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#51 SecretPolice
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@speedfreak48t5p said:

This thread is just terrible. Even by system wars standards.

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#52 Warlord_Irochi
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Well, that was deep...
By that logic PS2 should be a worse system than the first Xbox, right? because... don't mind the games! Power is all that matters it seems.

Really...

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#53 Wickerman777
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@Warlord_Irochi said:

Well, that was deep...

By that logic PS2 should be a worse system than the first Xbox, right? because... don't mind the games! Power is all that matters it seems.

Really...

Really doesn't apply. It ain't like then, both systems get pretty much the same games and exclusives are so rare anymore that it's pretty much a thing of the past.

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#54 Salt_The_Fries
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Because this:

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@Wickerman777 said:
@tormentos said:
@nyadc said:
@playharderfool said:

Its not power, that's just a plus remember most casuals don't even know the general specs of these machines but they do remember and associate certain games to these systems

That's the problem I have with this generation, there's so many casual gamers who don't really know or understand what these technical and graphical output capabilities actually mean in reality. and they are blowing them completely out of proportion.

Yes they are blowing it out of proportion i mean 720p vs 1080p is nothing,now if it was like last gen where the XBO 360 was killing the PS3 doing 720p while the PS3 did 640p now that is a huge gap a very huge huge gap,i remember how lemmings use to brag about it in both GTA4 and RDR as well.

But thank god 720p vs 1080p and 900p vs 1080p is nothing....lol

Enjoy that 1080p Witcher 3 at 19 fps, ha ha.

I have a PS4 and Xbox One as well as a PC.....but I don't use my 1080p screen because it's too far away and to much effort to bring it to my room.... I've been gaming in 720p for last 2 years. No problems.... I enjoy what I play....

ppppppp's don't matter as much as people think...

I'd go back to Dark Souls on my X360 any day. It has a pathetic resolution and the frame drops are astronomical.

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#56 StormyJoe
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Well its simply less powerful. Many games need to make sacrifices in aspects of their graphics and possibly even gameplay. So I think that people should choose the more powerful system - ps4.

Never to game play. And, lets be honest, the difference in minimal.

You cows still keep making mountains out of molehills.

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#57  Edited By Wickerman777
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@acp_45 said:
@Wickerman777 said:
@tormentos said:
@nyadc said:
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That's the problem I have with this generation, there's so many casual gamers who don't really know or understand what these technical and graphical output capabilities actually mean in reality. and they are blowing them completely out of proportion.

Yes they are blowing it out of proportion i mean 720p vs 1080p is nothing,now if it was like last gen where the XBO 360 was killing the PS3 doing 720p while the PS3 did 640p now that is a huge gap a very huge huge gap,i remember how lemmings use to brag about it in both GTA4 and RDR as well.

But thank god 720p vs 1080p and 900p vs 1080p is nothing....lol

Enjoy that 1080p Witcher 3 at 19 fps, ha ha.

I have a PS4 and Xbox One as well as a PC.....but I don't use my 1080p screen because it's too far away and to much effort to bring it to my room.... I've been gaming in 720p for last 2 years. No problems.... I enjoy what I play....

ppppppp's don't matter as much as people think...

I'd go back to Dark Souls on my X360 any day. It has a pathetic resolution and the frame drops are astronomical.

The point I was trying to make is that PS4 is not really a 1080p console. It's a 1080p pretender. Its GPU is probably good enough for 1080p but its CPU has no business in the 1080p realm. It drops frames all over the place in Witcher 3 because the CPU is being asked to do more than its capable of. The PS4 version should be updated to display at a resolution the CPU can actually handle and/or GPGPU should be initiated to help the struggling CPU out.

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#58 PAL360
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At this point, the difference between both consoles is minimal.

I bought a PS4 and not an X1 because:

Slightly better hardware.

No forced media features, cameras, peripherals, etc. Just like the 360 last gen, it's just a gaming system.

Massive dev (AAA and indie) support.

Most games run at native 1080p (the main reason i jumped to current generation early).

Finally a redesigned and surprisingly confortable dualshock controller.

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#59  Edited By tormentos
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@GarGx1 said:

Even first party PlayStation developers make compromises, just how many games on the PS4 are running at 1080p and 60fps (let alone more) and Ultra settings? Oh that's right, not a single one. Hell there aren't any PS4 games that run on Ultra equivalent and by far the majority are 30 fps. You call that powerful? All gen 8 consoles are weak in comparison to modern hardware.

I game on max settings at 1440p and 60fps to 144fps on all games and I'm still well short of the maximum power of some PC's.

Thread about the xbox one brings PC to downplay the PS4 and justify the xbox one lack of power.

Consoles compete with consoles not PC,they are 2 different markets and ALWAYS will be,on PC you can go the extra mile which is great but is not the same marquet and don't compete with each other.

Fact is people would pick whichever console they seem is right for them even if it is the weakest like the wii proved last gen.

