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#1 Indie_Hitman
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I highly doubt this is actually why it doesnt sell well in Japan but look at the image in the link below. www.photopassjapan.com/tokyo_-_shibuya/image74.html You can tell the advertisements arent doing much to help because no one can see them. They could have at least made the ad a differant colour to the building or used some lights or something.
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#2 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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It's called brand loyalty.
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#3 acsguitar
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Japan has a space issue I believe. They live in smaller homes then Americans and I believe closer together. Imagine the damage a fire hazard like the x360 could do. It would be awful.

Safety first says PS3. j/k j/k Not a fanboy of any kind

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It's called brand loyalty.siLVURcross
Not even close. It's called National loyalty. They simply won't support a "non" Japanese company.
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#5 one_on_one
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Consoles are kinda like farts, you only like the ones coming out your region.
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#6 yoyo462001
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they hated the first xbox, they dont usually like big pieces of hardware, and its an American console so it will inevitably be harder to get into that region.
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]It's called brand loyalty.Nedemis
Not even close. It's called National loyalty. They simply won't support a "non" Japanese company.

Ipod >> whatever japanese mp3/media player in sales

I think its cause since PS2 blew X360 out of the water with japanese support, MS should've kept cry on in devlopment
and make sure all the other devs tag along

and yeah that ad was a waste of money :lol:

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The 360 is the greatest console this gen, but thses ppl can't see it. Tsk..What a shame,MS deserves better.
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#9 ActicEdge
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There obviously isn't enough games aimed at the Japanese market to grab the game buyers attention. With Nintendo and Sony the market who buys their consoles know what to expect, with the 360 however, they do not. There has to be more reasons to own a 360 than simply a few RPG's otherwise it'll always continue to struggle in Japan.
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#10 Bigboi500
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It's called brand loyalty.siLVURcross
Oh really? PS3 isn't exactly flying off the shelves either. Last gen Japan didn't buy many Gamecubes so I don't think it's about brand loyalty over there.
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#11 FirstDiscovery
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[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"]It's called brand loyalty.Rhubarb9

Not even close. It's called National loyalty. They simply won't support a "non" Japanese company.

Ipod >> whatever japanese mp3/media player in sales

I think its cause since PS2 blew X360 out of the water with japanese support, MS should've kept cry on in devlopment
and make sure all the other devs tag along

and yeah that ad was a waste of money :lol:

Yes iPod and Windows, the only two examples people come up with. Ive studied economics for years, and it is indeed true, the Japanese go out of their way to avoid foreign products
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#12 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Rhubarb9"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"] Not even close. It's called National loyalty. They simply won't support a "non" Japanese company.FirstDiscovery

Ipod >> whatever japanese mp3/media player in sales

I think its cause since PS2 blew X360 out of the water with japanese support, MS should've kept cry on in devlopment
and make sure all the other devs tag along

and yeah that ad was a waste of money :lol:

Yes iPod and Windows, the only two examples people come up with. Ive studied economics for years, and it is indeed true, the Japanese go out of their way to avoid foreign products

Even if that's true can you blame them? Look at what's happened to the US.
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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Rhubarb9"] Ipod >> whatever japanese mp3/media player in sales

I think its cause since PS2 blew X360 out of the water with japanese support, MS should've kept cry on in devlopment
and make sure all the other devs tag along

and yeah that ad was a waste of money :lol:

Bigboi500
Yes iPod and Windows, the only two examples people come up with. Ive studied economics for years, and it is indeed true, the Japanese go out of their way to avoid foreign products

Even if that's true can you blame them? Look at what's happened to the US.

Whats that?:|
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]Yes iPod and Windows, the only two examples people come up with. Ive studied economics for years, and it is indeed true, the Japanese go out of their way to avoid foreign productsFirstDiscovery
Even if that's true can you blame them? Look at what's happened to the US.

Whats that?:|

Products made in other countries, jobs in this country outsourcing.

We in the US depend too much on foreign products and as a result we have lost tons of nation jobs.

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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Rhubarb9"] Ipod >> whatever japanese mp3/media player in sales

I think its cause since PS2 blew X360 out of the water with japanese support, MS should've kept cry on in devlopment
and make sure all the other devs tag along

and yeah that ad was a waste of money :lol:

Bigboi500

Yes iPod and Windows, the only two examples people come up with. Ive studied economics for years, and it is indeed true, the Japanese go out of their way to avoid foreign products

Even if that's true can you blame them? Look at what's happened to the US.

The economic problems are pretty much Global btw.

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#16 Rocky32189
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It doesn't have many games that appeal to Japanese gamers while the PS3 and Wii do. It's really that simple.
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#17 malkiko
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Japan has a space issue I believe.

acsguitar

The "space issue" is the result of too many Japanese living in the urban areas such as Tokyo. The Japanese countryside is so underpopulated to a point that some rural areas will pay people to live there for several months. Since there are too many people living in the urban areas, prices are high which explains the "space issue" as it would be expensive to have more living space.

