Why the hell would anyone skip the PS5 if its just pure upgrade of the PS4?

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#51  Edited By ronvalencia
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@tormentos said:

@ronvalencia said:

Note the comment "The PS5 hasn't been revealed," You fail yet again.

No you are the one that has failed but what else is new.

You can't read. You failed yet again.

@lundy86_4 said:

You shouldn't be allowed to make new threads. The PS5 hasn't been revealed, and yet you fellate the nearest Sony object... It's par-for-the-course with you.

Try again Tormented.

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#52  Edited By mrbojangles25
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There is nothing grown breaking on PC or consoles but consoles for generations now had been running with the highest rated exclusives is no coincidence.

That bullshit a bout gameplay is play out,you people need to stop making shit up about Ps games having no gameplay,the games get hype because they deserve it,that is bullshit that die hard crying lemmings will use not PC gamers,a game is a game the fact that some PS4 exclusives get great scores mean they were great,people need to let go of the hate on high rated ps exclusives that score well,is not 1 source something are 90 or more with the same judgement.

This remind me how lemmings use to hype halo,gears forza because of the high 90's score,and how games like warhawk,the first uncharted,resistance were some how bad because they didn't reach 90,now this gen for them even Ryse is great some how with a score of 60.

There is plenty ground-breaking on PC. Not so much on console. There is stagnation on console. It's one open-world game after open-world game after Souls-like after Souls-like.

The most innovative game to come out on PS4 in recent memory was Tetris. TETRIS!!! Are you kidding me!?!?!

Games on PS4 get hyped because of marketing. It's the same reason Britney Spears sells a shitload of albums; is it because she is talented, a good singer? No. It's because her shit is catchy and marketed well. Consoles are the pop music equivalent in gaming.

Of course, this occurs on PC when there are multiplats to consider, but at the same time the open-ended structure of PC development lends itself to new types of games, new types of gameplay, and so on when it comes to original games. I don't even want to call them exclusives because I hate dick-measuring by that metric, they're just original games. Innovation does not really occur on console; any new tech is generally used to make what is already established bigger and better, not new and improved.

PS5 is not here yet, but I already know how it's going to go. There will be another Uncharted game, and it will sell well. There will probably be another Horizon: Zero Dawn game, and it will sell well. There will probably be another Spider-Man game, and it will sell well. They will have all these flashy games with no loading screens and all this unimportant stuff but there will be no progress. We will be playing on 8K screens except we will be playing the same nonsense we were playing ten years ago.

You console folks love to talk shit about retro games and 2D graphics on PC, but at least those games are fresh experiences. I can't say that about the flashiest and best-selling games on console.

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#53  Edited By ronvalencia
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@mrbojangles25 said:
@tormentos said:

There is nothing grown breaking on PC or consoles but consoles for generations now had been running with the highest rated exclusives is no coincidence.

That bullshit a bout gameplay is play out,you people need to stop making shit up about Ps games having no gameplay,the games get hype because they deserve it,that is bullshit that die hard crying lemmings will use not PC gamers,a game is a game the fact that some PS4 exclusives get great scores mean they were great,people need to let go of the hate on high rated ps exclusives that score well,is not 1 source something are 90 or more with the same judgement.

This remind me how lemmings use to hype halo,gears forza because of the high 90's score,and how games like warhawk,the first uncharted,resistance were some how bad because they didn't reach 90,now this gen for them even Ryse is great some how with a score of 60.

There is plenty ground-breaking on PC. Not so much on console. There is stagnation on console. It's one open-world game after open-world game after Souls-like after Souls-like.

The most innovative game to come out on PS4 in recent memory was Tetris. TETRIS!!! Are you kidding me!?!?!

Games on PS4 get hyped because of marketing. It's the same reason Britney Spears sells a shitload of albums; is it because she is talented, a good singer? No. It's because her shit is catchy and marketed well. Consoles are the pop music equivalent in gaming.

Of course, this occurs on PC when there are multiplats to consider, but at the same time the open-ended structure of PC development lends itself to new types of games, new types of gameplay, and so on when it comes to original games. I don't even want to call them exclusives because I hate dick-measuring by that metric, they're just original games. Innovation does not really occur on console; any new tech is generally used to make what is already established bigger and better, not new and improved.

