Why the NGP may actually outsell 3DS

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#51 Mozelleple112
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NGP looks to be a VASTLY SUPERIOR system aswell.

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#52 dommeus
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NGP and 3DS will both be highly succesful systems, no doubts about that. However, most people believe that the 3DS will outsell the NGP because they are reminded of what happened with DS vs PSP battle. DS was aimed at casuals, PSP was aimed at hardcore gamers. And this handheld gen almost looks the same, but will we really get the same results? I don't think so. Here's why:

1) Most casual gamers are playing on smartphones and tablets nowadays. The audience who purchased millions of DS units are the same audience that like to play games on smartphones. They understand that the 3DS is superior, but smartphones are considered "good enough". This is where hardcore audiences step in. A hardcore gamer would never play an FPS game on a 3-inch touchscreen device with virtual analog pads. If Nintendo were strategic, they would try their best to make the 3DS appeal to both hardcore and casual gamers. You can't always rely on casuals all the time.

2) The NGP is powerful enough to play games that use Unreal Engine 3 and similar engines. This means it can share multiplats with PS3, 360, PC, etc. Don't be surprised if some future games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, BioShock, Fallout,and various others come out for NGP.Activision confirmed that CoD is coming to NGP (likely MW3), so don't expect the NGP to have a poor library.

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If I had a console/PC that could play all those games, why would I buy a handheld to play them?
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#53 WiiCubeM1
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This isn't really aimed at anybody, just why I believe the 3DS will probably outsell the NGP.

Graphics can only get you so far. What I and most other retrogamers believe is that today's hardcore line-up juts lacks the spark of the quirky and addicting gameplay of older games. It is these games that the Nintendo handhelds always seem to get. Sony's problem has always been that they look to much into the future. They turn down games that stay true to tried and proven playing styles in favor of the modern, gimmicky styles of gameplay. Granted, this has worked in the past on a few titles, such as Loco-Roco and LittleBig Planet, but these titles are descendants of old platforming styles. It is my prediction that the NGP will suffer the same fate as the PSP: garnering a small, but loyal, fanbase while quietly fading away on the sidelines, while Nintendo handhelds continue to march on in the spotlight due to its adaptibility and quality games that garner a large fanbase. To most gamers, all this technical stuff doesn't mean much to us. Companies may throw these big and fancy words to make their systems seem more advanced than the competition, but what it boils down to is that in the end a system is judged on its reliability, its gameplay, its control, and its own style. The NGP does seem like a nice system, but Sony is getting to caught up in its mission to end Nintendo's reign at the top in the handheld market with its advanced systems that they are forgetting the one thing that decides a system's success: the consumer's preference. Sony leans too much on its 3rd party developers, while Nintendo has a healthy balance between quality first-party titles, well-designed 3rd party titles, and a wide range of obscure shovelware titles. It's just my opinion, but Nintendo just seems to be the only game company anymore to care more for the quality of its games and hardware than the money they make on pumping out mediocre ideas and advnaced systems designed just to outsell competition, not actually meant for the gamers it is marketed to, plus the NGP is basicaly just a PSP with some hardware upgrades, a touchscreen (not very original), and a second nub. You don't have to agree with me, that is just how I feel on the modern gaming as a whole.

Another reason would be that while the NGP may be getting COD, it just never feels right to play a shooter on anything but an analog controller. I am a die-hard Nintendo fan, don't get me wrong, but I can't stand playing a shooter with clunky motion controls. Also, Activison has expressed interest in making COD for 3DS, so I don't believe that NGP people can use that as an advantage, especially considering that even though the NGP and PSP have better graphics, that still doesn't overcome the fact that controls on a handhels are often rigid and clumsy, with a high learning curve for anyone, and yes I know that the NGP is supposed to have dual analog. The nub never really worked on the PSP, and the 3DS isn't much better, it might be worse. Mine has gotten stuck on more than one occasion.

It's like I said, the PSP may attract hardcore gamers and people who just want to seem cool to their friends by abandoning Nintendo, but casual gamers far outnumber hardcore gamers, and Nintendo still has a far larger fanbase than Sony, or the PS3 and the PSP would have sold better. Again, you don't have to agree with me, I was just analyzing the situation. (I'm a economics major in college with an interest in video games, this is the result of that)

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#54 killeracer0210
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May be.... but IMO NGP will have much better racing games than 3DS.

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#55 tagyhag
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We'll just have to wait and see. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I see no reason why the casual buyer would get an NGP, and the 3DS will take that slice.
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#56 WiiCubeM1
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May be.... but IMO NGP will have much better racing games than 3DS.

killeracer0210

I will agree with you there, unless the Mario Kart 3DS coming out is better than the one on the DS.