The main reason why the Xbox 360 does not sell well in Japan has nothing to with the console's national origin, but the type of games it has. Games that appeal to Western tastes, such as first-person shooters, do not appeal to the Japanese who prefer games like Dragon Quest and the software that elitists of System Wars often loath, such as WiiFit. Microsoft should know better that what works well in the West may not work well in the East due to cultural differences.

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#18 hayato_
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Because it doesn't have enough games they want or care for. Thats the anwser to that. Multiplats they can get on the PS3 anyway.

And for people that say they don't buy foreign products are kidding themselves.

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#19 -Mad_Rhetoric-
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Japan has a space issue I believe. They live in smaller homes then Americans and I believe closer together. Imagine the damage a fire hazard like the x360 could do. It would be awful.

Safety first says PS3. j/k j/k Not a fanboy of any kind

acsguitar
:lol: nice one but seriously M$ is tryin so hard
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#20 theMarshell
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Well the orginal xbox didn't do well there, why will the new one do any better?
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#21 FirstDiscovery
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Because it doesn't have enough games they want or care for. Thats the anwser to that. Multiplats they can get on the PS3 anyway.

And for people that say they don't buy foreign products are kidding themselves.

hayato_
It fulfills every genre and has more games than the PS3 and yet they completely ignore it And anyway thinks that foreign products have an easy time in Japan are completely oblivious
[QUOTE="acsguitar"]

Japan has a space issue I believe.

malkiko

The "space issue" is the result of too many Japanese living in the urban areas such as Tokyo. The Japanese countryside is so underpopulated to a point that some rural areas will pay people to live there for several months. Since there are too many people living in the urban areas, prices are high which explains the "space issue" as it would be expensive to have more living space.

The main reason why the Xbox 360 does not sell well in Japan has nothing to with the console's national origin, but the type of games it has. Games that appeal to Western tastes, such as first-person shooters, do not appeal to the Japanese who prefer games like Dragon Quest and the software that elitists of System Wars often loath, such as WiiFit. Microsoft should know better that what works well in the West may not work well in the East due to cultural differences.

Yet more speculation, tell me what genre is lacking and how the PS3 is doing better? The 360 has every genre covered, some are better on the Wii, but in comparison to the PS3, its way ahead. The whole 360 is an American console only argument has been dead for years
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]It's called brand loyalty.Bigboi500
Oh really? PS3 isn't exactly flying off the shelves either. Last gen Japan didn't buy many Gamecubes so I don't think it's about brand loyalty over there.

And I'm pretty sure they bought even less Xbox 1. What's your point?
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#23 campzor
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[QUOTE="acsguitar"]

Japan has a space issue I believe. They live in smaller homes then Americans and I believe closer together. Imagine the damage a fire hazard like the x360 could do. It would be awful.

Safety first says PS3. j/k j/k Not a fanboy of any kind

hahahaha that funny (not sarcasm) :)
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#24 ActicEdge
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I really don't understand all this the Japanese being bias arguement. Just look at the best selling console games this generation in Japan. That should explain why the 360 and its games aren't selling well. Even more so, when the 360 had even a moderate level RPG, it got a hardware boost by quite a few thousands. Vesperia, Remnant, Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery. I think its that the Xbox brand is just terrible in Japan and doesn't have the brand recognition that Ninty and Sony have.
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#25 ChrisSpartan117
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Actually, it's because Japan loves games like RPGs and Wii Sports.
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The 360 is the greatest console this gen, but thses ppl can't see it. Tsk..What a shame,MS deserves better.foreverflame890
i agree the Japanese cant appriciate good games
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#27 Zoso-8
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They don't like poorly made American products. Just look at the reliability of American cars compared to Japanese. Love my honda.
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#28 Zhengi
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[QUOTE="foreverflame890"]The 360 is the greatest console this gen, but thses ppl can't see it. Tsk..What a shame,MS deserves better.naruto7777
i agree the Japanese cant appriciate good games

Or maybe they appreciate different types of games.
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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="hayato_"]It fulfills every genre and has more games than the PS3 and yet they completely ignore it And anyway thinks that foreign products have an easy time in Japan are completely oblivious [QUOTE="malkiko"][QUOTE="acsguitar"]

Japan has a space issue I believe.

The "space issue" is the result of too many Japanese living in the urban areas such as Tokyo. The Japanese countryside is so underpopulated to a point that some rural areas will pay people to live there for several months. Since there are too many people living in the urban areas, prices are high which explains the "space issue" as it would be expensive to have more living space.

