen to gaming.

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#21 dlindenb2000
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Games are about escapism. They are about doing things you can not do in the real world. For motion controlls to be effective, you have to be able to do the action they are asking you to do. If I am able to do something in life, why would I do it in a game instead? Then again, I also feel the same way about sports games and those have sold billions.
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#22 scarface_dm
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Cause it's a complete rip-off of the Eye-Toy which was last gen. Also because it's Microsoft's way of trying to compete with Nintendo, which is stupid really.

me_rock

How is it a rip off when it doesnt force us towave a retarded d**do looking peripheral,

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#23 nZiFFLe
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It's getting all the hate from the hardcore gamers, who usually dislike motion controls (based on what I read on these forums). I guarantee you that if you show a demo of Natal to a casual audience, they will love it. When Natal launches, I'm guessing it will do pretty well (if MS is smart and starts to bundle 360's with it).

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#24 TheGrat1
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[QUOTE="PrimusGears"]Why wouldnt we want Natal to better our gaming experience?/QUOTE] Because i'm hard pressed to think of a way for it to do just that. That quarter second lag, lack of a controller, and lack of compelling software is hardly a reason to get excited imo.
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#25 brennan7777
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It's getting all the hate from the hardcore gamers, who usually dislike motion controls (based on what I read on these forums). I guarantee you that if you show a demo of Natal to a casual audience, they will love it. When Natal launches, I'm guessing it will do pretty well (if MS is smart and starts to bundle 360's with it).

nZiFFLe

Its true. My friends who dont game have done nothing but raveabout Natal since they first saw it on Jimmy Fallon.

Personally i think its a terrible gimmick.

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#26 hiphops_savior
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One of the biggest flaws about Natal is that it's based on the same technology of the Eyetoy. The Wii-mote started off as a gimmick, but turned the corner with Motion+, but at least the Wii-mote doesn't rely on camera technology (Wii-motes use a sensor bar), and it won't make you give up an arm and leg for a controller.
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#27 kingdre
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I was under the impression a lot of people hate motion controls in general.

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#28 rockguy92
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I hate motion controls.
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#29 CoralMark
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Because it's SW, and SW hates the concept of motion controls. [just ask any sheep]

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#30 whitetiger3521
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Because it doesnt use a controller

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#31 Burning-Sludge
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[QUOTE="ThatsSimtastic"][QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

It's a useless gimmick.

djsifer01

Along with the sony wand, right?

Yep, all motion controls suck.

The mouse doesn't suck.

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#32 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

It's a useless gimmick.

ThatsSimtastic
Along with the sony wand, right?

Atleast with the wand we can count on Wii games rip-offs, but how about Natal? What type of compelling game will be made using Natal. its like the PSEye....are there any good games for that except that card game?
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#33 RaZoR500
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It's a useless gimmick.

jakehouston88

And yet if it was the PS3 wand or eyetoy you would be running around the room screaming a the top of your lunges trying to convince anyone they are the most innovative and most fun you will get this gen am I right?

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#34 gamefan274
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No hate, I just want to see a piece of actually compelling software for it. Forgive me if that's too much to ask for.

ActicEdge

This.

It looks probmising but nothing has proven this.

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#35 Console_Gamer93
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[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

It's a useless gimmick.

RaZoR500

And yet if it was the PS3 wand or eyetoy you would be running around the room screaming a the top of your lunges trying to convince anyone they are the most innovative and most fun you will get this gen am I right?

He might but i wouldn't. After buying a Wii it has really soured my perspective on motion control gaming...in all its forms.

