Why so much hate towards Nintendo??

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"] 

Read my blog post on game complexity.

Basically, Nintendo wants to expand the market by appealing to casuals on the premise, "hey, play these simple fun video games, they're just like pac-man, but better."  90% of Wii games are first party.  What do you think will happen to complex games if Wii gains an enormous casual market share?  See the post.

Shinobishyguy

That was my impression of his blog.

"Teh Wii will destroy gaming as we know it!!!  Boycott the NIntendo Wii"

The blog was laughable at best. Zelda: TP is as deep and engrossing as any x360 game I've played so far.......and PS3, IMO, has nothing that can touch Zelda: TP.

60 hours of TP versus the 10 hour single player of Gears.....hmm....yeah the wii's games are sooo simplistic :roll: no offence to GEOW fans of courseShinobishyguy

I've played about 60hrs of GeOW online.

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Why the Wii-hate?

Because the PS3 is dead last in sales.

LosDaddie

Sadly, this is somewhat the truth.  People need to start hating Wii for the correct reasons, =/.

Read his blog for a couple laughs.

He honestly believes the Wii will destroy gaming as we know it. That all games will end up being like Wii Play. He wants everyone to be a hardcore gamer that spends the majority of their free-time gaming.

The blog was laughable at best. Zelda: TP is as deep and engrossing as any x360 game I've played so far.......and PS3, IMO, has nothing that can touch Zelda: TP.

And Zelda: TP is one single game.  No where do I claim in my post, "There will be NO COMPLEX GAMES, EVER."  I simply point out a porportional relationship between the penetration of the casual market and the scarcity of complex games; it's not so much that the post is laughable, it's moreso that you simply misunderstood my arguement.

I could provide GS with charts and pie graphs that depict the relationship but I don't have the time.

Read my post on pleasure to learn why things like hardware functionality and graphics are extremely important to the gaming industry (and also why you might be giving a game like TP/GEoW far more credit than it deserves).

Then read my mini-post on how console developers should seek to capture the casual market (through complexity and entertainment quality comparable to any other medium; not by butchering games down to p1).

At the end of the year, I'll post all my major points that make up a little thing I like to call "Pandanomics."  Pandanomics examines the state of the industry in an objective and critically true light.  Few people will like what it exposes!

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Why the Wii-hate?

Because the PS3 is dead last in sales.

coreygames

Sadly, this is somewhat the truth.  People need to start hating Wii for the correct reasons, =/.

Read his blog for a couple laughs.

He honestly believes the Wii will destroy gaming as we know it. That all games will end up being like Wii Play. He wants everyone to be a hardcore gamer that spends the majority of their free-time gaming.

No where do I make the assesrtion that Wii will cause the end of gaming as we know it.  Remember, the post simply points out a porportional relationship. 

COULD Wii destroy gaming as we know it?  Definately. 

Is such an event likely? No.

Will Wii decrease the quality of gaming?  Absolutely.  The extent of this decrease depends on the porportional relationship between the amount of casual consumers who purchase the Wii, the resources of Nintendo, and number of 3rd party developers.

Nintendo has already explicitly told us that the Wii seeks to unite and expand the industry by freezing the function of gameplay at a P1 level.  Other titles may exist, but they contradict the mission statement of the Wii and will grow continually scarce as new consumers demand P1 products.

I hate to inform you that you have not "owned" any aspect of that arguement.  The model is so objectively true it hurts.  Consider these BASIC economic principles:

Resources are scarce.  Supplier changes product to attract new customers.  New  consumers create demand.  Suppliers meet that demand.  Demand changes as new customers demand different types of goods.  Suppliers reallocate resources to meet new consumer demands.  Suppliers either lower the supply of previously demanded goods, raise the price, or keep the amount frozen at an equilibrium.

You could plug this formula into any circumstance that meets the critera and mode of arguement I listed.

I will admit ONE INTENTIONAL flaw to that post -- the title is way way way too strong.  Why did I make such a strong title?

If you don't, half of the time, people won't even bother clicking your post, =/.

The blog was laughable at best. Zelda: TP is as deep and engrossing as any x360 game I've played so far.......and PS3, IMO, has nothing that can touch Zelda: TP.FoamingPanda

And Zelda: TP is one single game.  No where do I claim in my post, "There will be NO COMPLEX GAMES, EVER."  I simply point out a porportional relationship between the penetration of the casual market and the scarcity of complex games; it's not so much that the post is laughable, it's moreso that you simply misunderstood my arguement.