The main reason why the Xbox 360 does not sell well in Japan has nothing to with the console's national origin, but the type of games it has. Games that appeal to Western tastes, such as first-person shooters, do not appeal to the Japanese who prefer games like Dragon Quest and the software that elitists of System Wars often loath, such as WiiFit. Microsoft should know better that what works well in the West may not work well in the East due to cultural differences.

Yet more speculation, tell me what genre is lacking and how the PS3 is doing better? The 360 has every genre covered, some are better on the Wii, but in comparison to the PS3, its way ahead. The whole 360 is an American console only argument has been dead for years

There are some games that have released for the PS3, that haven't been released here. Give me a couple of games that the Japanese would prefer on that console other then the.... oh I don't know three or four JRPGs that are out for it that aren't multiplatform. Give me a couple that would jusitfly them buying that console over the PS3 and I am talking about in the future too. Take a glance at famitsus most wanted games and only one of the is X box exclusive (Star Ocean: The Last Hope) while the PS3 had like three or four.
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Wii has more of the wacky japanese games, 360 and ps3 are too western (yes ps3 is included)
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#31 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"]It's called brand loyalty.siLVURcross
Oh really? PS3 isn't exactly flying off the shelves either. Last gen Japan didn't buy many Gamecubes so I don't think it's about brand loyalty over there.

And I'm pretty sure they bought even less Xbox 1. What's your point?

My point is that the Japan people are not brand loyal. Nobody is except the fanboys on game forums.
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360 has picked up more pace as of lately...I mean its by no means good but its about 300% better than regular...then again may be because of xmas holidays.
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#33 SpinoRaptor24
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Because they are buying the wii.
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#34 Parasomniac
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PS3 doesn't sell in America so we can call it even.
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#35 Malta_1980
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maybe just maybe they dont like the 360... even if it has more Rpgs (and Japanese sure love rpgs) most of them are mediocre/average titles so japanese just dont bother getting 360's...

and its not like PS3 is selling millions over there either... seems like the handheld market is the only strong point this gen in Japan..

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#36 azell07
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Many Japanese are racist. Go read info on it. It was shocking. Heh kinda like going to a soccer game in spain (its terrible how they treat African players). The Japanese really dislike non Japanese (mix) citizens and or legal residents. Hmm why doesnt teh xbox 360 sell well in Japan? Who knows.... They are free to buy whatever they want. Just like I havent bought a ps3. Doesnt make me a racist imo. But yea, racism is a problem in Japan, just like every other country in this ugly world.
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Many Japanese are racist. Go read info on it. It was shocking. Heh kinda like going to a soccer game in spain (its terrible how they treat African players). The Japanese really dislike non Japanese (mix) citizens and or legal residents. Hmm why doesnt teh xbox 360 sell well in Japan? Who knows.... They are free to buy whatever they want. Just like I havent bought a ps3. Doesnt make me a racist imo. But yea, racism is a problem in Japan, just like every other country in this ugly world. azell07

Uh, no thats not why 360 is failing in Japan.

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Because Gears and HALO are very American games!
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#39 Dion4ever
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It's because Sony is a more popular brand there, and the Playstation 1 and the Playstation 2 all had great Role-Playing titles, so the Japanese probably assumed so for the Playstation 3. Plus, Square Enix's Role-Playing games that were released for the Xbox 360 didn't do so well in reviews, so the Japanese could of possibly used "word-of-mouth" to spread the bad news about the game. I think there is more than one reason that the Xbox 360 isn't selling that good in Japan.
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#40 Indie_Hitman
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Wow, I only made the thread because I thought the picture was quite funny but sure ok, I think the 360's doing poorly in Japan because they dont trust the brand. The 360 is now renowned for having the RROD and maybe the Xbox is just generally thought of as a crap brand, and so, socially, they dont want to buy it as noone they know has one and they've heard largely negative things about it.
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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Rhubarb9"] Ipod >> whatever japanese mp3/media player in sales

I think its cause since PS2 blew X360 out of the water with japanese support, MS should've kept cry on in devlopment
and make sure all the other devs tag along

and yeah that ad was a waste of money :lol:

Bigboi500

Yes iPod and Windows, the only two examples people come up with. Ive studied economics for years, and it is indeed true, the Japanese go out of their way to avoid foreign products

Even if that's true can you blame them? Look at what's happened to the US

Japan was in recession before the US was BTW, they have posted 1 more quarter of negative growth than most of the G7 (not sure if it is all)

First Disc is right, the japanese go out of their way to adviod anything forien, especially electronics. MS has some of the biggest games that the JP market could ever want, the main reason is pure hatred of forigen products.

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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Even if that's true can you blame them? Look at what's happened to the US.Bigboi500
Whats that?:|

Products made in other countries, jobs in this country outsourcing.

We in the US depend too much on foreign products and as a result we have lost tons of nation jobs.

