Why the PS3 is going to lose the system wars

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#1 Opalescent
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Not that I think it'll disappear the way of the Dreamcast (may it rest in peace). But it will be relegated to struggling to catch up, much like the Xbox was last generation against the all-mighty unbeatable PS2.

Before I start I should mention that I own both consoles and in fact bought the Playstation 3 first, followed by an Xbox 360. So it's not as though I've never played either of the consoles. Now that I've got that out of the way, let's get to why I think the PS3 is going to lose.

Time

The PS3 was a bit late on the timing, coming out a full year after the Xbox 360 (similar to how the original Xbox came out on the tail end of the Playstation 2). A year was enough time for the Xbox to grab a lot of exclusives, and of course after Halo 3 the 360 got a huge boost of momentum.

Marketing Strategy

Sony seems to be making a lot of very strange decisions. First, they cut out the 20gb version (why?), thus eliminating the cheap entry-point system. It's a damn good thing they're making a 40gb version but it's too little, too late. The whole reason for a cheap entry-point system is for the vast majority of people who don't have $600 to blow on a system (like, umm, me. I had to get my 60gb version for $450, used). If they had, for instance, a no-hard drive system for, maybe, $300, that MIGHT induce people to buy it (considering that the PS3 can take any 2.5" SATA notebook harddrive, upgrading the HDD is very easy on the PS3).

As long as Sony decides to over-price the PS3 without offering a cheap entry-level version (and the 40gb version doesn't really count, it's still more expensive than both the Core 360 and the Premium), the only people that will buy it will be idiots like me, cows, and 20-something techies making 80k+ a year with nowhere to spend their money.

Game selection & online play

Yes, I have quite a few games on the PS3. Yes I'm expecting a lot more too. But still, I'm in the minority. I happen to like JRPGs (Final Fantasy, Folklore), and shooters (Warhawk, Resistance). I also happen to be a Ratchet and Clank fan. But for most people out there, they want to melt face online, and there's where the PS3 falls flat on its face. The Playstation Network is frankly unimpressive. There's practically no voice chatter, and while there's usually people online, there's no way to tell what they're like (no gamercard for the PS3).

Xbox LIVE is infinitely superior to the PSN, and probably because it's been around for much longer. Sony really needs to get its act together if it wants to beat Microsoft at this. Oh and one other thing: the PS3 is technically far superior to the Xbox in terms of the kind of graphics it can push out, but I've not seen any developer take full advantage of that yet. Has there been any game out that beats Gears of War graphically? If there has I haven't played it.

This on top of the fact that Sony has been hemmoraging exclusives like crazy. Losing Assassin's Creed wasn't a very smart move, if you ask me. I was going to get it for the PS3, now I'm getting it for the Xbox. Why? The Achievements, of course :). Yeah, you'd probably get a statue in Playstation Home for playing Assassin's Creed ... next year. Sometime. Or you could get achievements on launch day.

Momentum

Momentum is built when you start moving. Then intertia takes you along; it's easier to keep running than it is to start running. Microsoft had a rough start for the Xbox 360, but that's because, like I said, it's harder to start than it is to keep going. Most consoles have rough starts, but Microsoft had a year to get their act together. And they did. And they had the HUGE advantage of not having any competitors making their job harder. Now the PS3 is relatively new, so some of the problems can be attributed to just working out the kinks, but they're doing it while trying to fend off the 360. So which would you choose? A relatively new, unproven system, or the well-established 360?

But the real loser is going to be...

PCs, I predict. I remember a long, long time ago, when I walked into a GameStop, or EBGames, or any other game store, there were whole shelves of PC games. Even a shelf for Macintosh games. And of course, the back row was full of PS2 games and a few Xbox and Gamecube ones too. Now, the whole store is covered wall to wall in 360, PS3, and Wii games, and there's maybe one shelf of PC games, and most of them are more than five months old. While the PS3 is going to lose the system wars I think the biggest loser is going to be the PC - it's always going to be the "also-ran", the system that console games are going to be ported to "eventually, when we have time, maybe".