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#57 JustPlainLucas
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I don't know... I can't really see it happening. Nintendo's held down the handheld fort for so long, and I don't see them doing anything wrong with the 3DS. Even with the highest price point in Nintendo's handheld history, the thing's still selling well.
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#58 Coolyfett
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[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="93BlackHawk93"]

3DS will have Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, Dragon Quest and possibly Monster Hunter too, so I don't think so. ;)

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no mh for 3DS...If you want MH get an NGP.

3DS just launched and unless you know what will happen for the next 3-6 years, your claim is laughable at best. RE4 was supposed to be a GC exclusive yet a PS2 version was made.

Coolyfett is laughing at you. That game is not coming. Play Pokemon and call it day dude.

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#59 Coolyfett
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NGP looks to be a VASTLY SUPERIOR system aswell.

Mozelleple112

That is why it will sell less...and anyone who buys one has nothing to be sad of ashamed of. Its like being said that you bought a Cadillac because the Chevy Impaler sold more cars. The cheaper products sell the most.

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#60 p3anut
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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="Asim90"]

Pretty sure the PSP has been outselling the DS and 3DS in Japan consistently for quite some time now. It also has an install base of 60 million. Irrelevant?

Heirren

Its outselling the DS :lol: ? Yeah ok buddy hope you can sleep at night knowing the psp is a lil less irrelevant.

He's right. The psp, in japan, is a whole different story.

The PSP might be selling more than the DS right now in a monthly basis, but look at the overall sales and it's a whole different story, the PSP still has a lot of catching up to do. The only reason the PSP is outselling the 3DS is because at the moment it's getting better games. Once the 3DS starts getting the killer apps, OOT, Starfox, Kid Icarus, Kingdom Hearts, Reseident Evil etc etc, the 3DS is gonna be selling more.

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#61 p3anut
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[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

no mh for 3DS...If you want MH get an NGP.

Coolyfett

3DS just launched and unless you know what will happen for the next 3-6 years, your claim is laughable at best. RE4 was supposed to be a GC exclusive yet a PS2 version was made.

Coolyfett is laughing at you. That game is not coming. Play Pokemon and call it day dude.

Capcom's CEO Haruhiro Tsujimoto has made a statement that's rather confusing. It's quite hard to see what his intent was. Long story short, Mr. Tsujimoto was talking about the Monster Hunter series and the 3DS within the same interview, and a statement he made has people wondering if Monster Hunter is going to land on 3DS.

'3DS is releasing, too, so (it seems like) the time to switch to a new platform is coming'

Don't count the 3DS out buddy.

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=146262

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#62 killeracer0210
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[QUOTE="killeracer0210"]

May be.... but IMO NGP will have much better racing games than 3DS.

WiiCubeM1

I will agree with you there, unless the Mario Kart 3DS coming out is better than the one on the DS.

Well as i know Mario Kart DS did out score every other PSP racing games but it doesn't mean DS has better racing games than PSP.
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#63 demonic_85
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A month ago I would have agreed that the NGP would outsell the 3DS but a lot of people have lost faith in Sony after the PSN data breach. The 3DS is nowhere near as popular as Nintendo would like it be, perhaps thats why they priced it higher to make up for the loss in sales. The cheap 3D effect is simply a gimick that gives a lot of people headaches just playing it.

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#64 SuperFlakeman
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I don't know... I can't really see it happening. Nintendo's held down the handheld fort for so long, and I don't see them doing anything wrong with the 3DS. Even with the highest price point in Nintendo's handheld history, the thing's still selling well. JustPlainLucas

Some people have argued that, in one gen alone, Nintendo went from having "90%" of the market to 66%, due to PSP's 60 mil. Marketshare is practically irelevant imo, as it doesn't reflect reality, you can have all the market share in the world, but with no profit what's the point?

People think that Sony and MS' 50m actually means something compared to Wii, which by the looks of it is merely 35 mil above in sales, but if you check out the profit figures, then Nintendo is like ten thousand times ahead this gen. They didn't just win, it was by a landslide, more impactful even than Sony's PS2, no kidding, considering profits and the fact that Wii is still the fastest selling console actually, but I think it will die down faster than PS2, but still for so many years it has been ahead of PS2 launch to date wise.

GBA vs NDS sales: 80m -> 150m

Sure Sony grabbed 1/3 of the market, but Nintendo almost doubled their sales. As a reference, the original GB line (GB, GBC, GB Pocket; excluding GBA) sold 120m. NDS is Nintendo's best selling hardware, period. It doesn't matter that Sony grabbed 1/3, from Nintendo's perspective, because it's not like PSP took away from Nintendo sales.

That said I don't think NGP will win market share wise anyway. At least at this point it's unlikely.

