Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible. They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.
Disaster.
Firelore29
to casuals, yes, they are selling much. to hardcore gamers who know what they're buying, not too much.
Why the Wii philosophy is FAILING
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[QUOTE="taker42"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?the-very-best
It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.
Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.
They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.
Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.
Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.
The funny thing is they are flocking to the Wii right now without any of those. How can you beat that?
My point was that when those games are out all casuals/hardcore gamers will go to PS3/360.
Obviously Wii is winning right now. It's the cheapest and it's being advertised more than its competitors. If Wii wasn't winning right now that would be a major concern for Nintendo because right now before all the games I mentioned hit is the best time Wii will get most sales.
Depends on how you look at it. The Wii is taking the most people by storm therefore it's more likely to say they will probably get at least 2 consoles than say they will abandon their $250 purchase once the games you list comes out.
[QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="xboxps2cube"][QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="xboxps2cube"]http://video-games.search.ebay.com/wii_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsacatZ62054Uh, were you trying to bash the Wii with this post? If so, that's pretty funny, because it's actually a huge testament to the Wii's sales. Four months after launch and eBay scalpers can still reap a huge profit on selling the Wii because the demand is so great? Heh. shows how many people got them and trying to get rid of them quick.... thats all, it wouldnt be so many if gamers and sellers were trying to keep them thats all. LOL. Your post self destructed pretty badly. You think out of nearly 6 million sales there aren't at least 2,000 eBay scalpers since a profit can STILL be made on the Wii? It's not like the case with the PS3 at launch, where nearly a quarter of the systems were up for sale on eBay. they averaging around 310 a console, with extra stuff, like games and nunchucks free, how is that making a profit?
thats all i got to say ebay has almost 2000 wii's online for sale
xboxps2cube
where are you getting your numbers from, last time i checked it averages at $195, there was a thread about this months ago.
[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?sexy_luigi
It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.
Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.
Nintendo isn't competing for the same audience that embraces GTA and Halo. Ask yourself, did GTA help the psp?
So, you're saying nintendo is competing for a different audience. Tell me, would this be the same audience that led them to LAST PLACE last gen?
[QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="xboxps2cube"][QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="xboxps2cube"]http://video-games.search.ebay.com/wii_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsacatZ62054Uh, were you trying to bash the Wii with this post? If so, that's pretty funny, because it's actually a huge testament to the Wii's sales. Four months after launch and eBay scalpers can still reap a huge profit on selling the Wii because the demand is so great? Heh. shows how many people got them and trying to get rid of them quick.... thats all, it wouldnt be so many if gamers and sellers were trying to keep them thats all. LOL. Your post self destructed pretty badly. You think out of nearly 6 million sales there aren't at least 2,000 eBay scalpers since a profit can STILL be made on the Wii? It's not like the case with the PS3 at launch, where nearly a quarter of the systems were up for sale on eBay. they averaging around 310 a console, with extra stuff, like games and nunchucks free, how is that making a profit? Maybe they discovered that they couldn't sell them, because Nintendo didn't have quite a dedicated fanbase as Sony, meaning that people were willing to wait instead of spending extra money. I honestly don't know why the price is so low though. The PS3s dropped in price pretty quickly once the demand dropped down.
thats all i got to say ebay has almost 2000 wii's online for sale
xboxps2cube
[QUOTE="Firelore29"]Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible. They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.
Disaster.
Shirley_Temple
Their target market:
[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?El_Fanboy
It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.
Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.
Nintendo isn't competing for the same audience that embraces GTA and Halo. Ask yourself, did GTA help the psp?
So, you're saying nintendo is competing for a different audience. Tell me, would this be the same audience that led them to LAST PLACE last gen? No, it's the audience that no one won last gen. The people who didn't usually play games, and the strategy appears to be working.
[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?El_Fanboy
It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.
Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.
Nintendo isn't competing for the same audience that embraces GTA and Halo. Ask yourself, did GTA help the psp?