@kingtito said:

No, no it's not. He put ZERO thought into his thread. Just "PS4 is more powerful". Everyone knows that by now but the differences are so small only cows would care. I mean, show me game play differences because of the power disparity? The TC said gameplay differences as well as graphical. So, show me the gameplay differences.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/are-multiplatforms-better-on-360-27070402/?page=1#js-message-316863606

If you were only here when post like this ^^ were been make.... Oh wait you were you have a 2003 join date,

There are tons of thread where not only the xbox 360 was picture as the stronger console with superior multiplatforms but the difference then was even smaller than it is this gen,yet some how lemmings saw it all gen long...lol

@kingtito said:

Explain how the power difference would effect gameplay between the 2 in any game?

I'm salty for pointing out a flamebait thread? Ummm you cows are so predicable.

Frame drop that would make the game unplayable.? Blurry graphics which make it harder for you to spot enemies at distance on shooters.?

And before you come with your usual rage and damage control.

The combination of the two isn't great news for Xbox One though. Compared to the native 1080p PS4 version, buildings, foliage and distant objects appear considerably less defined with subtle normal map and texture details smudged over. This reduction in clarity also makes it harder to spot other players that are far away, particularly when they are crouched behind vehicles or lying prone within similarly coloured scenery. Obviously, moving targets are easier to see, but stationary enemies tend to blur into the surrounding environment somewhat.

DF Black ops 3 beta...

This is an example of how visual clarity from 900p to 1080p can hurt gameplay.

@nyadc said:

ITT: Rationally explaining things as they are and pointing out stupidity equates to damage control...

B4X your gift attacks give you away...lol

@Wickerman777 said:

They both suck. The GPUs are disappointing but the CPUs are a disaster. Perhaps GPGPU will help if anyone ever decides to use it. PS4 has a clear advantage there with its 8 ACE units vs X1's 2. And well, how the hell will anyone do GPGPU on X1 anyway? There's barely enough power for graphics as it is so I don't see anyone wanting to subtract from that even more by dedicating some of those resources to compute.

You just won one a Ronvalencia quote as soon as he read that line,8 Aces will give no advantage to the PS4 sony put them there for fun and giggles..

@Wickerman777 said:
@Pray_to_me said:

Filthy Rat Lemmings know that their ghetto console is bum juice and it rocks them to their very core. Gaylo 5 is looking like another dud too. Microsoft needs to get back to making spreadsheets and get the **** out of the console business. lol!

Actually many "lemmings" know that X1's hardware is shit. The amusing part is that so many Sony loyalists fail to recognize that their console's hardware sucks only slightly less. Y'all make out like one is a turd and the other is gold. Nope, they're both turds. PS4 may be a somewhat more firm, less repugnant turd but it's a turd nonetheless.

I really don't think most of you have a touch of reality when it comes to lemmings,this is the same people who claim the XBO will match or even beat the PS4,NyaDC is one of those crazy ass lemms,i know because i argue it against it a few days ago,Blackace (alto i think NyaDC is blackace alter B4X was to) Stormyjoe which believe the console would have parity...lol

There is allot of derange lemmings who think the xbox one will match or even exceed the PS4 which is a total joke there is no parity between a R250X and R265 no matter how good DX12 is it will never happen.

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True, not to mention 60% of their launch exclusive have gone to PC.

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#61  Edited By AzatiS
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@hyksiu said:

Well its simply less powerful. Many games need to make sacrifices in aspects of their graphics and possibly even gameplay. So I think that people should choose the more powerful system - ps4.

Ill tell you why is theoritically the worse system ( than PS4 ) once again.

X1 had Kinect as its big marketing weapon , the fact that could offer everything Wii couldnt PLUS what Wii could. Means all the 3rd party support possible plus the motion controls everyone went crazy with Wii last gen . They made a system with its big weapon being not hardware or any fancy specs .. but motions controls.

That decision backfired so hard as we all know , noone gave a shit about motion controls anymore therefore their big marketing weapon was out of the picture suddenly ... and they left with what PS4 was way better ... plain hardware specs that is.

That gave PS4 big momentum and hype over X1 along other things ( original price ) ... MS tried to make a system that could be the ONE for everyone. Casuals , hardcores , semi-casuals , kids , grown ups ,...you name it. Therefore the name Xbox one imho.

Anyways , its too late for MS , their decision to follow Wii steps even if it was making sense at the time was a really bad move that backfired and we just witnessing the results of that move.

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@tormentos said:
@GarGx1 said:

Even first party PlayStation developers make compromises, just how many games on the PS4 are running at 1080p and 60fps (let alone more) and Ultra settings? Oh that's right, not a single one. Hell there aren't any PS4 games that run on Ultra equivalent and by far the majority are 30 fps. You call that powerful? All gen 8 consoles are weak in comparison to modern hardware.

