Why Starcraft 2 has the best shot at being the first perfect 10 on GS...

...Since the new rating system

I am a fanboy to several franchises, I'll admit that. However, fanboy or not, I am always ready to see the obvious flaws my favorite games have. I love MGS, but I also see it's flawed camera issues and less than desirable combat system. I am able to criticize my Final Fantasy games for their overuse of random battles, or Forza 2 for it's sever lack of tracks and cars.

When I hype a game, say FF13 -- I have very high hopes that it will be amazing, but I always expect to see something critics won't like when the game is released, and I usually can see that before the game is released.

However, in Starcraft 2's case, I can't even imagine what could prevent this from being the greatest RTS ever made --

if Blizzard pulls through...

What I mean by that, is if Blizzad succeeds in everything they have said, the "Good" and "Bad" section of SC2's review should look like:

Score

10.0

Prime

Summary:

The sequel to one of the most popular computer games in history has proved itself as arugably the greatest fast paced strategy game ever created.

The Good:

Fresh, innovative, and immersive way of playing through an RTS's campaign -- Epic story as played through the perspectives of 3 different races -- Amazingly in depth World Map Editor allows for unlimited creativity useabe by newcomers and veterans alike -- Possibly the greatest online multiplayer component to ever be implemented in a game -- Near perfect (if not flawless)balance between 3 very distinctly unique and thrilling races make the foundation for one of the most competitive games inhistory -- Custom made maps make for unlimited replayability -- Gorgeous visuals, effects, and enviroments -- Superb voice acting and entertaining unit responses, phenomanal sound track and sound effects -- New units feel right at home in the Starcraft universe -- Feels and plays like the original despite it's radical additions.

The Bad:

Life is short.

Am I being extremely wishful and unrealistic? Probably.

But look at Blizzard's history, and understand that they have been working on this game for over 5 years. They still haven't even revealed the Zerg yet. These guys are working hard. If you go on the Battle Net forums, Dustin Brown, the lead designer of SC2 is actually talking to everyday players and listening to their concerns (even me). They constantly update their changes and additions to the game, and if it isn't well recieved -- they remove it just like that.

This is Blizzard's biggest project ever, they know millions of people are counting on them, including a large portion of Korea. They know if they release a sequel that is kinda cool, but has issues -- alot of people are gonna be pissed. I kind of feel sorry for them that they are one of, if not the only developer that has a reputation of always making a hit game.

The only problem people expect is, Starcraft 2 won't reinnovate the RTS genre. But look at the scores of Halo 3 or SSBB. Halo 3 perfected what it set out to do, as did SSBB. I'm sure fans of those games are thinking -- "how can they possibly make these better?"

And it's not like SC2 isn't doing new things. Look at the predicted Good section I just wrote and tell me Blizzard isn't capable of doing every single one of those.

I gotta agree with you there mate. :) Blizzard are wizards when it comes to making games. Ever since I played Diablo 2 back when it was released, there hasn't been a single Blizzard game that's lasted less than 1000 hours for me. I have no doubt that SC2 will be the same way. What we know is this: There isn't a chance this game will flop. This is Blizzard we're talking about here. I expect no less than a 9.5 from this masterpiece. But you know, it certainly DOES have a GREAT chance at getting that 10. :)

tl;dr half of it

but it's blizzard

I think it's safe to say that yeah, they have the best chance.

I dont think it will get a ten, but I agree that its probably gonna be the best rounded game this gen...their arent really an areas where I can see major flaws based on what we have currently seen, and Blizzard's track record....

who knows the game might be to short...but it does come with a very awsome editor.

There has been 10s beforef50p90

read the first line of my post. geez.

Not gonna read that. But a competitive RTS will never get a 10 in GS mark my words. To score high you need certain casual appeal, GS says so themself in "how we review" section, SC2 despite being very popular still isn't casual enough imo.EntwineX

Blizzard games have always had extreme casual appeal.

Not gonna read that. But a competitive RTS will never get a 10 in GS mark my words. To score high you need certain casual appeal, GS says so themself in "how we review" section, SC2 despite being very popular still isn't casual enough imo.EntwineX

how casual can RTS's be though? Blizzard's always been really good at making their games easy to get into....WOW is a great example of that...when you start playing, the hud is minimalistic and simple, once your at level 60, the hud looks like it could have come from a flight sim...but at that point it doesnt matter, since everyone is used to it.

I think that StarCraft 2 has already a 9.5 in the pocket, the real question is, it will achieve the 10 or a 9.0 for some missing things.

I cant wait to know the answer.

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]Not gonna read that. But a competitive RTS will never get a 10 in GS mark my words. To score high you need certain casual appeal, GS says so themself in "how we review" section, SC2 despite being very popular still isn't casual enough imo.HoldThePhone

Blizzard games have always had extreme casual appeal.