So, you're saying nintendo is competing for a different audience. Tell me, would this be the same audience that led them to LAST PLACE last gen?
no, it would be the same audience that led the ds to first place
[QUOTE="Firelore29"]Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible. They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.
Disaster.
rowzzr
to casuals, yes, they are selling much. to hardcore gamers who know what they're buying, not too much.
The people on System Wars disagree with you. We know what we're talking about, yet the Wii seems quite popular here.[QUOTE="Firelore29"]Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible. They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.
Disaster.
rowzzr
to casuals, yes, they are selling much. to hardcore gamers who know what they're buying, not too much.
Right, here comes the "I'm so hardcore I don't like Wii" posts. Seriously, come back once you done talking to every single person that admits they play consoles on this planet. Shouldn't take you too long, if you start now, maybe this board will still be here when you come back!.
[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?Shirley_Temple
It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.
Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.
They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.
Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.
Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.
I can't imagine a single casual who's excited for Super Paper Mario.....
There are more casuals out there who have played a mario game than have even ever heard of Halo......And yes because this is the first Mario game on the Wii it should be a big on there want list
Consumers like you do not seem to understand that there is no intrinsic aspect of gaming that makes it any different than any other form of popular media. You restrict the meaning and depth of gaming to nothing more than a simple child's plaything -- an object that faciliates only the lowest and most simple forms of pleasure/entertainment -- out of neccessity or misunderstanding.
You don't seem to understand that the complexity of games over the last ten years has exposed the wonderful potential for gaming as a valid form of art. There is no aspect of a console that makes it physically not capable of rendering games so deep, meaningful, and complex that they could be revered as a great work of art. The only factors which limit the potential of games are consumer demand, negative stereotypes,
--> The problem of gaming nowadays is that it's depending too much of art. Art with the right tools is easily developed, gameplay is hard because you have to come up with ideas that are original. Of course, there is no denying that great graphics or art is really good for gaming; however, if that is the sole purpose of gaming, then why even bother to innovate. Innovation is MOSTLY on IDEAS than ART.
You forget that most of the games people cherish are natural extensions and steps along the progression of games to a respectable artform. These games recieve richer graphics, broader plots, and more dynamic enviroments with each and every generation. When you say, "games have only been for fun," you don't seem to understand how badly you're contradicting yourself.Â
--> It's true, graphics adds in the fun factor. Broader plots can still be done without great graphics. Environment is nothing if the gameplay is not good and fun. What is an acceptable graphics depends on the user. Nevertheless, gameplay is mostly important.
Or, you simply might be so desperate to support a paticular developer that you deem it neccessary to explicitly limit the function of games to little more than a childish plaything. But, most likely, your taste in games contradicts such a notion.
--> I don't know about him. I have a Wii60. So far by experience, X360 is only good if you are a hardcore gamer and play alone with Live. Wii is good for multi-player, and if you are a casual gamer who consider games as a entertainment rather than a lifestyle.
[QUOTE="SambaLele"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?Tylendal
You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?
I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.
I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.
i'm with you. Nintendo is the only company that cared more to make a cheap console, so they wouldn't need to take losses with each console sold, so they earned profits with the system from day one.
I don't see complete motion sensing and pointing on 360 or PS3. I don't see 100% backward compatability with the previous system either. So does that make 360 and PS3 an inferior product? As for not selling at a loss? The Wii is cheaper than any of the other two consoles. Who cares how much money the companies make. Fact remains that the Wii is cheaper. All your arguments work from the other side if you pull up all the facts instead of just picking and choosing.
These are major problems with other consoles. But I ask you, how innovative and neccessary is motion sensing technology? Forms of input are very much a function of taste. I'd rather use a precise, hassle-free, and swift form of input than a form of input that attempts to closely replicate motion. The fact of the matter is that we endure an industry that should have shifted all input devices to USB ports. A developer should be able to chose what forms of input best suit their games, and consumer demand should dictate which controllers developers encorporate into games.