PS5 is not here yet, but I already know how it's going to go. There will be another Uncharted game, and it will sell well. There will probably be another Horizon: Zero Dawn game, and it will sell well. There will probably be another Spider-Man game, and it will sell well. They will have all these flashy games with no loading screens and all this unimportant stuff but there will be no progress. We will be playing on 8K screens except we will be playing the same nonsense we were playing ten years ago.

You console folks love to talk shit about retro games and 2D graphics on PC, but at least those games are fresh experiences. I can't say that about the flashiest and best-selling games on console.

PS5's higher CPU power enables games to be different not just rendering CPU's view-port at higher resolution by the GPU.

At 3.2 Ghz CPU for PS5, it would be about 8X over PS4's CPU in logic driven GFLOPS which is different from mostly stream driven TFLOPS from GPUs.

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#54 NathanDrakeSwag
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Nobody is skipping the PS5. If they say they are they're lying.

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#55 R4gn4r0k
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If I stick to ATX, then it is the SL600M for me from Coolermaster, then I'll also accompany that with the ML360R.

What do you think of the new PCIe 4.0 SSDs that were announced?

Are you looking to put something like that in your next gaming PC? Or would the extra speed not really matter for games?

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@R4gn4r0k said:
@Random_Matt said:

If I stick to ATX, then it is the SL600M for me from Coolermaster, then I'll also accompany that with the ML360R.

What do you think of the new PCIe 4.0 SSDs that were announced?

Are you looking to put something like that in your next gaming PC? Or would the extra speed not really matter for games?

I know Aorus are releasing an 8TB SSD which costs more than a complete rig, I kid you not. I'm sure they will be fast as lightening, am I that bothered initially? Not particularly, it would be the last thing I would upgrade a rig with, and it would be up to developers to work with an SSD for games.

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#57 R4gn4r0k
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@Random_Matt said:

I know Aorus are releasing an 8TB SSD which costs more than a complete rig, I kid you not. I'm sure they will be fast as lightening, am I that bothered initially? Not particularly, it would be the last thing I would upgrade a rig with, and it would be up to developers to work with an SSD for games.

I won't be putting any HDDs in my next rig. I'll be going with a 1TB SSD which will be plenty for games.

i'll also be moving my older SSD from my current rig and use that for the OS and programs.

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#58 WickedMuffin
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@vaidream45: lol quite agree with you

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#59  Edited By deactivated-618bc23e9b1c9
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Because Sony has moved its PlayStation HQ from Japan to California, the capitol of the new progressive liberal. They've taken the job of the ratings board by censoring content they have no business censoring in the name of left wing politics.

They also have a terrible stance on not allowing cross play with other platforms, which means they don't allow those with PlayStation systems to play games with those who own other platforms.

I want nothing to do with this modern, woke Sony going forward.

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#60  Edited By sealionact
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@ProtossRushX: So you're sure that xbox 2 wont play ps4 games? Wow. I had no idea....definately getting a ps5 because it plays xbox games too....win, win.

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#61 tormentos
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@briguyb13 said:

Because Sony has moved its PlayStation HQ from Japan to California, the capitol of the new progressive liberal. They've taken the job of the ratings board by censoring content they have no business censoring.

They also have a terrible stance on not allowing cross play with other platforms, which means they don't allow those with PlayStation systems to play games with those who own other platforms.

I want nothing to do with this modern, woke Sony going forward.

New Modern Warfare game promises Call of Duty crossplay on PS4, Xbox One and PC.

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/1134169/New-Modern-Warfare-game-Call-of-Duty-crossplay-PS4-Xbox-One-PC

That's yesterdays news sony now allows it,just like MS didn't allow cross play even with PC at the start of this gen even less other consoles.

Cross play between consoles is NEW not a thing yet,but certainly Sony was a pioneer on it this gen pushing cross play with PC from day 1,also MS refused last gen to allow it as well when sony wanted to,so basically you are a bit wrong here.

@mrbojangles25 said:

There is plenty ground-breaking on PC. Not so much on console. There is stagnation on console. It's one open-world game after open-world game after Souls-like after Souls-like.

The most innovative game to come out on PS4 in recent memory was Tetris. TETRIS!!! Are you kidding me!?!?!

Games on PS4 get hyped because of marketing. It's the same reason Britney Spears sells a shitload of albums; is it because she is talented, a good singer? No. It's because her shit is catchy and marketed well. Consoles are the pop music equivalent in gaming.

