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#1 Booger_Boarding
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The Gamecube had the hardware to produce some visually arresting games, complete with several amazing graphical effects that look impressive even by today's monumental standards.

Rebel Strike



F-Zero GX



Luigi's Mansion



Metroid Prime



RE4



LOZ:WW



Nintendo now believevs that graphical capabilities have reached a "saturation point", and although the Wii is stated to be 3-4x more powerful than the Cube, they have deliberately fallen out of the techincal arms race to focus on gameplay.

That being said, although the Cube games mentioned before are the cream of the crop aesthetically, I still expect Wii games to look equal to or 3-4x better than these last-gen games WITH immersive gameplay through the Wiimote controller.

I think Nintendo's gameplay>graphics arguement has been either lazily adopted by developers or just misinterpreted, because the only game that seems more aesthetically beautiful than last-generation titles is Super Mario Galaxy.

This has paved the way for developers (e.g from Ubisoft) to abuse this philosphy, and it seems that only 1st party titles are producing quality titles at the momment.

Which i think is a great shame, since it seems the Wii has in a sense demolished the 4-5 years of progression the Cube went through.

In many Wii titles it seems as if the advances made during the Cube's life have just completely halted (Super Mario Strikers Charged/Batallion Wars 2/Far Cry/Splinter Cell) and present a grim future for the new console.

I am by no means a graphics whore, but i do however appreciate games with decent production value that evidently show progression through the years.











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#2 sexy_luigi
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will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?
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will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?sexy_luigi

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed.  Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo.  You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is.  Check my profile for more info. 

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#4 General_X
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3-4x more power doesn't equal 3-4x better looking...
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#5 Firelore29
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Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible.  They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.

Disaster.

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#6 justdog11
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Early in-game gamecube? Beautiful.

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#7 the-very-best
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will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?sexy_luigi


It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.

Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.
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Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible. They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.

Disaster.

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It truely is a sad day for gaming.
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[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?FoamingPanda

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.



You take this system wars thing far too seriously. Composing articles on why the wii is terrible? Nintendo is outselling all of the next gen systems so far and people will always find ways to damage control it, but you take it to an extreme that suggests that videogames have lost all meaning to you.
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Certainly seems that graphics have hit a saturation point if the games coming out for the Wii look no better than PS2 stuff.  Especially since the Wii is capable of better.  Doesn't that sort of... you know... support their point of graphics hitting a saturation point?

Yes people can do over-the-top graphics, but, when it comes to developers in general, it seems pretty true that a saturation point has been reached.  It's not that lazy developers only started with the Wii afterall, you can find a good share of poorly put together games graphically on any system in any generation of console.
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#11 shaggymcp
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Nintendo is OVERCHARGING for there system + saving TONS of money on development time, cause the games look like crap, compared to MS or Sony, who are spending like what ? 5 X ? 10 X what nintendo is spending to make a game ?

Ill give it to Nintendo, they are making a smart buisness move, but the bottome line is fan's are getting ripped.

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[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?the-very-best


It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.

Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.

They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.
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Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible.  They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.

Disaster.

Firelore29

Their target market:

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[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?the-very-best


It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.

Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.



Nintendo isn't competing for the same audience that embraces GTA and Halo. Ask yourself, did GTA help the psp?
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?Strider212


It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.

Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.

They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.



Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.

Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.
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[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?sexy_luigi

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.



You take this system wars thing far too seriously. Composing articles on why the wii is terrible? Nintendo is outselling all of the next gen systems so far and people will always find ways to damage control it, but you take it to an extreme that suggests that videogames have lost all meaning to you.

And yeah, for the most part, video games have lost all meaning, cannot harness the true potential of current-gen technology, and are quickly losing their ability to become an artform comparable to any other form of popular media.  Nintendo, more so than any other company within the industry, is very much at the forefront of the bastardization of gaming.   Do not think of critcism in terms of damage control.  Critcism against a console, as long as it is valid, exceeds the petty conflict you attempt to perscribe as its cause. 

I take it seriously because one of my favorite hobbies is failing to evolve into bigger and better things.  A hobby I once enjoyed is becoming increasingly dominated by crappy commercialism, power marketing, and being dumbed down in all the wrong ways. 

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Nintendo now believevs that graphical capabilities have reached a "saturation point", and although the Wii is stated to be 3-4x more powerful than the Cube, they have deliberately fallen out of the techincal arms race to focus on gameplay.