PS3 and 360 are not technologically inferior products. Both consoles make a legitimate and valid attempt at fully utilizing the technology of a current generation and providing that technology at a reasonable price. Nintendo is the ONLY company that completely disregarded the potential power of this generations' technology. But I can forgive Nitnendo for this. I CAN'T forgive Nintendo for their unethical marketing strategy, explotation of consumers, and resentment of true innovation and progress within gaming.
[QUOTE="General_X"]3-4x more power doesn't equal 3-4x better looking...rowzzrit should mean better graphics anyway. @topic. hmmm, when you look at it, since nintendo is a company, they should go with the flow of their customers. and their customers want good gameplay AND next gen graphics. they're only offering good gamplay, no next gen graphics which is a failure imo. I can tell you right here right now that I wouldn't even find the next gen race as interesting as it is without the Wii. I have not been interested in a gen like this or one that took more of my attention since the PS1 and N64 days. Nintendo is giving us possibilities that are defenitely welcome IMO to the video game industry.
[QUOTE="Firelore29"]Oh yea their philosophy is doing horrible. They are outselling all the competition in all three major markets.
Disaster.
rowzzr
to casuals, yes, they are selling much. to hardcore gamers who know what they're buying, not too much.
You people really like to drown yourselves in your own myths. I'm looking forward to more hardcore titles on the Wii then the PS3 this year alone. Or maybe its just like you said, I just don't know what I'm buying.[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?Shirley_Temple
It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.
Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.
They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.
Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.
Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.
I can't imagine a single casual who's excited for Super Paper Mario.....
My wife wants to play that game....I guess that makes 1 does't it?
[QUOTE="Shirley_Temple"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?Firelore29
It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.
Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.
They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.
Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.
Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.
I can't imagine a single casual who's excited for Super Paper Mario.....
My wife wants to play that game....I guess that makes 1 does't it?
i know 2 causals who do, that makes 3
[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="SambaLele"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?FoamingPanda
You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?
I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.
I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.
i'm with you. Nintendo is the only company that cared more to make a cheap console, so they wouldn't need to take losses with each console sold, so they earned profits with the system from day one.
I don't see complete motion sensing and pointing on 360 or PS3. I don't see 100% backward compatability with the previous system either. So does that make 360 and PS3 an inferior product? As for not selling at a loss? The Wii is cheaper than any of the other two consoles. Who cares how much money the companies make. Fact remains that the Wii is cheaper. All your arguments work from the other side if you pull up all the facts instead of just picking and choosing.
These are major problems with other consoles. But I ask you, how innovative and neccessary is motion sensing technology? Forms of input are very much a function of taste. I'd rather use a precise, hassle-free, and swift form of input than a form of input that attempts to closely replicate motion. The fact of the matter is that we endure an industry that should have shifted all input devices to USB ports. A developer should be able to chose what forms of input best suit their games, and consumer demand should dictate which controllers developers encorporate into games.
PS3 and 360 are not technologically inferior products. Both consoles make a legitimate and valid attempt at fully utilizing the technology of a current generation and providing that technology at a reasonable price. Nintendo is the ONLY company that completely disregarded the potential power of this generations' technology. But I can forgive Nitnendo for this. I CAN'T forgive Nintendo for their unethical marketing strategy, explotation of consumers, and resentment of true innovation and progress within gaming.
Your saying that Nintendo is holding back innovation and progress. :|........ :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:........................:cry::lol::lol::lol::lol::cry: Microsoft and Sony are the ones doing nothing for gaming. They are taking the industry nowhere. The jump from 8bit to 16, and from 16bit to 3d, and 3d to good 3d were all big jumps. From last gen to this gen, though, was a much smaller change, there was very little that actually moved forward, and graphics cannot change gameplay any longer. We need new ways to improve playing, and Nintendo is doing that.[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="SambaLele"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?FoamingPanda
You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?
I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.
I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.
i'm with you. Nintendo is the only company that cared more to make a cheap console, so they wouldn't need to take losses with each console sold, so they earned profits with the system from day one.