Of course, this occurs on PC when there are multiplats to consider, but at the same time the open-ended structure of PC development lends itself to new types of games, new types of gameplay, and so on when it comes to original games. I don't even want to call them exclusives because I hate dick-measuring by that metric, they're just original games. Innovation does not really occur on console; any new tech is generally used to make what is already established bigger and better, not new and improved.

PS5 is not here yet, but I already know how it's going to go. There will be another Uncharted game, and it will sell well. There will probably be another Horizon: Zero Dawn game, and it will sell well. There will probably be another Spider-Man game, and it will sell well. They will have all these flashy games with no loading screens and all this unimportant stuff but there will be no progress. We will be playing on 8K screens except we will be playing the same nonsense we were playing ten years ago.

You console folks love to talk shit about retro games and 2D graphics on PC, but at least those games are fresh experiences. I can't say that about the flashiest and best-selling games on console.

1-Please point to me the so call grown breaking games that PC is getting.

2-Games get Hype because of marketing on PC as well.

3-PS has been a pinnacle on those and sony has been extremely open to new ideas,some work some don't.

4-Well PC is here already is has been here for a long time unchanged,and will continue to be that way,hermits bragging about 20% faster IPC or GPU performance while keep getting the same games and playing old garbage.

Please man tell me what is so ground breaking about this ^^?

Dude at least i can see that both PC and consoles are stagnated.

@ronvalencia said:

You can't read. You failed yet again.

@lundy86_4 said:

You shouldn't be allowed to make new threads. The PS5 hasn't been revealed, and yet you fellate the nearest Sony object... It's par-for-the-course with you.

Try again Tormented.

Your post had nothing to do with this thread stop making threads into tech arguments.

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#62  Edited By deactivated-618bc23e9b1c9
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@tormentos: One game? wow. I don't play CoD so that does nothing for me. What about games like DQB 2? Yeah they need to do better than that if they want my money. Like ditching politics for starters.

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@tormentos:

@tormentos said:
@thatdbfan said:

Why on Earth did you make this thread?

You think gaming revolves around PS games? When a Nintendo fan an buys an Xbox, do they buy it because they care about if it'll play Nintendo games? The hell is this?

To enrage lemming and other xbox defenders and he quite succeed it doing so,even rondemencia is here...lol

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@lundy86_4 said:

You shouldn't be allowed to make new threads. The PS5 hasn't been revealed, and yet you fellate the nearest Sony object... It's par-for-the-course with you.

Sony has revealed 8 core Zen v2 CPU for PS5.

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AMD has revealed NAVI RX 5000 GPU series for PS5.

RX 5700 has similar chip area size to RX-480 "Polaris" and 7870 "Pitcairn" GPUs which are baseline GPU design for PS4 Pro and PS4 respectively.

GPU chip area size list

NVIDIA RSX = 258 mm2 for PS3

AMD RX-480 "Polaris" = 232 mm2 for PS4

AMD 7870 "Pitcairn" = 212 mm2 for PS4 Pro

AMD RX 5700 "NAVI ???" = 222.5mm2 (see reference note 1)

1. https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-rx-5700-is-only-the-mid-range-brings-rtx-2070-performance-at-half-the-die-size/

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2070.c3252

RTX 2070's 445 mm2 / 2 = 222.5 mm2

Sony is consistent with GPU selection chip area size.

PS5's GPU count be slightly larger due to semi-custom IP blocks from the next GPU design.

Sony mentions 8K which refers to HDMI 2.1's main feature. HDMI 2.1 also comes with AMD's FreeSync, hence locked 60 hz is not required.

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Sony mentions ray-tracing with audio feature for PS5 which corresponds to AMD's Radeon Rays 3.0 "BHV search" enhancements with TrueAudio Next. https://gpuopen.com/gaming-product/true-audio-next/

  • The TAN library may be used in conjunction with Radeon Rays as foundational accelerated algorithms for a complete physics-based audio solution.

8 core Zen 2 chiplet size is about 70 mm2 https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/9uskmh/zen_2_die_size/

PS5 doesn't need desktop Zen v2 PC's IO north-bridge chip.

PS5: 70 mm2 + 223 mm2 = 293‬ mm2 for AMD's main GPU and CPU IP blocks covered.