I think the real reason that PCs are getting less attention is, ironically, because of the Xbox 360. A little history lesson now: back when the Playstation was out, Microsoft was (justifiably) worried that console gaming would overtake PC gaming (if you ask me it already has). Obviously, PC gaming was big for Microsoft, so it wanted to protect its market. It decided to release its own console to match the Playstation 2: the DirectX Box (to show off the DirectX capabilities of the Xbox). Later that got shortened to just "Xbox". But since it now had its own console to support, I get the feeling Microsoft isn't so hyped up about PC games anymore since it doesn't need to worry about it so much.

Let the flaming begin! :) :) :)

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Am going to bookmark this page for future reference.
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#3 GarchomPro
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How do you lose a forum?
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#4 Logan832
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Even the bigger question.... Why the hell do people care?
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#5 grandlx2
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You're 100% wrong.

Ps3 will come in 2nd place as it will dominate the Xbox in a few months. The price drop of the Ps3 will break MS.

But it can't defeat Nintendo. Nintendo has already dominated this console war.

1. Nintendo (dominates world wide)

2. PS3 (slowly gaining ground for 2nd locked position)

3. Xbox 360 (only sells in US, rest of the world barely buys it, this is why it will be 3rd place)

And the PC has nothing to do with the console. And no, the PC (gaming side of it) sells more than the Consoles do.

Take an example.. World of Warcraft. 7 Million users. Take the 2nd largest rpg, 4 million users. Take the fps games all around the world specially that new TF2 which will probably have over 5 million users. Don't forget UT3 which will dominate. Oh... and many many other games that continue giving the PC more power. *Cough Starcraft 2, the new rpg warhammer online with over 400k people signing up for its beta so far)

Please don't include the PC in console wars. The PC has no rivals.

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#6 Nugtoka
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I stoped reading at PS3 is going to lose.

Moooooo

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#7 Arjdagr8
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ur post makes a lot of sense and i get what your saying. Im still going to buy a ps3 for mgs4 and a few of the other games, but i guess 360 has a lot of great games with lots of sales. Only problem im worried about is that if i buy a 360, ive basically bought a ticking time bomb with an unknown countdown.
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I have to say you make compelling arguments. I agree.
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#9 SOLID_SOULJA
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You're 100% wrong.

Ps3 will come in 2nd place as it will dominate the Xbox in a few months. The price drop of the Ps3 will break MS.

But it can't defeat Nintendo. Nintendo has already dominated this console war.

1. Nintendo (dominates world wide)

2. PS3 (slowly gaining ground for 2nd locked position)

3. Xbox 360 (only sells in US, rest of the world barely buys it, this is why it will be 3rd place)

grandlx2

time will tell my brother.... time will tell!!!

you 360 fans are just funny. you guys are so.. ooohh!! dont make me say it.

like it or not the ps3 is winning this gen, you know it is too. if someone asks you why the ps3 will loose the only true reason you would give is that it doesnt have much exclusives but all this crap about...whatever it is you posted...is all just bull!!!!!!!!

your 360 is kool and all but how long is it going to last

the ps3 will still be alive when ms makes the xbox 720!!!!

so ill tell you like i told my friend who tried to flame sony in the bus today "Start saving up for the xbox 720 because its coming"

microsoft didnt leave any room for innovation that my friend, is the reason why theyll loose

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#10 grandlx2
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I edited my message. scroll up a bit. :)
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#11 groudyogre
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How do you lose a forum?GarchomPro

Foolish comment...

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#12 TheBradley13
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PC gaming biggest losers?

PC gaming will never lose...

