Why the hell would anyone skip the PS5 if its just pure upgrade of the PS4?

The PS5 is confirmed to play ps4 games so your library moves with you and everyone went PS4 due to the 2013 reveal of the xbox one. So you can trade in your ps4 for get a ps5 and you can still play all your old ps4 games on it without needing it anymore. The PS5 is a win win for everyone. The Xbox Two will be pointless it can't play your old PS4 games and your library won't move with you.

Admit it, you're a masochist.

You shouldn't be allowed to make new threads. The PS5 hasn't been revealed, and yet you fellate the nearest Sony object... It's par-for-the-course with you.

@lundy86_4: but Cerny said it would be BC with the ps4 :\

I'm shocked that you can't comprehend what i'm saying. Shocked, I tell you.

I'm skipping the whole gen.

I'm sure that's why they've been working on BC. A "digital library" is much more common and, important nowadays. You shouldn't lose your digital goods.

I’ll keep my pro and trade my x towards anaconda

That's why I think they are doing BC too, well that and it's a lot easier than last time.

@ProtossRushX: Dumb thread. The ps3 could play ps2 titles and that had a rough launch.

And no - not ‘everyone’ went the ps4 route this gen. Not even close.

“The Xbox Two will be pointless it can't play your old PS4 games and your library won't move with you.”

What the **** is this **** that I’m reading. Seriously. What. The. ****.

It's a @ProtossRushX thread. In other words, it makes no fucking sense lol.

@lundy86_4: Yeah no kidding. Just when I think that he’s reached the bottom, he finds another level. ?

The title is confusing. I'll be getting a ps5 for new exclusives to that system. It's nice my PS4 library will carry over(I have over 300 digital games). I only had a handful of digital PS3 games so it wasn't as important this gen. But I think you're right about the 100+ million PS4 owners buying a PS5. No one's gonna leave are those digital games behind for an Xbox. Same with Xbox owners. I expect a 2:1 ratio again in favor of the PS5... Maybe 3:1 since I've seen many people on here say they'll get one to play PS4 games on since they skipped this gen(mostly PC gamers).

Why on Earth did you make this thread?

You think gaming revolves around PS games? When a Nintendo fan an buys an Xbox, do they buy it because they care about if it'll play Nintendo games? The hell is this?

Xbox Anaconda is an upgrade to Xbox Scorpio.

Sony has revealed 8 core Zen v2 CPU for PS5.

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AMD has revealed NAVI RX 5000 GPU series for PS5.

RX 5700 has similar chip area size to RX-480 "Polaris" and 7870 "Pitcairn" GPUs which are baseline GPU design for PS4 Pro and PS4 respectively.

GPU chip area size list

NVIDIA RSX = 258 mm2 for PS3

AMD RX-480 "Polaris" = 232 mm2 for PS4

AMD 7870 "Pitcairn" = 212 mm2 for PS4 Pro

AMD RX 5700 "NAVI ???" = 222.5mm2 (see reference note 1)

1. https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-rx-5700-is-only-the-mid-range-brings-rtx-2070-performance-at-half-the-die-size/

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2070.c3252

RTX 2070's 445 mm2 / 2 = 222.5 mm2

Sony is consistent with GPU selection chip area size.

PS5's GPU count be slightly larger due to semi-custom IP blocks from the next GPU design.

Sony mentions 8K which refers to HDMI 2.1's main feature. HDMI 2.1 also comes with AMD's FreeSync, hence locked 60 hz is not required.

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Sony mentions ray-tracing with audio feature for PS5 which corresponds to AMD's Radeon Rays 3.0 "BHV search" enhancements with TrueAudio Next. https://gpuopen.com/gaming-product/true-audio-next/

• The TAN library may be used in conjunction with Radeon Rays as foundational accelerated algorithms for a complete physics-based audio solution.

8 core Zen 2 chiplet size is about 70 mm2 https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/9uskmh/zen_2_die_size/

PS5 doesn't need desktop Zen v2 PC's IO north-bridge chip.

PS5: 70 mm2 + 223 mm2 = 293‬ mm2 for AMD's main GPU and CPU IP blocks covered.