Not gonna read that. But a competitive RTS will never get a 10 in GS mark my words. To score high you need certain casual appeal, GS says so themself in "how we review" section, SC2 despite being very popular still isn't casual enough imo.EntwineX

Chrono Cross is casual? I walk up to my brother or some of my casual friends and start talking about Chrono Cross, they'll give me a big DOUBLE-YOU-TEE-EFF??? I walk up to them and start talking Starcraft, and they'll know what I'm talking about.

Starcraft 2 is must more casual than any of the games to receive at 10 before it. The fact that it's not casual because it features a multiplayer mode that alot of hardcore people play is irrelevant.

I dont think it will get a ten, but I agree that its probably gonna be the best rounded game this gen...their arent really an areas where I can see major flaws based on what we have currently seen, and Blizzard's track record....

who knows the game might be to short...but it does come with a very awsome editor.

cobrax25

I can't see anyone beating 3 campaigns in 10 hours or less without the use of cheats. But we'll see.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

I dont think it will get a ten, but I agree that its probably gonna be the best rounded game this gen...their arent really an areas where I can see major flaws based on what we have currently seen, and Blizzard's track record....

who knows the game might be to short...but it does come with a very awsome editor.

HoldThePhone

I can't see anyone beating 3 campaigns in 10 hours or less without the use of cheats. But we'll see.

I dont think so either, but thats the most common complaint these days, and their is no way to tell how long a game is just by looking at videos.

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]Not gonna read that. But a competitive RTS will never get a 10 in GS mark my words. To score high you need certain casual appeal, GS says so themself in "how we review" section, SC2 despite being very popular still isn't casual enough imo.death919

Chrono Cross is casual? I walk up to my brother or some of my casual friends and start talking about Chrono Cross, they'll give me a big DOUBLE-YOU-TEE-EFF??? I walk up to them and start talking Starcraft, and they'll know what I'm talking about.

Starcraft 2 is must more casual than any of the games to receive at 10 before it. The fact that it's not casual because it features a multiplayer mode that alot of hardcore people play is irrelevant.

More casual than THPS3 and Zelda: OOT? Seriously? People are sounding like SC is The Sims or something.
EntwineX

Would you call WC3 casual?

[QUOTE="death919"]

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]Not gonna read that. But a competitive RTS will never get a 10 in GS mark my words. To score high you need certain casual appeal, GS says so themself in "how we review" section, SC2 despite being very popular still isn't casual enough imo.EntwineX

Chrono Cross is casual? I walk up to my brother or some of my casual friends and start talking about Chrono Cross, they'll give me a big DOUBLE-YOU-TEE-EFF??? I walk up to them and start talking Starcraft, and they'll know what I'm talking about.

Starcraft 2 is must more casual than any of the games to receive at 10 before it. The fact that it's not casual because it features a multiplayer mode that alot of hardcore people play is irrelevant.

It isn't as casual as the sims. But your being a bit extreme if you think a casual won't like playing SC.

Critics aren't going to mark down a game for something it isn't trying to be.

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]More casual than THPS3 and Zelda: OOT? Seriously? People are sounding like SC is The Sims or something.
SSCyborg

Would you call WC3 casual?

I wouldnt personally.

I cant see any RTS I would ever call casual, maybe WIC, but even thats very fast paced and teamwork oriented.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]More casual than THPS3 and Zelda: OOT? Seriously? People are sounding like SC is The Sims or something.
cobrax25

Would you call WC3 casual?

I wouldnt personally.

I cant see any RTS I would ever call casual, maybe WIC, but even thats very fast paced and teamwork oriented.

RTS naturally arn't casual, therefore a good critic wouldn't really care.

It's like rating a Night Club low for not playing rock music...

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]More casual than THPS3 and Zelda: OOT? Seriously? People are sounding like SC is The Sims or something.
SSCyborg

Would you call WC3 casual?

I completely agree, I expect no less than a 9.5 here -- even though, I would have preferred Diablo 3. :PStevo_the_gamer

still waiting to see how new MMO they're working on.

No chance: IMO.

1) It will be heavily penialized for being a rehash or an over saturated form of RTS.

2) Theres a highly likely chance it wont be as balanced as the first, thus being disliked by the korean commmunity and well everybody.

3) The RTS genre has become much broader now, personally I very much dislike the Dune Esque type RTS now ... I just cant be bothered for them, they all play the same.

8.5-9.0 max.

And i bet it will score high based on its prestige alone, not actual game.

Wrath of the Lich King wont have a shot at AAA either .... when all they can brag abotu is 1 new tradeskill and "Hair-style change" >>

No chance: IMO.

1) It will be heavily penialized for being a rehash or an over saturated form of RTS.

2) Theres a highly likely chance it wont be as balanced as the first, thus being disliked by the korean commmunity and well everybody.