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#65 SuperFlakeman
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A month ago I would have agreed that the NGP would outsell the 3DS but a lot of people have lost faith in Sony after the PSN data breach. The 3DS is nowhere near as popular as Nintendo would like it be, perhaps thats why they priced it higher to make up for the loss in sales. The cheap 3D effect is simply a gimick that gives a lot of people headaches just playing it.

demonic_85

Studies have shown that 4/5 people who experience stereo 3D will not be affected by any of the side effects, and also are able to view the 3D effect. 80% is also being generous. There where other studies that resulted in 85%

Nintendo isn't stupid, they actually research facts before making decisions that could potentially hurt them badly. And it's not like 3D blind people can't enjoy 3DS games, as Nintendo put up a policy stating that every game made for 3DS, has to be fully playable in "2D" mode.

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#66 crusadernm
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I used to think it was laughable but the more i see how Nintendo is addressing the N3DS, the more of a failure I think it is. so NGP has a good shot but I think Sony will equally shoot themselves in the foot.

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#67 dzimm
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The cheap 3D effect is simply a gimick that gives a lot of people headaches just playing it.

demonic_85

A few things 1) 3D is not a cheap effect; on the contrary, it is quite tangible and effective; 2) It's not a gimmick as it can and does have a meaningful impact on gameplay; 3) The vast majority of people have no problems with the 3D; complaints about headaches and eye strain are coming from a vocal minority and haters who played the 3DS for a couple of minutes at Best Buy.

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#68 tormentos
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[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

2) The NGP is powerful enough to play games that use Unreal Engine 3 and similar engines. This means it can share multiplats with PS3, 360, PC, etc. Don't be surprised if some future games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, BioShock, Fallout,and various others come out for NGP.Activision confirmed that CoD is coming to NGP (likely MW3), so don't expect the NGP to have a poor library.

SaltyMeatballs
But would you get an NGP for those or just get a PS3 with better graphics? At least the ports Nintendo are doing will give you a superior experience to the previous version, Zelda OOT and Starfox 64. NGP won't outsell 3DS because it doesn't have Pokemon and Mario.

The PSP doesn't have Mario or Pokemon an is outselling the 3DS and DSI in Japan without much problem.
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#69 tormentos
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[QUOTE="demonic_85"]

The cheap 3D effect is simply a gimick that gives a lot of people headaches just playing it.

dzimm

A few things 1) 3D is not a cheap effect; on the contrary, it is quite tangible and effective; 2) It's not a gimmick as it can and does have a meaningful impact on gameplay; 3) The vast majority of people have no problems with the 3D; complaints about headaches and eye strain are coming from a vocal minority and haters who played the 3DS for a couple of minutes at Best Buy.

From TV's to theaters 3D causes eye discomfort in fact in TV adds about 3D tvs they in the small letters actually state it,that 3D images do cause eye discomfort,is not just the 3DS is everything 3D,even the PS3.
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#70 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

2) The NGP is powerful enough to play games that use Unreal Engine 3 and similar engines. This means it can share multiplats with PS3, 360, PC, etc. Don't be surprised if some future games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, BioShock, Fallout,and various others come out for NGP.Activision confirmed that CoD is coming to NGP (likely MW3), so don't expect the NGP to have a poor library.

tormentos

But would you get an NGP for those or just get a PS3 with better graphics? At least the ports Nintendo are doing will give you a superior experience to the previous version, Zelda OOT and Starfox 64. NGP won't outsell 3DS because it doesn't have Pokemon and Mario.

The PSP doesn't have Mario or Pokemon an is outselling the 3DS and DSI in Japan without much problem.

In present weeks? Yes. Overall? No.

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Something I just found out is that the NGP is speculated by Sony to have the same $250 price tag as the 3DS, and might even surpass it, making it the most expensive handheld in history. Just throwing this out there so the fight doesn't become over price.

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#72 Pixel-Pirate
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outsell a Nintendo handheld

Bigger men have tried. Oh hey look, coincidentally they all no longer make consoles!

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[QUOTE="ULTIMATEZWARRIO"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] But would you get an NGP for those or just get a PS3 with better graphics? At least the ports Nintendo are doing will give you a superior experience to the previous version, Zelda OOT and Starfox 64. NGP won't outsell 3DS because it doesn't have Pokemon and Mario. nintendoboy16

now imagine if it did have pokemon:D sigh, but such dreams wikl never come true

Sorry, but that wouldn't feel right. Sony should make an IP that actually should compete with Pokemon. Capcom and Monster Hunter just aren't cutting it (I say this because some people compare Pokemon and MH).

so sony should make 3 games...and just update the graphics and pokedex every generation??? lolz jk pokemon is great just never changed or evolved...

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#74 shinrabanshou
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I don't know about outsell, but priced well, it will likely be competitive.

