Why the Xbox will Lose to PS3(evidence backing up my claims)

Ok, this may be a long speal, so grab a coke and siddown.

  Ok i have a few reasons(with the evidence promised;))

 Reason #1: Disc Space

  Now, what type of disc does the 360 use? Dvd. What type of disc does the Ps3 use? Blu-ray. I'm sure your all familiar with these disc formats, but for those who aren't, standard DvD's hold 9GB, whereas Blu-Ray holds 50GB. Now in doing the math it's easy to see that Blu-Ray holds over 5x that of a standard Dvd. That's a helluva lot of space, and your probably saying "who's gonna use that much space, Dev.'s barley use the 9GB's of dvd space!" Well, next Gen Games will! Let's just say that a dev. is using half the space of a blu-ray disc. That's 30GB, if they were to try to port that it'd need at the very least, with some downgrading, 3 discs! That may seem like no bigge, right? WRONG! This will cause dev.'s to put out 3x as much (money) as usualy per disc! When games come to use up to the full capacity of the Blu-ray's that'll be 6 discs per game! Now, if i was a dev. this would seriously discourage me from porting as many games as are now, or even taking a "system seller" to a different system(that is, unless it was coming from microsoft's dev. team).

  Reason #2:Raw Power

  Now, in this gen the Raw power is much more even than in last gen, with sony having the slight edge. Now, i know raw power doesn't matter since it's so close but consider this: Your flying through space, and you are going through am asteroid field. As you come up and dodge a meteor you can see all he rocks and matter on it. Now if this scene was detailed enough you'd be pushing all the system's power. Say you didn't have enough power to push? Framerate drops, wierd features popping into view at random. Not very fun anymore?

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125087/index.html?type=tech courtsey of GS staff. Scroll to bottom for power comparison

  Reason #3:Sony's seniority

   Sony's fanbase is much larger than microsofts(gaming) fanbase, pushing the consumers in their direction. They also have been in with 3 gen's, whereas microsoft was a late addition to last gen. This may not have a big effect, but if it becomes close in the end(which i do not forsee;)) this could have an effect.

          Now, i know i may be opening Pandora's box here, so no flaming please.

*****THIS IS MY BELIEF******(jeez)***

edit(by popular demand i suppose): xbox lost(in sales) because it was a late joiner^^^read between the lines

ok by your logic:

Xbox should have outsold Ps2.

i win

/threadRob2223

good point 

ok by your logic:

Xbox should have outsold Ps2.

i win

/threadRob2223

Ok, this may be a long speal, so grab a coke and siddown.

  Ok i have a few reasons(with the evidence promised;))

 Reason #1: Disc Space

  Now, what type of disc does the 360 use? Dvd. What type of disc does the Ps3 use? Blu-ray. I'm sure your all familiar with these disc formats, but for those who aren't, standard DvD's hold 9GB, whereas Blu-Ray holds 60GB. Now in doing the math it's easy to see that Blu-Ray holds over 6x that of a standard Dvd. That's a helluva lot of space, and your probably saying "who's gonna use that much space, Dev.'s barley use the 9GB's of dvd space!" Well, next Gen Games will! Let's just say that a dev. is using half the space of a blu-ray disc. That's 30GB, if they were to try to port that it'd need at the very least, with some downgrading, 3 discs! That may seem like no bigge, right? WRONG! This will cause dev.'s to put out 3x as much (money) as usualy per disc! When games come to use up to the full capacity of the Blu-ray's that'll be 6 discs per game! Now, if i was a dev. this would seriously discourage me from porting as many games as are now, or even taking a "system seller" to a different system(that is, unless it was coming from microsoft's dev. team).

 

  Reason #2:Raw Power

  Now, in this gen the Raw power is much more even than in last gen, with sony having the slight edge. Now, i know raw power doesn't matter since it's so close but consider this: Your flying through space, and you are going through am asteroid field. As you come up and dodge a meteor you can see all he rocks and matter on it. Now if this scene was detailed enough you'd be pushing all the system's power. Say you didn't have enough power to push? Framerate drops, wierd features popping into view at random. Not very fun anymore?