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#13 akuma303x
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there are a lot of people responding with childish remarks. You guys all are making the PS3 look worse on your own. He uses LOGIC to explain his point of view. At least you could have the Integrity to use LOGIC in your responses. Unfortunetly that is a bit much to ask from most of the posters in these forums.
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[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]How do you lose a forum?groudyogre

Foolish comment...

very much agreed.
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#15 Marcbarr1
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The topic creator is true,I owned a 360 but sold it to buy a PS3 and now I have gone and bought a 360 elite and building up my game collection again,WHY? Because the PS3 sits and sits without being used at all.Anyone who thinks the PS3 is better than the 360 is only fooling themselves because it is all about the games and online gamingand PS3 does not have them! The 360 to me is the greatest gaming machine ever created and anyone who thinks the PS3 is not as noisy is talking rubbish,after 30 minutes of being on its just as noisy as a 360 and totally unsuitable for watching movies and yes my PS3 has been exchanged 3 times for being to noisy and it has plenty of room around it.So if you want a games console buy a 360,if you want a machine that is jack of all trades but master of none buy PS3.Please do not say I am a fanboy because I own 360,PS3 and wii but if I had to own one it would be 360 with no doubts at all. Thanks for reading

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#16 legol1
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i agree totally with the tc 8)
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#17 buuzer0
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Do PC gamers really still buy their games at EB and Gamestop nowadays? Just curious.
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#18 bad82man82
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Sony's biggest mistake isn't the late launch, see the Wii and how it rise from the dead, the PS3 would be easily in war with the Wii if it had a great titles for launch, franchises like PES or Tekken or MGS or at least 4 RPG titles for this year...etc, the generic launch titles and all the delays and cancellation of games is the reason why PS3 isn't what supposed to be, if PES 2007 and WWE raw Vs SD 2007, MGS 4, DMC 4...etc were on the PS3 this year, you would have noticed something else, but this mistake will not stop it from succeeding beginning from this Holiday season with all the best franchises out there( PES 2008, first appearance on PS3, WWE 2008 first appearance on PS3, true next gen NFS first appearance on PS3, HAZE, Uncharted, Folklore, R&C, AC, GT5: prologue, plus a great promising library of multiplats).

The biggest mistake is the bad launch titles.

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#19 rob1101
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i kind of agree but the part about the PC being last is complete utter BS. PC gaming will never die and will always be superior. The PC has so many genres that cannot be experienced on consoles, like RTS and MMOS. And FPS games are always one step ahead. Its not going to die because (almost) everyone has a PC now. The PC is in a whole differnt class.

360 is in second now. Nintendo is in fist. and i think the PS3 will be on top again in the long run.

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#20 Opalescent
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I'd like to take time out to note that, by far, the Xbox 360 is the worst console on the market in terms of reliability. Let's face it, even we lemmings are forced to admit that the Red Rings of Death happen way too often for the 360's own good. But look at it in a different way: the Xbox 360 is still wildly popular despite its (rather significant) technical woes. Technical woes that, mind you, would cripple just about any of its competitors. Would you buy the Playstation 3 if it cost $600 and had around 30%-50% failure rate? Neither would I.

Just to clarify: I love my Playstation 3. Just because I love my console and the games I own on it, however, doesn't mean I'm not well aware that it will probably still lose the console wars. It's just a matter of coming to my senses. Unless Sony starts making radical changes to the Playstation Network, it won't be a new Xbox LIVE. And unless it gets its act together, not many besides the affluent or the extreme fanboys will be able to afford the Playstation 3 (or at least, have the patience to save up long enough to purchase one).

As for the Wii - I have never played it. Never seen it played ... ergo I can make no statements about it. All I can say about the almighty Wii is that it does not, at least on the surface, seem to appeal to my particular kind of gamer. It seems tailored to the kind of gamer who never used to buy a console (any kind of console), because they were uncomfortable with analog sticks and button pushing and trigger pulling. I might be wrong about that, but the Wii-mote really looks kinda gimmicky to me. But what do I know, I never tried it.

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#21 Breackneckboy
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Dude...you liked the Dreamcast?:shock:

grandix2,why do you say that the nintendo would win?Its actually a close battle between the Nintendo and the PS3.No w8 scratch that,,BOTH of them sell worldwide.Sony dominated E3 and TGS with awesome games.So I'd have to say the PS3 will win,with nintendo closely behind.

The good:

Nintendo:addictive games,fun motion sensitve controller plus low price.