I game on max settings at 1440p and 60fps to 144fps on all games and I'm still well short of the maximum power of some PC's.

Thread about the xbox one brings PC to downplay the PS4 and justify the xbox one lack of power.

Consoles compete with consoles not PC,they are 2 different markets and ALWAYS will be,on PC you can go the extra mile which is great but is not the same marquet and don't compete with each other.

Fact is people would pick whichever console they seem is right for them even if it is the weakest like the wii proved last gen.

@kingtito said:

No, no it's not. He put ZERO thought into his thread. Just "PS4 is more powerful". Everyone knows that by now but the differences are so small only cows would care. I mean, show me game play differences because of the power disparity? The TC said gameplay differences as well as graphical. So, show me the gameplay differences.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/are-multiplatforms-better-on-360-27070402/?page=1#js-message-316863606

If you were only here when post like this ^^ were been make.... Oh wait you were you have a 2003 join date,

There are tons of thread where not only the xbox 360 was picture as the stronger console with superior multiplatforms but the difference then was even smaller than it is this gen,yet some how lemmings saw it all gen long...lol

@kingtito said:

Explain how the power difference would effect gameplay between the 2 in any game?

I'm salty for pointing out a flamebait thread? Ummm you cows are so predicable.

Frame drop that would make the game unplayable.? Blurry graphics which make it harder for you to spot enemies at distance on shooters.?

And before you come with your usual rage and damage control.

The combination of the two isn't great news for Xbox One though. Compared to the native 1080p PS4 version, buildings, foliage and distant objects appear considerably less defined with subtle normal map and texture details smudged over. This reduction in clarity also makes it harder to spot other players that are far away, particularly when they are crouched behind vehicles or lying prone within similarly coloured scenery. Obviously, moving targets are easier to see, but stationary enemies tend to blur into the surrounding environment somewhat.

DF Black ops 3 beta...

This is an example of how visual clarity from 900p to 1080p can hurt gameplay.

@nyadc said:

ITT: Rationally explaining things as they are and pointing out stupidity equates to damage control...

B4X your gift attacks give you away...lol

@Wickerman777 said:

They both suck. The GPUs are disappointing but the CPUs are a disaster. Perhaps GPGPU will help if anyone ever decides to use it. PS4 has a clear advantage there with its 8 ACE units vs X1's 2. And well, how the hell will anyone do GPGPU on X1 anyway? There's barely enough power for graphics as it is so I don't see anyone wanting to subtract from that even more by dedicating some of those resources to compute.

You just one a Ronvalencia quote as soon as he read that line,8 Aces will give no advantage to the PS4 sony put them there for fun and giggles..

@Wickerman777 said:
@Pray_to_me said:

Filthy Rat Lemmings know that their ghetto console is bum juice and it rocks them to their very core. Gaylo 5 is looking like another dud too. Microsoft needs to get back to making spreadsheets and get the **** out of the console business. lol!

Actually many "lemmings" know that X1's hardware is shit. The amusing part is that so many Sony loyalists fail to recognize that their console's hardware sucks only slightly less. Y'all make out like one is a turd and the other is gold. Nope, they're both turds. PS4 may be a somewhat more firm, less repugnant turd but it's a turd nonetheless.

I really don't think most of you have a touch of reality when it comes to lemmings,this is the same people who claim the XBO will match or even beat the PS4,NyaDC is one of those crazy ass lemms,i know because i argue it against it a few days ago,Blackace (alto i think NyaDC is blackace alter B4X was to) Stormyjoe which believe the console would have parity...lol

There is allot of derange lemmings who think the xbox one will match or even exceed the PS4 which is a total joke there is no parity between a R250X and R265 no matter how good DX12 is it will never happen.

I'm starting to think that everyone in SW is actually one person with a bunch of accounts and I'm the only one with one account.

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@Wickerman777 said:

Enjoy that 1080p Witcher 3 at 19 fps, ha ha.

If you people enjoyed Dead Rising at 16 FPS in 720p i see no reason why i should not..

Oh should i bring Ryse also dropping into the teens.? At 900p.?

And what would you call this.? 900p vs 1080p extra AA on PS4 and up to 16 FPS gap.? ahahahaa Make that witcher difference seem like nothing...lol

Funny thing is that CD project it self with 1.7 patch even hurt the xbox one and fix it... lol don't blame the PS4 for CD project mistakes it is well proven the PS4 not only can have a resolution gap over the xbox one but also a both resolution and frames gaps at the same time.

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#64 DammitDanbo
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@tormentos: why is it every time I come into system wars, you are saying the same stuff over and over?

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#65 tormentos
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@Wickerman777 said:

The point I was trying to make is that PS4 is not really a 1080p console. It's a 1080p pretender. Its GPU is probably good enough for 1080p but its CPU has no business in the 1080p realm. It drops frames all over the place in Witcher 3 because the CPU is being asked to do more than its capable of. The PS4 version should be updated to display at a resolution the CPU can actually handle and/or GPGPU should be initiated to help the struggling CPU out.