 

  Reason #3:Sony's seniority

   Sony's fanbase is much larger than microsofts(gaming) fanbase, pushing the consumers in their direction. They also have been in with 3 gen's, whereas microsoft was a late addition to last gen. This may not have a big effect, but if it becomes close in the end(which i do not forsee;)) this could have an effect.

 

          Now, i know i may be opening Pandora's box here, so no flaming please.

Raziel1144

If you posted this 6 months ago, it would've been more interesting.

[QUOTE="Rob2223"]ok by your logic:

Xbox should have outsold Ps2.

i win

/threadRaziel1144

BR holds 50Gigs not 60Gigs :? 

[QUOTE="Rob2223"]ok by your logic:

Xbox should have outsold Ps2.

i win

/threadRaziel1144

Which is why the Xbox did so well against the PS2...oh, woops.Verge_6

indeed.

PS2 Sold: 115 million units

XBOX Sold: 24 million units

In other words, TC got owned.

Reason #1: the increased disc space also meant an increase in price, pushing consumers the other way.

Reason #2: If this mattered, the xbox would have won.

Reason #3: Yeah, you're probably on to something here.  

your first reason is bollocks because so far, no devs seem to have a problem with porting ps3 games.

AC, Virtual Fighter, Devil may cry, etc etc

after that i stopped reading.  

your first reason is bollocks because so far, no devs seem to have a problem with porting ps3 games.

AC, Virtual Fighter, Devil may cry, etc etc

after that i stopped reading.  

JPOBS

your first reason is bollocks because so far, no devs seem to have a problem with porting ps3 games.

AC, Virtual Fighter, Devil may cry, etc etc

after that i stopped reading.  

JPOBS

The PS3 isn't going to do well. It was doomed from the start with it's outrageous price.

The PS3 isn't going to do well. It was doomed from the start with it's outrageous price.

Neal_Gore

:lol: your sig 

The PS3 isn't going to do well. It was doomed from the start with it's outrageous price.

Neal_Gore

PS3 will close the gap as its lifespan increases and it library begins to grow....  They have alot of first/second party companies working for them and those games will remain exclusive and draw previous generations of PS owners that havn't gone next gen just yet. 

I'll tell you one thing sony is spending some money well investing in commercials and prime airtimes to compete with wii's infectious advertising campaign.  Once PS2's lifespan 'ends' many will begin to jump ship, and thats why the sales race is really too early to define a winner.

PS3 will close the gap as its lifespan increases and it library begins to grow....  They have alot of first/second party companies working for them and those games will remain exclusive and draw previous generations of PS owners that havn't gone next gen just yet. 

I'll tell you one thing sony is spending some money well investing in commercials and prime airtimes to compete with wii's infectious advertising campaign.  Once PS2's lifespan 'ends' many will begin to jump ship, and thats why the sales race is really too early to define a winner.

lazurusKfP

:shock:[QUOTE="Neal_Gore"]

The PS3 isn't going to do well. It was doomed from the start with it's outrageous price.

Raziel1144

Well, I think there were a couple mistakes with your argument.

A single BR disc holds 25GB (IIRC), while a double-layered BR disc holds 50GB.  I'm pretty sure there is no triple layer disc yet...

A single DVD disc holds 9GB, while a double-layered DVD holds 25GB.  A triple layered DVD holds 51GB (Toshiba came out with it earlier this year).

The PS3 can have more powerful specs arguably, but the 360 has more power arguably also.

The PS3 has a more powerful CPU, with a weaker GPU than the 360's.  The Cell is powerful, however it's extremely inefficient to program for (I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the cache...I don't understand all the details of this technical stuff...but there have been topics about it before, so you might want to try searching for them.)

Sony does have a larger fanbase than Microsoft in the game console business though, you definately nailed that...


Saturos3091

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Well, I think there were a couple mistakes with your argument.

A single BR disc holds 25GB (IIRC), while a double-layered BR disc holds 50GB.  I'm pretty sure there is no triple layer disc yet...