I don't see complete motion sensing and pointing on 360 or PS3. I don't see 100% backward compatability with the previous system either. So does that make 360 and PS3 an inferior product? As for not selling at a loss? The Wii is cheaper than any of the other two consoles. Who cares how much money the companies make. Fact remains that the Wii is cheaper. All your arguments work from the other side if you pull up all the facts instead of just picking and choosing.
These are major problems with other consoles. But I ask you, how innovative and neccessary is motion sensing technology? Forms of input are very much a function of taste. I'd rather use a precise, hassle-free, and swift form of input than a form of input that attempts to closely replicate motion. The fact of the matter is that we endure an industry that should have shifted all input devices to USB ports. A developer should be able to chose what forms of input best suit their games, and consumer demand should dictate which controllers developers encorporate into games.
PS3 and 360 are not technologically inferior products. Both consoles make a legitimate and valid attempt at fully utilizing the technology of a current generation and providing that technology at a reasonable price. Nintendo is the ONLY company that completely disregarded the potential power of this generations' technology. But I can forgive Nitnendo for this. I CAN'T forgive Nintendo for their unethical marketing strategy, explotation of consumers, and resentment of true innovation and progress within gaming.
And why can't different markets co-exist? Why can't there be games like wii sports and wii play for the non-gamers and games like mass effect or final fantasy for the 'hardcore' gamers who are more interested in the epic and artisitic games that invoke emotion. Expanding a market is different from bastardizing it. Its not as if nintendo has abondoned all their previous titles like metroid or zelda in favor of wii sports, you can appeal to more than one demographic withot basterdizing the other.
[QUOTE="Shirley_Temple"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?Firelore29
It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.
Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.
They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.
Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.
Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.
I can't imagine a single casual who's excited for Super Paper Mario.....
My wife wants to play that game....I guess that makes 1 does't it?
Nongamer? Not Casual.
My friends love mario (they play NSMB MvsL all the time) yet they see more potential in other games. I've tried to show them how cool it will be, but they don't care, they said, "If I want to play Mario, I'll get the DS version."
My a quarter of my friends are casuals. That's 3 on the other side of the fence.
[QUOTE="DSgamer64"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?FoamingPanda
You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?
I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.
I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.Â
Funny considering consoles are designed for one thing, and thats playing games. Sony and M$ seem to think that gamers should have to shell out over 400 dollars for a console and a couple of games while adding all this useless crap like Live Arcade and Home. Gamers shouldnt be forced to pay huge amounts of money just to play games, its all about the experience and having fun. Thats something people like you need to learn. Nintendo's philosophy is one that is making them money and innovating the gaming world and tools like you are too blind to realise that they are the only company who is trying to turn around the gaming industry instead of just rehashing consoles and franchises with the same old gameplay. Also, Wii sales debunk any arguments that its going to be a crap system, cause so far myself like many have enjoyed what we got out of it and the future is going to be great for the system. Besides I dont want to have to wait 2 years for my favourite franchises to come out and not having enough games to play inbetween the big titles, which is what is going to screw over Sony and M$.
Consumers like you do not seem to understand that there is no intrinsic aspect of gaming that makes it any different than any other form of popular media. You restrict the meaning and depth of gaming to nothing more than a simple child's plaything -- an object that faciliates only the lowest and most simple forms of pleasure/entertainment -- out of neccessity or misunderstanding.
You don't seem to understand that the complexity of games over the last ten years has exposed the wonderful potential for gaming as a valid form of art. There is no aspect of a console that makes it physically not capable of rendering games so deep, meaningful, and complex that they could be revered as a great work of art. The only factors which limit the potential of games are consumer demand, negative stereotypes,
You forget that most of the games people cherish are natural extensions and steps along the progression of games to a respectable artform. These games recieve richer graphics, broader plots, and more dynamic enviroments with each and every generation. When you say, "games have only been for fun," you don't seem to understand how badly you're contradicting yourself.Â
Or, you simply might be so desperate to support a paticular developer that you deem it neccessary to explicitly limit the function of games to little more than a childish plaything. But, most likely, your taste in games contradicts such a notion.