Resolution is a job of the GPU not CPU,if you are CPU limited at 1080p dropping to 900p make no difference since your bottleneck wasn't GPU based.

Go do some multitasking on your PC and switch resolution,you will see how the CPU usage still is the same,you don't lover CPU overhead by lowering a GPU process,so that sentence in bold make no freaking sense....

It drops frames all over the place in the witcher 3 because the code is mess,and there are proof of that since CD Project 1.7 patch dropped frame on xbox one to 20 and lower,when it was at 30 or more,so is obvious that the PS4 version hasn't been as optimized,there is no fu**ing way in hell that the miserable 150mhz which is the difference between both consoles can fu**ing produce a gap as big as 5 to 8 frames IMPOSSIBLE.

This is on a damn stronger CPU than the Jaguar on PS4 and xbox one,lool how a downgrade of 2ghz doesn't even deliver even a frame of difference on the witcher 3,2 ghz down clock still same frames,don't freaking act like a damn 150mhz on a miserable jaguar CPU will amount to the frame gap both version have on consoles,worse when we have games like Project Cars where the freaking xbox one uses 7 cores of its CPU and still can't match the PS4 frame wise.

Resolution has nothing to do with CPU,when you lower your resolution and frames increase it is because you are GPU bound not CPU bound dude.

@StormyJoe said:

Never to game play. And, lets be honest, the difference in minimal.

You cows still keep making mountains out of molehills.

The combination of the two isn't great news for Xbox One though. Compared to the native 1080p PS4 version, buildings, foliage and distant objects appear considerably less defined with subtle normal map and texture details smudged over. This reduction in clarity also makes it harder to spot other players that are far away, particularly when they are crouched behind vehicles or lying prone within similarly coloured scenery. Obviously, moving targets are easier to see, but stationary enemies tend to blur into the surrounding environment somewhat.

If you can't clearly see enemies from far that interfere with your GAMEPLAY experience dude,just like if your frames drop to much as well frames can make your game unplayable.

It can affect gameplay.

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#66  Edited By tormentos
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@dammitdanbo said:

@tormentos: why is it every time I come into system wars, you are saying the same stuff over and over?

Yet you don't see the other poster saying the opposite of what i say all the time,in my country that is call it double standard.

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#67  Edited By kingtito
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@tormentos said:
@kingtito said:

No, no it's not. He put ZERO thought into his thread. Just "PS4 is more powerful". Everyone knows that by now but the differences are so small only cows would care. I mean, show me game play differences because of the power disparity? The TC said gameplay differences as well as graphical. So, show me the gameplay differences.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/are-multiplatforms-better-on-360-27070402/?page=1#js-message-316863606

If you were only here when post like this ^^ were been make.... Oh wait you were you have a 2003 join date,

There are tons of thread where not only the xbox 360 was picture as the stronger console with superior multiplatforms but the difference then was even smaller than it is this gen,yet some how lemmings saw it all gen long...lol

@kingtito said:

Explain how the power difference would effect gameplay between the 2 in any game?

I'm salty for pointing out a flamebait thread? Ummm you cows are so predicable.

Frame drop that would make the game unplayable.? Blurry graphics which make it harder for you to spot enemies at distance on shooters.?

And before you come with your usual rage and damage control.

You're a moron El Tormented, NOT one single multiplat has had any game play altered because of the power difference between the consoles. The minute differences in frame rate haven't changed a thing. Only an idiot would claim such a thing but then again, you are El Tormented....the biggest fanboy on this site.

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@Salt_The_Fries said:

Because this:

perfect :)

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I have all three consoles (including Wii U) and PS4 currently is the least played (although an argument can be made that i have not had it as long as the rest). Xbone has dead rising and halo, wii u has smash bros and mario kart. Xbone gets all the non exclusives as my mates all have ithe console I have my PS4 for Until dawn (yet to start) but I have bought it in preparation for Disgaea and Persona. Oh, also PC for football manager, HOMM, and Civ 5.

The thing is I dont care which is more powerful. I cant tell the difference, or really dont care enough to put as much attention on it. Currently xbone and wii u are leading the way for me. as soon as disgaea and persona come out, i imagine it will switch.,

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#70  Edited By tormentos
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@kingtito said:

You're a moron El Tormented, NOT one single multiplat has had any game play altered because of the power difference between the consoles. The minute differences in frame rate haven't changed a thing. Only an idiot would claim such a thing but then again, you are El Tormented....the biggest fanboy on this site.

Lets see i quote a source backing me up and you have your self...hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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@tormentos said:
@kingtito said:

You're a moron El Tormented, NOT one single multiplat has had any game play altered because of the power difference between the consoles. The minute differences in frame rate haven't changed a thing. Only an idiot would claim such a thing but then again, you are El Tormented....the biggest fanboy on this site.