--> As much as I disagree with the saturation point of the graphics, I would say that it's because of further emphasis on graphics that console prices of X360 and PS3 increased in price. Furthermore, as evidence in the PS2, XBox,and even the GC era, games became too much of a reharsh and graphic improvement than gameplay. Games are recycled over and over again. Sure, Mario is worst case, but at least, finally, it going to be played differently unlike other games where the improvement is mostly graphics and goodies rather than gameplay. It's too early to judge if Wii philosophy is failing because it's still selling a lot compare to the other two consoles.

That being said, although the Cube games mentioned before are the cream of the crop aesthetically, I still expect Wii games to look equal to or 3-4x better than these last-gen games WITH immersive gameplay through the Wiimote controller.

--> Then again, this is one of the first bias I see in your post. In all fairness, Wii is just few months old like the PS3 is a few months old yet like the X360 graphics is better arguement. I beginning to think that you are more of a hardcore gamer. It become apparent that the graphic arguement is becoming vague because so far, Wii is prooving that gameplay > graphics due to their sales as it was proven already by NES, SNES, PS1, and PS2.

I think Nintendo's gameplay>graphics arguement has been either lazily adopted by developers or just misinterpreted, because the only game that seems more aesthetically beautiful than last-generation titles is Super Mario Galaxy.

--> I understand the developers because of the time pressure they have, the time of developement, and learning to develop new things like wiimote controls are hard. However, new things don't come easier as the case of PS2 cpu and gpu. Nevertheless, If Wii continues to sell like this, expect the developers to work harder. Nintendo gave a good idea as Microsoft even agree to, it's up to the developer to embrace it or be conservative.

This has paved the way for developers (e.g from Ubisoft) to abuse this philosphy, and it seems that only 1st party titles are producing quality titles at the momment.

Which i think is a great shame, since it seems the Wii has in a
sense demolished the 4-5 years of progression the Cube went through.

--> I can still see the Wii for 5 years and I beleive it's graphics will improve regardless. reagrding to the progression, the Cube as least is 5 years, the XBox is just 4 years. But it's hard to see the future, I even thought that the PS2 was obsolete but games keep coming in especially from Japan. So far, Wii is winning grounds in Japan comapre to PS3, and that's not a good thing for Sony.

In many Wii titles it seems as if the advances made during the Cube's life have just completely halted (Super Mario Strikers Charged/Batallion Wars 2/Far Cry/Splinter Cell) and present a grim future for the new console.

I am by no means a graphics whore, but i do however appreciate games with decent production value that evidently show progression through the years.

--> decent in terms of graphics does not state how long the console will progress. Remember, there are way more PS2 complaints on development than Wii so far, and so far, PS2 proved it wrong. I appreciate it too to have better graphics, but that DOES NOT mean that the Wii philisophy will FAIL. Basically, their main philisophy is that games suppose to be fun than art which is true in case of the PS2 as well. Art makes the game better but it is not the sole factor of the game. Gameplay covers 4/5 of the game value like replayability, tilt, etc.. except graphics.

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[QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?the-very-best


It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.

Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.

They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.



Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.

Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.

I can't imagine a single casual who's excited for Super Paper Mario.....

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[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?sexy_luigi


It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.

Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.



Nintendo isn't competing for the same audience that embraces GTA and Halo. Ask yourself, did GTA help the psp?



Oh, I definitely agree that Nintendo are competing for the non gamer audience...the likes that enjoy Nintendogs, Singstar, Eyetoy, Brain Training but they are called "non gamers" for a reason, mainly because there isn't a huge amount of them out there.

Nintendo have definitely alienated casuals which guarantees success for either Sony or MS in that market and they've also turned away most hardcore gamers since Sony/MS have more games for those type of gamers.

Btw, a) PSP lost because Nintendo are still the most trusted in the handheld market, b) GTA didn't help the PSP because it was a spin off, c) if GTAIV had been on the PSP exclusively then PSP would have much more sales right now.
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[QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?the-very-best


It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.

Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.

They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.



Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.

Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.



nintendo is appealing to non gamers

non gamers >>>>>>>> casuals + gamers in numbers

you're also assuming that casuals will go off and buy a 400$ or 600$ system anyways. Nintendo's GTA and Halo is wii sports, brain training and whatever else they come up with that appeals to non gamers
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[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?FoamingPanda

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed.  Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo.  You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is.  Check my profile for more info. 