3) The RTS genre has become much broader now, personally I very much dislike the Dune Esque type RTS now ... I just cant be bothered for them, they all play the same.

8.5-9.0 max.

And i bet it will score high based on its prestige alone, not actual game.

Wrath of the Lich King wont have a shot at AAA either .... when all they can brag abotu is 1 new tradeskill and "Hair-style change" >>

Meu2k7

I wouldn't be that pessimistic.. Warcraft 3 showed they can make a great rts.. Both games did awesome AAA (including expansion).. You can't include a RPG as a comparison.

Maybe if it was 10 years ago, then yeah, but the video gaming landscape has changed. I mean when was the last time a PC exclusive received a perfect 10? Also any RTS that received a perfect 10?

No chance:

1) It will be heavily penialized for being a rehash or an over saturated form of RTS.

2) Theres a highly likely chance it wont be as balanced as the first, thus being disliked by the korean commmunity and well everybody.

3) The RTS genre has become much broader now, personally I very much dislike the Dune Esque type RTS now ... I just cant be bothered for them, they all play the same.

8.5-9.0 max.

And i bet it will score high based on its prestige alone, not actual game.

Wrath of the Lich King wont have a shot at AAA either .... when all they can brag abotu is 1 new tradeskill and "Hair-style change" >>

Meu2k7

1.) Halo 3 received numeroous "perfect" scores. Because it's innovative and new to the FPS genre?Haha Don't think so.

2.) Basically the only issue. I believe Blizzard will nail it intially, and problems will be discovered as the online community gets really active. But when it first comes out, I can't see any serious balance issues. C&C3 had huge balance issues and it got AAA.

3.) Sorry the game's setting isn't your style.

WoTLK is adding a completely new contintent, class, and more that hasn't even been announced.

It sounds like it will be adding more then BC did.

Sorry man. Chrono Cross got a 10 already:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/chronocross/index.html?tag=result;title;0

Sorry man. Chrono Cross got a 10 already:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/chronocross/index.html?tag=result;title;0

dream431ca

You're obviously blind.

Anyways as long as its not a Sony related game then anything has a shot at 10 at GS. But yeah I really hope it gets 9+ here because its one of most anticipated games this year.

Well, if any game can get the new "Prime" score, it's definetely either StarCraft II, Spore, or Duke Nukem Forever. I'd say the first and the last ones have the best chance at it.

No chance: IMO.

1) It will be heavily penialized for being a rehash or an over saturated form of RTS.

2) Theres a highly likely chance it wont be as balanced as the first, thus being disliked by the korean commmunity and well everybody.

3) The RTS genre has become much broader now, personally I very much dislike the Dune Esque type RTS now ... I just cant be bothered for them, they all play the same.

8.5-9.0 max.

And i bet it will score high based on its prestige alone, not actual game.

Wrath of the Lich King wont have a shot at AAA either .... when all they can brag abotu is 1 new tradeskill and "Hair-style change" >>

Meu2k7

9 - 9.5 for me. As for WOTLK, I think i'd get about 8.5, blizzard really hasn't said much, even though it looks like they are trying to even out the PVP a little bit.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

No chance: IMO.

1) It will be heavily penialized for being a rehash or an over saturated form of RTS.

2) Theres a highly likely chance it wont be as balanced as the first, thus being disliked by the korean commmunity and well everybody.

3) The RTS genre has become much broader now, personally I very much dislike the Dune Esque type RTS now ... I just cant be bothered for them, they all play the same.

8.5-9.0 max.

And i bet it will score high based on its prestige alone, not actual game.

Wrath of the Lich King wont have a shot at AAA either .... when all they can brag abotu is 1 new tradeskill and "Hair-style change" >>

jangojay

9 - 9.5 for me. As for WOTLK, I think i'd get about 8.5, blizzard really hasn't said much, even though it looks like they are trying to even out the PVP a little bit.

PvP focus? again? They completely change the entire game's class balance around Arena ... even then it doesnt make sense, im a Priest and I do the following:

PvP Arena = Tank

Raid = DPS

Battleground PvP = Heal or DPS.

I'm nothign but a meat shield, or a DPS .... makes no sense, god I miss Vanilla WoW ... I hate the Arena with a passion ... and the buying epics with honor ... what wasnt blue enough for doing nothing?

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

No chance: IMO.

1) It will be heavily penialized for being a rehash or an over saturated form of RTS.

2) Theres a highly likely chance it wont be as balanced as the first, thus being disliked by the korean commmunity and well everybody.

3) The RTS genre has become much broader now, personally I very much dislike the Dune Esque type RTS now ... I just cant be bothered for them, they all play the same.

8.5-9.0 max.

And i bet it will score high based on its prestige alone, not actual game.