Lets see i quote a source backing me up and you have your self...hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Sorry El Tormented but nothing you post is accurate. You're a blind, def and dumb cow. As I've said, not a single multiplat has had game play altered because of the power difference. Not a single one, everything you do the PS4 game is done the exact same way on it's XOne counter part. A few frame rates isn't going to change that nor is being 900p vs 1080p.

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#72 Heil68
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@tormentos said:
@Wickerman777 said:

The point I was trying to make is that PS4 is not really a 1080p console. It's a 1080p pretender. Its GPU is probably good enough for 1080p but its CPU has no business in the 1080p realm. It drops frames all over the place in Witcher 3 because the CPU is being asked to do more than its capable of. The PS4 version should be updated to display at a resolution the CPU can actually handle and/or GPGPU should be initiated to help the struggling CPU out.

Resolution is a job of the GPU not CPU,if you are CPU limited at 1080p dropping to 900p make no difference since your bottleneck wasn't GPU based.

Go do some multitasking on your PC and switch resolution,you will see how the CPU usage still is the same,you don't lover CPU overhead by lowering a GPU process,so that sentence in bold make no freaking sense....

It drops frames all over the place in the witcher 3 because the code is mess,and there are proof of that since CD Project 1.7 patch dropped frame on xbox one to 20 and lower,when it was at 30 or more,so is obvious that the PS4 version hasn't been as optimized,there is no fu**ing way in hell that the miserable 150mhz which is the difference between both consoles can fu**ing produce a gap as big as 5 to 8 frames IMPOSSIBLE.

This is on a damn stronger CPU than the Jaguar on PS4 and xbox one,lool how a downgrade of 2ghz doesn't even deliver even a frame of difference on the witcher 3,2 ghz down clock still same frames,don't freaking act like a damn 150mhz on a miserable jaguar CPU will amount to the frame gap both version have on consoles,worse when we have games like Project Cars where the freaking xbox one uses 7 cores of its CPU and still can't match the PS4 frame wise.

Resolution has nothing to do with CPU,when you lower your resolution and frames increase it is because you are GPU bound not CPU bound dude.

@StormyJoe said:

Never to game play. And, lets be honest, the difference in minimal.

You cows still keep making mountains out of molehills.

The combination of the two isn't great news for Xbox One though. Compared to the native 1080p PS4 version, buildings, foliage and distant objects appear considerably less defined with subtle normal map and texture details smudged over. This reduction in clarity also makes it harder to spot other players that are far away, particularly when they are crouched behind vehicles or lying prone within similarly coloured scenery. Obviously, moving targets are easier to see, but stationary enemies tend to blur into the surrounding environment somewhat.

If you can't clearly see enemies from far that interfere with your GAMEPLAY experience dude,just like if your frames drop to much as well frames can make your game unplayable.

It can affect gameplay.

Agreed. PS4 is more powerful and by golly the game show it.

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Let's see here... TC puts up this simple bait thread, and then immediately disappears. Cows don't disappoint as expected.

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#74  Edited By Bigboi500
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@Salt_The_Fries said:

Because this:

You win the internets.

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#75 tormentos
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@kingtito said:

Sorry El Tormented but nothing you post is accurate. You're a blind, def and dumb cow. As I've said, not a single multiplat has had game play altered because of the power difference. Not a single one, everything you do the PS4 game is done the exact same way on it's XOne counter part. A few frame rates isn't going to change that nor is being 900p vs 1080p.

Yeah i guess you are right i am biased even that i posted a source,and you are mother Theresa of Calcutta clean without any bias right?

I just described you 2 ways on how power can influence gameplay and you blindly ignore them,but is ok is not like you have any real judgement or knowledge on the matter.

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#76 tormentos
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@babyjoker1221 said:

Let's see here... TC puts up this simple bait thread, and then immediately disappears. Cows don't disappoint as expected.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/directx-12-boosts-xbox-one-cpu-performance-by-50-g-32588234/#164

Yeah lemmings are so much better they just post fake info in the same troll manner and disappear...lol

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#77  Edited By kingtito
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@tormentos said:
@kingtito said:

Sorry El Tormented but nothing you post is accurate. You're a blind, def and dumb cow. As I've said, not a single multiplat has had game play altered because of the power difference. Not a single one, everything you do the PS4 game is done the exact same way on it's XOne counter part. A few frame rates isn't going to change that nor is being 900p vs 1080p.

Yeah i guess you are right i am biased even that i posted a source,and you are mother Theresa of Calcutta clean without any bias right?

I just described you 2 ways on how power can influence gameplay and you blindly ignore them,but is ok is not like you have any real judgement or knowledge on the matter.

You posted a source to a 5 year old thread talking about the 360. How is the hell does that have anything to do with the PS4 vs XOne? Where is your proof that game play is different on the multiplats do to the power differences?