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#36 sikanderahmed
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i think its a lame gimmick that will only damage gaming like the wii

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#37 kart_racer
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[QUOTE="me_rock"]

Cause it's a complete rip-off of the Eye-Toy which was last gen. Also because it's Microsoft's way of trying to compete with Nintendo, which is stupid really.

scarface_dm

How is it a rip off when it doesnt force us towave a retarded d**do looking peripheral,

The Eye-Toy forced you to wave some sort of wand around? When did this happen?
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#38 cainetao11
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I think the point of Natal is steal that new to gaming market, that Nintendo cornered with Wii. Remember the MS conference? Spielberg and that MS guy talking about how the controller and all the buttons intimidate potential gamers from playing. This probably won't have too many "hardcore" games. It's aimed at grabbing new people to gaming. It has possibilities for other gamers, but we'll have to wait and see.
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#39 bf2nutta
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don't hate it... just need to see it fully implemented in a game and not just tech demo's... Milo looked amazing but was it just smoke and mirrors.
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#40 cainetao11
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i think its a lame gimmick that will only damage gaming like the wii

sikanderahmed
Wii did what! Even though my PS3 and 360 are fine, I'm asking the Wii to leave.
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#42 bf2nutta
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i think its a lame gimmick that will only damage gaming like the wii

sikanderahmed
since when did the Wii damage gaming?
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#43 flazzle
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Why so much love for it? I have to see a game on it that made say 'I really want to play that'. Everything else has been speculation.

I'm still seeing response delays that involve fast movement in the latest videos.

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#44 93soccer
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I thought it was bad for Forza, but I think the hate for Natal actually tops that. Why do you think there is so much hate for something that actually looks like its going to be good? Why wouldnt we want Natal to better our gaming experience?

PrimusGears
There's so much hate because this place is full of jealous cows.
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#45 ImportBMWRacer
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

No hate, I just want to see a piece of actually compelling software for it. Forgive me if that's too much to ask for.

SolidTy

That's my line, and what are you doing in here!:evil:

:P

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TC : Ask yourself the opposite :

Why so much love on Natal considering the lack of information/real compelling quality exclusive software?

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Also, I believe Natal is due next Year, Holiday 2010. THey show me actual exclusive high quality software that wows me, consider me wowed.
Right now people are amped up on their own imaginations spouting words like :

Minority Report, Holodeck, Virtual Reality, and the Matrix. It's insane that we don't have any real Natal games that kick butt, yet people are so stoked.

So all the PS3 fans that said keep waiting, keep waiting....look at what we have next year are completley wrong too....inculding yourself?

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#46 bandicoot89
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you ppl can say whatever you want, but Natal is gonna be huge. us gamers will be disappointed, maybe, but there are a lot of casual gamers out there who can't wait for it. Of course that will also increase the xbox 360's sales and there'll be a stiff competition between Nintendo and Ms for the final "winner". I'm glad, though, that Nintendo is finally focusing on quality games - look at the 2010 lineup -

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I thought it was bad for Forza, but I think the hate for Natal actually tops that. Why do you think there is so much hate for something that actually looks like its going to be good? Why wouldnt we want Natal to better our gaming experience?

PrimusGears

Because people are very close-minded and afraid of change.

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#48 Ondoval
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[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

It's a useless gimmick.

ThatsSimtastic

Along with the sony wand, right?

Right.

Both are vaporware in my book. I'm more interested to see KZ2, R2 and some other games from Sony supporting keyboard and mouse as in UT III than in the wand/sphere/whatever. Promises, promises...

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#49 verbtex  Moderator
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It's not just NATAL, it's the fact that motion controls haven't proven themselves in the past.

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#50 II_Seraphim_II
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you ppl can say whatever you want, but Natal is gonna be huge. us gamers will be disappointed, maybe, but there are a lot of casual gamers out there who can't wait for it. Of course that will also increase the xbox 360's sales and there'll be a stiff competition between Nintendo and Ms for the final "winner". I'm glad, though, that Nintendo is finally focusing on quality games - look at the 2010 lineup -

bandicoot89
The price will kill it and the fact that you have to won an X360 first THEN buy the natal hardware. Too much work for the casual. Wii is just a buy and you're done package. With Natal its buy, then buy addon, deal and that won't fly.