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Last gen handhelds I would've said you were wrong because PSP wasn't powerful enough for it to really eclipse the DS's touch screen.

This gen, the PSP2 graphics are amazing (Uncharted looks awesome) AND it has a touch screen AND a camera AND 3G.

So I can see it outselling

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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] But would you get an NGP for those or just get a PS3 with better graphics? At least the ports Nintendo are doing will give you a superior experience to the previous version, Zelda OOT and Starfox 64. NGP won't outsell 3DS because it doesn't have Pokemon and Mario. nintendoboy16

The PSP doesn't have Mario or Pokemon an is outselling the 3DS and DSI in Japan without much problem.

In present weeks? Yes. Overall? No.

In recent week.? The PSP outsold the DS in 2010,this year the PSP is actually outselling the DSI 2 to 1,and the 3DS is beating the PSP by 90,000 or so,even with the boost on release,the sales have slow down quite a bit.To give you an example the week of May 8 the PSP beat the 3DS by some 26,000 units,the week before that one by some 49,000 that is 75,000 more PSP sold in just 2 weeks than 3DS,a few more weeks like that and the PSP will lead the sales of portables in Japan for the year in motion.
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Last gen handhelds I would've said you were wrong because PSP wasn't powerful enough for it to really eclipse the DS's touch screen.

This gen, the PSP2 graphics are amazing (Uncharted looks awesome) AND it has a touch screen AND a camera AND 3G.

So I can see it outselling

OB-47

I have to disagree with you. The 3DS has great graphics (for a handheld), and has a touch screen and camera. The 3G is most likely going to have people buying the NGP paying for their online, so I am not a big supporter of it, plus the capability of the 3G is going to jack the price up on top of that.

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#78 tormentos
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[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Last gen handhelds I would've said you were wrong because PSP wasn't powerful enough for it to really eclipse the DS's touch screen.

This gen, the PSP2 graphics are amazing (Uncharted looks awesome) AND it has a touch screen AND a camera AND 3G.

So I can see it outselling

WiiCubeM1

I have to disagree with you. The 3DS has great graphics (for a handheld), and has a touch screen and camera. The 3G is most likely going to have people buying the NGP paying for their online, so I am not a big supporter of it, plus the capability of the 3G is going to jack the price up on top of that.

I does but the NGP one are better,not to mention the NGP like the 3DS that features 3D,got something else as well the pad on the back,3G will rise the price but not by much,remember this is Sony not apple. They look pretty even both having something going up for it,the only thing i say it can hurt the NGP is a delay because of how bad japan is,or because the problem sony is facing.
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NGP and 3DS will both be highly succesful systems, no doubts about that. However, most people believe that the 3DS will outsell the NGP because they are reminded of what happened with DS vs PSP battle. DS was aimed at casuals, PSP was aimed at hardcore gamers. And this handheld gen almost looks the same, but will we really get the same results? I don't think so. Here's why:

1) Most casual gamers are playing on smartphones and tablets nowadays. The audience who purchased millions of DS units are the same audience that like to play games on smartphones. They understand that the 3DS is superior, but smartphones are considered "good enough". This is where hardcore audiences step in. A hardcore gamer would never play an FPS game on a 3-inch touchscreen device with virtual analog pads. If Nintendo were strategic, they would try their best to make the 3DS appeal to both hardcore and casual gamers. You can't always rely on casuals all the time.

2) The NGP is powerful enough to play games that use Unreal Engine 3 and similar engines. This means it can share multiplats with PS3, 360, PC, etc. Don't be surprised if some future games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, BioShock, Fallout,and various others come out for NGP.Activision confirmed that CoD is coming to NGP (likely MW3), so don't expect the NGP to have a poor library.

PandaBear86

While I am excited to get my hands on the NGP, you clearly know very little about "hardcore" gamers.

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#80 WiiCubeM1
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[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Last gen handhelds I would've said you were wrong because PSP wasn't powerful enough for it to really eclipse the DS's touch screen.

This gen, the PSP2 graphics are amazing (Uncharted looks awesome) AND it has a touch screen AND a camera AND 3G.

So I can see it outselling

tormentos

I have to disagree with you. The 3DS has great graphics (for a handheld), and has a touch screen and camera. The 3G is most likely going to have people buying the NGP paying for their online, so I am not a big supporter of it, plus the capability of the 3G is going to jack the price up on top of that.

I does but the NGP one are better,not to mention the NGP like the 3DS that features 3D,got something else as well the pad on the back,3G will rise the price but not by much,remember this is Sony not apple. They look pretty even both having something going up for it,the only thing i say it can hurt the NGP is a delay because of how bad japan is,or because the problem sony is facing.

You have a point there