You have none El Tormented. All you have is a 5 year old thread.

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#78  Edited By 360ru13r
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I'm mad that we all responded to this topic including myself. TC welcome to the next generation of consoles where everyday feels like a disappointment.

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#79 GarGx1
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@tormentos said:
@GarGx1 said:

Even first party PlayStation developers make compromises, just how many games on the PS4 are running at 1080p and 60fps (let alone more) and Ultra settings? Oh that's right, not a single one. Hell there aren't any PS4 games that run on Ultra equivalent and by far the majority are 30 fps. You call that powerful? All gen 8 consoles are weak in comparison to modern hardware.

I game on max settings at 1440p and 60fps to 144fps on all games and I'm still well short of the maximum power of some PC's.

Thread about the xbox one brings PC to downplay the PS4 and justify the xbox one lack of power.

Consoles compete with consoles not PC,they are 2 different markets and ALWAYS will be,on PC you can go the extra mile which is great but is not the same marquet and don't compete with each other.

Fact is people would pick whichever console they seem is right for them even if it is the weakest like the wii proved last gen.

Of course consoles and PC compete for the gaming market. I'm an avid upgrade junky but IF the consoles were more powerful and multi-platform games ran better on consoles than on PC, I would buy a console without a second thought.

Modern gaming = multi-platform, anything with the same games available to them are competing with the others. Of course the enormous amount of exclusives from all kinds of genres and the "console" exclusives available on PC are nice too.

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#80  Edited By GarGx1
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@acp_45: I've never had an alt account either.

The idea of needing to have me to back up me is really very, very sad and I'm not a big enough troll to need one to fight my battles.

@kingtito Oh there are far worse than @tormentos. He may be a little delusional at times but at least he tries to be honest about it. Some of the trolls on here are just plain rabid.

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#81 Mr_Huggles_dog
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I like it less for it's more power....and more for it's better exclusives.

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#82  Edited By Snugenz
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@mr_huggles_dog said:

I like it less for it's more power....and more for it's better exclusives.

Like?

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#83 Pray_to_me
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@Wickerman777 said:
@Pray_to_me said:

Filthy Rat Lemmings know that their ghetto console is bum juice and it rocks them to their very core. Gaylo 5 is looking like another dud too. Microsoft needs to get back to making spreadsheets and get the **** out of the console business. lol!

Actually many "lemmings" know that X1's hardware is shit. The amusing part is that so many Sony loyalists fail to recognize that their console's hardware sucks only slightly less. Y'all make out like one is a turd and the other is gold. Nope, they're both turds. PS4 may be a somewhat more firm, less repugnant turd but it's a turd nonetheless.

PS4 hardware sucks compared to what? Some sweaty neckbeard nerdrig? Or are you going to tell me all about how I can assemble my own nasty loud dirtbag desktop with no os and no controller for only like 500 bucks right? Who gives a **** about PC we're talking about consoles, and as far as consoles go PS4 shits on Xbox. All you MS cockboys, always quick to bring up your shitty PC when you want to defend your precious Xbone. You dump all this cash for that trash then you go play WoW and Counterstrike LOL!

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#84 Mr_Huggles_dog
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@Snugenz said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:

I like it less for it's more power....and more for it's better exclusives.

Like?

All of them.

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#85  Edited By deactivated-5b0367b217732
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@Pray_to_me said:

I can assemble my own nasty loud dirtbag desktop with no os and no controller for only like 500 bucks right?

Dude, just buy a Windows key on Kinguin for like 10 bucks. When they say software is cheap on PC, they're not just talking about games. Get with the times already.

As for the controller, don't forget that you can pick from dozens of different options. You can use a 360 one, a Dualshock, Xbox One, a Logitech, a Mad Catz, a Razer... you can even use a USB NES/SNES controller.

You can mix and match, connect the ones you/your friends prefer and play that way. And you can switch to mouse & keyboard at any time.

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#86 Snugenz
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@mr_huggles_dog said:
@Snugenz said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:

I like it less for it's more power....and more for it's better exclusives.

Like?

All of them.

Sounds like you prefer them because of the platform they're on... sad.

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#87 GreySeal9
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@Snugenz said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:
@Snugenz said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:

I like it less for it's more power....and more for it's better exclusives.

Like?

All of them.

Sounds like you prefer them because of the platform they're on... sad.

Nah, he prefers them because Knack, Driveclub, and The Order are just that damn good.

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#88 tormentos
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@kingtito said:

You posted a source to a 5 year old thread talking about the 360. How is the hell does that have anything to do with the PS4 vs XOne? Where is your proof that game play is different on the multiplats do to the power differences?

You have none El Tormented. All you have is a 5 year old thread.