The problem is not that Nintendo IS branching out to non-gamers, but the MEANS by which they branch out to non-gamers. Instead of attracting the non-gaming market by showing consumers that video games are so complex, rich, and meaningful that they can faciliate ANY sort of artistic vision (including visions that simply aim to produce entertainment), Nintendo reinforces the negative stereotype that games are simply a childish plaything --
purchase a Wii because swinging your wrist to hit the ball is FUN.
But I ask you, is this all games are? Why should we be satisfied with such a narrow, pathetic, and shallow conception of games?Â
So instead of enjoying a console that is fun and unique with new controls and fun games, I should sit on my couch and drool while playing games that I have been playing the same way since the PS1/N64 era with pretty graphics and having to pay 400 dollars just for a console plus more money for online gameplay and the games as well. I am sorry but I like the gaming experience of the Wii the best, its fun and has a lot of potential. It may not be fantastic now but by the end of this year there is going to be a slew of solid games for the Wii that will be innovative.
[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="SambaLele"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?Tylendal
You mean one of MANY valid points that critique Nintendo and the Wii?
I'm sorry if you're so indoctrinated by a company who wishes nothing more to steal money out of your pocket by any means neccessary that you can't see when you're being stiffed. Nintendo has completely bastardized the potential of next-gen consoles and franchises on Nintendo. You're being offered vastly inferior products under the illusion that what you play is both next gen and worth your money.
I've composed a few articles on why the Wii is terrible, and why all consumers who care anything about gaming should view the Wii for what it is. Check my profile for more info.
i'm with you. Nintendo is the only company that cared more to make a cheap console, so they wouldn't need to take losses with each console sold, so they earned profits with the system from day one.
I don't see complete motion sensing and pointing on 360 or PS3. I don't see 100% backward compatability with the previous system either. So does that make 360 and PS3 an inferior product? As for not selling at a loss? The Wii is cheaper than any of the other two consoles. Who cares how much money the companies make. Fact remains that the Wii is cheaper. All your arguments work from the other side if you pull up all the facts instead of just picking and choosing.
These are major problems with other consoles. But I ask you, how innovative and neccessary is motion sensing technology? Forms of input are very much a function of taste. I'd rather use a precise, hassle-free, and swift form of input than a form of input that attempts to closely replicate motion. The fact of the matter is that we endure an industry that should have shifted all input devices to USB ports. A developer should be able to chose what forms of input best suit their games, and consumer demand should dictate which controllers developers encorporate into games.
PS3 and 360 are not technologically inferior products. Both consoles make a legitimate and valid attempt at fully utilizing the technology of a current generation and providing that technology at a reasonable price. Nintendo is the ONLY company that completely disregarded the potential power of this generations' technology. But I can forgive Nitnendo for this. I CAN'T forgive Nintendo for their unethical marketing strategy, explotation of consumers, and resentment of true innovation and progress within gaming.
Your saying that Nintendo is holding back innovation and progress. :|........ :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:........................:cry::lol::lol::lol::lol::cry: Microsoft and Sony are the ones doing nothing for gaming. They are taking the industry nowhere. The jump from 8bit to 16, and from 16bit to 3d, and 3d to good 3d were all big jumps. From last gen to this gen, though, was a much smaller change, there was very little that actually moved forward, and graphics cannot change gameplay any longer. We need new ways to improve playing, and Nintendo is doing that.I have to disagree just as much as Pandas whole take on this. Hardware can IMO move forward gameplay in quite frankly infinite areas as well . But its just something predictable, done since the very first console came out as a priority.
Many people speak and use the old "playing games because of the controller" and I actually agree with them, only that I disagree with their negativity on it. I can definitely assure anyone that the first time I played SM64 and the level of control it offered in terms of 3d space was definitely because of the controler in comparison to what PS1 had given me at the time.
If you actually asked me the reason why I would prefer such an input at the time over the PS1 I would have answered the obvious: The controller.