I could provide GS with charts and pie graphs that depict the relationship but I don't have the time.

Read my post on pleasure to learn why things like hardware functionality and graphics are extremely important to the gaming industry (and also why you might be giving a game like TP/GEoW far more credit than it deserves).

Then read my mini-post on how console developers should seek to capture the casual market (through complexity and entertainment quality comparable to any other medium; not by butchering games down to p1).

At the end of the year, I'll post all my major points that make up a little thing I like to call "Pandanomics."  Pandanomics examines the state of the industry in an objective and critically true light.  Few people will like what it exposes!

I read your 'pleasure' blog and found it to be laughable. Zelda TP is the highest selling Wii game and you seem to think Nintendo doesn't know this and will focus on games like Wii Play.

The problem with you & your blog is that you want to make people's  mind up for themselves. You seem to think that you know what's best for other people. You think that most gamers want highly complex games and that only complex games will advance the industry.

[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

The blog was laughable at best. Zelda: TP is as deep and engrossing as any x360 game I've played so far.......and PS3, IMO, has nothing that can touch Zelda: TP.LosDaddie

And Zelda: TP is one single game.  No where do I claim in my post, "There will be NO COMPLEX GAMES, EVER."  I simply point out a porportional relationship between the penetration of the casual market and the scarcity of complex games; it's not so much that the post is laughable, it's moreso that you simply misunderstood my arguement.

I could provide GS with charts and pie graphs that depict the relationship but I don't have the time.

Read my post on pleasure to learn why things like hardware functionality and graphics are extremely important to the gaming industry (and also why you might be giving a game like TP/GEoW far more credit than it deserves).

Then read my mini-post on how console developers should seek to capture the casual market (through complexity and entertainment quality comparable to any other medium; not by butchering games down to p1).

At the end of the year, I'll post all my major points that make up a little thing I like to call "Pandanomics."  Pandanomics examines the state of the industry in an objective and critically true light.  Few people will like what it exposes!

I read your 'pleasure' blog and found it to be laughable. Zelda TP is the highest selling Wii game and you seem to think Nintendo doesn't know this and will focus on games like Wii Play.

The problem with you & your blog is that you want to make people's  mind up for themselves. You seem to think that you know what's best for other people. You think that most gamers want highly complex games and that only complex games will advance the industry.

It's funny that you haven't refuted a single aspect of the theory on pleasure, either.  Simply because it cannot be coherently refuted. I'm one of the few objective consumers in this industry who isn't ensnared by a paticular marketing icon pasted across the face of a product.  I'm one of the few consumers in this industry who doesn't simply smile at the game before me and say, "good job," because I take P1 in the machine before me.  I'm one of the few consumers in this industry who wants to see video games respected as much as any other form of artistic medium.  I'm tired of seeing my favorite hobby of many years reduced to little more than a childish toy.  If you'd read the post clearer, I never say that people don't want P1 type games (we all love them).  But I do state that P2 games drive innovation and hardware advancement within the industry.

The sales of TP do not refute or even alter the intentional purpose and functionality of the Wii console.  If you'd have read my post closer, I clearly state that Nintendo chose to continue these franchises (not because they love you) but because they ensure marginal success while Nintendo aquires its new consumer base (its explicitly stated fuction).  I never state that games like TP will dissappear into history, but simply point out that they will become FAR more scarce as Nintendo gains a broader audience.   

[QUOTE="Cpt_Meh"][QUOTE="ps3-nikita"]Nintendo deserve the hate, well actually the deserve alot more then they get.ps3-nikita

The N64 was the most powerful system that generation.  How did they hold up progress?  I hope you were trying to make a point regarding their decision to stick with carts instead of CD's and not referring to system power.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

The blog was laughable at best. Zelda: TP is as deep and engrossing as any x360 game I've played so far.......and PS3, IMO, has nothing that can touch Zelda: TP.FoamingPanda

And Zelda: TP is one single game.  No where do I claim in my post, "There will be NO COMPLEX GAMES, EVER."  I simply point out a porportional relationship between the penetration of the casual market and the scarcity of complex games; it's not so much that the post is laughable, it's moreso that you simply misunderstood my arguement.