Wrath of the Lich King wont have a shot at AAA either .... when all they can brag abotu is 1 new tradeskill and "Hair-style change" >>

Meu2k7

9 - 9.5 for me. As for WOTLK, I think i'd get about 8.5, blizzard really hasn't said much, even though it looks like they are trying to even out the PVP a little bit.

PvP focus? again? They completely change the entire game's class balance around Arena ... even then it doesnt make sense, im a Priest and I do the following:

PvP Arena = Tank

Raid = DPS

Battleground PvP = Heal or DPS.

I'm nothign but a meat shield, or a DPS .... makes no sense, god I miss Vanilla WoW ... I hate the Arena with a passion ... and the buying epics with honor ... what wasnt blue enough for doing nothing?

I have a 2000 rating and I hate arena as well. The class changes I'm referring to aren't arena specific, they are looking to balance warlock vs mage and warlock vs melee as well as Spriest vs melee. I dunno but I do hope they shift thier focus to the new battlegrounds with siege weapons and what not. I already quit the game because of the direction pvp was headed, I hope they don't keep going down that road.

And yes welfare epics need to go. That's what happens when blizz tries to cater to the masses.

I HOPE the games goes in this direction

Vanilla WoW - Catered to the more hardcore player/focus on bgs

BC - Catered to those who wanted gear for doing literally nothing/focus on arena.

WOTLK - Please find a mid ground and remove arena. Or at least shift focus from arena

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

No chance: IMO.

1) It will be heavily penialized for being a rehash or an over saturated form of RTS.

2) Theres a highly likely chance it wont be as balanced as the first, thus being disliked by the korean commmunity and well everybody.

3) The RTS genre has become much broader now, personally I very much dislike the Dune Esque type RTS now ... I just cant be bothered for them, they all play the same.

8.5-9.0 max.

And i bet it will score high based on its prestige alone, not actual game.

Wrath of the Lich King wont have a shot at AAA either .... when all they can brag abotu is 1 new tradeskill and "Hair-style change" >>

jangojay

9 - 9.5 for me. As for WOTLK, I think i'd get about 8.5, blizzard really hasn't said much, even though it looks like they are trying to even out the PVP a little bit.

PvP focus? again? They completely change the entire game's class balance around Arena ... even then it doesnt make sense, im a Priest and I do the following:

PvP Arena = Tank

Raid = DPS

Battleground PvP = Heal or DPS.

I'm nothign but a meat shield, or a DPS .... makes no sense, god I miss Vanilla WoW ... I hate the Arena with a passion ... and the buying epics with honor ... what wasnt blue enough for doing nothing?

I have a 2000 rating and I hate arena as well. The class changes I'm referring to aren't arena specific, they are looking to balance warlock vs mage and warlock vs melee as well as Spriest vs melee. I dunno but I do hope they shift thier focus to the new battlegrounds with siege weapons and what not. I already quit the game because of the direction pvp was headed, I hope they don't keep going down that road.

And yes welfare epics need to go. That's what happens when blizz tries to cater to the masses.

I HOPE the games goes in this direction

Vanilla WoW - Catered to the more hardcore player/focus on bgs

BC - Catered to those who wanted gear for doing literally nothing/focus on arena.

WOTLK - Please find a mid ground and remove arena. Or at least shift focus from arena

I agree completely, what annoys me though ontop my mates seem to think Arena requires more skill than anything else, when its pretty much the same concept only more limited .... run around in circles and do your job.

I bought World of ****WAR****Craft for large scale battles, not a Guild Wars clone :( dissapointed indeed ... Burning Crusade killed my interest. But I love Arthas and the Undead Story, so il probably buy it anyway.

I agree completely, what annoys me though ontop my mates seem to think Arena requires more skill than anything else, when its pretty much the same concept only more limited .... run around in circles and do your job.

I bought World of ****WAR****Craft for large scale battles, not a Guild Wars clone :( dissapointed indeed ... Burning Crusade killed my interest. But I love Arthas and the Undead Story, so il probably buy it anyway.

Meu2k7

Yea if I do buy this game it's definitely for PVE, I got to down illidan and it was a really great expierence, I could honestly care less about loot. I just killed him twice then quit after that. Also I don't know why people think glorified dueling =skill. I hope the siege weapons and all the other promises make thier way here. I'd love to see it in motion.

5/10

The game is an EXACT COPY of the original, with 3D graphics, that do not even look that good in the first place

I expect the worst of scores for this game, it is 100% same as the previous one from what i have seen

5/10

The game is an EXACT COPY of the original, with 3D graphics, that do not even look that good in the first place

I expect the worst of scores for this game, it is 100% same as the previous one from what i have seen

saolin323

right because certainly replacing 50% of the Units with new materials, heavily altering the rest, adding an adventure mode to Singleplayer, and introducing many new gameplay mechanics is certainly being an exact copy.