Funny considering consoles are designed for one thing, and thats playing games. Sony and M$ seem to think that gamers should have to shell out over 400 dollars for a console and a couple of games while adding all this useless crap like Live Arcade and Home. Gamers shouldnt be forced to pay huge amounts of money just to play games, its all about the experience and having fun. Thats something people like you need to learn. Nintendo's philosophy is one that is making them money and innovating the gaming world and tools like you are too blind to realise that they are the only company who is trying to turn around the gaming industry instead of just rehashing consoles and franchises with the same old gameplay. Also, Wii sales debunk any arguments that its going to be a crap system, cause so far myself like many have enjoyed what we got out of it and the future is going to be great for the system. Besides I dont want to have to wait 2 years for my favourite franchises to come out and not having enough games to play inbetween the big titles, which is what is going to screw over Sony and M$.

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[QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?the-very-best


It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.

Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.

They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.



Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.

Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.

The funny thing is they are flocking to the Wii right now without any of those. How can you beat that?
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That's not even a screenshot of Metroid Prime. It's from Echoes, which was built on a completely new engine. I don't recall anyone (least of all Nintendo) stating that the Wii is 4 to 5 times more powerful than the Cube. Judging by the specs, the Wii is, at most, twice the power of the Cube. However, specs can be misleading. On paper, the Cube looked only about 4 times more powerful than the 64, but we all know it was more than that.
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[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?FoamingPanda

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.



You take this system wars thing far too seriously. Composing articles on why the wii is terrible? Nintendo is outselling all of the next gen systems so far and people will always find ways to damage control it, but you take it to an extreme that suggests that videogames have lost all meaning to you.

And yeah, for the most part, video games have lost all meaning, cannot harness the true potential of current-gen technology, and are quickly losing their ability to become an artform comparable to any other form of popular media.  Nintendo, more so than any other company within the industry, is very much at the forefront of the bastardization of gaming.   Do not think of critcism in terms of damage control.  Critcism against a console, as long as it is valid, exceeds the petty conflict you attempt to perscribe as its cause. 

I take it seriously because one of my favorite hobbies is failing to evolve into bigger and better things.  A hobby I once enjoyed is becoming increasingly dominated by crappy commercialism, power marketing, and being dumbed down in all the wrong ways. 



So why don't you rag on the appropriate people to make bigger and bigger things?  You don't go walking into fast food restaurants and demand they shut down or give you a 7-course meal do you?  People tend to go to an actual restaurant for that stuff.  You pay more, you get the better food and service.
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http://video-games.search.ebay.com/wii_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsacatZ62054

thats all i got to say ebay has almost 2000 wii's online for sale
 
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[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?FoamingPanda

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.



You take this system wars thing far too seriously. Composing articles on why the wii is terrible? Nintendo is outselling all of the next gen systems so far and people will always find ways to damage control it, but you take it to an extreme that suggests that videogames have lost all meaning to you.

And yeah, for the most part, video games have lost all meaning, cannot harness the true potential of current-gen technology, and are quickly losing their ability to become an artform comparable to any other form of popular media. Nintendo, more so than any other company within the industry, is very much at the forefront of the bastardization of gaming. Do not think of critcism in terms of damage control. Critcism against a console, as long as it is valid, exceeds the petty conflict you attempt to perscribe as its cause.

I take it seriously because one of my favorite hobbies is failing to evolve into bigger and better things. A hobby I once enjoyed is becoming increasingly dominated by crappy commercialism, power marketing, and being dumbed down in all the wrong ways.



Im confused about what meaning they held for you in the first place. I don't know about you, but videogames were meant to be for fun, not an artform. And where do you get the idea that nintendo is destroying the industry by appealing to non gamers? You still have all those epics like mass effect bioshock FF, fable and so forth that focus on being an artform and emotion. Nintendo is expanding the industry, not bastardizing it.
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If it were failing, sales would suggest so.

Since their intent is to attract non-gamers, it seems that they are partially realizing this in the early stages of the system, which means their philosophy is succeeding.
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[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?sexy_luigi

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.



You take this system wars thing far too seriously. Composing articles on why the wii is terrible? Nintendo is outselling all of the next gen systems so far and people will always find ways to damage control it, but you take it to an extreme that suggests that videogames have lost all meaning to you.

And yeah, for the most part, video games have lost all meaning, cannot harness the true potential of current-gen technology, and are quickly losing their ability to become an artform comparable to any other form of popular media. Nintendo, more so than any other company within the industry, is very much at the forefront of the bastardization of gaming. Do not think of critcism in terms of damage control. Critcism against a console, as long as it is valid, exceeds the petty conflict you attempt to perscribe as its cause.