A single DVD disc holds 9GB, while a double-layered DVD holds 25GB.  A triple layered DVD holds 51GB (Toshiba came out with it earlier this year).

The PS3 can have more powerful specs arguably, but the 360 has more power arguably also.

The PS3 has a more powerful CPU, with a weaker GPU than the 360's.  The Cell is powerful, however it's extremely inefficient to program for (I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the cache...I don't understand all the details of this technical stuff...but there have been topics about it before, so you might want to try searching for them.)

Sony does have a larger fanbase than Microsoft in the game console business though, you definately nailed that...


hello12367890

Disc space really is a non-issue. All blu-ray promotes is uncompressed games that don't really affect the overall quality. Uncompressed audio can fill up a blu-ray disc faster than you can say pete.Vandalvideo

And I know you aware that Uncompress audio sounds 10x better than compress. 

This gen is going to boil down to 3 simple things..

1. Price. The cheapest bag for your buck..

2. Games.  The best all around experience with your software..

3. Marketing.  Which company can market it's product better for the consumers...

Being able to create a list doesn't mean it will happen.

Ok simple facts and numbers here

The PS3 is 6-7 million consoles behind the 360 right now. The PS3 will have to OUTSELL the 360 by 250,000 units per month each and every month to break even with the 360 by mid 2009 which will be nearing the end of this generation.

Simple numbers show us that the PS3 can't even sell 250,000 units by itself a month let alone OUTSELL the 360 by 250,000 units a month. With an expected price cut for the 360 this fall and Halo3 coming out there is no way for the PS3 to outsell the 360 during a price cut Halo 3 relase timeframe.

The PS3 may have only been out for 6 months but this generation started in Nov. 05 and the PS3 is in a deep hole it cannot get out of.

Sony's market hold? Teh blu ray? TEH CELL?

I havn't heard this argument before........ :roll: 

This gen is going to boil down to 3 simple things..

1. Price. The cheapest bag for your buck..

2. Games. The best all around experience with your software..

3. Marketing. Which company can market it's product better for the consumers...

 

OhSnapitz

Sony's doing all of those things right, aren't they?

Aren't they?

???

Now I think about it.....maybe the baby represents the fanboys crying when they come to realise what the PS3 is really like...... 

Of course it will, however the next Xbox will be out by then (3-4 years from now).

[QUOTE="Raziel1144"][QUOTE="Rob2223"]ok by your logic:

Xbox should have outsold Ps2.

i win

/threadRob2223

Reminds of the threads back then. "Xbox is teh powerful!!", lol

  Reason #2:Raw Power

  Now, in this gen the Raw power is much more even than in last gen, with sony having the slight edge. Now, i know raw power doesn't matter since it's so close but consider this: Your flying through space, and you are going through am asteroid field. As you come up and dodge a meteor you can see all he rocks and matter on it. Now if this scene was detailed enough you'd be pushing all the system's power. Say you didn't have enough power to push? Framerate drops, wierd features popping into view at random. Not very fun anymore?

Raziel1144

Where does everyone come out with PS3 having a "slight edge" in graphics over 360?  All I've seen is hype on what the PS3 is SUPPOSED to do, yet no developer has been able to produce a multi platform game shows that slight edge of raw power.  On the contrary its the 360 that has been killing the PS3 both on framrates (FEAR,COD3, Splinter Cell, and others) and textures (maybe not as much).

Ok ok, devs claim the PS3 is more powerful, ok cool, but instead of talking all this $h!t, SHOW ME THE POWA!  Out of the box the first Xbox was more powerful than the PS2.  Shouldnt it be the same with the PS3 over the 360?  Or are we gonna keep talking about how powerful it can be, how much potential it has.

Until I see the power of teh PS3 with a released title not a bunch of screenshots then I'll believe it, so far

360>PS3  and its getting tougher to beat.

Well, I think there were a couple mistakes with your argument.

A single BR disc holds 25GB (IIRC), while a double-layered BR disc holds 50GB.  I'm pretty sure there is no triple layer disc yet...