I posted a source talking about COD black ops 3 idiot which hasn't even release....hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

The combination of the two isn't great news for Xbox One though. Compared to the native 1080p PS4 version, buildings, foliage and distant objects appear considerably less defined with subtle normal map and texture details smudged over. This reduction in clarity also makes it harder to spot other players that are far away, particularly when they are crouched behind vehicles or lying prone within similarly coloured scenery. Obviously, moving targets are easier to see, but stationary enemies tend to blur into the surrounding environment somewhat.

You can't read for shit...Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Confirmed you are a joke................hahahahaaaaaa

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#89 tormentos
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@GarGx1 said:

Of course consoles and PC compete for the gaming market. I'm an avid upgrade junky but IF the consoles were more powerful and multi-platform games ran better on consoles than on PC, I would buy a console without a second thought.

Modern gaming = multi-platform, anything with the same games available to them are competing with the others. Of course the enormous amount of exclusives from all kinds of genres and the "console" exclusives available on PC are nice too.

That is a contradiction,consoles will never be more powerful than PC,even the 360 which was powerful would not beat a 7800GTX in SLI,so while the 360 could beat 1 7800GTX it could not beat 2,and by next year it had a horde of GPU more powerful hell the 7900GTX ran Oblivion at higher resolution than the 360 which even with all an its power was sub 720p already a few months from launch.

Consoles are never going to beat PC,even if the had a 390X or a Titan on PC you can use several.

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#90 DammitDanbo
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@tormentos: you look just as dumb as they do, you do it more than they do. Seeing the way other people respond to you I'm not the only one that feels that way.

Abd for the record,,I think anyone on either "side" (God that's stupid) acting like that is just pathetic. Y'all talk more about graphics (lol console players worried about graphics) than what actually matters, gameplay.

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#91 kingtito
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@tormentos said:
@kingtito said:

You posted a source to a 5 year old thread talking about the 360. How is the hell does that have anything to do with the PS4 vs XOne? Where is your proof that game play is different on the multiplats do to the power differences?

You have none El Tormented. All you have is a 5 year old thread.

I posted a source talking about COD black ops 3 idiot which hasn't even release....hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

The combination of the two isn't great news for Xbox One though. Compared to the native 1080p PS4 version, buildings, foliage and distant objects appear considerably less defined with subtle normal map and texture details smudged over. This reduction in clarity also makes it harder to spot other players that are far away, particularly when they are crouched behind vehicles or lying prone within similarly coloured scenery. Obviously, moving targets are easier to see, but stationary enemies tend to blur into the surrounding environment somewhat.

You can't read for shit...Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Confirmed you are a joke................hahahahaaaaaa

Sooooooo once again you've failed to prove anything other than you're a massive blind cow. None of that alters gameplay or effects it in anyway. Have you played it? Have you played ANY game that proves your point? No, you don't play games loser, you play graphics and sales.

So once again prove me wrong. Show me a multiplat that has different gameplay due to the power differences between the Xone and PS4. No, "slightly harder to see" doesn't alter gameplay.

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#92 GarGx1
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@tormentos said:
@GarGx1 said:

Of course consoles and PC compete for the gaming market. I'm an avid upgrade junky but IF the consoles were more powerful and multi-platform games ran better on consoles than on PC, I would buy a console without a second thought.

Modern gaming = multi-platform, anything with the same games available to them are competing with the others. Of course the enormous amount of exclusives from all kinds of genres and the "console" exclusives available on PC are nice too.

That is a contradiction,consoles will never be more powerful than PC,even the 360 which was powerful would not beat a 7800GTX in SLI,so while the 360 could beat 1 7800GTX it could not beat 2,and by next year it had a horde of GPU more powerful hell the 7900GTX ran Oblivion at higher resolution than the 360 which even with all an its power was sub 720p already a few months from launch.

Consoles are never going to beat PC,even if the had a 390X or a Titan on PC you can use several.

Just because PC brings masses of options that increase power way beyond the reach of a console, doesn't mean that they shouldn't be comparable or even better at the start of a generation, at least with non god like rigs. It is the reason I bought an Xbox 360 and not a PS3 and is also the reason I bought a Geforce 8800 GT as soon as they were available. (i.e. So as I could play multi-plats at least as well as the 360).

That's direct competition and even with today's consoles, people still make the decision whether to go PS4, Xbox One or PC (I guess Wii U is in there somewhere as well) for their gaming requirements.

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You have over 1000 post and that's the best you can do? Telling people to buy a Ps4 cause it has better graphics? If graphics meant so much to you then tell people to buy a PC, no console can beat that.

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#94 tormentos
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@kingtito said:

Sooooooo once again you've failed to prove anything other than you're a massive blind cow. None of that alters gameplay or effects it in anyway. Have you played it? Have you played ANY game that proves your point? No, you don't play games loser, you play graphics and sales.

So once again prove me wrong. Show me a multiplat that has different gameplay due to the power differences between the Xone and PS4. No, "slightly harder to see" doesn't alter gameplay.