Zelda TP sold the Wii. That is all. The Wiimote attracted zero gamers. Some people mistook the Wiimote for a Star Trek Holodeck. I expect used Wii's to pile up at game retailers.Berserker_2
Well then you would be wrong because so far that has not happen. If fact some of them are offering high trades just to get more Wii games
Yes because a grafical powerhouse would have come out by now? ]
The wii had most of its games developed on the GC kits and It wasnt untill last E3 since people relised how big the wii was going to be and even then they didnt realy gauge how big. As the Average game takes 16 months to produce you work out how long before the properly produced games will come out. 2008.
Untill then we will have to live with fast turn around games (which have never been know for there grafical ability), upgraded ports and some off games which was built by a company with faith in ninty.
Next Year is where the wii will be defined. Is it going to have the good third party support or is it going to die a game cubes death.
[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="Strider212"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]will we be seeing this damage control the whole way throughout this generation when nintendo dominates the competetion?Shirley_Temple
It's unlikely Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of GTA, GT, Halo, FF, MGS.
Just want to point that out. Unless Nintendo has something up its sleeve I can easily see Sony eclipsing Wii sales and I can also see MS maintaining its lead over the Wii especially since Halo is just around the corner.
They do have something up their sleeve. It's called casuals.
Casuals (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as GTAIV, GT5, Halo 3 are out.
Hardcore gamers (from the PS2 gen) will flock to the PS3/360 as soon as FFXIII, MGSIV, Bioshock, Mass Effect are out.
I can't imagine a single casual who's excited for Super Paper Mario.....
My wife for one....And why can't different markets co-exist? Why can't there be games like wii sports and wii play for the non-gamers and games like mass effect or final fantasy for the 'hardcore' gamers who are more interested in the epic and artisitic games that invoke emotion. Expanding a market is different from bastardizing it. Its not as if nintendo has abondoned all their previous titles like metroid or zelda in favor of wii sports, you can appeal to more than one demographic withot basterdizing the other.
Resources are limited. Refer to my blog post on the law of declining game complexity. This is why two markets cannot truely exist if Nintendo experiences wide success in the non-gamer market.Â
Again, many of you don't seem to understand that there is nothing technologically innovative about a new form of input in the context of a console. We've been able to give computers ANY form of input for the last five years by slapping a USB port on the front and installing a tiny amount of firmware. A paticular control scheme might give a developer more options, but it should NOT be considered a technological innovation. We should not be FORCED to purchase a weak and antiquated console to simply have access to X franchise and Y control scheme -- this is an out-dated conception of the market that should had died out years ago. The quality and cost of hardware alone should determine the quality of a console.
Wii fails miserably when judged by these two criteria.
And why can't different markets co-exist? Why can't there be games like wii sports and wii play for the non-gamers and games like mass effect or final fantasy for the 'hardcore' gamers who are more interested in the epic and artisitic games that invoke emotion. Expanding a market is different from bastardizing it. Its not as if nintendo has abondoned all their previous titles like metroid or zelda in favor of wii sports, you can appeal to more than one demographic withot basterdizing the other.FoamingPanda
Resources are limited. Refer to my blog post on the law of declining game complexity. This is why two markets cannot truely exist if Nintendo experiences wide success in the non-gamer market.Â
Again, many of you don't seem to understand that there is nothing technologically innovative about a new form of input in the context of a console. We've been able to give computers ANY form of input for the last five years by slapping a USB port on the front and installing a tiny amount of firmware. A paticular control scheme might give a developer more options, but it should NOT be considered a technological innovation. We should not be FORCED to purchase a weak and antiquated console to simply have access to X franchise and Y control scheme -- this is an out-dated conception of the market that should had died out years ago. The quality and cost of hardware alone should determine the quality of a console.
Wii fails miserably when judged by these two criteria.