A single DVD disc holds 9GB, while a double-layered DVD holds 25GB.  A triple layered DVD holds 51GB (Toshiba came out with it earlier this year).

The PS3 can have more powerful specs arguably, but the 360 has more power arguably also.

The PS3 has a more powerful CPU, with a weaker GPU than the 360's.  The Cell is powerful, however it's extremely inefficient to program for (I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the cache...I don't understand all the details of this technical stuff...but there have been topics about it before, so you might want to try searching for them.)

Sony does have a larger fanbase than Microsoft in the game console business though, you definately nailed that...


Saturos3091

you forgot about the 200 gig blu ray disc :/

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Well, I think there were a couple mistakes with your argument.

A single BR disc holds 25GB (IIRC), while a double-layered BR disc holds 50GB.  I'm pretty sure there is no triple layer disc yet...

A single DVD disc holds 9GB, while a double-layered DVD holds 25GB.  A triple layered DVD holds 51GB (Toshiba came out with it earlier this year).

The PS3 can have more powerful specs arguably, but the 360 has more power arguably also.

The PS3 has a more powerful CPU, with a weaker GPU than the 360's.  The Cell is powerful, however it's extremely inefficient to program for (I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the cache...I don't understand all the details of this technical stuff...but there have been topics about it before, so you might want to try searching for them.)

Sony does have a larger fanbase than Microsoft in the game console business though, you definately nailed that...


e20Dylan

you forgot about the 200 gig blu ray disc :/

[QUOTE="e20Dylan"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Well, I think there were a couple mistakes with your argument.

A single BR disc holds 25GB (IIRC), while a double-layered BR disc holds 50GB.  I'm pretty sure there is no triple layer disc yet...

A single DVD disc holds 9GB, while a double-layered DVD holds 25GB.  A triple layered DVD holds 51GB (Toshiba came out with it earlier this year).

The PS3 can have more powerful specs arguably, but the 360 has more power arguably also.

The PS3 has a more powerful CPU, with a weaker GPU than the 360's.  The Cell is powerful, however it's extremely inefficient to program for (I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the cache...I don't understand all the details of this technical stuff...but there have been topics about it before, so you might want to try searching for them.)

Sony does have a larger fanbase than Microsoft in the game console business though, you definately nailed that...


HuusAsking

you forgot about the 200 gig blu ray disc :/

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="e20Dylan"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Well, I think there were a couple mistakes with your argument.

A single BR disc holds 25GB (IIRC), while a double-layered BR disc holds 50GB.  I'm pretty sure there is no triple layer disc yet...

A single DVD disc holds 9GB, while a double-layered DVD holds 25GB.  A triple layered DVD holds 51GB (Toshiba came out with it earlier this year).

The PS3 can have more powerful specs arguably, but the 360 has more power arguably also.

The PS3 has a more powerful CPU, with a weaker GPU than the 360's.  The Cell is powerful, however it's extremely inefficient to program for (I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the cache...I don't understand all the details of this technical stuff...but there have been topics about it before, so you might want to try searching for them.)

Sony does have a larger fanbase than Microsoft in the game console business though, you definately nailed that...


Raziel1144

you forgot about the 200 gig blu ray disc :/

[QUOTE="hello12367890"][QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Well, I think there were a couple mistakes with your argument.

A single BR disc holds 25GB (IIRC), while a double-layered BR disc holds 50GB.  I'm pretty sure there is no triple layer disc yet...

A single DVD disc holds 9GB, while a double-layered DVD holds 25GB.  A triple layered DVD holds 51GB (Toshiba came out with it earlier this year).

The PS3 can have more powerful specs arguably, but the 360 has more power arguably also.

The PS3 has a more powerful CPU, with a weaker GPU than the 360's.  The Cell is powerful, however it's extremely inefficient to program for (I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the cache...I don't understand all the details of this technical stuff...but there have been topics about it before, so you might want to try searching for them.)

Sony does have a larger fanbase than Microsoft in the game console business though, you definately nailed that...


Raziel1144

That was then, this is now.Raziel1144

 Exactly! Right NOW, the PS3 is getting DDT'd by the 360 and Wii.