I take it seriously because one of my favorite hobbies is failing to evolve into bigger and better things. A hobby I once enjoyed is becoming increasingly dominated by crappy commercialism, power marketing, and being dumbed down in all the wrong ways.



Im confused about what meaning they held for you in the first place. I don't know about you, but videogames were meant to be for fun, not an artform. And where do you get the idea that nintendo is destroying the industry by appealing to non gamers? You still have all those epics like mass effect bioshock FF, fable and so forth that focus on being an artform and emotion. Nintendo is expanding the industry, not bastardizing it.



Besides, he's making it sounds like Nintendo owns 100% of the gaming market already.
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http://video-games.search.ebay.com/wii_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsacatZ62054

thats all i got to say ebay has almost 2000 wii's online for sale
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Uh, were you trying to bash the Wii with this post? If so, that's pretty funny, because it's actually a huge testament to the Wii's sales. Four months after launch and eBay scalpers can still reap a huge profit on selling the Wii because the demand is so great? Heh.
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?taker42


It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.

Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.

They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.



Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.

Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.

The funny thing is they are flocking to the Wii right now without any of those. How can you beat that?

So true
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Maybe we should first give them a chance to deliver noteworthy games on a visual level, before thinking about something failing.
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[QUOTE="xboxps2cube"]http://video-games.search.ebay.com/wii_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsacatZ62054

thats all i got to say ebay has almost 2000 wii's online for sale
Tristam22
Uh, were you trying to bash the Wii with this post? If so, that's pretty funny, because it's actually a huge testament to the Wii's sales. Four months after launch and eBay scalpers can still reap a huge profit on selling the Wii because the demand is so great? Heh.

shows how many people got them and trying to get rid of them quick.... thats all, it wouldnt be so many if gamers and sellers were trying to keep them thats all. oh as far as money goes, just getting 40-50 bucks off a console is nothing compared what prices people paid for the 360's and PS3's
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#33 GloverD
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Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible.  They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.

Disaster.

Firelore29
Funny Playstation hasnt launched in Eurasia....
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?taker42


It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.

Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.

They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.



Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.

Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.

The funny thing is they are flocking to the Wii right now without any of those. How can you beat that?



My point was that when those games are out all casuals/hardcore gamers will go to PS3/360.

Obviously Wii is winning right now. It's the cheapest and it's being advertised more than its competitors. If Wii wasn't winning right now that would be a major concern for Nintendo because right now before all the games I mentioned hit is the best time Wii will get most sales.
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#35 Zaistev_basic
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[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?DSgamer64

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed.  Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo.  You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is.  Check my profile for more info. 

Funny considering consoles are designed for one thing, and thats playing games. Sony and M$ seem to think that gamers should have to shell out over 400 dollars for a console and a couple of games while adding all this useless crap like Live Arcade and Home. Gamers shouldnt be forced to pay huge amounts of money just to play games, its all about the experience and having fun. Thats something people like you need to learn. Nintendo's philosophy is one that is making them money and innovating the gaming world and tools like you are too blind to realise that they are the only company who is trying to turn around the gaming industry instead of just rehashing consoles and franchises with the same old gameplay. Also, Wii sales debunk any arguments that its going to be a crap system, cause so far myself like many have enjoyed what we got out of it and the future is going to be great for the system. Besides I dont want to have to wait 2 years for my favourite franchises to come out and not having enough games to play inbetween the big titles, which is what is going to screw over Sony and M$.

So far, the arguements against Wii about graphics, development, etc., is mostly from the hardcore gamer point of view like msyelf. First, anyone who posts here is already considered a hardcore gamer no matter how you spin it. I'm a hardcore gamer; I have PS2, Wii60 and I love games so much. Being an open minded person, I love the Wii and what it's doing to the video game industry compare to their GC. It brought a new kind of gaming that even my grandparents, parents, sisters, and girlfriend, play. That fact alone cannot be denied. I considered buying a PS3, but of course, let's be realistic, as gamers we all are, price sometimes do bother us; what more if it is from casual gamers.
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[QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="xboxps2cube"]http://video-games.search.ebay.com/wii_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsacatZ62054

thats all i got to say ebay has almost 2000 wii's online for sale
xboxps2cube
Uh, were you trying to bash the Wii with this post? If so, that's pretty funny, because it's actually a huge testament to the Wii's sales. Four months after launch and eBay scalpers can still reap a huge profit on selling the Wii because the demand is so great? Heh.

shows how many people got them and trying to get rid of them quick.... thats all, it wouldnt be so many if gamers and sellers were trying to keep them thats all.