This reduction in clarity also makes it harder to spot other players that are far away, particularly when they are crouched behind vehicles or lying prone within similarly coloured scenery.

The only one who doesn't play games here is you fakeboy,and worse you can't read for shit,how is not being able to see your opponents from a far distance not a gameplay breaker.?

If you can't spot players far because of the reduction of clarity how is not that a problem,even more considering is not an issue on PS4...hahahahaaa

@dammitdanbo said:

@tormentos: you look just as dumb as they do, you do it more than they do. Seeing the way other people respond to you I'm not the only one that feels that way.

Abd for the record,,I think anyone on either "side" (God that's stupid) acting like that is just pathetic. Y'all talk more about graphics (lol console players worried about graphics) than what actually matters, gameplay.

The problem is you single me out that is call hypocrisy,seeing the way other people respond to me say shit maybe you should see how others respond to them,in other words stop being a HYPOCRITE.

Second the whole lol console gamer talking about graphics doesn't make you a hermit and certainly you seen anal about my arguments about the xbox one..lol

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@Pray_to_me said:
@Wickerman777 said:
@Pray_to_me said:

Filthy Rat Lemmings know that their ghetto console is bum juice and it rocks them to their very core. Gaylo 5 is looking like another dud too. Microsoft needs to get back to making spreadsheets and get the **** out of the console business. lol!

Actually many "lemmings" know that X1's hardware is shit. The amusing part is that so many Sony loyalists fail to recognize that their console's hardware sucks only slightly less. Y'all make out like one is a turd and the other is gold. Nope, they're both turds. PS4 may be a somewhat more firm, less repugnant turd but it's a turd nonetheless.

PS4 hardware sucks compared to what? Some sweaty neckbeard nerdrig? Or are you going to tell me all about how I can assemble my own nasty loud dirtbag desktop with no os and no controller for only like 500 bucks right? Who gives a **** about PC we're talking about consoles, and as far as consoles go PS4 shits on Xbox. All you MS cockboys, always quick to bring up your shitty PC when you want to defend your precious Xbone. You dump all this cash for that trash then you go play WoW and Counterstrike LOL!

I've never owned a gaming PC in my life. It's weak, both of them are.

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#96 kingtito
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@tormentos said:
@kingtito said:

Sooooooo once again you've failed to prove anything other than you're a massive blind cow. None of that alters gameplay or effects it in anyway. Have you played it? Have you played ANY game that proves your point? No, you don't play games loser, you play graphics and sales.

So once again prove me wrong. Show me a multiplat that has different gameplay due to the power differences between the Xone and PS4. No, "slightly harder to see" doesn't alter gameplay.

This reduction in clarity also makes it harder to spot other players that are far away, particularly when they are crouched behind vehicles or lying prone within similarly coloured scenery.

The only one who doesn't play games here is you fakeboy,and worse you can't read for shit,how is not being able to see your opponents from a far distance not a gameplay breaker.?

If you can't spot players far because of the reduction of clarity how is not that a problem,even more considering is not an issue on PS4...hahahahaaa

Hahaha you're the one that talks all PS4 yet didn't own one for a while. Now you're calling me a fakeboy because I think you're an idiot that doesn't play the games you talk about?

Harder to see =/= can't see idiot. No where in that article or what you've quoted said you can't see. They said it could be harder to spot which doesn't change anything as far as gameplay moron. And once again this is a game you HAVEN'T played and are using this as proof. A game that isn't even out yet. Hahaha you're so pathetic El Tormented. Still the laughing stock of SWs, always have been and always will be.

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#97  Edited By DammitDanbo
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@tormentos: first, learn a bit of grammar, even as short hand that is God awful to read. You are either punching the keyboard in anger or you just lack the ability.

Second, learn what hypocrite means because you're not even close.

I actually prefer consoles, it has nothing to do with what side (again that is just stupid) your on, it has to do with the stupid old argument you idiots do everyday. I said *anyone* that acts like you, you being the worst offender, is pathetic. I just find it funny when console gamers are talking about graphics and bragging about having 2 more leaves. If graphics were a concern, you would pc, period.

Quit being the problem with today's gaming community, have meanfuo debates about games and gameplay, not pixels. You all look stupid.

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#98 deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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@Bigboi500 said:
@Salt_The_Fries said:

Because this:

You win the internets.

Hahaha too funy and very point on assesstment.

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#99 Mr_Huggles_dog
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@Snugenz said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:
@Snugenz said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:

I like it less for it's more power....and more for it's better exclusives.

Like?

All of them.

Sounds like you prefer them because of the platform they're on... sad.

Maybe.

Or maybe your "Like?" post was a bit ridiculous considering everyone has different taste.

Maybe you need to get a new hobby and just leave me alone.

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@Salt_The_Fries said:

Because this:

And then you have reality, where people don't just see compressed cutouts of faces,

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher-3-5.jpg

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher-3-4.jpg