Sony: Dazzling graphics to aid already sensational games,huge memory and Blu-ray player!:)

The bad:

Nintendo:Graphics can't match PS3 or Xbox 360's,lower memory

Sony:High price,have 2 w8 for really good games.

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#22 ff7isnumbaone
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lol when xbox came out and when ps3 came out is flawed arguement. thats was the first xbox and this the third ps3. the last two sold 100 million +. The playstation name is the definition of a the word console since for almost 10 years. Most poeple who aren't hardcore gamers dont have any interest for a console similiar to a playstation.
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#23 johnnieblue
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How can the PS3 win this gen? Sure, it's selling as much as the 360 was a year ago, but currently the 360 is selling twice as much as the PS3. Even if the PS3 starts selling as much as the 360 is now, it'll still lose.
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#24 Nagidar
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You're 100% wrong.

Ps3 will come in 2nd place as it will dominate the Xbox in a few months. The price drop of the Ps3 will break MS.

But it can't defeat Nintendo. Nintendo has already dominated this console war.

1. Nintendo (dominates world wide)

2. PS3 (slowly gaining ground for 2nd locked position)

3. Xbox 360 (only sells in US, rest of the world barely buys it, this is why it will be 3rd place)

And the PC has nothing to do with the console. And no, the PC (gaming side of it) sells more than the Consoles do.

Take an example.. World of Warcraft. 7 Million users. Take the 2nd largest rpg, 4 million users. Take the fps games all around the world specially that new TF2 which will probably have over 5 million users. Don't forget UT3 which will dominate. Oh... and many many other games that continue giving the PC more power. *Cough Starcraft 2, the new rpg warhammer online with over 400k people signing up for its beta so far)

Please don't include the PC in console wars. The PC has no rivals.

grandlx2

You expect the PS3 to sell 5 million+ in a few months? Even if the 360 stopped selling consoles all together, the PS3 could not catch up.

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#25 osirisomeomi
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They got rid of the 20 gig because it wasn't selling well at all. It was selling 1:10 against the 60 gig.

As for removing hte HDD, it would make most current PS3 games unplayable, since they require the HDD.

Also, an awful lot of people, myself included, don't really want to melt face online. I kinda just want to play on my own, or with some friends. Maybe the ocasional online session, if it doesn't cost anything.

I generally agree with your points. However, these problems are all fixable. We'll see how things end up after next year.

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#26 sam890
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How can the PS3 win this gen? Sure, it's selling as much as the 360 was a year ago, but currently the 360 is selling twice as much as the PS3. Even if the PS3 starts selling as much as the 360 is now, it'll still lose.johnnieblue

-_-.......why would it lose if it starts selling as much as the 360 and still lose

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#27 teufelherz
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I don't know if the PS3 will actually lose. I might get a PS3 at some point, but that will happen when God of War 3 hits and even then I'll wait some time to find out if it's at least as good as the other two. By the time that game comes out, many other good games wiil be out like MGS4 and FF13 (hopefully FF will prove to be MUCH better than past games), so basically, even if I do buy a PS3 to enjoy those games, I'll be getting every other game on my Xbox 360.
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#28 Chipp
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PS3 isn't going to lose the war, its already lost it. Its just to late for the system to make this magnificant comeback like some people are predicting. I think the PS3 will get a few good games eventually, but it will always be overshadowed by the 360. The amount of PS3 consoles needed to be sold to catch up to the Wii and 360 is very unrealistic. Especially if you consider how the Wii and 360 won't magically stop being sold.

A lot of people look at the loss as a bad thing, but its not. Its good that they lost and maybe they will look at the mistakes they made with building the system. One that should be obvious is reading the gaming market as people who are heavily into video. I game, but I don't watch tv or movies at all. It was a bad move by Sony, along with the ridiculous price. I'd say they are getting exactly what they deserve. But like I said, its not bad. It will just help them improve on their next console instead of using the Playstation name alone to sell consoles. They will have to rely on more than that next go around.

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#29 snipe2004
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i thought crystal ballin was a dying sport?
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#30 rocket9434
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And you know this how? This is simply your opinion, we will wait and see how things will turn out.