It is an inevitibility that hardware will advance foward, and that software will follow behind it. If it stalls a generation it's not exactly a huge deal as you constantly make it out to be. Nor is it a huge deal if it takes a side-step before moving forward again. Nor is there anything to prevent Sony or MS from moving forward with gaming as you wish it other than their gaming divisions bankrupting themselves. If the Wii wins, then hardware will stall for a few years, but is this a big deal? Not really since hardware development is determined more by the PC market. Even if the Wii somehow manages to dominate the gaming market for 10 years, hardware will continously improve. Other systems will find a niche in the market and push the envelopes of graphics, and AI.
In the history of gaming, the companies themselves have very little control over the course of gaming evolution. Unlike other industries, no one company has a true monopoly on the gaming industry. Nintendo and Sony both argueably held near monopolies but as the hardware cycle turned and a new generation was produced their respective monopolies were overturned and the market became a free-for-all once again. It will happen again, and again, and again. There's nothing you can do if you don't like the cycle you're in.
And because we live in a capitalist society (as opposed to your communist ideal, at least within the context of the video game industry), your argument fails miserably. It will never change.And why can't different markets co-exist? Why can't there be games like wii sports and wii play for the non-gamers and games like mass effect or final fantasy for the 'hardcore' gamers who are more interested in the epic and artisitic games that invoke emotion. Expanding a market is different from bastardizing it. Its not as if nintendo has abondoned all their previous titles like metroid or zelda in favor of wii sports, you can appeal to more than one demographic withot basterdizing the other.FoamingPanda
Resources are limited. Refer to my blog post on the law of declining game complexity. This is why two markets cannot truely exist if Nintendo experiences wide success in the non-gamer market.
Again, many of you don't seem to understand that there is nothing technologically innovative about a new form of input in the context of a console. We've been able to give computers ANY form of input for the last five years by slapping a USB port on the front and installing a tiny amount of firmware. A paticular control scheme might give a developer more options, but it should NOT be considered a technological innovation. We should not be FORCED to purchase a weak and antiquated console to simply have access to X franchise and Y control scheme -- this is an out-dated conception of the market that should had died out years ago. The quality and cost of hardware alone should determine the quality of a console.
Wii fails miserably when judged by these two criteria.
I sincerely hope not.
The development of games is getting pricier and pricier as time goes on. In a sense, the weaker graphics can be considered a plus; if there's not so much time and money put into developing art assets, the game is cheaper to create. If the game is cheaper to create, there's more of a likelihood for experimentation.
People seem to like to slag Cooking Mama around here. Maybe it's warranted; I haven't played it. But on how many systems have you seen cooking games or surgery games (Trauma Center)? I can think of two: Wii and DS. How many systems have had, let's say, a sci-fi fps? I can think of SNES, Genesis, 32X, Jaguar, PSone, N64, PS2, GC, Xbox, 360, PS3, GBA, DS. It's getting really refined, but I like new stuff, too.
Left-field games are like art-house films. They usually don't make a big impact, don't have the budget of the big guys, and sometimes are just plain garbage. But.... the hardcore movie buffs will usually give them a shot.
Why do the 'hardcore' gamers stick with the blockbusters?
Nintendo is OVERCHARGING for there system + saving TONS of money on development time, cause the games look like crap, compared to MS or Sony, who are spending like what ? 5 X ? 10 X what nintendo is spending to make a game ?
Ill give it to Nintendo, they are making a smart buisness move, but the bottome line is fan's are getting ripped.
shaggymcp
Not sure how fans are getting ripped when they are having fun. I want a wii for the fun I do nto really care if the graphics are better than ps2. I still play my ps2 for some games I did not get to play yet. I am playing mark echos getting up right now on my ps2, and I have gun for 360 sitting here. I just about beat all the games I wanted to on 360, a few more left. Hopefully i beat those before the next games come out I want to beat.
You know what game is really getting me to buy a Wii? Trama Center, and I never even played it on DS. I know I will like it, i can tell buy watching people play it, seeing how they do the controls, i am 100% sure I will enjoy.
When I feel like playing the best looking graphics on the market right now, I play 360. When PC comes out with some new mind blowing games that take graphics and physics to a higher level than 360 I will upgrade and play those.
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