PS4 APU total area size = 348 mm2

PS4 Pro APU total area size = 321 mm2

Sony has a reasonable chip area budget for semi-custom designs e.g. 55 mm2 chip area for custom work e.g. ray-tracing accelerator or slightly larger NAVI GPU.

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Xbox Scorpio APU has 359 mm2 chip area size with larger GPU in the 285 mm2 range.

I'm switching from ps4 to xbox next gen, I miss halo and gears. My backlog is rediculous I'll proabably be playing the ps4 on off next couple years

I have a Ps4 Pro and will not be getting a Ps5 unless they have more titles that interest me. The only game I loved on Ps4 that I cannot get elsewhere is Ratchet and Clank (and it was a remake).

Not a great showing from Sony for me.

Why you care? People are going to get what's best for them.

CPU power difference has a greater impact on game-play simulation modelling when compare to GPU power scaling e.g. a PC with powerful Intel CPU with GeForce 920M GPU can play PC RTS game while it's very hard for Nintendo Switch and both devices has similar GPU power.

8 core Zen v2 at 3.2 Ghz has about 880 GFLOPS FP32 while 8 core Jaguar at 1.6 hz has about 110 GFLOPS FP32. Both CPUs support rapid pack maths with FP16. CPU power scale difference between PS4 vs PS5 is about 8X.

Didn't get PS4. Very unlikely that I'll get a PS5, since PS has never had an interesting enough library to warrant owning one.

This is why you shouldn’t create threads while drunk...

Because I was very disappointed with the PS4 and I promised myself that this time I will not buy the next Sony console until they give me a good reason to buy it. And the movie-games that Sony is obsessed with this generation is not going to do it for me. Hopefully next generation they start offering more variety if they want my money.

I am not going to scold any children today.

My PS4 can already play PS4 games, so that's not a huge selling point.

Must I?

Yes, it seems I must. lol :P

I bought a launch ps4 and I'm skipping ps5 through the launch window. My reasons are that I simply like the switch better and I don't play the ps4 as much.

Are you seriously like this in real life?

+1

I'll be upgrading my PC this year and won't be looking back.

Some people just go with the flow if you know what I mean. For example Annie has completely working iPhone 7 but she wants XR because it's new and she wants to join the crowd :) At least I think so :)

@mojito1988: sounds like you need to buy the switch if R&C is the only game that draws you in. (I love the series as well )

Plenty of games with the same vibe there. They just might not look as good.

Nice, I'm deciding what case I want. Wondering if it is worth splashing the cash for a Ghost S1.

@Random_Matt: that looks really cool. How is the airflow and cooling?

To enrage lemming and other xbox defenders and he quite succeed it doing so,even rondemencia is here...lol

Nothing you say here has do to with this thread and your incredible effort to make the xbox next look better totally failed.

Well it would require an additional pieces to be stacked on the bottom and top (Costs more money). You can then have a 240 AIO in the bottom and fans in the top. As much as I prefer SFF, costs are spiralling past 300 euros, may look at the Ncase M1, A4-SFX or DA2 from Streacom.

Got till July to decide anyway.

I think you are in need of a medical check up of the psychiatry kind.

That is a seriously nice case, but damn is it expensive. I do like how it's a small form-factor case, but still easily (and then some) accommodates full sized cards.

@Random_Matt: I have a corsair case and am very happy with it. Great airflow and cooling. Plus it's the best looking case I've had so far.

I am too, library is too big. Need to beat some of these PS4 exclusives and many many multiplat gems.

I can't understand what this thread is about.

I can't understand what this thread is about.

If I stick to ATX, then it is the SL600M for me from Coolermaster, then I'll also accompany that with the ML360R.

PS4 is a huge disappointment and ultimately has done nothing but collected dust for the last few months...basically since I purchased it. I used to say that I don't regret buying it, but wouldn't do it again; well, I definitely regret buying it. Played some of the exclusives and, frankly, SONY can take their exclusives and shove 'em right up their butts.

Anything that would convince me to buy a PS5 won't occur until well after release, so you can boast about its Navi this and 20 cores this and blah blah blah for all I care.

Because I'l probably use it a dozen times in 6 years again?