LOL. Your post self destructed pretty badly. You think out of nearly 6 million sales there aren't at least 2,000 eBay scalpers since a profit can STILL be made on the Wii? It's not like the case with the PS3 at launch, where nearly a quarter of the systems were up for sale on eBay.
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[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible.  They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.

Disaster.

GloverD

Funny Playstation hasnt launched in Eurasia....

Its like comparing a toddler to a child still in the womb "oooh look, mine's learning to walk.  LOL at your unborn baby."

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[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?DSgamer64

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed.  Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo.  You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is.  Check my profile for more info. 

Funny considering consoles are designed for one thing, and thats playing games. Sony and M$ seem to think that gamers should have to shell out over 400 dollars for a console and a couple of games while adding all this useless crap like Live Arcade and Home. Gamers shouldnt be forced to pay huge amounts of money just to play games, its all about the experience and having fun. Thats something people like you need to learn. Nintendo's philosophy is one that is making them money and innovating the gaming world and tools like you are too blind to realise that they are the only company who is trying to turn around the gaming industry instead of just rehashing consoles and franchises with the same old gameplay. Also, Wii sales debunk any arguments that its going to be a crap system, cause so far myself like many have enjoyed what we got out of it and the future is going to be great for the system. Besides I dont want to have to wait 2 years for my favourite franchises to come out and not having enough games to play inbetween the big titles, which is what is going to screw over Sony and M$.

Consumers like you do not seem to understand that there is no intrinsic aspect of gaming that makes it any different than any other form of popular media.  You restrict the meaning and depth of gaming to nothing more than a simple child's plaything -- an object that faciliates only the lowest and most simple forms of pleasure/entertainment -- out of neccessity or misunderstanding.

You don't seem to understand that the complexity of games over the last ten years has exposed the wonderful potential for gaming as a valid form of art.  There is no aspect of a console that makes it physically not capable of rendering games so deep, meaningful, and complex that they could be revered as a great work of art.  The only factors which limit the potential of games are consumer demand, negative stereotypes,

You forget that most of the games people cherish are natural extensions and steps along the progression of games to a respectable artform.  These games recieve richer graphics, broader plots, and more dynamic enviroments with each and every generation.  When you say, "games have only been for fun," you don't seem to understand how badly you're contradicting yourself. 

Or, you simply might be so desperate to support a paticular developer that you deem it neccessary to explicitly limit the function of games to little more than a childish plaything.  But, most likely, your taste in games contradicts such a notion.

The problem is not that Nintendo IS branching out to non-gamers, but the MEANS by which they branch out to non-gamers.  Instead of attracting the non-gaming market by showing consumers that video games are so complex, rich, and meaningful that they can faciliate ANY sort of artistic vision (including visions that simply aim to produce entertainment), Nintendo reinforces the negative stereotype that games are simply a childish plaything --

purchase a Wii because swinging your wrist to hit the ball is FUN.

But I ask you, is this all games are?  Why should we be satisfied with such a narrow, pathetic, and shallow conception of games? 

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Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible. They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.

Disaster.

Firelore29
My sentiments exactly. It is too early to really tell, though.
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[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?FoamingPanda

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.



You take this system wars thing far too seriously. Composing articles on why the wii is terrible? Nintendo is outselling all of the next gen systems so far and people will always find ways to damage control it, but you take it to an extreme that suggests that videogames have lost all meaning to you.

And yeah, for the most part, video games have lost all meaning, cannot harness the true potential of current-gen technology, and are quickly losing their ability to become an artform comparable to any other form of popular media.



I can preatty much tell that the only way you can see that video games will join the other medias is by actually becoming like them. Maybe thats not the only road video games could follow to actually go forward as a media. 2 maybe 3 years from now there is a very high possibility that this generation and perhaps the video game market as a hole will be infested by more sequels then any generation before it and if that happens how is that moving the media forward?
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If Nintendo's philosophy is failing then why is the demand for Wii and DS increasing ever since it launched. It seems their philosophy is doing just fine.