PS4 APU total area size = 348 mm2

PS4 Pro APU total area size = 321 mm2

Sony has a reasonable chip area budget for semi-custom designs e.g. 55 mm2 chip area for custom work e.g. ray-tracing accelerator or slightly larger NAVI GPU.

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Xbox Scorpio APU has 359 mm2 chip area size with larger GPU in the 285 mm2 range.

Nothing you say here has do to with this thread and your incredible effort to make the xbox next look better totally failed.

I guess you lack basic reading comprehension. I wasn't upset that he said the next Xbox would be would pointless, It was his stupidass, cow reasoning behind it.

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Hm...maybe because I don't feel like spending $500 on a new console and I don't trust gaming companies to begin with. Sure, the PS5 might be able to improve on the graphics on PS4 games via BC, but I really don't see a real need for it yet. A want? Yes, but not a need as far as I'm concerned.

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#66 lamprey263
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Persona 5 was mainly reason I got PS4, if the series went across the board multiplat then I'd need something else big to get me to get one.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: Meh, same reasons for buying one next gen as this gen. With BC, which ps4 made you pay for.

So same reasons for skipping.

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@ProtossRushX: By that rationale, no one should have left Xbox for the PS4, yet here we are...

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Meh, I probably will wait and see instead of day 1. I didn't use my PS3 much and my PS4 even less because I can't stand the controller and I prefer the Live on-line. The only exclusive this gen that I really liked was HZD. Many of the rest were crap; although a lot of them were earlier gen and I just haven't cared enough to get GOW or Spidey so if I got them I might get back on the bandwagon. Skip entirely? Maybe not. Delay? Probably so.

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#70 spiritomolto
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A "pure upgrade" over PS4 doesn't necessarily offer enough to make buying it worth it. So someone with very little interest in whatever new PS5 has might make the decision to not bother with the new system.

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#71  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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Seems to me "if its just pure upgrade of the PS4" that would be the reason NOT to get it. At least, that was the argument many were making against the Pro and X.

Of course, we know it will be more than that. But it helps to get the story straight

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@briguyb13 said:

Because Sony has moved its PlayStation HQ from Japan to California, the capitol of the new progressive liberal. They've taken the job of the ratings board by censoring content they have no business censoring in the name of left wing politics.

They also have a terrible stance on not allowing cross play with other platforms, which means they don't allow those with PlayStation systems to play games with those who own other platforms.

I want nothing to do with this modern, woke Sony going forward.

....the ****?

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#73  Edited By ronvalencia
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You should not be allowed to make new threads. The PS5 hasn't been revealed, and but you fellate the nearest Sony item... It's par-for-the-path with you.

There's only a single set of physics laws. PS5 is not a magical box.

AMD already revealed PS5 being NAVI based.

Sony already revealed PS5 has "8 core Zen v2".

My Ryzen 5 2500U with 25 watts TDP can reach ~3 Ghz and nearly rivals Intel Core i7-3770K in Cinebench R15. 7 nm version can double the CPU core count to 8 cores.

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@StormyJoe said:

@ProtossRushX: By that rationale, no one should have left Xbox for the PS4, yet here we are...

People left the xbox for the PS4 because the PS4 isn't $600 like the PS3 and MS doesn't have a huge gap in price like last gen,again sony went back to been sony cheap console great games and the dominance is obvious.

But the real problem here if that you think the xbox brand is as big as the PS,which not even in US is true.

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@tormentos said:
@StormyJoe said:

@ProtossRushX: By that rationale, no one should have left Xbox for the PS4, yet here we are...

People left the xbox for the PS4 because the PS4 isn't $600 like the PS3 and MS doesn't have a huge gap in price like last gen,again sony went back to been sony cheap console great games and the dominance is obvious.

But the real problem here if that you think the xbox brand is as big as the PS,which not even in US is true.

I guess the 360 selling over 85 million units world wide, and actually beating the PS3 worldwide for most of last gen never happened then?

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#77  Edited By EG101
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I skipped PS4 but a fully BC PS5 would be very tempting especially if Sony can get those Pro games to display at Native 4K on the PS5.

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Why does Tc continue to embarrass himself like this? Lol

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#79 ChrisChronos
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But what if the PS5 has no exclusives and shares all of it's games with the PS4 and is essentially just an upgrade machine for multiplats?