I could provide GS with charts and pie graphs that depict the relationship but I don't have the time.

Read my post on pleasure to learn why things like hardware functionality and graphics are extremely important to the gaming industry (and also why you might be giving a game like TP/GEoW far more credit than it deserves).

Then read my mini-post on how console developers should seek to capture the casual market (through complexity and entertainment quality comparable to any other medium; not by butchering games down to p1).

At the end of the year, I'll post all my major points that make up a little thing I like to call "Pandanomics."  Pandanomics examines the state of the industry in an objective and critically true light.  Few people will like what it exposes!

I read your 'pleasure' blog and found it to be laughable. Zelda TP is the highest selling Wii game and you seem to think Nintendo doesn't know this and will focus on games like Wii Play.

The problem with you & your blog is that you want to make people's  mind up for themselves. You seem to think that you know what's best for other people. You think that most gamers want highly complex games and that only complex games will advance the industry.

It's funny that you haven't refuted a single aspect of the theory on pleasure, either.  Simply because it cannot be coherently refuted. I'm one of the few objective consumers in this industry who isn't ensnared by a paticular marketing icon pasted across the face of a product.  I'm one of the few consumers in this industry who doesn't simply smile at the game before me and say, "good job," because I take P1 in the machine before me.  I'm one of the few consumers in this industry who wants to see video games respected as much as any other form of artistic medium.  I'm tired of seeing my favorite hobby of many years reduced to little more than a childish toy.  If you'd read the post clearer, I never say that people don't want P1 type games (we all love them).  But I do state that P2 games drive innovation and hardware advancement within the industry.

The sales of TP do not refute or even alter the intentional purpose and functionality of the Wii console.  If you'd have read my post closer, I clearly state that Nintendo chose to continue these franchises (not because they love you) but because they ensure marginal success while Nintendo aquires its new consumer base (its explicitly stated fuction).  I never state that games like TP will dissappear into history, but simply point out that they will become FAR more scarce as Nintendo gains a broader audience.   

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] 60 hours of TP versus the 10 hour single player of Gears.....hmm....yeah the wii's games are sooo simplistic :roll: no offence to GEOW fans of courseLosDaddie

I've played about 60hrs of GeOW online.

There just a bunch of little kids raised with playstation or xbox. I was raised with the NES and I have a ps2 and a xbox now. Nintendo is still way better.p3anut

The N64 was the most powerful system that generation. How did they hold up progress? I hope you were trying to make a point regarding their decision to stick with carts instead of CD's and not referring to system power.

DeerhunterIA

Wow, what an argument there FoamingPanda. Let me break it down for everyone else so it is easy to read.

I am right and you are wrong because I am the only objective one.

I don't think I really need to point out exactly what Rabid...I mean FoamingPanda is doing.
Warfust

You've got to be joking. If anything there should be LESS PRAISE for the wii, it's so overrated it's not funny.Riviera_Phantom

How is it overrated?Is that not merely an opinion?

...im not counting WarioWare because everybody knows that the review was sympathy for zeldahockeyruler12

The main reason is that everybody is afrai of how great the Wii is doing and wants to bash it as much as possible while it's still behind the 360.
 nintendofreak_2

PS3 gets bashed more then the Wii I guess that explains a lot.

Foamingpanda,

I can understand your, uh, concern for the wellbeing of the gaming community, but as a gamer, I can assure you that the Nintendo Wii will not spell disaster for any hardcore in terms of subject or quality. If casual, "lower quality" games were to have taken over the market, they would have done so a long time ago on the PC. As we are still getting our umpteenth edition of Nazi-shooter FPS and generic RTS, and the most popular game on the market is WOW, a glorified (and well done) rendition of D&D, there is no risk of such a thing. Rather, it will balance out after the initial influx of casuals and no one will be the wiser. Remember a hardcore will buy 10x the amount a casual will. It all balances out.

I think you're just being a bit paranoid and over-analysing the situation. Calm down, enjoy yourself a bit, play a little Wii Sports in between your marathon sessions of Halo/Battlefield/Final Fantasy/Zelda, it does a world of good for the cynical gamer, such as yourself.

\Wii billboard ad. :P

As for the hate, well we will never know the inner workings of an irate fanboy. I hear it's pretty scary.

I own a Wii and a PC and I love both. There are a few downers for the Wii (as with any console), but nothing to hate on.