Amen to that. I would love to see American consumers become alot more loyal to US products, as well. I doubt it will happen, though.
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]

Yes iPod and Windows, the only two examples people come up with. Ive studied economics for years, and it is indeed true, the Japanese go out of their way to avoid foreign productsthegoldenpoo

Even if that's true can you blame them? Look at what's happened to the US

Japan was in recession before the US was BTW, they have posted 1 more quarter of negative growth than most of the G7 (not sure if it is all)

First Disc is right, the japanese go out of their way to adviod anything forien, especially electronics. MS has some of the biggest games that the JP market could ever want, the main reason is pure hatred of forigen products.

Yes. It sure as hell isn't lack of RPGs like some on here were clamouring on about. The Wii and the PS3 both lack a solid JRPG library. Bottom line is the real winner in Japan is the handheld. Look at the market penetration for the DS AND the PSP for that matter. It's crazy.
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#44 KingTuttle
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]Whats that?:|JediRiff
Products made in other countries, jobs in this country outsourcing.

We in the US depend too much on foreign products and as a result we have lost tons of nation jobs.

Amen to that. I would love to see American consumers become alot more loyal to US products, as well. I doubt it will happen, though.

It's hard when some of the US brands just aren't as good. (ahem Automotive). However, in the Videogame industry I think the US has the very best game developers in the world...Japanese developers have lost their edge.
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#45 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"]It's called brand loyalty.Rhubarb9

Not even close. It's called National loyalty. They simply won't support a "non" Japanese company.

Ipod >> whatever japanese mp3/media player in sales

The iPod was a fad...and it's fading. Sales are dropping and people are turning more to smartphones. The "gaijin stigma" is a tough one to break; usually only time can help.

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#46 Cole-Protocal
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who cares.....it more then doubled the XBOX lifetime numbers and NA and europe more then offset any losses.
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#47 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Oh really? PS3 isn't exactly flying off the shelves either. Last gen Japan didn't buy many Gamecubes so I don't think it's about brand loyalty over there.Bigboi500
And I'm pretty sure they bought even less Xbox 1. What's your point?

My point is that the Japan people are not brand loyal. Nobody is except the fanboys on game forums.

They're not brand loyal. They're country loyal. It's part of their character, philosophy, and overall culture, and it goes back centuries if not millennia. And that's not the worst of it. Even now, it's not hard to see what some Japanese feel about Koreans...and vice versa.
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#48 AvIdGaMeR444
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Japan has a space issue I believe.

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The main reason why the Xbox 360 does not sell well in Japan has nothing to with the console's national origin, but the type of games it has. Games that appeal to Western tastes, such as first-person shooters, do not appeal to the Japanese who prefer games like Dragon Quest and the software that elitists of System Wars often loath, such as WiiFit. Microsoft should know better that what works well in the West may not work well in the East due to cultural differences.

Microsoft have worked their butts off for Japan. They have a lot of Jrpgs over there. It isn't helping sell the 360. Japan loves Jrpgs and the PS2 sold really well in Japan as a result. It is about Xbox 360 being a foreign product, nothing more. Yes, Japanese buy Ipods and Windows, but that is really it. It is a failed effort on Microsoft's part. I bet if Microsoft miraculously ended up with all the rights to Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy...360 still wouldn't sell well in Japan.

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#49 ricopogimo
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Is Yakuza 3 and Bayonetta coming to 360? I guess not!
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#50 jonnyt61
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[QUOTE="foreverflame890"]The 360 is the greatest console this gen, but thses ppl can't see it. Tsk..What a shame,MS deserves better.naruto7777
i agree the Japanese cant appriciate good games

Because what -you- think is a good game, is universally a good game, right? Japan isn't America. They have different tastes. As we all know, they love JRPG's and the like, and guess what, each time a JRPG has dropped there, a new influx of buyers! Why would they buy a 360 for Gears2, or Halo 3? Japanese gamers typically -HATE- those types of games. Just because they have different taste to you, doesn't mean they don't appreciate good games. I mean, lets look at your sig/avatar, I'm willing to bet you think FFXII and FFXIII are good games, right? Guess what the number 1 most wanted game is Japan?* That's right, FFXIII. So, going by that, we can ascertain that they -obviously- appreciate good games in -your- opinion, as they want a game that you think is good! Now some people here think Final Fantasy is trash. Obviously, you don't agree. Which one of you is right? Neither. It's called opinions, and tastes. Learn to be more open. This should also explain to 360 fans why the 360 isn't selling in droves there. There's nothing on the console for them. The PS3 is selling there, because there's a number of games that appeal to the Japanese... MGS4, GT5P, WKC. Guess what, only 1 of those is a new IP, and probably earned itself a good word of mouth to get the sales it did, and continues to get. The 360 community in Japan is small, even if there were a good new IP released, chances are, not many would hear about it.