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[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?FoamingPanda

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.



i'm with you. Nintendo is the only company that cared more to make a cheap console, so they wouldn't need to take losses with each console sold, so they earned profits with the system from day one.
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I think what Nintendo is doing fine and is really taking a bold step into a new gaming market, and its working well - however, it is taking a slow time to be adapted by some developers which is more or less of a problem... once the Wii gains some more spark and finally releases which a truely compelling Wii Title (not Zelda, thats GCN), we'll see a lot more of what the Wii is capable of, as well as having developers finally decide to take the step and develop games of how they could be played on the Wii... I don't think I made any sense at all. :|
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[QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="xboxps2cube"]http://video-games.search.ebay.com/wii_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsacatZ62054

thats all i got to say ebay has almost 2000 wii's online for sale
xboxps2cube
Uh, were you trying to bash the Wii with this post? If so, that's pretty funny, because it's actually a huge testament to the Wii's sales. Four months after launch and eBay scalpers can still reap a huge profit on selling the Wii because the demand is so great? Heh.

shows how many people got them and trying to get rid of them quick.... thats all, it wouldnt be so many if gamers and sellers were trying to keep them thats all. oh as far as money goes, just getting 40-50 bucks off a console is nothing compared what prices people paid for the 360's and PS3's

Well if you actually take a look at the link, all of them have comments like "brand new! factory sealed!". So yes, it's pretty obvious they are scalpers
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I am by no means saying the Wii is failing in terms of sales.

It is a huge success, having sold something like 5 million worldwide.

What i am saying is that their actual aim of delivering GAMEPLAY intensive titles WITH a technical presentation that is better than the Cube (since that is their "definition" of "saturated" graphics) has not yet come to fruition.
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[QUOTE="GloverD"][QUOTE="Firelore29"]

Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible.  They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.

Disaster.

Shirley_Temple

Funny Playstation hasnt launched in Eurasia....

Its like comparing a toddler to a child still in the womb "oooh look, mine's learning to walk.  LOL at your unborn baby."

Oh it launched in Asia a few days ago, all 60gig versions though.
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I am by no means saying the Wii is failing in terms of sales.

It is a huge success, having sold something like 5 million worldwide.

What i am saying is that their actual aim of delivering GAMEPLAY intensive titles WITH a technical presentation that is better than the Cube (since that is their "definition" of "saturated" graphics) has not yet come to fruition.
Booger_Boarding

well duh!, but we already know the Wii is more powerful then all last gen consoles and i have already seen amazing looking games on the Wii that surpass gamecube graphics so i'm not too worried.

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[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?SambaLele

You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?

I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.

I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.



i'm with you. Nintendo is the only company that cared more to make a cheap console, so they wouldn't need to take losses with each console sold, so they earned profits with the system from day one.

I don't see complete motion sensing and pointing on 360 or PS3. I don't see 100% backward compatability with the previous system either. So does that make 360 and PS3 an inferior product? As for not selling at a loss? The Wii is cheaper than any of the other two consoles. Who cares how much money the companies make. Fact remains that the Wii is cheaper. All your arguments work from the other side if you pull up all the facts instead of just picking and choosing.
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[QUOTE="xboxps2cube"][QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="xboxps2cube"]http://video-games.search.ebay.com/wii_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsacatZ62054

thats all i got to say ebay has almost 2000 wii's online for sale
Tristam22
Uh, were you trying to bash the Wii with this post? If so, that's pretty funny, because it's actually a huge testament to the Wii's sales. Four months after launch and eBay scalpers can still reap a huge profit on selling the Wii because the demand is so great? Heh.

shows how many people got them and trying to get rid of them quick.... thats all, it wouldnt be so many if gamers and sellers were trying to keep them thats all.

LOL. Your post self destructed pretty badly. You think out of nearly 6 million sales there aren't at least 2,000 eBay scalpers since a profit can STILL be made on the Wii? It's not like the case with the PS3 at launch, where nearly a quarter of the systems were up for sale on eBay.

they averaging around 310 a console, with extra stuff, like games and nunchucks free, how is that making a profit?
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3-4x more power doesn't equal 3-4x better looking...General_X
it should mean better graphics anyway. @topic. hmmm, when you look at it, since nintendo is a company, they should go with the flow of their customers. and their customers want good gameplay AND next gen graphics. they're only offering good gamplay, no next gen graphics which is a failure imo. had they placed graphics as good as the 2 other consoles', if not, almost as good, then i don't see a reason why more supporters cows/lemmings would not come flocking to them now.