It's games will be streamable on PC anyway

This isn't talking about you in general, just that, whenever I see this type of comment, I always ask this question. What exactly are gamers looking for when purchasing PlayStation console? Out of all the exclusive games I played on PS4, it was indeed worth the price I paid for on launch day and while it does take a little longer for Sony releasing exclusives, the wait was worth it, I played awesome exclusives this gen had to offer and yes, they are a hit or a miss but rarely they were a miss.

I'm devoted to PC, I'm a gamer and I don't like missing anything that comes my way. But however, I can safely say that Nintendo Switch has been getting way more play then my PS4 as of now.

Note the comment "The PS5 hasn't been revealed," You fail yet again.

I am definitely biased in favor of PC so the "best of _____" is always getting compared to the "best of PC", and frankly it never measures up.

With that said, I also recognize that bias and try to judge things on their own merit, which is all the more surprising that I find PS4 exclusives relatively boring. If you take away their production values and glitz and glamour, they are really shallow games. God of War is a walking simulator with occasional bits of combat, and way too frequent loading-screens-in-disguise. Horizon: Zero Dawn has an incredible first 10 hours but becomes toil after that; and I don't mean that I got bored with it, it just became a repetitive task and that is toil (my country has OSHA laws against that kind of stuff :D ). Spider-Man was good, but not as good as people made it out to be. There are some others that did not hold my attention.

I didn't buy my PS4 until about six months ago when I could get one really cheap, and I tried to give it a chance. I really did. I would not have spent the money on it if I was not interested, and I definitely did not want to waste my purchase so I played quite a few exclusives. But it's just boring to me.

That, and frankly I am a little too stubborn to get good at controllers; I just keep hearing in the back of my head "This would be easier and more fun with mouse and keyboard, this would be easier and more fun with mouse and keyboard, this would be easier...". Why the PS4 OS supports mouse and keyboard but the games do not, I will never understand.

TL;DR: to answer your question, I am looking for fun games. Games that put gameplay first. Games that don't rely on starpower, fads, tricks, gimmicks to bring in a crowd. The games on PS4 rarely seem to sell themselves; instead, it's always "so and so is making this game HYPE HYPE HYPE!" or "This game takes full advantage of *insert tech thing*" or "*random celebrity* is voicing the main character" or "Biggest open world to date".

This is already happening with PS5; people are too obsessed with technological key words and hyping the hell out of things they know nothing about to really think about the big picture. It's like going to a restaurant and getting excited for a meal because of the brand of stove the chef cooks on.

Now that's a good explanation and totally understandable about PS4 problem in ways. I don't often look harder on PS4 exclusives flaws, I like to play the game from start to finish and I will say, Horizon Zero Dawn is still my all time favorite PS4 game and nothing really comes to close to it, maybe God of War 4 & Spider-Man but that's about it and no, they aren't anything special, just good games I enjoy. I'm an all-around gamer from gameplay to cinematic & cinematic to gameplay.

About PS5, I too noticing console gamers are all over this 8K stuff and that's not something I care, I want to know about the games, what Sony has to offer PS5 and if this is all about 8K which they are trying to trick gamers, then I'm out. I want games, not high-end specs and I can get higher specs on my PC which I already have now.

(I wasn't expecting a reply but thanks)

Then get an xbox it will be so much better for you.

No you are the one that has failed but what else is new.

That can be say about every game,if you do that with most PC games,you just get a truck load of rehash games that play about the same.

There is nothing grown breaking on PC or consoles but consoles for generations now had been running with the highest rated exclusives is no coincidence.

That bullshit a bout gameplay is play out,you people need to stop making shit up about Ps games having no gameplay,the games get hype because they deserve it,that is bullshit that die hard crying lemmings will use not PC gamers,a game is a game the fact that some PS4 exclusives get great scores mean they were great,people need to let go of the hate on high rated ps exclusives that score well,is not 1 source something are 90 or more with the same judgement.

This remind me how lemmings use to hype halo,gears forza because of the high 90's score,and how games like warhawk,the first uncharted,resistance were some how bad because they didn't reach 90,now this gen for them even Ryse is great some how with a score of 60.